Guild Wars 2

Korago.7509:

Farm DEs in Cursed Shore. I made the 100g I needed for my set in less than a week doing that. Totally worth it.

Idk how you figure that, the armor doesnt even look that great and its rare, not exotic…..

What I dont understand is why is this tier 3 cultural armor rares and not exotics? Considering their karma/gold costs this just doesnt make any sense.

Garenthal.1480:

I do hope that Arena Net live up to their earlier promise of punishing those who exploit the game to the fullest extent possible. I took my time exploring the game world and found the journey to be incredibly captivating. I still haven’t even seen every zone yet!

Though I’m reluctant to enter dungeons. I want some of the gear pieces that are available from the various tokens earned within, though I feel indirectly punished for being a honest player when I see people in full dungeon attire (some of whom even brag about cheating to get it).

How would you even know that those players earned that gear legitimately, running the least or non exploitable/buggy parts of a dungeon? Simple fact is you cant, you are just judging people to judge people.

FKNrocked.7421:

All you people on here posting about it, yet you know good and well that you have taken advantage of this yourselves. Someone mentioned something about ‘I deleted tokens’, LOL no one in their just shy of a moron would believe that… I personally agree with Nethelli in the sense that people maybe would be more prompt on reporting such events if they didn’t need to spend COUNTLESS hours performing the SAME task OVER AND OVER and getting burned out on it just to get a SINGLE FRIGGIN’ item… I don’t believe you should be able to get a full gear set in a day… ALTHOUGH, I do however believe the incentive should be a little more rewarding than the tokens you are rightfully rewarded before the exploit was stumbled upon, and after this build comes out. I have a wife and three kids, and I’m in the military… I do not have the time to put into these countless hours in the dungeons to obtain the character build I would like to obtain for end game PVP. If at all possible could we look into re-structuring the reward of tokens at the end of the dungeons Robert Hrouda? This I think would be a very acceptable medium for both ‘sides’ of your player base. Thank you for the consideration and lets get this fixed so I can spend the next 4 days working on my Breastplate! lol…

No doubt, even just spending time in the zone and seeing the sheer amount of players running this dungeon and asking for and looking for speed runs……Everybody and their brother exploited this run. People that come here and say I deleted my tokens or gear please dont ban me, do you really think they have the time or resources to go through every account and say hey look this guy deleted his ill gotten tokens lets not ban him……rofl lets be realistic here.

Fluffycalico.2715:

seventhson.6932:

It doesn’t matter if it’s enjoyable or downright impossible the TOS say’s specifically that you are NOT to exploit ANY game bug for personal gain.
When you first signed into the game you agreed to this.

And if they thought it was really a big deal they would’ve hot fixed it immediately and banned people right away……..get off your high horse.

1.4million karma items were sold before they temp banned people for that…

I understand that, although this was a vastly different situation they dealt with it quite swiftly, soooo……..

Robert Hrouda.1327:

Bypassing content by jump mashing against a wall isn’t what we wanted you to do.

We’ve known about this issue in particular, and are actively working on it.

Here is the thing though, I havent done Arah yet but in COF there are actually ledges you can get on and jump to, you dont have to jump mash to do it.

It doesn’t matter if it’s enjoyable or downright impossible the TOS say’s specifically that you are NOT to exploit ANY game bug for personal gain.
When you first signed into the game you agreed to this.

And if they thought it was really a big deal they would’ve hot fixed it immediately and banned people right away……..get off your high horse.

I think it serves as a fantastic demonstration of the cleverness and tenacity of ArenaNet’s player base. If you dig a pit, we’ll walk around it. If you put up a fence, we’ll climb over it. We will always follow the path of least resistance for fun and profit

Yes, and hopefully they wont punish/ban players for being like this either.

It is irrelevant, so I am wondering why you are trying so hard to make a point of it?
I can see a few motivations for this. You want to clear everything. That’s fine. There are some groups that did things in a way that I did not agree with, so I left them, courteously, as soon as we completed the dungeon. Or you are so immersed in the Guild Wars 2 world that you don’t like it when something feels broken.
In response to the second reason of things feeling broken, tough. A lot of the dungeons have mechanics that are broken. I’m not talking about, “Oh, I can’t dodge this! I keep dying!” broken. I’m talking about broken broken, as in not working broken. If this is your motivation, I can understand it, but I believe Arena Net needs to fix the broken broken things first. I applaud you for being so into the world.
Now, if you want to clear everything and force everyone to clear everything as well, we have a problem. Because you’re trying to force your way of playing onto others. As I have stated, I have cleared and not cleared things. It makes little difference. You have mentioned that the time saved or the time lost is irrelevant. You are essentially becoming the elitist you hate.

