Guild Wars 2

Creslin.1758:

They really aren’t that hard to get…it costs like probably less than 2g per piece of exotic gear if you can craft…and it’s megaeasy to max out a crafting skill.

You can just buy items at a low buy price and then sell them at a higher sell price to get the money, then you’re done. I have nearly full exotic, and I think I’ve done maybe a total of 5 or 6 dungeon runs…rest almost all WvW…no farming at all.

2g per piece is around 2h of grind per piece. 2 weapons, 6 armors and 5 jewelry we are at 22g (more than that actually,most exotics cost more than 2g). Then add in the superior runes which for some cost a LOT.

And then, after all that time you decide that this full berzerk set is kinda squishy for dungeons and you need something else XD

Creslin.1758:

They actually never said this. People are just misinterpreting what Colin said. He said that gear that takes an unreasonable amount of time to achieve should not offer statistical advantage.

This is the reasoning people took :
- gear that takes an unreasonable amount of time to achieve (Legendaries) should not offer statistical advantages
- legendary stats = exotic stats
- legendaries are the BiS possible items

Ergo, exotics are the BiS possible items. That reasoning isn’t difficult to understand. In fact, they have to upgrade the legendary stats to make their treadmill plan work.

Creslin.1758:

You may choose not to see it, but there IS gear progression at 80. If there wasn’t, then there would just be one gear quality, and that’s it. So long as Ascended gear does not take a ridiculous amount of time to achieve, then I see no real problem.

What part of the “informed decision” did you fail to read? Anybody that spends money at level 80 for some green was doing it knowing perfectly well that it wasn’t the best. Also, buying non exotic level 80 gear should probably be considered stupid because it’s far more expensive to reskin :p

So long as the existence of Ascended gear means I dropped 250k karma and 15g down the drain into planed obsolescence exotics without any warning, I’ll be complaining.

Creslin.1758:

Still not seeing it.

If gear progression is the antithesis of GW2, then answer me…why does exotic gear exist? Why does rare gear exist? Gear progression is ALREADY IN GW2. There is really no disputing this.

White gear is for level 1-5. Blue for 5-30, green for 30-65, rare for 65-79 and exotics for 80. Playing with rares at level 80 is like playing with lower level gear you still didn’t replace.

Spending my money/karma to buy a rare set at level 79 is myself doing some informed (but probably foolish) decision about spending my money in something I know I’ll have to replace soon. Buy a brand new exotic set using gold and karma to have a secondary build last week is myself getting punished for trusting that ArenaNet wouldn’t just obsolete all my gear with a stupid gear treadmill.

Btw, there’s supposed to be a HUGE update tomorrow or something. Better get ready for it

tkalamba.2541:

There is still the acquisition gap between Exotic and Legendary. You can get your full set of Exotic gear at 80 within a few days after hitting max level, but will take forever to get a Legendary.

Ascended gives players something to work towards between Exotic and Legendary, it closes the gap in acquisition time. Exotic gear is flawed, its too easily acquired. They wanted something that players in the end game could work towards getting as a final step. This in turn gives the end game some aspect of length vs. having the final gear so quickly. You get all your exotic, then what do you do? Sure you can explore, you can go for new skins but alot of people already rushed for map completion, and dungeons can get boring. This gives you yet another option to work towards. If Exotics took longer to get, they wouldn’t have had to add these items. Besides, with the slow trickle of Ascended items being released, most players wouldnt have an issue of obtaining some of it.

I find exotic already too hard to farm by itself, especially if you want a variety of stats to try a variety of builds.

Any resource (time, money, mats) you put into an Ascended item is resource you didn’t put into a Legendary, thus delaying the acquisition of the later even more. I don’t see how it helps.

Caran.3217:

Edit: Just like the one posted above

I like my suggestion more : https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/An-Ascended-implementation-that-pleases-everone/first

:D

Unless you login once every two weeks, you shouldn’t be getting a 200 MB update each time. You should try checking your PC status (memory, hard disk, possible spyware?) something is fishy there.

