Guild Wars 2

Yea, if memory serves, comparing the 8350 to the Ivy Bridge, specifically 3770k, with turbo turned off on the 3770k @ 3.5, the 8350 needs to reach speeds of 4.9/5.0 to be near the 3770k, with turbo turned on on the 3770k, the FX8350 has to reach speeds in the mid 5s to be near the 3770k core for core. Of course, that’s with the 3770k @ bare stock, no overclock applied.

I think there needs to be a sticky in the tech section :/ Something regarding the use of Intel vs AMD cpus. A single locked post giving information on the beneficial gains of an Intel chip in this game.

<.< I said DIY loop, referring to a watercooling loop, lol. On benching runs I can just fill up my dewar with liquid nitrogen or liquid helium and use the littledevil cpu pot + insulation/vaseline, but geez, going for a homemade setup like that is just too much work :P Congrats on his ingenuity and motivation though.

What I was getting at though was that that overclock being claimed obviously cannot run on air, and more than likely too much for a custom watercooling setup as well unless he has like 4+ monsta rads or similar cascaded with AP-15s at full bore. But, if he had the money for a $1,000+ watercooling setup, he wouldn’t be running an FX-8350.

Aza.2105:

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

My friend bought FX 8350 to replace i5 4670K … kinda weir but when he told me that his i5 was bad OC-er (4Ghz – max stable) and that FX 8350 is golden (5.6Ghz all 8 cores and 5.7 Ghz 1 core per module)… Voltage is under 1.53V while he cant get 5.9Ghz even with massive V…

This is just BS. The average user is not getting the 8350 to 5.6ghz. The average user doesn’t have a custom watercooler loop or a liquid nitrogen setup. After 4.6ghz the 8350 requires a massive vcore increase, air cooling and closed liquid coolers can’t keep it properly cooled. I have my 8350@ 4.8ghz with a h110.. And it gets to 68c+ if I run prime95 or intel burn test for too long. That is 7c above amd recommended temps. At 5.6ghz with 8 cores, even with a h110 the temps would be extraordinarily high.

I think we all call it, generally the average overclock for a 8350 under a DIY loop is about 4.9ghz, while the average overclock for an ivybridge i7 under a DIY loop is just a shade under 4.7ghz. Liquid cooling is not optional on the 8350 at the clock + volts he is talking, would be best off using a single stage phase change unit from LittleDevil or CoolerExpress.

So basically, I think we all already know :P Of course if it was true, I’d say his friend is just a kitten who bought a low-end board with a low amount of power phases and expected a miracle. Only time I’ve seen a chip not push past 4GHz….

It wouldn’t hurt to go see the store owner, after all, it IS your hard earned money.

I have a feeling it’s a smaller store, which is why I think it may be more difficult than that. Could be wrong of course, MicroCenter, TigerDirect, etc. may certainly go through without hassle, but I’m assuming it’s more of a mom and pop type of computer shop.

If you were to confront someone about this and wanting a return, you’d better offer factual statistics on documents to prove such. On top of that, the store owner may not accept the return of said goods, and would require a lawsuit to do such, which would require hard evidence, including your original list.

Not saying it’s not worth a try, but be prepared for that scenario.

It’s not that it’s not good, there are factors at play here.

GuildWars 2 is a game specifically, that enjoys higher single core performance over all else, something of which NO AMD cpu can properly provide. Intel gets the closest in that respect.

Also, whoever helped you with that build, should have aimed you at least at an FX-6300 for a more modern gaming setup.

konawolv.3971:

Hello all, I have been doing some searching around the internet for what people think about the fx 8350. It seems that all I can find is people asking whether or not to buy it as an upgrade over BD/Phenom. Most people that reply to the threads just jump bandwagon and say “get the i5’s as they are better for gaming.”

They aren’t wrong, to an extent…. If you drop the res to 1024×768, the 8350 will achieve about half the framerate of an i5-2500k for example in a large amount of titles. But, since most people don’t play at that res in this day and time…. It’s kind of redundant :/

At the current moment in time you can find an FX 8350 for $160 – $190 or an 3570k or 4670k for $130 – $190. So really it’s a toss up, both are good cpus and you really won’t go wrong with either, especially in current modern titles.

