The main problem with “casual v hardcore” is that games are made with this duality in the first place. When I was young you had one difficulty called “the f-ing game you just bought” and you either beat it or you didn’t. There were no difficulty settings.
Exactly. Unfortunately, the original game I bought was casual. The “hardcore content” is new.
So, the logical conclusion of this argument would be to dumb down raids and the new maps to make them as easy as dungeons and core Tyria. However, I don’t think this would make people happy, so this argument doesn’t really work here.
U ever played the original orr? there were 2 times more monster..and it was suuuuuuuuuper fun….so i just wanna have it back
but…since player enjoy the current orr..why not let both excist?
Because one is inherently more profitable.
While that encourages players to get better as this isn’t a 1 player game it doesn’t work out so well.
Oh im sure there is a way to balance the reward..where is a will there is a way. (also the old orr monster didnt drop so often the bags…at least when they reduced the amount of monster they said “dont worry we increased the dropchance of bags”…so the opposite should be possible.
also…the game is a “play as u like” game…i remember me running alone in the maps..and then randomly seeing someone and we were helping out eachother if needed..was really a cool feeling back then….i felt happy seeing another player…now it is “oh no i hope hes not on zerker..otherwise i cant hit any monster”
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Here’s why pleasing both casuals and hardcore players is next to imposible:
If you make a “normal raid mode” that gives all rewards and achievements, then hardcore players scream.
If you make a “normal raid mode” that keeps exclusive rewards for hard mode only, then casual players scream.
The best you can do is make hard mode twice as rewarding as normal mode (which allows all rewards and all original achievements, with an extra set of new hard-mode-only achievements), so both casuals and hardcore players will be equally unhappy. That’s still not a great solution.
I get ur point
im just not talking at all about raids..im talking about open world…..gw2 have the greated and best open world in all games i ever player (i player more than 100 games xP)
None of the games I’ve played had a challenging open world. Then again, I get the impression that some of the newer ones might have a challenging open world, but I haven’t played them. When people think of challenging content, they think of dungeons/raids, not open world. The idea of a challenging open world just feels weird to me, and I think it would be frustrating for people who just want to go somewhere and avoid combat.
Thats why im trying to say that 2 same maps with different difficulty would be a solution….i honestly dont enjoy 1 hitting everything..and i dont enjoy 1 hitting 10 monster in an event..and the rest of the player dont even saw the monster comming and get no reward bcs of me
The main problem with “casual v hardcore” is that games are made with this duality in the first place. When I was young you had one difficulty called “the f-ing game you just bought” and you either beat it or you didn’t. There were no difficulty settings.
Exactly. Unfortunately, the original game I bought was casual. The “hardcore content” is new.
So, the logical conclusion of this argument would be to dumb down raids and the new maps to make them as easy as dungeons and core Tyria. However, I don’t think this would make people happy, so this argument doesn’t really work here.
U ever played the original orr? there were 2 times more monster..and it was suuuuuuuuuper fun….so i just wanna have it back
Lol original Orr was just stupid and annoying. You had to properly use condition cleanse and metal gear your way around. If not, you got stun locked to death. It was a challenge though.
Or… you know… you killed things.
y..i was also killing the monster..step by step..and i made my map completation during that time.
Here’s why pleasing both casuals and hardcore players is next to imposible:
If you make a “normal raid mode” that gives all rewards and achievements, then hardcore players scream.
If you make a “normal raid mode” that keeps exclusive rewards for hard mode only, then casual players scream.
The best you can do is make hard mode twice as rewarding as normal mode (which allows all rewards and all original achievements, with an extra set of new hard-mode-only achievements), so both casuals and hardcore players will be equally unhappy. That’s still not a great solution.
I get ur point
im just not talking at all about raids..im talking about open world…..gw2 have the greated and best open world in all games i ever player (i player more than 100 games xP)
The main problem with “casual v hardcore” is that games are made with this duality in the first place. When I was young you had one difficulty called “the f-ing game you just bought” and you either beat it or you didn’t. There were no difficulty settings.
Exactly. Unfortunately, the original game I bought was casual. The “hardcore content” is new.
So, the logical conclusion of this argument would be to dumb down raids and the new maps to make them as easy as dungeons and core Tyria. However, I don’t think this would make people happy, so this argument doesn’t really work here.
U ever played the original orr? there were 2 times more monster..and it was suuuuuuuuuper fun….so i just wanna have it back but…since player enjoy the current orr..why not let both excist?
i dont understand the reason why its impossible to make everyone happy??….there is for sure a solution…if humankind gave up on any small problem we would have died out looong long time ago.
Remember we live in a democratic society where if 51% of the people want something, the other opposing 49% gets the shaft.
i still wanna all 100% be happy as long as nobody gets hurt
All I see here is: “I want Hard Mode” a la GW1
The answer we’ve been given is that they don’t want to do that in GW2 for a myriad of reasons.
Beyond that, I honestly don’t think they’d be able to make it work in any feasible or enjoyable way.
really? why?….i loved the gw1 hardmode..it was super cool….
bcs people can start small..and once they mastered the game in normal mode…they can make the hardmode instead of leaving the game
and i dont think its impossible to just make another version of a map where downscaling is hared and 2 times more monster….in the past there were muuuuch more monster than now..so if they reduced it..they can also increase it
The current system is already requires heavy amount of resources. Doubling that cost when they need to use megaservers to fill maps wouldn’t be good business sense.
was just thinking…there is a way to make it use less resources…i didnt programm many games yet..but other things…lets imagine queensdale get a super duper LS3 event..then instead of haveing 10 megaserver..there will be 50 or 100…so..i dont think it will cost very much resources to have 1 or 2 hardcore maps…since they r the same just with different settings ..like monster amount or such
If there is a “normal mode”, it must have significantly less rewards than its “hard mode” counterpart. So if raids had a normal mode, the chances of getting any of the drops should be lower, collection items should not be 100% drop, and less shards are earned.