UnderdogSMO.9428:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/22/Ascended_example.png

that Ascended Ring may have 50+ power

but that Exotic with the use of that ruine has +63 power all together

The Ascended Ring has 68 power.

tkalamba.2541:

The gap has nothing to do with stats, but the time investment from getting a exotic vs a Legendary. You can get your full set of Exotic armour in about 3 days after hitting level 80. Likely sooner if you knew what you were doing, solely through regular play. Legendaries on the other hand require a rather large time/resource investment. There is such a large gap inbetween. They are giving players something to work towards in the end game. I had all my exotic (minus jewellery, never bothered) before I even finished my personal story.

There is plenty of exotics in the game that cost a LOT to make and are a LOT better looking than any other existing exotic though. Why couldn’t they advertise those more or create new ones?

Recklessone.7142:

Plus… ITS FREE! Arena is giving us new content for no extra cost…

I’ve got a free kick in the balls for you. Not refundable, not optional. Here take.

tkalamba.2541:

You wont need to worry, there are benefits and disadvantages to Ascended gear. They cannot be custom tailored to your build as they cannot be upgraded which means no sigils or runes in armour or weapons of Ascended quality. Exactly the same as unique weapons in Gw1

You haven’t seen a single ascended armor or weapon yet. What makes you think that when ArenaNet upgrades current legendaries people own to ascended and infusable status, they’d lose their sigil on the spot? Now talk about having people complain.

- ArenaNet wants a new item tier that is harder to get than Exotic and better. Some people want that too.
- Some people are annoying about having to refarm more gear and the waste that was the now useless exotic sets they got

It IS possible for them to create the Ascended tier set without annoying half their player base in the process. They need to make Ascended items better than Exotics, but without giving them better stats. And they need to make it so that players don’t feel like they got scammed buying their current Exotics.

Step 1 : ascended items do not cause all exotics to lose their value
- provide a fluid upgrade path for any current level 80 exotic to Ascended category.
- make it so that every single Ascended item in the game comes from such upgrade path. The Ascended item created will be mostly identical to the base Exotic used except that part where the jewelry loses the gem slot.

With that part, you can contend everyone that felt like they are losing their hard work getting Exotics by making it a required step to reach that new item tier. Now, all the old content isn’t obsolete at all.

Step 2 : ascended items do not obsolete the exotics stat wise
- Ascended items have the same stats as exotics so that nobody feels like some required gear treadmill was added. But then, why bother getting Ascended items?

Step 3 : they have the same stats, but they are better anyway
- The new dungeon requires infusions only if you want to go into repeat mode on them no? You can still farm them all just by repeating difficulty level 0 instead of increasing it at each pass? Infusion would be only required for players that want to go as far as they can. Only Ascended items can get infusion.
- Problem : will that be enough to content the treadmill addicts? Good question. Need to add some kind of reward for going deeper and deeper I guess, but not something people feel like they’ll be missing on it by not doing them. Maybe increasing the money and karma reward the deeper you are?
- Even that might not be enough? There are ways to make Ascended items far better than Exotics without power creep.
- Maybe make it so that Ascended items can have their rune/sigil removed without breaking anything?
- Even better, make it so that you can insert a new stat set into any Ascended item without having to farm a new one. Example, buy from the TP from a crafter a stack of “Berzerker Insigna” for a moderate price, apply them to your Ascended gear and now, it’s got Power/Precition/Crit Damage stats. Want some defensive values now? Use the “Invader Insigna” you bought for a couple WvWvW tokens and bam, Power/Toughness/Vitality gear.

And if you got other ideas, feel free to mention them. Something about the ability to move armor skins around without losing items maybe?