An Intel i5 is preferred for GuildWars 2. That cpu is on the far weak side of AMD, so it really won’t do much for any modern games really, much less GW2. GW2 is a game that values per-thread-performance over anything else, so AMD cpus have a bad enough time as it is in this game, but that AMD dual core simply will not do much for you.

Mantle is plenty well known, we have nutjobs here who praise Mantle as a golden calf and think it is the best thing in the world and it’s extremely easily to implement. Truth is, it takes rewriting the current engine, and on top of that, with DirectX 12 on the horizon, I wouldn’t hold too much hope for Mantle lasting (Unless of course DX12 turns out to be a sham and piece of crap), unless AMD has more money to throw at devs to input the same thing that DirectX would do, except DX12 would work for NVIDIA, AMD, Intel, etc. whereas Mantle would be proprietary to AMD.

Mantle was simply a beacon, and it has already shined it’s light, now we have DX12 to look forward to thanks to Mantle.

You won’t see it in GuildWars 2 though, regardless. DX9…. and that is all :P

Fair enough, I feel his pain in irritation from it though, it can be quite the nuisance

My Beyerdynamic T90 and DT990 600 are both open aire design, so that’s a no go on the headphone theory

My system is fully watercooled for noise reduction, sooooo, regardless, I will not have a system with coil whine myself. It is personal preference, and I choose no. As far as defective, you are absolutely right, but I will not tolerate my PSU or GPU to have it

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

So thats why i am not recommending him new GPU – get watercooling and OC that CPu to 5.0Ghz

EDIT:
I understand – get 7970 like they said

Watercooling? Watercooling would make him spend his $300 on watercooling parts alone…. And that’s just for a lower end watercooling setup. Keep it realistic to his budget.

Caedmon.6798:

You should not get a new gpu just because of Coil whine.Coil whine is NOT a defective,there is nothing wrong with your card At all.

If you are me and value a quiet system, then you would find it reason If I heard anything more than the woosh of fans in my system, I would get infuriated… In fact, part of the reason I actually do watercooling, despite it’s money sink of a hobby.

It’s not recommended to recommend AMD cpus for this game, it’s not recommended to find benchmarks that have NOTHING to do with GW2, but, someone we know still does it….

As far as the build goes, you mention the Thief reboot, BF4, etc. What type of settings did you plan to play these games on? You won’t be playing them maxed out if that’s what you are after.

What did DICE do for BF4? You mean the fact that midway through DEVELOPMENT of the game, AMD brought them something to implement, while the game was still under development? Not something that was completely added out of the blue 2 years after the game’s release that was 2+ generations ahead of the game :/

You can’t compare what the DICE team did to BF4, which is a modern game mind you, to what this company does for GW2. We’ve all told you, we’d love to see change, but it simply won’t happen. If you want an actual response, you will have to have your lawyer talk with their leads, and offer them a multi-million dollar contract.

Let’s say you did get a 750Ti, your Core2Duo would be a bottleneck in games for it unless you pushed it to at least 4GHz to minimize such a bottleneck.

That being said, this is Guild Wars 2, and your biggest hold back will be your cpu as far as fps goes. I don’t know why you tried playing at max settings honestly, you should try best performance, or put everything on the lowest settings, and slowly adjust to see what works. Keep in mind, crowded areas like Lions Arch you will of course be getting under 30 fps majority of the time.

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

and one last thing – ram must be 1.5V or lower

Why would his ram HAVE to be 1.5v?

Not really overpriced? Where have you been, lol, Razer has some of the worst quality control in the industry.

Btw, for that price you are looking at a GTX 780M or GTX 880M 17" windows lappy ;D But a definitive budget will help us to help him.

Give us your budget, we sure don’t mind trying to help

My vote goes for a Sager, with how poor Razer’s quality control is, I would NEVER want to own a laptop made by them, when they can’t even get peripherals right….

Crawford.4135:

Stop suggesting Business CPUs to Gamers. i3/i5’s are not intended for hard gaming unless you want a mid-to-low system and don’t care that much about high performance. There are plenty of i7’s out there with more L3CACHE (which helps tremendously with gaming).

And the price difference between i3/i5 to i7’s is not even that large of a margin. Go with an i7

You really have NO idea what you are talking about. The i5’s, are what’s actually recommended for “hard gaming” over i7’s in a large majority of games, unless you can benefit from hyperthreading in particular programs, be it Photoshop, Maya, 3D Studio Max, etc. etc.