100% agree
same goes with stronger downscaled player
Well, its one thing to choose not to play together, but who gets to decide the label on the account as casual or hardcore. Who decides the definition of hardcore for that matter. And how do you convince the hardcore, they need to be handicapped, so others can enjoy the game a bit more.
The player choose it on ur own…when u start a race at mario cart they ask u…dude u wanna 50, 100 or 150? then i choose 100…realise omg its too hard….then restart and go to 50..and all is good….then when 50 is boringly easy for me..then i go to 100….u r the one who decide when u have fun and when not
The main problem with “casual v hardcore” is that games are made with this duality in the first place. When I was young you had one difficulty called “the f-ing game you just bought” and you either beat it or you didn’t. There were no difficulty settings.
I don’t know what kind of games you used to play but what I used to play would be considered ultra hardcore by the average casual GW2 player. The so called “casual” gamer didn’t exist some years ago. “Gamers” were all players who loved games for what they are, loved games for what they presented and felt good when beating them. The “I just want to play 10 minutes to relax” mentality appeared after the actual “casual” games became a reality.
Now every game tries to be “casual” and all that wonder of old is lost.
Nope.
Difficulty settings were commonplace since the days of 16 bit game systems, almost 30 years ago.
Some games were definitely hardcore. But there were also lots of titles that were less demanding and could be played at a more relaxing pace.
Also, consider that one of the main reason the gaming industry flourished is by making games more accessible and appealing to a wider audience. We wouldn’t have half of the awesome stuff we do today if they kept gaming ‘hardcore’.
true
it had different modes…but atm gw2 is not haveing different modes for the same thing…
leaving out player who wanna have a real battle out of the beauty of central tyria is unfair…..i think everyone have the right to enjoy the game the same as thoso who wanna glide for fun in the jungle but die all the time…for both its is super annoying.
All I see here is: “I want Hard Mode” a la GW1
The answer we’ve been given is that they don’t want to do that in GW2 for a myriad of reasons.
Beyond that, I honestly don’t think they’d be able to make it work in any feasible or enjoyable way.
really? why?….i loved the gw1 hardmode..it was super cool….
bcs people can start small..and once they mastered the game in normal mode…they can make the hardmode instead of leaving the game
and i dont think its impossible to just make another version of a map where downscaling is hared and 2 times more monster….in the past there were muuuuch more monster than now..so if they reduced it..they can also increase it
The current system is already requires heavy amount of resources. Doubling that cost when they need to use megaservers to fill maps wouldn’t be good business sense.
true…but letting the player downscale himself more than normaly would avoid this…like i can say..autodownscale..always -1 lvl -2 lvl..and so one
Can casual and hardcore actually truly exist in the same game… I don’t think so. No matter what you do it’s one or the other with band aids that only cause problems.
do u know mario cart? u can choose the difficult when u start a race and an example for mmo…gw1 ..there was normal and hardmode for nearly every content
All I see here is: “I want Hard Mode” a la GW1
The answer we’ve been given is that they don’t want to do that in GW2 for a myriad of reasons.
Beyond that, I honestly don’t think they’d be able to make it work in any feasible or enjoyable way.
really? why?….i loved the gw1 hardmode..it was super cool….
bcs people can start small..and once they mastered the game in normal mode…they can make the hardmode instead of leaving the game
and i dont think its impossible to just make another version of a map where downscaling is hared and 2 times more monster….in the past there were muuuuch more monster than now..so if they reduced it..they can also increase it
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i dont like silverwasts XD…but im sure the way i run there..will also not help..bcs i dont like the meta there at all..i will most probably go to the northen area where the LS2 was
But thanks for the tip
The best ‘solution’ is to enjoy what you like, and don’t worry about what others say about you… and in kind, don’t say negative things about others.
~EW
Thats how i play….but the way i play annoys many player..bcs im camping spots where more than 5 monster appear….and in worst case these r needed for quests..and then..when i see an event..i enjoy attacking all the wave..but if the others r not so fast me..they get no reward from the event…..i feel bad bcs i hurt others
Im trying atm a tanky revenant..its staff/hammer with the dwarf legend. U can even fight 5-10 monster (central tyria) and dont die..just makeing autoattack on staff and useing the 2 hammer around u (with the dwarf legend). Its really fun and easy build
thats the solo version:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vlAQJAWinvNWNS6JrJRVl/ksrygSYW5QJYscrkFNFptQgIsjPHfd5zsA-TRCBABap8LFNBopEMgDBgg7Pkj6PAcFAa4BA0iOAA-e
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well….im making map completation bcs i wanna get items ..i extra kill every monster i see…but the loot is just so bad……its maybe strange but i enjoy running around in the map and collecting stuff..especially hunting monster..but after killing 30 for 1 item..it feels just bad
to tell the true…..i enjoy HOT as it is now..and im 90% soloing it….its finally fun to kill random monster…or to escape if a situation gets difficult..and then try it again with a better start
well im not playing normal xD…i mainly explorer the region..just have fun seeing new places..and kill anything that moves on the way. it was difficult in the beginning..but once i learned to kill 1 monster safely..i started to attack 2..then 3..and so one im getting better and better slowly..i even try making skill points alone..its often failing…but after winning in the 20th time it just feel great! like “omg i did it!”
and…usually when i run around central tyria (thats my main hobby bcs the maps r just so beautiful) i find it boring to 1 hit everything i see…and usually i find myself camping mini dungeons where 30 monster spawn so that i can kill them for fun..unluckil the fun is over after 30 sec :/ and events….omg events..the only challange now is to be able to hit every monster 1 time only…so u get reward and the others too.