Baron Von Graymouse.7801:

Its funny that most people people where complaining and upset that Legendary weapons had the same stats that the exotics have and that the Legendary weapons are only a cosmetic change. Well, Anet listened and now they are finally making Legendary weapons the way they should have been in the first place. Legendary weapons are suppose to be the most powerful items in the game. Not some re-skinned exotic weapons. I applaud Anet for this! With the introduction to Ascended items it puts the Exotics lower on the totem pole where they belong. Underneath Ascended/Legendary items. All these guys that are saying they are going to stop playing will still be playing the game it may not be this month or the next but I bet my bottom gold piece if you track those that said they are going to be quitting they will still be around. So, stop your belly aching and enjoy the new content.

In before people complain that legendaries have the same stats than Ascended.

HiddenNick.7206:

One more thing… Does anyone know how is the ting acquired?

Maybe it is free in some vendor? Or 100% drop after killing certain boss?

You are just being silly…

100% drop after killing a certain boss? Geez, I for sure do NOT feel like the gold I’ve dumped into my new exotic rings was wasted at all. Really.

Hey, I didn’t see that post XD

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Our goal is not to create a gear treadmill. Our goal is to ensure we have a proper progression for players from exotic up to legendary without a massive jump in reward between the two. We will slowly add the remaining ascended gear items and legendary items in future updates to allow people time to acquire them as we add exciting new content that deserves exciting rewards. We will not be adding a new tier of gear every 3 months that we expect everyone to chase after and then get the next set and so on.

With that patch you just obsoleted all the gear I worked for currently. You set us backwards in our goals. How is that not a gear treadmill?

Why is there a need for a step between exotic and legendary that has better stats? Legendary is all about looks and there’s already a lot wicked looking exotics that are take efforts between the cheapest exotics and legendaries to get in the mystic forge. They are wicked looking and still using exotic stats.

Why did you have to make it so that our max stats multiple sets of exotics that cost us tons of gold and karma and WvWvW tokens are now obsolete? Stuff we bought BECAUSE we though they were the best ever.

Naoko.7096:

The suggestion created by the topic starter feels silly.
It’s the first mmo I heard players doesn’t want new content. (facepalm)

Well, it does remind me of the old Star Wars NGE debacle. I’m sure a lot of the 200000 subscribers they had at the time didn’t want that update at all.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2008/06/16/dredging-up-the-past-the-star-wars-galaxies-nge-re-examined/

Celle.2716:

Goals are a good thing. Now you have a new goal. What goals do you have now when your gear is decked out? Legendarys? Senceless grinding for one shiny skin.

I don’t have a new goal. I was calmly walking toward my first goal in the game, I was nearly at the end, like, it was just a couple steps away. And then out of nowhere a wild ArenaNet appeared and gave me a “go back to start do not pass go” card along with a swift kick to the balls just to mark how much of a jerk they are.

And that was just the first goal I had obviously. If I had no other goals, I’d be bored. Once I get the max stat items, I can work on the cosmetic parts. Although I like the later much, there’s no sense going after them in a subobtimal order. Farming for looks first, then farming for stats that would have made all that farming faster isn’t the right way to do it. But now, all that received a big setback.

I am not pleased.

Celle.2716:

The new items are just required for the new dungeonmechanic. they are not worthless. You can pay the game as before with exotics.

They are worthless. My goal is to get the best stat items in the game. Getting those exotics worked to that goal before, getting those exotics now is just a setback to that goal. With that patch ArenaNet transformed all my recent actions in Guild Wars 2 from “going forward towards my goal” into “walking backwards away from my goal”.

Celle.2716:

no. Rewards/outcomes/drops from Leveling, crafting, mapcompletion neither. To run the new dungeon successfully you want to have exotics equipt. The dungeon becomes more difficult further you go.

Speculation. And in all cases I don’t need the multiple exotic sets I have to run that dungeon. The first set was enough. The others are wasted money now.

UnderdogSMO.9428:

you can use said “worthless” exotic to make your not so “worthless” lagandary

I’m not aware of any good way to transform some dungeon bought exotic into a legendary. If you mean that I can use it to farm for that legendary, I’d reply that my exotic Magic Find weapon I had before would be more than adequate for that. And let’s not talk about the rare weapon I had even before.