Wow really? What about the devs intending for you to kill the trash mobs and not skip them, which is the point I was making, why is that so hard for you to understand? Reading comprehension ftw…… Where did I ever say I hate elitists? I said in the way dungeons are currently being ran, elitists cant exist, as in there is nothing elite about these dungeons at all. Its just faceroll skip all the mobs, and what you said earlier proves this is happening……. Yeah you SHOULD be forced to kill the trash mobs as in that’s the way its intended to be run, and its imo flawed that they allow people to just run by everything, these mobs shouldn’t have leashes and should follow you the whole way and make you stop and deal with them. That would stop that behavior really fast. Why don’t you act a little more defensive? No one is belittling you, so get over it.

I wouldnt think they are too worried about it since it hasnt been fixed since launch yet soooo………..

miya.5160:

Did you skip the part where I said clearing everything only takes an extra 5-10 minutes?

Skipping content is a gamble, because if one person doesn’t make it through and you can’t resurrect them, you lose the time you would have saved if the skipping were successful.

Or are you just wanting to rant, because I could let you do that if you want.

Taking the extra 5-10 mins to do it is irrelevant, what I am saying is that people just are nt killing those trash mob packs at all and that’s the point, the devs didn’t intend this. I really doubt I am coming off like ranting either, just trying to make a point.

And in the meantime, millions of players in-game are pugging explorable and story mode dungeons alike and managing to clear them.
Here we have a very small minority of the playerbase who can’t handle combat mechanics more complex than standing in a single spot, dpsing, and expecting results.
And anet knows that. Which means this thread will just be forgotten like every other “I am bad at this game, please make easy content even easier for me” QQ thread.
The only things which need tweaking or fixing is the numerous bugs and exploits in dungeons. Nothing more, or less.

So you are honestly saying you can kill all the mobs in the magg run choice in COF without kiting or suicide running it till 200 secs? Cause i call B.S. on that. Nothing exploit y or buggy with that event just kill the mobs, but the problem with this is that NO ONE can kill them like that as its intended.

miya.5160:

For groups that had already been there, we ran past things, and I became incredibly efficient at guiding people through.

For groups that had not, we cleared everything. It honestly only takes 5-10 minutes. The only offender would be the three worms in the hallway, but there are enough Volatile Blossoms that I don’t believe I’ve had a group ever wipe there, even groups that just hit 80 and were completely new to the zone.

Your mileage may vary though. By the time I grouped with the fresh 80s that were new to Twilight Arbor, I already had 40 or so runs under my belt, so I could guide them with my eyes closed.

Great example, everyone does this, skipping content. I think that a-net didn’t intend this and are struggling to amend it. I would be willing to guess that at least 90% of the players in this game are MMO vets, in terms of dungeon content these players have “been there and done that” and if given the choice or opportunity to skip content they will. And since I have personally seen 90%+ groups doing it this way being an elitist in these dungeon environments becomes moot, as in there cant be elitists. There is nothing elite about skipping content and speed running all dungeons ad-nausea.

To my knowledge A-net hasn’t every said one way or another if engaging in jumping techniques to bypass dungeon mechanics/content is ok or not, someone please correct me if i am wrong.

I may have jumped the gun, but your response seemed a bit too forward and earnest.
But I agree with your response to my statement. Partly, because it tells me what I already knew in order to make my original statement. Only partly.
I’m kidding. No offense intended.
Edit: Also, in regards to TA not having an easy route, it has two. Up-Up, and the slightly longer Forward-Up. It’s not as easy as the pre-patch CoF speed run, but I’ve never failed it, despite having farmed my set with mostly PUGs.
Edit 2: Wait. Should I have not let that slip?

The question I want to ask you though, when you ran TA did you skip alot of the mobs or kill everything? My guess is you skipped alot of the trash mobs, which fundamentally shows how flawed the design of these dungeons is, cause my money is on the fact that the devs want you to kill thats stuff as in their minds thats part of what makes the dungeon difficult……….

miya.5160:

I’ve done most of the dungeons and grinded out a non-CoF armor set, and I think dungeons need some work.

