Apparently I need to be careful with what I say here, lest infractions get imposed.
On Friday, the Goon squad did this tactic where they stacked on top of each other. As we know, there is an odd rendering issue going on where people will not appear visible even when they’re right next to you. It gets worse when more people in small are involved, allowing large groups of people to not appear at all, or appear in very little numbers.
It gets especially bad when those people stand on top of each other, allowing zergs of people to walk around silently with people taking them for granted.
Since I am not allowed to have an opinion on this matter, that is all I am going to say.
The guardian bubble appearing out of nowhere should be pretty obvious. I’ve seen a Darkhaven tower with projectiles flying off of it where everyone was invisible. I don’t really buy your argument.
I’m sorry, when did I blame you for doing anything? A quote would be great. I merely said the excuse that “everyone else is doing it” does not work. I said specifically that I haven’t formed an opinion on whether it’s right or wrong, because Besetment was kind enough to explain how it is from your guys point of view.
Having such a pejorative phrase used against us seems like an opinion to me. But maybe that’s just me.
The portal hopping is fine it’s intended game mechanic but staying in one spot to avoid AOE and abusing the rendering is an abuse of game mechanics. I don’t see Northern Shiverpeaks doing this I don’t see DarkHaven doing this. In fact this is the first server I have seen doing it. Just because other servers before us were abusing it against you doesn’t mean they were any more right in abusing it then you are now. But stay classy and say whatever you want to help you sleep at night.
Every server in T1-T4 portal bombs and stacks . If you ever move up, you will see this in every single match. It’s not an exploit in any way shape or form. Every other server we’ve fought knows how to counter it (Mag does as well), too bad DH hasn’t figured it out yet… It’s not even hard.
You low tier servers are always a laugh.
Yeah, sorry for not being a high tier server. We weren’t as lucky as you, we didn’t get tons of highly organized guilds to join our server at launch. The only reason we’re even here is because we worked really hard to get organized. So laugh at us as much as you want. We’re new to the higher tiers, and we can’t help it. Oh, and by the way, I regret to inform you, if you’re from Maguuma you are now a low tier server just like the rest of us—welcome to the family.
P.S. I still haven’t formed an opinion on the subject, but the phrase “all the cool kids are doing it” is what’s coming to mind every time I hear someone (except the gentleman I was talking to earlier) describes why it’s okay for Maguuma to do what it’s doing.
We are fully aware that we’re on the way down and that you’re blaming us for bringing high tier tactics with us.
2. Portal bombing and others things may or may not be exploiting. It’s currently in a grey area. Just because the devs said portal bombing is fine doesn’t mean they said portal bombing is fine exactly the way you are using it.
I imagine balance decisions will be made and there will be an epic flood of whining and tears long overdue. Much like thieves and stealth.
Lastly, remember that something being “legit” doesn’t mean it isn’t cheap or dishonorable. Being the #1 server that used every legal but underhanded play in the book doesn’t make you good players IMO. It makes you good at cheating the system.
I guess all of the top tier servers are good at cheating the system, then? It seems like most of you simply don’t understand that you’re a minority by a long shot in disagreeing with these tactics. If they balance what we do, that’s fine with us. That doesn’t mean it was underhanded, it means it was overpowered. Otherwise, by your analogy, playing a thief is “underhanded”.
Also, witness Maguuma’s magnificent and superior tactics:
or maybe they are in for a treat when we show them how we can team up with honest servers to keep the game fair and balanced. ^.^
Yeah, that might happen if you play with another server rising from the lower tiers. The higher tiers don’t believe this is dishonest and is totally legitimate. Just because you can’t react to it properly doesn’t mean it’s unfair, it just means you have things to learn if you want to get better.
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Fairweather players will be the end of WvW. Soon there will be 6 competitive servers in the top 2 brackets continuously cycling players and the bottom tiers will be ghost battlegrounds.
Eh, I don’t think so. It is a problem but I don’t think it will become that extreme. Servers at the top tiers lose too, so they’d abandon them for fair weather, too.
Let’s get one thing straight. There is absolutely no organized effort to do anything report-worthy on Maguuma. Nobody who has ever accused us of doing so has ever provided evidence of such. It’s funny that people just accuse goons of doing so when all we have is (some) brains and numbers. You’re free to continue your alliance, most of Maguuma won’t care. We’ve only won once in recent history and we have tons of fun no matter what. NSP isn’t going to get second either, I’m pretty confident in that. Darkhaven is no Sea of Sorrows and NSP is no Dragonbrand.