Celle.2716:

Arenanet buff´s the dungeonrewards also i think, bacause they are NOT stupit and throw there dungeons out of the window.

Can I get back the tokens I wasted buying suboptimal and worthless exotic dungeon items then?

Arnath.2319:

If you want to wear your tin foil hat and make up conspiracy theroys and spend your time hating a company that has produced the best MMO in gaming history with the most amount of content delivered then any other game then go for it. But your behaviour is unhealthy and not welcome in this community.

It’s not conspiracy theories. It’s a matter of trust. I bought that karma exotic armor set because I trusted ArenaNet when they said it was the best quality ever. I bought a second set of exotic jewelry because I trusted ArenaNet when they said it was the best quality ever.

Now, they broke that trust which hurts which is why people are angry. And when they add later “but trust us, it’s the last time we add a new gear tier!”, it doesn’t work, the trust isn’t there anymore.

Stevoli.8795:

If you are referring to the ring in the article, did you notice that the exotic has a blue upgrade on it? While we are speculating, why not include the option that they may be adding exotic upgrades as well.

Exquisite Opal Jewel is an Exotic quality upgrade. Text color has no meaning here.

Stevoli.8795:

I see a whole lot of ifs like this in this thread. People are going ape kitten over speculation. All I’ve read is that ascended gear will be roughly 8% better than BASE stat exotics. Since ascended gear doesn’t have an upgrade slot, the upgrades are built in. That also means ascended gear won’t be as flexible as exotic gear stat wise.

But only fools would take exotic jewelry and put a different rune in them to vary the stats since all crafted jewelry comes with a free gem. Changing it means throwing away a perfectly good gem while you could just get the two earrings of a different type than the rest and get more or less the same stats in the end, cheaper and with more flexibility.

Lomax.2463:

1. There is no stat increase !!!!!! they took away the upgrade slot and put the points that you would have gotten from the upgrade slot into the main stats of the item!
that is right Ascended armor is worse then exotic as it is not as customizable as normal armor!

Basic math (an addition in fact) would show you that the secondary stat on that Ascended magic find ring got from 63 (exotic + jewel) to 68 (total stat on ascended) which is a 8% increase in the stat itself.

camoflaugz.5031:

Why are so many people so concerned, if you dont want to progress in the game then dont.. let people like me and others move forward.

This is a treadmill. You aren’t moving forward, you are staying in the same spot. Your +1 sword will not feel any different once you get to fight the +1 centaurs.

And for us that don’t want to “progress”, it’s because we recognize the treadmill for what it is : a tool that you can either sweat to stay in place or stop and you start moving backwards.

HTXL.2598:

We don’t even know if there will be that set. You’re speculating. You’re overreacting. All of you. Over what? 10-15 kittening points.

Are you adults? Because you don’t seem like it.

There will be that set. for two reasons :
- They are upgrading existing legendary weapons to ascended quality. Those legendaries will NOT become MF based gear when that happens
- They are not giving us full ascended sets and only giving us a single gear type for it, it would wreak gearing diversity.

Oh and if MF/Power/Precision is the only Ascended stat distribution we’ll get, IT’LL STILL MAKE MY MF/POWER/PREC EXOTIC SET OBSOLETE AND A TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY!

HTXL.2598:

Eh?

You guys are worried about damage altogether right? Seems to me, by eyeballing, the one with more dps is the ruby.

Why don’t you compare the ruby ring with the Power/Precision/Crit Damage Ascended ring instead of going on a apples and oranges comparison?

Loosifah.4739:

That’s the thing though, the “best available gear” today isn’t always the “best available gear” tomorrow. Even if it’s just different stats on armor being introduced. If you wanted a set with Power/HP/Condition rather than the set you currently have of Power/HP/Toughness you would still have to get new gear when it came out.

If the meta changes, it changes. It doesn’t make the other gear subpart because the meta will change again and again and might very well pass again by the stuff I already saved.

