Guild Wars 2

league means nothing….no one know elo points so you can have legendary with less elo than an amber, if they are on loosing streak.
second, elo system (i think they use that) take in account the elo point for reward if you are really low elo point and you are against team with very high you lose nothing.

so the matchmaking in a correct elo environment means nothing!

the correct way to handle this I think is show the elo point of everyone, and show the elo point win/lose for both team before match start and remove leagues…

2^30 more or less…so never.

this is why the league system is not working, you need to have only mmr.
the problem with mmr, is the same that was in gw1, after 30-40 matches you reach your skill position, and you can never go up or down.
the only way is : improve yourself or use a better build.

split point by damage, and give the boost to last hit team.

I think that, like gw1 gvg,they need to remove division totally, and base all on mmr.

Witzard.6829:

vulneraria.4865:

Witzard.6829:

MagnusLL.8473:

I don’t get all this QQ and it’s really starting to be annoying.

Yes, we cannot win the point game against Viz. So what? Enter the map with your guild, if we’re holding no point in it all the better, you’ve the easier target already available. Play for 2-3 hours (or however long you want), check the state of the map when you log out, is it better than when you started? Gratz, you won today’s engagement. Forget about Viz and what they do when you’re offline, why do you even care? If they upgraded everything to T3 it’s even better, the higher they are the harder they fall and they DO fall, believe me, if you put the effort in.

What gets me is all the people who proclaimed they are hardcore are the ones who gave up. Apparently nowadays “hardcore” = “I run away if I get kittenslapped more than a couple weeks in a row”. Meh.

I agree with you, but imo this attitude is not rewarding enough. Doing a hell of a job repainting a BL map during prime time should give a LOT more points than what happens at night when we on VS are 20-30 and taking every single ennemy fort with no opposition.

why you play at night against the doors? simply go to sleep…really I can’t understand, you do only for gain points for win the tier…there cannot be other reasons.

I won’t speak for others, but a couple weeks ago (!) playing at night was completely different than playing during the day/prime time.
You basically had always the same 10-20 people covering all 4 maps, we were far less stressed and encountering around the same number of opponent. That means nice little skirmishes, joking, playing drunk etc.

Now as VS started getting a huge coverage, it’s quite different. PvD must be the easyest way to level your alts, farm WXP. It’s no fun at all, true, but sadly it’s the way the game is supposed to be played, even if there is no opponent to hold the towers. Caping is part of the game, just like killing, and you can’t deny people the right to play at night.
If it can make you feel better, you can know it’s really boring, but once more, I haven’t done a night in a couple of weeks.

I know that is really boring, we was t4-t5, then we go near t1 and we drop again, and then we grow up till t1 again, during this time we have had some NA guild that hold all the map during the night, but you cannot level up when all the map is yours! no tower or camp to cap, no badge to farm.
when i see all the map of my color I go back to pvp or pve.

Witzard.6829:

MagnusLL.8473:

I don’t get all this QQ and it’s really starting to be annoying.

Yes, we cannot win the point game against Viz. So what? Enter the map with your guild, if we’re holding no point in it all the better, you’ve the easier target already available. Play for 2-3 hours (or however long you want), check the state of the map when you log out, is it better than when you started? Gratz, you won today’s engagement. Forget about Viz and what they do when you’re offline, why do you even care? If they upgraded everything to T3 it’s even better, the higher they are the harder they fall and they DO fall, believe me, if you put the effort in.

What gets me is all the people who proclaimed they are hardcore are the ones who gave up. Apparently nowadays “hardcore” = “I run away if I get kittenslapped more than a couple weeks in a row”. Meh.

I agree with you, but imo this attitude is not rewarding enough. Doing a hell of a job repainting a BL map during prime time should give a LOT more points than what happens at night when we on VS are 20-30 and taking every single ennemy fort with no opposition.

why you play at night against the doors? simply go to sleep…really I can’t understand, you do only for gain points for win the tier…there cannot be other reasons.

you play during the night, you stay in queue for 2h, you fight against the doors, only for win.
you really deserve n1.GJ.