Just an FYI, what is considered “business cpu”, would be the Xeon and Opteron series.

The thing is, a cooling pad is one of your only choices, being a laptop. If it were my lappy, I would both pick up a cooling pad, then rip open the laptop, and apply Gelid GC-Extreme.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/get-best-display-monitor

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/make-text-screen-larger-smaller/?v=t

Absolutely nothing wrong with going with AMD, much less for any of the FX line, the issue comes into play whenever anything is posted you instantly chant “INTEL FANBOY SITE!!!!!!!!”. AMD in fact is sometimes the one thing to go for when budget restrictions are too tight. The FX-6300 for example is a good all-rounder, but we are talking GW2, where the i3 will be the better purchase for $5 more, and also allow him to upgrade to an i5 or i7 if he wants in the future, which will offer much, much more.

A 4300 though? For $10 more I’d rather the 6300 for a budget cpu if I had to go with a lower end AMD setup as the 6300 will offer more headroom, especially in a LAN rig. However, in GW2 it is another story. No matter how much we want it, we won’t get the FX cpus playing as nice as the Intels, unless AMD comes out with a cpu line that offers superior single thread, in which case yay for all.

I’m not saying AMD is bad at all, and they make for great budget setups, as I mentioned already, but again, this is Guild Wars 2.

And once again, in your own links, an i3 Sandy Bridge, beats them both. It’s hard to tell a diehard AMD fanboy that his FX simply does not have good enough single core performance, despite being told by numerous people.

Aaaaand again, editing your post so you can post different games, who would have thought, lol. You already proved the point, the i3 holds its own, as already been stated.

I think what sirsquishy was getting at is the testing was quite limited. Also offering varied results for each cpu.

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

It is up to you… but i have both.
The point is that DX9 is bottleneck for every new CPU. And yes FX at 5.0-5.1Ghz will beat i7 3.9Ghz. I guest that if if you hawe haswell at 4.5Ghz you need FX at least at 5.5 Ghz or higher

http://gamegpu.ru/rpg/rollevye/wasteland-2-test-gpu.html
interesting right? I am not saying that FX is better buy than i5, i wanted to buy broadwell for this game, but i wont because like i said DX9 is to big bottleneck here.

Ok seriously, stop bringing up random games in the forums… Jesus christ, you do it every time so you can sit on your AMD fanboy throne by saying “OH MY FX 4xxx BEATS ANY i7!!!!!!!!! All I have to do is overclock it to 349081329054 GHz”. It is NOT interesting to see a random game that has nothing to do with GW2.

But now you have all these cpus in each different post you make, if it were true to begin with you would actually be using a 3770k and recommending the obvious go-to for this game… First you say 4GHz, then 4.5, now it’s 5.0 so a FX-6300 can beat an i7 3770k?? An 6300 will not touch an i7-3770k. BUT, since you insist on using a link YOU gave us, what is this?

[url]]http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/http--www.gamegpu.ru-images-new-msi-test-wl_2_proz.jpg[/url]

The i3 beats the FX-6300 on average fps by 3, so it has 1 less minimum fps, it has more average. So your point is moot, interesting right?

The i3 will perform better in GW2 than the 6300, what’s your point? It sounds like you get your info from TekSyndicate :/

Btw, an FX-6300 will not beat a stock 3770k sitting at 3.9 GHz :/

Pick up a laptop cooling pad. I think Xigmatek makes a decent looking steel mesh one, and Xigmatek fans have done great for me in the past as well in regards to their HSFs.

As far as your OP link goes, while I’m not a fan of AMD’s lackluster FX line of cpus, your build looks pretty solid all-around, except I would spend $6 more to get the 2GB version of the ASUS 7790, as GW2 can easily eat up over 1GB if you play with remotely decent settings.

ASUS 7790 2GB

If you had the money to stretch for the i3 mentioned though, that would probably be my personal route, as stock for stock it will hold it’s own, and the 1150 socket will allow you to upgrade in the future to an i5 or i7 with ease if you wish it, simply replace the cpu and done for an even larger performance boost.

Future proofing, is a word thrown around a LOT in tech forums, but the reality is, there is no such thing as future proofing, as technology advances at such a pace, it simply does not exist. If you want the MOST for your money, you spend the most you can (within a reasonable budget that you have of course) to get current HIGH end parts, and hope it lasts before upgrading once more. A GTX 780 for example will last much longer and at higher resses than say grabbing a GTX 760 and hoping to play newer games at reasonable settings.

