Guild Wars 2

I have really enjoyed this match, frustrating, and intense and fun at the same time.

One complaint/bad sport thing I have been seeing a lot of recently that I would like to see stop is siege on edge of spawn points. Its cheap and in poor taste. I am not going to blame a server because it is just one or two groups but setting up siege where you can just dodge back and be inv is stupid. It is not intended and we all know that. Winning that way kind of makes you a loser, and you know who you are. Had to clear it out 4 times this match so far. And no it wasn’t a response to spawn camping which I gladly have not really seen on any side so far.

salluks.6017:

kanikani.2430:

I would like to address the money/gold side of things. People claim that they do not do WvW because the rewards are not decent enough. I level up a char strictly through WvW and at this point have about 25 goldish made. That seems plenty of me, I am never broke or out of money there. My question would be why are people farming money? For legendaries? Most of them are dumb or ugly, I cant seriously think that is the reason.

So people are supposed to farm Orr, so what they can get better gear and thus be better at farming Orr? I dont see the point, maybe its me, I tend to play games for fun. But yeah plenty of money to be made in WvW, I assure you much more then dumb events, now those are a time/money sink. Candy corn is worth how much now?

But yes the devs lack of improvement or acknowledgement of WvW is a major problem. But I doubt that most players know about this. If they minority plays WvW, only the extreme minority is on these forums.

Its obvious that u have never bought a single seige or upgraded a single camp.if u tell otherwise.then we know your making up the story. In which case i feel bad for the server you play on.

Wvw is the biggest goldsink in gw2 whether people choose yo acceptit or not.

I have spent 10 gold or so on siege/upgrades so far, nice try but have to try again. Ask my guild/server.

You can get 8 siege a day from jumping puzzles especially with a port it takes very little time. So on a slow week thats 56 siege. with a guild of 100, thats 560 siege. Now lets add getting 30 badges a day from jumping puzzles and another 30 from kills thats 60 badges or 10 rams is it? So no it doesnt all have to be a money sink. And drops have gotten better, got an exotic last night.

The biggest money/time sink are skins and ledg weps in the game really. Lets spend 100’s of hours dressing up our little digital dolls so we can parade around Lions Arch where no one notices.

I would like to address the money/gold side of things. People claim that they do not do WvW because the rewards are not decent enough. I level up a char strictly through WvW and at this point have about 25 goldish made. That seems plenty of me, I am never broke or out of money there. My question would be why are people farming money? For legendaries? Most of them are dumb or ugly, I cant seriously think that is the reason.

So people are supposed to farm Orr, so what they can get better gear and thus be better at farming Orr? I dont see the point, maybe its me, I tend to play games for fun. But yeah plenty of money to be made in WvW, I assure you much more then dumb events, now those are a time/money sink. Candy corn is worth how much now?

But yes the devs lack of improvement or acknowledgement of WvW is a major problem. But I doubt that most players know about this. If they minority plays WvW, only the extreme minority is on these forums.

I wish they would just roll this game back to when it first released, ran and played so much better. I dont know what they did but they screwed it up for sure.

While I know most people PvE, I cant honestly think there are more people doing the fractals junk or other dungeons then WvW. Or even sPvP, the number do not go over WvW but they put much more time into these areas.

I agree they have put little to no effort on WvW so far, and no comments to say that they will. I really enjoy it but I expect nothing from the Devs at this point.

Nut.4713:

Okay okay, I’ll just say it since everyone else wants to just blow smoke up everyone’s kittens. This week is horrible so far, all you posting “great match” and all that bs, is this your first time in WvW? The maps are empty, combat is nearly impossible to find. Each server holds their borderland in its entirety and EB is divided in thirds with few incursions. None of which is surprising since there are maybe 20 people on a map.

I hate PvE patches, ruin my fun.

I agree Nut I hate PvE events/patch/whatever.