I would just like to say that no matter what borderlands you’re in. The winning server should always be the target by both the losing servers. Any time you’re capping the 3rd place server’s stuff as the second place server, you’re wasting your resources. If both the bottom servers attacked the main server, the main server is now losing that 500 point lead. Even if its allowing all 3 servers to stay close at least it means everybody has a chance.
This is usually what causes those great matchups and close runs in points. The two losing servers know that their target needs to be the winning server. Chances are they already own the majority of the map in every BL otherwise they wouldnt be winning. And very very seldom does capturing the 3rd place server’s points even out that score. It simply lowers the amount that the 1st server is beating you by per tick. That’s not making progress, that’s just losing slower.
Anyways, just my two cents.
But that’s the thing, it’s exactly that: your two cents. If you want to lose respect for someone that disagrees with an opinion, I suppose that’s your prerogative. Either way, it hardly matters in this match. There is no way either of the two lower servers would ever come close to winning.
While I quite enjoyed the battle at DB Garrison today, (40+ kills from flinging people off cliffs is beyond enjoyable :P) I wasn’t impressed to find out the rumors that Maguuma and SoS are double-teaming DB are true. Though I accept that any tactic is a valid tactic, and will accept defeat as graciously as possible, I’ve certainly lost a lot of respect for both of them.
Good luck in your next matches.
I have to aggree after today when maguuma and SoS were attacking garrison at the same time from differant sides. attacks started same time and both pulled back at the same time. Then only an hour or two later to see them do the same at the hills and watch SoS break into the north gate and inner then leave without killing keep lord and watch maguuma go into the gates SoS just broke open to claim it. It did seem like they allied However it could possibly been for those two attacks. It just sucks durring both attacks we had the useless outmanned buff.
It does suck when you’re being attacked by both worlds at once, but such is life. People shouldn’t “lose respect” for other servers when it happens, because it happens all the time. You can’t possibly tell me that Dragonbrand stands by honorably while two other servers fight each other. The only way to do that is to not play.
I disagree, at least for now. I think we generally don’t care too much about spies. We really are trying to get a lot of people into Mumble and changing the password a lot would be annoying, even if it’s not really that hard to change. Besides, spies can just as easily transfer servers to get the password, right now.
I find that hard to believe, still, given the size of zergs I’ve seen. I’ve also read 100 per server as well, though I can’t cite my sources, making me an objectively bad person.
It’s kind of sad how little effort you put into your posts…haven’t you noticed that literally every server has posted recruitment threads in this forum? What is your problem with this thread? According to your post history, you’re on Maguuma.
Unless I’m mistaken, this is recruiting for a server’s WvW, not a specific guild.
I’m considering moving over to Maguuma for the WvW. The main thing holding me back is not knowing what the PVE population is like. How easy is it to get pug dungeon runs, how big the crowds are in Orr, etc.
Not gonna lie, it doesn’t really sound like many of us in this thread know. Heck, I have a level 80 and I still haven’t done a dungeon yet, because I spend all of my time in WvW. If you want my advice, you should just come check it out for awhile. If the PvE isn’t enough for you, you can always go back. I don’t think you necessarily want to make a decision solely on other peoples’ opinions anyway. See it for yourself!
The last time we were in WvW with Dragonbrand was with Tarnished Coast I think. Tarnished Coast and Maguuma mostly ignored each other but Dragonbrand caused a lot of trouble. So I think you guys are the pot and we are the kettle! I’ve certainly never seen people on Mumble waste time on something like that, though. We’re really advocating that side of the community, but sadly there are a few people who actively resist it and some that just ignore it out of laziness or whatever other personal reasons.
Yummee, we can’t fill all of our WvW, but we’ve had a queue in our own borderlands pretty much all day with a very active Mumble server. If you can’t see that, you’re just flat out blind. I haven’t done much PVE in awhile so I can’t speak to that, but WvW is always a blast if you’re willing to coordinate. And you clearly aren’t.
So much tl;dr that I won’t bother responding to, but to facilitate “discussion”, if you need to quote someone and the link is gone, here’s a pro tip: copy and paste the permalink into the URL bar and add /quote. You’re welcome.