They aren’t balanced at this point. They are rough and seem thrown together without being tested. Compared to how well everything else is designed, i.e. the leveling system, WvW system, DE system, map completion, skill and trait system, the dungeons in Guild Wars 2 are extremely antiquated. Some might like this, as is clear with all those coming to the defense of these dungeons, but I still feel dungeons fall short in Guild Wars 2.

Of course, most of them are still buggy wrecks, so it’s hard to tell what the game developers truly intended. All I know is that there are improvements that can be made. Make a dungeon as challenging all you want—I love challenging content—but at least make it interesting.

And I’m sorry if Guild Wars 2 dungeons seems interesting and new to people, but I have experienced these types of dungeons in really bad Korean MMOs that I’ve played (and I’ve tried a lot!). These dungeons are not as well-thought out as you might think—I’m sorry to say.

^ precisely this, most of these dungeons need alot of work.

TheKillerAngel.3596:

seventhson.6932:

TheKillerAngel.3596:

seventhson.6932:

Bring back henchmen!!

Can you please elaborate on this? What were henchmen?

Henchmen, and later heroes, were an essential part of Guild Wars 1. They are NPC’s you have a selection from to help you with missions. Heroes, unlike henchmen, can be customized with equipment and skills.

Did these heroes or henchmen ever allow you to solo run dungeons?

Yes, skilled players could use heroes to clear an elite dungeon like Slavers’ Exile on hard mode. You can even use heroes to complete some things like Glint’s Challenge and be AFK while doing it (here’s a build that could do this: http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:Team_-_Glint's_Heroway ). This was only possible when they added 7 heroes (until some point in 2011 you were limited to 3 heroes per party).

Thats actually pretty darn cool, being able to solo run dungeons the way you want would eliminate alot of issues with dungeons currently.

TA 30-45min explorable

I have been on quite a few runs there that took alot less than that, 20-30 mins tops. Mainly cause all of the groups I have been in just skip a majority of the trash mobs.

SoulCtrl.8124:

That would be a much better system, up the number of tokens you get per run but limit tokens to only be awarded for the first run of the day, or even better, the first run of each route. The system as it is now encourages extreme grinding, which kind of goes against the whole philosophy of the game.

Honestly if you limit how tokens are distributes at all like only getting one chance a day to get tokens from a certain path in a dungeon would make it more of a grind rather than less, as it would take wayyyy longer, and make running dungeons like doing dailies which would get old really fast.

TheKillerAngel.3596:

seventhson.6932:

Bring back henchmen!!

Can you please elaborate on this? What were henchmen?

Henchmen, and later heroes, were an essential part of Guild Wars 1. They are NPC’s you have a selection from to help you with missions. Heroes, unlike henchmen, can be customized with equipment and skills.

Did these heroes or henchmen ever allow you to solo run dungeons?

SoulCtrl.8124:

I think until all the kinks in the dungeon programming gets sorted out a daily limit of tokens should be set to prevent massive abuse to the system.

From what I have seen, it seems they are upping the amount of tokens you get for each run. Therefore I would assume people will speed run them more after patch.

Bring back henchmen!!

Can you please elaborate on this? What were henchmen?

If you’re wanting to look good, wear whatever.

Too bad thats not what she said, but whatever dude. In the end its all a time commitment, at this short time that the game has even been out, anyone I see wearing a full set of anything from any dungeons tells me they speed ran it and grinded it non stop.

Fay.2735:

seventhson.6932:

Fay.2735:

As soon as I noticed loads of people wearing the armour despite the look being really cool knowing it was so easily gained it just yells to me ‘I took advantage of a balancing issue/exploit and think I’m so cool because of it’ which to me does the exact opposit.

It’s no sign of skill or experience or patience or anything. At the moment it just makes you look bad. Which is a real shame it’s one of the nicest dungeon sets.

Fay.2735:

I don’t wear any set although I have the circlet from CM it’s not as important to me and I’ve been getting plenty tokens just by helping guildies out in various dungeons so if I end up with enough tokens to get something I might do so but I don’t do the dungeons for the gear.

I’ve just been enjoying the content with my party going through each dungeon one by one doing all paths to get the Dungeon Master title. At HotW at the moment. I just enjoy the challenge and do it for that reason not for gear/xp/loot Oh and of course the good company :P Lot of laughs.