But if you cannot find a fight this week your doing something wrong, seriously you will see some really dead weeks compared to this. Last week there were like 5 enemies per map sometimes. I will say though I haven’t been seeing as many Yaks. Their numbers have seemed to drop some.

A couple of weeks of not being able to log in, and finally can, thank you very much OP. No more black screen on login. Sticky this thread. And Anet should pay the OP for this seriously doing their job.

The ‘stupid’ Lost Shores expansion has seem to effected this round. Seems FA vs. TC seems to have bad luck, with holiday events. Anyways I dont think any server had a Q for friday night. First 30 min FA BL had the outmanned buff, that is the first I have ever seen that.

I got to say though I really dont know why, last night was a blast, one of the best I spent in WvW so far, way better then any ‘world’ event given. People not in there are missing out.

If only they spent as much time on WvW as these dumb events imagine what it could be.

Anyways, really enjoying it, keep up the match all. Instead of all bickering lets be happy none of us are having a dead week with no resistance.

I don’t really have a problem with corpse scouting. I would rather have a guy dead ‘scouting’ then coming back and taking the keep. In fact I would say there are very few instances where this is actually really helpful. But more of then not its a waste of man power.

I think 1 badge per kill would work out pretty well actually.

I also find it sad/weird that I get more badges on average from the jumping puzzles in WvW then from actually fighting/killing people. Think its 10 from EB, then like 6 from each BL, so 28 a day potentially.

This week has been a great example of why orbs needed to be altered/removed. Finally a real fight from start to finish, and finally a week I wouldn’t call a snowballing.

And thank you for the 60+badges last night Yak’s.

Nice to see Yaks is being good sports all the way through like you bragged about.

BTW, is it ironic to whine about whining?

I wanted to post this to the person who was firing cannons on the cross server costume battle, you sir are a Jerk.

Pooka.3420:

Whats being lost on everyone is ET doubled it weekly total in 24 hours!

Go ET!

Yeah I have been seeing a lot more ET, and seeing red on the map again. Keep it up guys glad to see you out there.

At low level, manning siege is really where its at. During a major siege you can get quite a few kills (say 20 plus) and some decent loot, on top of the event of defending.

But to be helpful at lower level, run supplies, can scout, kill yaks, defend, man siege (trebs, mortars, cats are all good for this since usually no direct contact), help repair and build, watch the back while everyone auto attacks the gate.

And I have leveled a Ele mostly in WvW. Just be prepared to die often, just what Ele is about, especially at low levels. If repairs get to be to much, just go nude.

I had the idea, what about a ‘fog of war’ kind of mechanic. If you control a tower or sentry that generates some sort of fog so it does not reveal on the map the swords or supply yaks walking through. This would also give more of an importance to towers or sentries aside from points. It could also generate some different tactical plays involving the mechanics. Just an idea.

@Munki, I totally agree, and even would go so far as to say EVERY server, be it big or small has some very talented people out there its very nice to see. That is what keeps me coming back to WvW. And I think we should all recognize that WvW has a lot of problems/constraints at this point and ‘points’ or ‘winning’ or ‘dominating’ are largely not due to skill but due to other things, and I would love to see this change.

When numbers, money, hacks, exploits, time coverage, etc. stop causing such a major difference then we can have some real competition which I look forward to. At this point I don’t think any server has the right to say they are better or worse then the other because of all of these things, largely a servers position is circumstantial at this point by having more or less of that list above. And most people, including myself who are complaining are complaining about that list above, and frustrated that their time or money was lost due to those things which have nothing to do with their skill (or team or guild or even server) whatsoever.

Munki post was erased for some reason, but whatever was back at you anyways Munki. (wasn’t an offensive post).

FA was cleaning up maps last couple of nights actually if it started like this we would be winning.

Not because we have more numbers (that sounds like a Yak’s excuse or whining), but because we have superior tactics and teamwork/communication. If anything Yak had twice the size zerg as us.