Leorcyn.1063:

Danielle.3152:

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English is not my first language, so some things might have come out the wrong way, my apologies.
I didn’t want to use RG as “RG only”, it was just an example of guilds with the similar mindset. I understand what you are looking for and I realize that you think t1 can’t offer what you’re looking for.
Even tho some might argue that guilds like WL or LNM (guilds I personally put in the same category as yours : highly skilled, looking for more than just points) are quite happy with VS and its 2hrs+ queues.
It’s sad for us on VS, because we liked a strong opposition better, but as it’s been said over and over, opposition on the long term comes with PUs, and you need something to help them structure. Sadly none of the other major EU forces took time to do so ; we’re now left alone with ourselves.

you are alone because noone can do what you have do on VS, only german can move all the www player on one server and probably destroy VS..but they don’t want to do this, couse they must suffer too high queue time.
so probably you will be alone forever.

in my opinion there is only one solution, do like german, split on all your server, use these week with no enemy in www and farm gold, move at least half of your manpower to other FR server.

we cannot manage all the pug like you, we have barrier language, half of my guild cannot understand english, we cannot manage a commander for every european language 24/24 online.

bow to every SFR commander that lead in english, and run with all our pugs.

Oresh.4729:

i don’t get it. how can t1 us and t1 eu be so different?

simply VS cap all the map during the night, and defend it with max number in every map during the day, try this in us, it work!

don’t know if you can bring 50 ppl (25 vs 25) in a gvg arena, seems more like gw1, where you need few ppl for be top guild.
guilds that wants large fight in open field don’t go in a arena.

Witzard.6829:

vulneraria.4865:

yes SFR win with few organized guild, against the numbers of VS, but for do this we need to don’t have queue, and the free transfer and lag destroy this way to fight, actually without these guilds we can fight only with numbers, but we don’t have.

I still think that our pugs leaded by nice commander are superior to vizuna pugs

You seem to forget that VS, because of its high population level, always has queue. All guilds are limited in the number of people they can take out on raid night :/

jdkL.4520:

Good summary. I saw that “call to arm”, and think people forgot about it too quickly.
While I agree about free transfer, I still don’t get why you mention lag. It’s affecting both sides, I’m having fun trying to land a good hammer stun with lag + 20fps.

I didn’t mention lag, because it inflicts the same boredom and frustration to all servers.

yes probably VS have the same problem, but you cannot compare the best VS guilds with the best SFR guilds…we lose all our power without them, we have had a guild based server, actually all we can do is transform SFR in a server based server like you.

with all these posts i don’t want to say that VS is a bad server, that is ruin t1…I really want to stay in t1 if we can manage, and really try to beat VS and hoping SFR can play like VS.

jdkL.4520:

Good summary. I saw that “call to arm”, and think people forgot about it too quickly.
While I agree about free transfer, I still don’t get why you mention lag. It’s affecting both sides, I’m having fun trying to land a good hammer stun with lag + 20fps.

basically a guild of 20 vs 40 pug need to cast all the skill coordinated on ts for win that fight, if you have lag and you can only press ‘1’ there is no way for the guild to beat the pugs.

lag is like a bad soccer field, bad for both team but, for tecnically strong player is very bad.

Witzard.6829:

Don’t forget one thing, put yourself in VS shoes.

Let’s go back 2 months ago. VS is dominating WvW, and a server is created in order to counter and crush it, namely SFR. They do great actually, and manage to win several time.
At that time, there is a general call to arm on VS side, and we come back more motivated than ever. And then … Anet patches the game. Huge blobs on all sides. SFR wounded by the free transfer.
But VS did less suffer from it than the other T1 servers i think. We always had queue, but also “educated pugs”, who’ll follow the lead, and, even if they’re maybe not as efficient as a guild raid, they still do pretty good.
And now SFR falls.
But on VS side, we just got re-motivated, and suddenly we don’t have any opposition left (as a matter of speach this isn’t technically true, but with a lot of great guilds leaving SFR/Deso, VS adapting to the patch while SFR/Deso take more time or people leave the server because they’re more looking for GvG instead of the actual WvW, the opposition is greatly diminished). So what now ? VS carries on with the call to arm momentum, and finds demoralised ennemies to fight. Hence a vicious circle, the more VS wins, the less Deso/SFR want to play.

I don’t think VS deserves all the bashing there is on these forums. Blame Anet for the patch / free transfer, blame the absence of actual GvG, blame the way WvW is designed, but I don’t see how you can blame a server for playing and winning.