Then why comment about how people wearing this gear are noob or exploiters? Why do you care at all? Personally I dont give a kitten what people think, in life or this game…..

I never said that anyone was a noob nor did I say ALL people who do are exploiters. All I said is that because most people have been using exploits or using the unbalanced easy path before the ‘fix’ I feel the gear is no longer a statement of achievement, skill or experience.

The reason I care is because to those who have done it legitimately they are the ones getting the short end of the stick. They can’t show off their gear with pride because it just makes others see them as exploiters. So the genuinely skilled dungeon runners are being ‘punished’ because of what the exploiters have done. I hope that clarifies what I’m getting at.

How are they punished if they are like you and just run the dungeons for fun or are just along for the ride or the experience, not the gear? And if they are grinding for the gear just like everyone else, my bet is they are exploiting/speed running it. So whats is your point again?

Oh and i quoted you saying that this gear is a sign of a lack of skill………..a.k.a being a noob, so yeah you called them noobs…………..

The deal with TA is everyone just skips majority of the trash packs of mobs………have you never done TA? Everyone just trivialized that place all day long.

The entire path of the this dungeon is bugged all to hell………almost every part of it. Even just trying to get magg to the crystal past the lava is excruciating test of patience.

Sean.1897:

I like how it looks but I won’t respect anyone who wears it and be overly critical of them if they are in my group.

I am the same way with people in TA gear………or Arah gear…….

The fact is people don’t do the bomb the doors event because most people cant do it without dying alot, and that is not fun, or worth the time and effort. Why is this so hard to understand?

I’ll post this again in reply to all of sebyos’s replies, obviously you are trolling. What gear do you wear?

I see alot of people wearing this gear all over my server so I really dont think this sentiment is universal. And what do you think just running the first few bosses of Arah in 15-20 mins and then resetting and wearing that gear makes you feel more superior? Or maybe running TA and skipping a vast majority of the trash mobs and finishing in 20 mins makes you feel special? Because as far as I am concerned there is a fast way to run all the dungeons at the moment.

Fay.2735:

As soon as I noticed loads of people wearing the armour despite the look being really cool knowing it was so easily gained it just yells to me ‘I took advantage of a balancing issue/exploit and think I’m so cool because of it’ which to me does the exact opposit.

It’s no sign of skill or experience or patience or anything. At the moment it just makes you look bad. Which is a real shame it’s one of the nicest dungeon sets.

Fay.2735:

I don’t wear any set although I have the circlet from CM it’s not as important to me and I’ve been getting plenty tokens just by helping guildies out in various dungeons so if I end up with enough tokens to get something I might do so but I don’t do the dungeons for the gear.

I’ve just been enjoying the content with my party going through each dungeon one by one doing all paths to get the Dungeon Master title. At HotW at the moment. I just enjoy the challenge and do it for that reason not for gear/xp/loot Oh and of course the good company :P Lot of laughs.

Then why comment about how people wearing this gear are noob or exploiters? Why do you care at all? Personally I dont give a kitten what people think, in life or this game…..

Fay.2735:

As soon as I noticed loads of people wearing the armour despite the look being really cool knowing it was so easily gained it just yells to me ‘I took advantage of a balancing issue/exploit and think I’m so cool because of it’ which to me does the exact opposit.

It’s no sign of skill or experience or patience or anything. At the moment it just makes you look bad. Which is a real shame it’s one of the nicest dungeon sets.

And what set do you wear? Cause if its TA or Arah read my above post.

Sebyos.4089:

CoF gear right now is only cosmetic. It doesn’t mean skills and doesn’t mean dedication either. So yeah I do feel this is really noob gear and I really wonder how Anet could fix this issue. It’s really bad and I sincerly hope people who farmed CoF feel this way too. I mean if they are serious about dungeons I’m sure they are ashamed about how easy this is done.

I have seen people in full Twilight Arbor gear fail miserably at magg runs, exploits or not. The part where you have to lead magg over the lava to the crystal just defeats alot of players. And then there is the kiting bomb part……..

I see alot of people wearing this gear all over my server so I really dont think this sentiment is universal. And what do you think just running the first few bosses of Arah in 15-20 mins and then resetting and wearing that gear makes you feel more superior? Or maybe running TA and skipping a vast majority of the trash mobs and finishing in 20 mins makes you feel special? Because as far as I am concerned there is a fast way to run all the dungeons at the moment.