You see what I did there? Sounds exactly like what what some people on Yak’s were saying at the start of the reset. Sounds pretty arrogant and patronizing doesn’t it? And then why do people not like us? Hmmmm, I wonder.

PS – Some Yak’s are very good players, the statement above is to make a point, I don’t really think your inferior.

I think its important to point out that most complaints on this or other server related threads are mainly about game mechanic issues. We all know about the many issues and it still frustrates everyone involved.

I do take Anet removing orbs as a sign they will be or are currently addressing the current game play mechanic issues. Its just hard to have patience when hard fought battles or work is diminished because of them.

Lets not go down the hacking/closing the thread route again. It happens on all servers I personally witnessed exploits/hacks on three occasions on Friday night by Yak players.

No server can control all of their players, none of the decent guilds will keep a hacker on any servers or condone it at all. No one I have ever talked to in game or out of game condones this.

At this point these issues are Anets problem to deal with, anyone who witnesses it please report the players, no one on any side wants to have these people around win or lose.

I don’t want to down any of your Yak’s Bend people, some of you are really good.

But…5 v 30 fights and telling me its same population, I call total BS, come on. And to call that amazing team work is a bit silly as well. This is a numbers game. You got the numbers, dont try and say you are the server with the most amazing guilds or players is why your winning.

FA won last week with some great battles, but the prime reason we won is because we had more players. That is the way WvW is at this point. Scores reflect population and that is just the way it is unfortunetly.

And that is why ET is getting trounced this time, not because the players have less teamwork or skill or whatever, they just don’t have the numbers. And as well all know by the point in time things will get even more pronounced as the week goes on.

And saying you could learn from our great whatever is patronizing.

As far as population goes, I have played many different times of day, luckily my employment lets me do that. Anyways have been on FA since the start and I only ever experience wait times to get into WvW for the first few hours after reset on Friday, then never again. This is consistent if we are losing or winning (though worse when losing).

In fact originally I picked FA because it was a low population server. I would have to say we do very well for that fact.

On a side note, I do appreciate that they are addressing the WvW issues, such as orbs and transfers. But they continue to treat it as if it were a side ‘thing to do’ and as it stands that is all it is.

Many of us really enjoy it here and take it very seriously, but we are the vast minority. I heard a comment in lions arch the other day that there were more people playing around the ‘dead whales’ then there were defending any keep in WvW and that is probably true for all servers (sometimes the whole map for some servers).

I wish there was some prompt to get more people to try WvW because I never was interested in it until I tried it for myself.

Anyways enjoy the match ups, I do appreciate that Yak’s Bend has let me get my daily kill count from the comfort of my treb, without all the cumbersome running around.

I just wanted to say I really appreciate DB and Mag, you guys both fought hard and well. I really enjoyed it, and you never gave up. I wish you both the best of luck in future battles, a few more people and either one of you could have won this round.

On a side note, with Anet fixing some of the WvW problems (a bit) hopefully all servers will have a few less fair weather player issues. At FA, it seems like half our players are that.

Thank you very much, finally.

The problem is if you give to much or to good of rewards, then it becomes a farm. Give to little, it becomes abandoned.

For me the real fun in WvW is the great battles, but a lot of people want some tangible rewards, I can respect that. I do think the rewards should be on par with PvE. Maybe have badges a bit more common and unlock some more stuff (even if fluff like skins).

I don’t think anyone will complain if badges had more options to spend it on, such as skins, maybe even have options for WvW theme legendaries.

Because Mesmers have a very limited quantity of stealth skills with fairly long cool downs. Mesmers also do not do nearly the damage of a theif.

Peoples main complaint with theif is instant kills by stealthed enemies, and perm stealth. Mesmer can do neither.

Also, I have played a Mesmer extensively in WvW and have not once noticed culling being in my favor. Maybe it is the circumstances but never seemed to work for me that well.