Also if your thread displays an empty page, subtract one from the page number in the URL bar.
I don’t think it’s about previous wins as much as winning potential. Of which Sea of Sorrows definitely had a lot, for strong night time coverage. Seems like a pretty obvious choice to American guilds for me, if they have a sizable number.
If you’re on Maguuma, you should definitely still play, it’s great fun. It took them several hours to capture southeast tower on their borderlands and in the meantime we stole upgraded west keep from them with a small party. It took them awhile to get it back afterwards, and awhile longer to finally capture the southeast tower. Some of us moved to Eternal to have fun at Pangloss again and we held it for awhile. This is what it took to run us out. We managed to kill a golem, too, it was great fun and they wasted so much money trying to get in.
If you’re on Dragonbrand, we welcome people who like to have fun
Well, all of this tells me one thing. I need to familiarize myself with WvWvW more and get to a point were I can command like I did in WAR. Sounds like we have a lack of dedicated commanders or leaders on Maguuma. Could be wrong, but sometimes a little direction goes a long way.
Yes, you do, but mostly because we want more people. The supply camp thing was very well led, it was hardly a disorganized effort. Don’t let these Fort Aspenwood guys trick you into thinking we have tons of people just waiting to be commanded when we probably couldn’t fill two borderlands in the evening. The hordes just don’t exist. I really don’t understand why they are presuming to know more about our population than we do.
Yes, we do silly things like fortify a supply camp and shoot fireworks off. It’s fun for us, but by no means does it occupy a significant amount of our time. Morale dropping is a reality that affects many servers, not just ours, and picking an objective to accomplish is a way to help morale.
“A few events” that have been the only times Maguuma has shown up in force to WvW this matchup. During these “events” Maguuma has more than enough people (with multiple individual/presumably organized guilds representing in numbers) but instead of actually fighting across the map they take one Camp/Tower/Keep and focus on that for the entire night. It just seems like a waste of resources. Wouldn’t it be more fun to actually contribute to the fight even knowing you won’t be on the scoreboard?
Watching waves of people slam against a keep wall and die can be pretty fun too.
So if I’m following this correctly, Maguuma is assigning 30+ people and siege to defend a supply camp and then complaining that they’re outnumbered on the rest of the map
No, here’s the correct logic: Maguuma does a fun, one time event that everyone participating on Maguuma enjoys, and Fort Aspenwood takes it to mean this is all Maguuma ever does and lol what a bad server!
Maybe Maguuma might have less people on the server itself, but the amount showing up to WvW seems to be plenty compared to what we have also queueing. The big issue I keep seeing is all Maguuma forces move as a single unit and don’t try to hit multiple things at once. Our commanders are constantly coordinating things like that.
Your anecdotal evidence is wrong and you should feel bad for using it as fact. Not that anybody from Maguuma cares if you’re bored.
I dare you to follow JerkJerk for a day in WvW and tell me you don’t enjoy it. We do fine going at it with FA when we have relatively even numbers. Hop on Maguuma and see for yourself.
Hell yeah, JerkJerk is the greatest leader, see how many people he can bend to his will
It does not matter if they are exposed if they get banned. I don’t agree with the policy myself, but there’s no point in fighting it. If you’re going to do it, you have to do it on another forum.
The threads are not deleted for “no reason”, they’re deleted when they contain information identifying people who cheat. It’s technically against the forum rules. Same thing happened to my thread awhile ago even though it only had a guild tag. I’m sure this one will be deleted too. Report cheaters directly to A.Net if you have proof.
There was a thread on it before it was deleted. Proof is supposed to go straight to A.Net, they don’t like us posting them here. The above is just one of mine though, so view it before it’s moderated :P Sadly, when I ask for the same thing you do, I never get replies. Or they’re deleted before I see them, but I doubt it.
A ton of exploiters
That’s why we’ve been last the last few match-ups and spend most of the time with no orbs?
QQ
Have to say it though, if it weren’t for Foo and the like our server would probably be in the lower ranks instead of the mid ranks. Thank you!
We have lots of screenshots of Yak’s Bend people underground attacking altars and a few of a large group of Yak’s Bend doing a garrison wall glitch to bypass a gate. I’m not saying all or even a significant portion of Yak’s Bend are cheaters, but I think this is a lot more than we’ve encountered in previous matches. Maybe they were less known exploits back then or something.