Well you can say what you want about difficulty and I agree in their current form dungeons are hard, but, for instance in Twilight Arbor the first few sets of trash mobs get skipped by every group just running by them. People don’t wanna do it, even though those trash mobs would prove somewhat difficult to defeat.

My impression of dungeons at the moment is people are just looking for ways to get marks as easy and fast as they can even if they exploit or skip content making it more difficult in some ways. In fact I was in a Twilight Arbor group recently and after dying after the first boss but before the second I wasn’t able to run past all those early trash mobs to get back to the group and kept dying to them, and was also being ridiculed by other party members for it, THIS makes me not want to run these dungeons at all.

Its not that the dungeons are overly hard, because they really aren’t, but MOST people just want to take the path of least resistance for some reason in this game.

Santus.2953:

I got 5x piece of cof sets I used exploits to get these easy. Im regret it, I deleted all piece of cof sets,now Im feel like better man. I know I did use exploits but Im really hope for second chance from Anet! Dont need follow my way just I tell to everbody.

Really wow, If they are gonna do a mass ban for this I really doubt they would check to see if you deleted those items or not. But the fact that people are this freaked out about getting banned for this and go to this extreme is not cool, A-net you need to let people know whats going to happen as it seems it is causing unnecessary anxiety with your players.

Kain.9167:

Same here jozefka, I cannot get a group and was basically taunted by the people for saying I didn’t want to exploit.

Arenanet showed off a nice minimal tolerance policy for the karma weapons fiasco where excessive violators were permabanned. I need to see this continue with a wave of bans for this exploit. These people are making a large profit off glitched treasure boxes and are getting CoF gear without any struggle, and it is absolutely unfair to those of us who aren’t abusing the hell out of it. Call me crazy but this is what I want to see:

2-5 runs – 3 day suspension and a removal of all CoF tokens and gear.
6+ runs – Permaban

Doing it once? Okay, maybe you didn’t know… Doing it twice? You knew what you were doing and chose to exploit.

Oh please, large profit? umm no. Even if you are getting an extra chest out of it, what you get is 5 extra marks and 3-4 blue items and MAYBE a green? What, so that’s 60-80 copper per item since I would be willing to bet everyone just vendors that crap, and it takes what over 300 marks to get some gear and all the weapons, so how is that even remotely a large profit? On top of that they severely nerfed the silver you get after just completing in once and you are just getting gear for ONE dungeon slightly faster, also the chance of exotic loot even dropping in that dungeon is nill. If they even ban anyone for this I would be really sad, I mean you have to realize they know about this and haven’t even hot-fixed it which would be really easy for them, so if they even ban for this and they knew about it and didnt fix it in a reasonable amount of time then shame on them.

I agree with another poster on the first page. I think there is a reason people are running COF speed runs compared to the other dungeons. I have run Twilight Arbor a few times and I had bad experiences with it, those worms at the beginning are ridiculous and hit hard and fast with their ranged attack with barely any warning, on top of this the flowers re-spawning insanely fast and being ridiculously powerful with a wide aoe poison is just not fun, its really frustrating and that’s why i think barely anyone beyond a premade group isn’t running it. Also players just tend to skip mob packs alot which i doubt you guys intend
either lessen the amount of mobs in certain spots or spread them out better a pack of 4 nasty silver portrait mobs isn’t fun at all, players are just taking the path of least resistance.
Its simple really players are running COF because less time for equal rewards. Personally I think you should added mobs to the mogg run in COF or something like that, however I do think that place is subject to bugs and glitches out alot which i feel isn’t being addressed.

The main reason i dont use minions is because of thier extremely poor AI. Also they die really fast and are kinda useless, even with traits. I am talking PVE strictly here.

I am wanting a AI fix for the pets badly. The flesh golem especially. When i am walking through an area and it just runs off and attacks whatever is very frustrating and makes me not want to use it at all, and I really dont think you guys want that anet.

Did anyone ever stop and think that maybe all thekittenbotters are the ones doing this? Cause I have been playing since launch and have seen a huge amount of botters just camping certain events that happen often, and in my experience in this game some of the better loot drops off event mobs, also more rare stuff too. Its just easier for the botters to just list at the lowest selling and be done with it. They dont care, anet really needs to deal with these fools.