This is something, probably stop the spy tactics some, but really 7 day transfer and 7 day matches, I dont understand the logic in that.

If there is one thing you guys could get away charging for, it would be this. Instead of getting a bad rep trying to milk money out of those keys/chests via holiday events, could just charge gems for transfer. Dont have to limit how often they transfer, just charge the heck out of them. Do not see the community up in arms about this one.

I totally agree, in big WvW battles what a pain.

dirtyklingon.2918:

wvw is meant to be unfair. that’s one of the best parts about it.

No actually that’s the worst part about it.

And there is a difference between slight advantage and absurd advantage. 20 v 10 is unfair, 20 v 1 is really unfair, 20 v 1 with the 20 buffed 15% is really really unfair. You see where this is going?

There are a couple of things I can add that I have seen or heard.

Firstly if you are in a group, your drop rate goes up, even if not helping each other. I have experienced this, I do not see the logic behind it or have an explanation.

Next you have to watch the ground sometimes bags take a couple of seconds to spawn and can easily be missed. This might be due to the rendering bug who knows.

I have about 1500 kills and about 200 badges. I am sure I missed a mountain of bags while killing and moving, or getting killed before being able to loot.

Other then that if your getting xp for the kills you are doing the right thing. Just understand the drop rate is very low and its a bad system, that is why there are so many complaints about it on this forum.

If we all feel this way, me included, then lets prove it by protest.

Do not take the orbs from where they spawn. When they are on the top of the map simply do not go for them. I know it is hard to get a real server to participate in this but if they are going for it just say I dont like how the orb bonus works, its unfair and I will not help because it will ruin this weeks match. This is what I have started doing.

Maybe this will catch on and each server can have their one orb while we have some more even matches. ANet has shown they will not be fixing this anytime soon so it would be up to us if we really feel this way.

My friend and I have noticed this quite a bit as well. No zone has any amount of players anymore. If there servers are full it is only because of the bots.

There are a few problems that are causing this at the moment. Botting, hacking, exploits have caused significant damage to many parts of the game and are one piece of the puzzle. For example, many players have simply left because the problem is so open and not being taken care of and plainly irritating. Also the economy of the game is broken because of said bots, so there is not much reason to harvest, farm, craft anything at all when it is just cheaper and more time effective to buy it.

Another problem I would say is the poorly done random rewards of champions and chests. You do a major time consuming event or jumping puzzle and what do you get for it, most times nothing. The cost of your gear repair may be more then the few blues you get for a reward. This is why many of these things are undone, because they are difficult, sometimes frustrating, or time consuming and not rewarding at all.

So what we are left with, is basically a broken economy, no point to crafting, no rewards for events/jump puzzles. My question would be, why would you level an alt? or go to a low level area? Lets be honest most of the hearts are pointless chores and the personal stories are fairly dumb.

And please do not say everyone is WvW. I play mostly there and 6 out of 7 days of the week, there are like 10 people on.

I hate to say it, but at this point the game is dieing. ANets inaction and lack of communication has caused people to start leaving, we have seen it time and time again with other MMO’s. I wish they would stop ******* with stupid holiday events and get their **** under control first. Who ever is managing this game is driving it into the ground. But that is just my opinion.

I dont want to be a downer here, but your wasting your time reporting them.

If they cannot have an automated system that detects a large group of naked players (usually rangers) running around in the same spot 24 hours a day weeks on end with names like ntcughksh, ntcasjdkj, ntcajksdjk, then there is no hope for this game.

Case in point, there is a player who is hacking on WvW, and has many screenshots of him doing so (someone even had a vid I believe), one of his char names is ‘Ihackedmychar’ or something like that. Been reported probably a few hundred times. And you know what has been done? Take a guess.

I believe it has to be in the light to be vulnerable. You can relight things he blew out. Still trying not to add spoilers.