In my honest opinion, tomorrow’s update and the introduction of GvG’s arena will be a nice solution to this whole WvW problem, a lot of WvW guilds will finally be able to do the GvG they were looking for in WvW.

And as for the tier 1/2 not mixing, a week or two, and there will be atleast one transfer T1>2 and vice-versa.

yes SFR win with few organized guild, against the numbers of VS, but for do this we need to don’t have queue, and the free transfer and lag destroy this way to fight, actually without these guilds we can fight only with numbers, but we don’t have.

I still think that our pugs leaded by nice commander are superior to vizuna pugs

Mighty Ice Arrow.9268:

Come on guys we need contributions for the improvement of WWW (Magnus LL yours are very good and a good manual for some commanders/players to read).

There are here several inputs here that Anet can use in order to improve WWW. Let’s all have a little patience, us and Deso, we are trying to rebuild, and takes some time to do that.

During rebuild time lets have fun, it’s still possible to play well and have fun. I had some great moments in EB during this weekend. I missed to play with Hjerim, and he was missing to play with us, he did a fantastic work with our pug army. We still have so many great commanders (I have to play more to Drq), guilds and players that stayed, and want to share watt they know with people.

I know that it’s very hard to start to play in the morning, when the map belongs to the enemy; I have lots of respect for you guys (last night I left a golem for you guys in EB starting area, to help you little), but right now, there is nothing we can do. If you are mad, just play better and better = follow commander, go TS, try to get as many points as you can. Coming here and bashing the enemy will not give us any points.

All to TS (if you need help feel free to go the TS in other maps, and see if anyone can help), you don’t need to speak, you can turn Wemil music off…I do:)

I think SFR is still stronger then VZ, even without all the bandwagon guilds that left SFR.
we really only need all the ppl on TS and few commanders (at least 1 every BL) online at least 18h on 24h, that can lead all like the commanders that actually do that.
yesterday we have painted all 75% of our map in blue.

our pugs are on the map, they need a leader and go to on TS, then the work is done, killing vizuna is the easiest part.

Witzard.6829:

Grok.6714:

The thing is that you are more used to this then SFR is. You were doing this for a longer time, your players and commanders are playing this new meta very well.
Yesterday on Deslation BL , when you were attacking bay you got LMN blob joining up with MoS+ over 9000 randoms…we wouldnt see our own walls because of the red nameplates.

This new meta has hit SFR pretty hard and combined with the Arena-net free transfer decision ( both came at the same time ) was a hard punch, since those guilds we relied on couldnt get their raids in.

But lets see how this tunrs out.

I too am afraid that until they change something , blobs are here to stay.

I hope people will realise roaming is vital and huge blobs will turn to medium blob + 3-4 roaming groups

as I have say SFR have used that way to win 5 times in a row, blob vs few strong guilds will always lose, but we need to have these strong guilds in the border with no queue.

Xispeo.1706:

Witzard.6829:

Chicho Gosho.6507:

Leorcyn.1063:

Katiechops.6807:

Yeah shame on him for not knowing ANet were going to allow free transfers to No1 server in EU at the same time and giving WvW rewards and turn it to mince…

Yeah yeah, whatever makes you feel safe about yourself.
Other servers got no PUGs.

Queues jumped from 30-40 mins primetime to 3-4 hours. I’d say thats a pretty huge increase in pugs. Let’s see what they’ll do now when we’re losing.

Do you really think it’s different in other T1 servers ?
Can’t say for Deso, but on VZ we got pretty much 2hours+ queue from 18h00 to midnight. Everyday.
And it has been going this way for weeks.

On VZ it took me 1 month to succeed to discover & play WvW because of the waiting queue, I didn’t know WvW before and felt in love of this gameplay. Then I understood the need to connect early to get the chance to have a slot. At the beginning I even remember waiting during the whole evening and never being able to join EB even after 4h of waiting queue.

the problem is that VZ and desolation iron use the number to win, so if you are in queue is not a problem another like you is in the blob.
on SFR we use organized small guild with specific build, if half of that guild is in queue no one can fill that void, so for VZ the queue is an advantage, if you are in queue means that your blob is running around, if i’m in queue is a guardian less in my guild needed for our tactic, and we cannot train a pug in 2 mins for fill my role.

now seems that have few powerfull guild is far better than VZ blob (we have win 5 t1 in row in this way) but actually we can’t do that anymore (ty anet).

we can do an agreement if you french don’t want to fight US guild or you are tired to wake up at 4am.

we freeze www at 2am, and we start again at 2pm. maybe in that 12 hours we fight only for camps or we fight only in EB.

is ok? think that is fair.
we can let every servers take the whole homeland or we just freeze the situation at 2am.

some posts are very fun here.
VZ that say to blacktide :hey you are nightcappers!
they stay in nr1 position for long time due nightcapper.
BT guilds that say that fights are boring.
Hey you joined the strongest server for an easy win! now u complain that is too easy?
want an hard fight? go lonley to vabbi and bring them nr1.