If the new stuff is exotic+1, there’s no way the exotic+0 will ever become good unless the meta calls for having lower than maximum possible stats which can be done easily by forgetting to put your armor on anyway.

teaspoon.1357:

Am I to assume that all of the people that hate getting new gear so much are still in the gear they hit 80 in? Because if you complain about “being forced” to get new gear in order to stay on par, then you must have hated it then too. Right?

I’m not against getting gear. Heck I’m not even against the concept of slightly more difficult than Exotic gear to get even though it’s far mroe costly than it should to try multiple builds as it is currently.

What I’m against is “kick in the balls” effect where all the work I did to get the best available gear on the promise that it’d remain the best available forever was undone in a single patch and I’m left with some dead weight gear and no money.

ChairGraveyard.2967:

Joiry.2504:

Notice how all the pro-Ascended gear threads (defined by their OP) are not getting merged into this thread, even though they are also basically “thoughts on ascended gear”

Classic “sweep it under the rug” tactics. Not surprising.

But having one huge 5k+ posts in the first page is far more intimidating than a couple 5 posts threads spread here and there.

I’ve got some nice exotic 80 rings to sell to you. Only 2.5g piece. Do you want them?

ZudetGambeous.9573:

3. The added stats on Ascended gear is NOT I repeat NOT a gear treadmill. A gear treadmill is adding in gear with significantly higher stats so you can clear content that is otherwise unclearable without said gear. This is not the case here. Ascended gear is in no way required to beat anything in the game. You can see 100% of the content in the game without ever getting ascended gear. Just like you can currently see 100% of the content in the game without getting exotic gear.

I was using suboptimal gear. I grinded money to get the best gear available. A patch came in and now the best gear available isn’t exotic it’s ascended. The treadmill just sent be back to step one : I am using suboptimal gear.

This is a treadmill.

How much would you pay for an exotic ring + gem before the patch? Around 2.5-3g for an exotic 80. Now that you know there’s a plain better ring available with the only infusion slot required to make the best use out of the new dungeon. How much are you ready to pay to get a 80 exotic ring?

Teva.2807:

alanis.6094:

Most of what you have written here is incorrect.

Please do list what is incorrect.

First it’s 10 stat point and 3% MF per ring.

Raksha.8049:

You want to be able to upgrade straight to Ascended from Exotics? Those same exotics that cost no more then 20 – 30 silver for some on the trade house?

Hmmm, somehow I don’t think that will fly.

Reserve it to the level 80 exotics if you want.

I’d go farther than the suggestion though : make it so that ALL Ascended items require you to upgrade a level 80 exotic to get it.

Myrrdhinn.5627:

Stop whining.. seriously!

I want a refund on the exotic gear I bought at the trading post. When I bought it I was promised it was the best gear available. Now it isn’t anymore.

stonejoint.8740:

This a mid tier between exotic and legendary becasue acquiring extoics is too easy and legendarys too hard.

Acquiring legendaries is too hard so let’s add something worse than them but harder to acquire than exotics and required to enjoy the new content we make. I’m sure having to gind some 20-25g per piece gear after the players grind a 2-3g per piece exotic set will be a great help for them to get legendaries

Hel.6340:

I guess it’s worth pointing out that everyone is speculating on an entire system, with only a handful of paragraphs.
You’re no better than those donkey’s who keep saying the end of the world is “next month”.
Sit back, chill out, and wait and see.

(You can be pretty certain your argument has already been posted in one of the 50+ pages).