Just did the event chain for the dwarven door in Dredgehaunt Cliffs. While the story was fun, it was very frustrating and the rewards were basically nothing (three blues yay) as most chests are. Took over an hour and many deaths. Will not be doing it again that is for sure.

Dont want to include any spoilers but will say the door is west of Wyrmblood waypoint.

I dont understand how this would be a punishment? In fact it would be a boon. I play in off times and having one team have 5 people and the other 50 is no fun for either side (I have played on both sides). Is this something to do with the constant ‘win’ mentality or ‘farm’ points? I don’t understand. I play WvW for fun, not to just get extra keeps with no resistance. Please note NPC’s in this idea would not just sit around defending things, they would actually help attack to. So it would be a boon to those off time players to have a little support. And for those overly full defenders they could actually have something to do rather then spawn camp or do a nice 10v1 pvp battle which is rather pointless.

Are you guys saying you prefer total domination? It seems to be killing WvW at this point, I really don’t think that is a good answer.

I agree xytale, some people are ultra focused on winning and they would probably not enjoy any of this. I’m not sure why they feel this way since there are no real benefits to ‘winning’ but to each is own. However, I do think they are the minority and having a few ‘win’ seems to be killing WvW as it is.

There would be another benefit to mixing a bit of PvE with WvW, which is what this idea essentially does. If done well you then expand the level 80 zones, which currently there are to few of. So when people got bored of Frostgorge or Cursed Shore they would have an additional 4 maps to play on with level 80 content. And this would be less work to impliment then adding 4 new content PvE zones I am sure.

And on the flip side for the PvP focused people. This would essentially make a small open world PvP area. Where you would have 4 maps where people could PvE or PvP in the same area. I know some really desired open world PvP.

Thank you Fyren, lets keep the ideas coming. I also wouldn’t mind if they included somehow crafting in WvW. Like crafters could dedicate time or make things to improve guards armor or things like this. That also might get more PvE players involved in WvW. Also would be a way for a poor lower level person to contribute without having to fork out lots of silver for upgrades that get lost very quickly.

GAD I don’t think the goal of a game should be to penalize a server for having a high population. Why should a server full of people not be allowed to have fun. We need to remember the goal of this is a game and enjoyment. If they farm NPC’s then that would be no different then PvE, I don’t see why that would be a big imbalance. In fact if you were winning could you not just currently farm grubs or centars or whatever mobs are in WvW currently? If you think the badges are so precious (they never drop anyways) you could just not have them drop on NPC’s.

Please remember, this is a game, its not about penalizing winners or helping losing teams. The goal is so that everyone can fight and everyone can enjoy it. Boredom and frustration will kill WvW quicker then anything. It has killed many games before.

Another Idea would be to add more PvE goals. So when you kill the Veteran Wolf, you ‘enslave’ him and now he guards your supply or something. More PvE goals might work in bringing in more PvE players to help fill out the maps.

No actually it would be more like a living PvE at that point.

You could argue that NPC’s should only fill the difference in players so if they were all 10, none needed or if it was 10, 10, 12, only two needed, etc.

Would take balancing issues for sure, but their is no way it would be worse than how things are working at the moment.

So I posted this in another thread but probably didn’t totally belong there. So trying with its own thread.

What I am trying to do with this is find new ideas to make it less frustrating for the low population times or servers and more challenging/fun for the high population ones.

Anyways, the first idea was when one server has less population then another at any given time they could have NPC’s come in and make up the difference. Say our server had 50 people fighting against one that has 100 on at the moment. you could have 50 NPC’s go in groups to do various objectives (even better if they could be controlled). Of course they would never be better then to have real players (NPC’s are dumb as we all know) but it would go a long way to make the game seem less empty and give a little help to the under manned server. Even if it just worked for harassing the other severs, and keeping them busy. On the flip side it would make it also less boring to be a winner so you would keep having stuff to do then wander around a empty won map.