EDIT
That i3 btw, you can check out over at Bit-Tech,
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/11/14/intel-core-i3-4130-haswell-review/5

It’s numbers are quite favorable.

o.O He listed his vid card Behe, the Visiontek 4350. It is an AMD Radeon card.

Ok that makes sense then, any luck with the ingame settings?

Your vid card while perhaps not the latest, is more than enough for GW2. Your cpu will be the weakest link in this game.

Channels inner Bee
Ok, the issue is that you aren’t using Mantle which I can implement since I’m a software dev and I GOT THIS!!! The other issue is also that you are an intelfanboi so that’s why your fps is bad and you don’t have an FX-4300 that totally beats an i5 in Archage which is why Crytek is superior.
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But seriously, your vid card is more than fine for GW2. You CAN upgrade to something more modern if you are aiming at better numbers in games like Metro Last Light, Bioshock Infinite, Crysis 3, etc. But you have a good setup, it’s just that this game is so cpu dependent it is absolutely nuts.

First thing’s first, what do you mean you have 2 accounts, but you play your account on his account? GuildWars 2 does not have a “buddy” account system, so I’m a little confused there, BUT, for your issue, log onto YOUR account, get ingame on your primary character you have the issue with, press Escape, go to your graphic settings, and click on the High preset and click Confirm or whatever at the bottom. See if things start to look how they should.

Now’s the time to check out some even better quality mechanical boards Perfect time to fill that need to spend on companies that have been doing Mechanical for a long time xD

Filco Majestouch, Ducky Shine 3, Max Nighthawk, Max Blackbird, Topre, etc.

Let me put this out for OP, there is no real future proofing when it comes to technology. What you need to do is find a CURRENT setup that does exactly what you want it to do now and in the near future (games, etc).

Such as if you purchased a 7870 and expected to play new titles on High/Ultra at reasonable frames, you would be disappointed. Make sure you get everything you want, similar to a car purchase, why waste money on absolute needs then be disappointed later on. Good example is I purchased a 370z a while back, sadly not so nice as a daily driver and ended up losing money from selling it to pick up an M3. Why use this as an example? The car met my needs but I was sketchy on the luxury comforts so I cheaped out and got a plain sport package, now compared to the M3 I have NO idea why I wasted money on the 370 with all the daily driving comfort I am offered now with the power I also wanted. Same can be applied to pc parts, get what you WANT, even if it means saving just a little more.

With the 3570k, just grab a Cooler Master 212 Evo. I advise against those all in one coolers as they are junk. The only ones remotely decent you are looking at $100~, and even then the cheapo pumps are prone to failure.

As far as 60FPS… Depends whats going on, no matter what cpu you have dont expect 60 fps in wvw zergs, etc

Wouldn’t bother upgrading your setup. As far as IPS vs TN, how about the best of both worlds? A PLS panel which would be superior to IPS and allow overclockability. A QNIX QX2710 will be what Im referring to.

Now, having said that I myself do own the ASUS VG248QE, BenQ XL2411T, Yamakasi Catleap Q270, Achieva Shimian QH270, and QNIX QX2710. The IPS and PLS are absolutely beautiful panels that I cannot recommend enough with my QNIX able to do over 120Hz, but since the majority of my gaming is FPS, the ASUS VG248QE and BenQ XL2411T cannot be beat for smoothness.

If purchasing IPS, I really recommend looking at PLS instead since it offers IPS color quality with TN refresh.

Your i5 will be the grunt for GW2 as far as fps goes.

Clarify, “shuts off”, what exactly happens..

Don’t install bloatware to get rid of bloatware, pro tip.

If it were MY laptop, I would go to the ASUS website, download the ASUS N56VZ drivers, place them on a thumb drive, reformat Windows so no ASUS b.s software is installed or Norton, or any other piece of crap. Then, roll from your own fresh install with NO bloat, install your drivers + programs YOU want.

Henri Blanche.8276:

Without knowing the details of your system it’s difficult to determine what would work best for you and how much of an fps increase you would enjoy. One thing is certain, GW2 benefits from CPU power more than GPU power.