What is there to speculate about [img]https://d2vn94glaxzkz3.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Ascended-EN.png[/img]

This ring is better than the one I bought a couple days ago which cost me a few golds. Golds I could have used elsewhere easily had I knew such treadmill content was coming. I’d have been fine using my other exotic set even if the stats weren’t optimal for WvWvW (MF isn’t exactly the best one can get) or getting some rare items instead.

impoc.1795:

stof.9341:

impoc.1795:

well, we won’t know for sure until they release them but according to what we know, the better stats are there to compensate for the fact that the gear has no upgrade slots for runes or sigils

Why does the example ring get plain better stats in all cases than any other ring you can get in the game currently then?

lack of ability to customize as you see fit would be a good one

There’s no customizability in jewelry. You could get the exact same stats to a couple points mixing and matching different kinds of base jewelry than by putting a different jewel in each. Which would even be the smart thing to do since those upgrades aren’t exactly cheap themselves and the crafted jewelry comes with them for “free”.

impoc.1795:

well, we won’t know for sure until they release them but according to what we know, the better stats are there to compensate for the fact that the gear has no upgrade slots for runes or sigils

Why does the example ring get plain better stats in all cases than any other ring you can get in the game currently then?

This is far more than 5 stats more. The example ring was deceitful and chosen exactly for that reason. Explorer gear main stat is magic find so you do not see how much of an increase in the main stat is gotten through the new item tier, you only see the increase to the two secondary stats.

impoc.1795:

so far we only know that the rings come from the dungeon, there is no mention on how we will get armor or when it is coming

So far I know I lost dozens of gold buying some alternate exotic jewelry set because I could just have waited a little on my old set or on some rare set and get the new treadmill gear from that new dungeon which I’m interested to do anyway.

piitb.7635:

They have specifically stated legendary gear will always be best in slot.

Unless of course you reskined your legendary unto some other stat type exotics. You’ll probably not get the new upgraded stats at that point and have to grind some ascended weapon to be on par with all the players that kept their legendary in pristine condition and suddenly got a free stat boost out of nowhere and enjoy a statistical advantage in WvWvW until everyone else grinds their own ascended weapon.

gwawer.9805:

Gear grind is a bad idea because of the grinding part implying the content needed to get the gear is boring and repetitive. But if Anet introduces content that is innovative and has replayability, then I don’t see the problem of adding gear progression along with that content.

People who want fun content gets it. People who want gear progression get it. Everybodys happy.

What about people who spent dozens of gold to get the best gear that got told suddenly that they should have waited and used that gold instead to buy lodestones or some cultural armor set instead because that new dungeon will loot BETTER gear?

hplee.2839:

I think the introduction of the new armor type is good .This will make “I-got-exotics-already-now-i-have-no-goal-or-motivation-to-play” people stays longer.

And make all the “what? I got to regear all my exotic armor sets in that new higher quality? screw it!” people leave on the spot.

Natural.7013:

Half of you are the typical 2012 MMO players that whine when it’s too hard like this should be a sideways console game that gives you everything. The other half is like hell ya bring on real progression. Either way the devs can’t win.

Personally, put more true vertical progression in the game and give it more depth. More depth= good game. more casual=more console/cash shop genre.

I fail to see how adding items with higher stats, thus items making everything in the game easier is more depth. For all that matters, it makes every content designed for the older set of items trivial to complete and thus completely uninteresting to run, thus restricting you to a very limited amount of content at a set time in your GW2 career before you get the next tier of item that makes the next tier of content doable and obsoletes the tier you are currently on.

Zaxares.5419:

Let’s just wait for the official blog post about Ascended gear first before getting out the pitchforks and torches, ’k?

They deserve the pitchfork for their handling of the issue no matter what is said in the blog post.

SiNoS.2147:

It really just depends on how its launched. If its like the infused armor from gw1 then it will have 0 effect in any content that does not have the mobs its designed for.

The way it’s worded, you need a rare subset of a new specific kind of armor to even have the right to “infuse” it. What would you say if you could only infuse obsidian armor in GW1? Because it’s worded to look like it currently.

Melonamen.1275:

I don’t have a problem with people not wanting vertical gear progression. What I’m saying is that we should wait for the blog post before flipping out completely.

It’s ArenaNet’s fault for posting such info that sent the community flipping out in the first place. It’s their way of handling the community that is at fault and shows their community managers are bad at their jobs.

Or maybe they ARE good at their jobs and all that is according to plan. To that I’d say that causing and taking advantage of such negative reactions from the community, and all that on purpose is borderline evil.