Another idea would be when one server owns the entire map you could have an event happen to challenge them. Say a mass raid of ogres or guard rebellion or even better a Dragon descends and starts destroying stuff. Would help with those blowout matches making things easier to retake and just more stuff to do and more fun for everyone.

Or yet another idea, when a server owns nothing (or almost nothing, or no towers/keeps) on a map they have a special force summoned to wreak havoc.

These would of course take a lot of work and balance issue by the Devs, but I do see a lot of potential there. You could eventually go the rout of server upgrades on these abilities (so you could have some kind of server pride and progression) and you could let servers vote on what NPC groups would represent them. Anyways let me know what you all thing and please bring in more ideas.

I really like WvWvW but I don’t like seeing it go through what it currently is.

I had and idea that might be fun. When one server has less population then another at any given time they could have NPC’s come in and make up the difference. Say our server had 50 people fighting against one that has 100 on at the moment. you could have 50 NPC’s go in groups to do various objectives (even better if they could be controlled). Of course they would never be better then to have real players (NPC’s are dumb as we all know) but it would go a long way to make the game seem less empty and give a little help to the under manned server. Even if it just worked for harassing the other severs, and keeping them busy. On the flip side it would make it also less boring to be a winner so you would keep having stuff to do then wander around a empty won map.

Another idea would be when one server owns the entire map you could have an event happen to challenge them. Say a mass raid of ogres or even better a Dragon descends and starts destroying stuff. Would help with those blowout matches making things easier to retake and just more stuff to do and more fun for everyone.

Those are all way more work then just fixing the bugs, but something to think about in the future. Please fix bugs/hacks/exploits/bots/transfers/crashing first.

Several classes can run in and kill a Yak no problem even if being escorted by a few. I have done this many times. Yes you die, but you get the job done. It becomes to the point where you need many to escort or don’t bother, your wasting your time. And caravan guards do not really help either.

The problem with this is that there are times or servers with lower population, that makes it impossible to escort while trying to do other things on the map. Most servers have a lack of people at this point.

What I would like to see is camp upgrades actually be useful.

Erebus Delirium.4892:

The only true losers are people who only WvW when they are winning, the players who transfer to winning servers, and the people who cross the line from PvP to griefing.

In other words, the only true losers are those who like to win but are too lazy or weak to earn it.

I don’t give a kitten what the score says. If you’re out there fighting as an underdog, you are the most important people on your server. Remember their names.

I couldn’t agree more. Just wish more people felt that way.

I know some of this is an exploit or cheating.

But, I played a mesmer to 80, and a hundred skill points past that, so for a while. I have fallen through the map maybe 50 times so far. Some of it is our porting like skills such as the staff. Some of it honestly is crappy design. I remember having to repeat one story quest 5 times because I kept getting knocked through the world by knockback. I fell into a tower once from similar things, and trust me its not nice for us either. I was stuck and couldn’t walk or skill out, and since tower was under attack I couldn’t waypoint out either. Ended up logging and doing that nonsense again.

Some of what we call exploits are exploits and cheaters. I feel though a lot are however game issues. Just something to keep in mind.

Sky.9347:

B) Announce to the entire server “We are outmanned! XXX needs you! (+X% rewards)”

I like this idea a lot. Does not need much to code or implement. No balance issues. May get more people involved in wvw, which is more fun for everyone involved.

I would have to say this is not that high on the list, when they still have so many issues to deal with.

But, I play a mesmer and would have no problem having portal limited to say 5 players (aoe’s are limited this way) or say make it targetable so it can be killed. I do not think it is working as intended at this moment.

And to all the mesmers and theifs that cheat, thank you for ruining the class for everyone.

In all fairness, micah a lot of people are still experiencing regular crashes in wvw, including myself. So not all are logging to avoid the couple silver death penalty.

I wish they would fix the memory leak someday.

I would have to say this game appears to me and my friends to be in a worse state then when it was originally released. So whatever your doing, either your not doing enough or your doing it wrong.