The logical next step for you would be to advance to a Sandy Bridge E chip. Assuming this is even compatible with your system the 3930K is the best chip that fits within your budget. Also, don’t forget the advantages of overclocking so long as you can keep your system cool enough.

That’s not very logical, in fact, rather illogical. The logical step if you want to jump ahead in platforms, would be the 4930k…. The ACTUAL logical step however, would be that if he runs a 2600, he should look at a 4770k and accompanying motherboard to overclock with.

The 2600 is not very overclockable, quite limited really. If he had a 2600k I would say just push to 4.5GHz and roll with that unless he has the upgrade itch.

What I was getting at is that they held an F rating there. So what I’m saying is, just be weary/careful.

Truth be told ASUS makes quality PRODUCT, ASUS itself however in regards to customers is a different story. ASUS held for quite a long time, an F rating at the Better Business Bureau. Suddenly this past year, it jumped from an F to an A…. My thoughts are honestly that ASUS paid to get their rating bumped, as I’m sorry, you don’t just go from being an F-rate customer service to A in the span of a month.

That being said, ASUS is well known for it’s RMA horror stories taking well over 3months for many individuals. Their RMA department is one of the worst in the business, but aside from that they do have good product, which makes it troubling choosing ASUS. You either want quality with lack of support, or another company’s product such as Gigabyte which is renowned for support alongside their quality product.

Of course, and if you need any help you can post here or even look at youtube for pc building, there are thousands of videos on youtube showing how if there is a part that gets you confused.

VEXILLE.5947:

sobe.4157:

Would you be willing to simply build it yourself? For $1500 you should be able to piece together a nice setup…

Just as a quick example,
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2WDj2

That will be far superior to either of the above systems and allow you to max out all current games on the market with ease. Although, it does not include a copy of Windows, but you should be able to pick that up for an additional $60 – $90.

Cool Thank You for the info and part list on a build its bin a long time since I built a pc so I’m a bit rusty
And yes I also play other grafix intense games
Also do you know any good sits for building a pc
I have heard about
http://www.ibuypower.com
And
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com
But I don’t know how good of a rep they have

If you absolutely don’t want to build it yourself, I would go with CyberPowerPC as my personal preference. Have seen far too many issues with iBuypower.

I would still advise building yourself really, but it’s up to you on that front. For the exact same setup that I showed you (including case, etc. even), CyberPower offers it for $1,928 with $75 shipping and no operating system.

Nearly a $500 difference just to have it prebuilt, just seems like a waste of money to me is what I’m getting at. For the build I gave you, you could take off the Samsung 840 EVO SSD and replace that cost with a copy of Windows, but in all honesty I can’t stand not having an SSD in my main pc. It’s like using a quality mechanical keyboard when you’ve been using rubber domes most of your life, the switch to mechanical is absurdly amazing.

Anyway, if you do indeed play many graphic intensive titles, definitely take a look at the GTX 780, it is the current best for price/performance @ around $500 for reference boards.

Your speeds definitely look great to the area, try pinging the server as mentioned above ^

If there’s a bad node you are hitting from your ISP to the GW2 server, you will be able to see a large spike in latency.

My build was aimed at an all-around setup, if he’s wanting to spend $1,500 JUST for GW2 that’s a bit absurd, but my build will allow him to max out all current modern titles, which is what I assumed he was wanting due to his budget. If just GW2 I would drop to a 4670k, pick up a Phantek TC14PE air cooler (performs better than the D14 for same price bracket), and drop the vid card to the aforementioned 760. The PSU could be upgraded or changed to a Seasonic X650 for a more efficient unit, however, 650watts is more than enough for current and future single GPU builds.

I just don’t know if I would ever pay that much for a prebuilt though, maybe $500 per unit or less for workstation units, but nothing more than office pcs.

Would you be willing to simply build it yourself? For $1500 you should be able to piece together a nice setup…

Just as a quick example,
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2WDj2

That will be far superior to either of the above systems and allow you to max out all current games on the market with ease. Although, it does not include a copy of Windows, but you should be able to pick that up for an additional $60 – $90.

As far as the lag goes, just run a speed test to Houston, TX just for certainty to the server location (running a speedtest anywhere else would be pointless). Also, run a ping trace to the server IP, which would check for possible anomalies somewhere down the line.

Sorry about your discharge, I’m an Active Duty veteran myself.