Rednik.3809:

So Deso destiny wont teach you anything? Dont seek external help to cover nightshift, rise your own night/morning team instead, it will be alot more stable and reliable.

easy for a guild that cover 9 time zone and have gain the external help of 100 EU bandwagon guild.

even with 9 time zone covered :

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/2

:D

actually in T1 no one can beat BT due to time coverage, and no one can have that time coverage in a EU server because no one can have a guild like Xaoc.
the only way is let Xaoc alone on BT. so they can morning cap but they will have hard time in primetime. We have beat them when they don’t have all the bandwagon guilds from other servers.
btw, the best match in europe is T2.

a question, if you are european guild that love the fight, why go on a NA server where you do PvD?
the best NA guilds play 6 hours after you…

so if a server have the lead, they simply do not enter in www anymore and the score is frozen till the end?

as I have say before this match start BT have a morning team that no one have, this team let them start with huge advantage primetime, and they have now a nice primetime (some bandwagon and some strong guilds)…actually no one can beat BT, even 1000 NA guilds.
Even SFR that beat Xaoc few weeks ago now don’t have a single chance against BT.
for that T1 matchs are totally unfair, and very boring…and as I said T2 is far far intresting than T1.
as a german guys says before no one really want to go in T1…no one want to start his primetime from spawning camp.

again…you can’t make a picture of an istant and say we are winning!

you need to look at the trend, if they start from 600 0 0 at 14 CET, and at 20 CET are 300 250 150 and at 22 are all tie, u can’t say that first server is winning prime time. the first server is loosing!

yes i suppose xaoc are mostly CET +4 but few siberian are enough for take all the empty map, i don’t think all xaoc players wake up in the morning for cap the map.

btw, i think too that BT will win, i have betted 1 copper on them

Scryar.2954:

At least the “morning cappers” of blacktide are russians and its actually morning in their timezone. So they deserve to be there. Same for Vizunah. Desolation are only there because of your guild op avoiding competive pvp and preferring to fight against european gates . Desolation is far away from being one of the “best” servers.
Good luck to Blacktide and Vizunah

russia have like 9 time zones, in siberia is not morning when in EU the sun rise.
Xaoc is like ruin, at least Xaoc don’t have dedicated server so is natural for them play on EU servers.

I bet 1 copper on BT. morning>night>primetime.
all depends on how fast xaoc can take and upgrade ruin empty keep.

looking the income is clear the french severs have best primetime here, remember that they have to fight every day from the spawn point against probably full upgraded keep.
We fight deso prime time and french server prime time, i really don’t need a graph for say that french primetime is far better than deso prime time.

btw this is 24h game, VS lead till now nightcapping other servers, now deso have the best night crew ans is nr1 in the ladder, but that don’t mean that they are the best server.probably VS too was not the best server.

it’s fun…all here to say that will be a great fight BT vs Deso but this really will not happen.
these servers are in T1 (or will be) thanks to americans and russian that have few or no hours in primetime to share, so russian will bash door like american, i don’t think these will be ‘so amazing’ match.
and a bunch of bandwagon guilds from eu will show a totally unorganized fight in primetime due to queue and the low level of most of them. probably owned by french server during primetime.
I think i will follow T2 next week, and fight in T3.

sun rise at least 6 hour earlier in Russia than in Italy… I don’t think this can be callad uncomfortable.
simply on every server (us or eu) Xaoc will have a nice pvd

this is not for cry, the world is made in this way, 2 weeks ago we have win against xaoc, first because they don’ have enough EU guilds for reduce our points in their nights, second because the 3rd server is the spansh one (south american too) that reduce xaoc points during our night.
actually they have some EU guilds that can hold a little bit more, and we have e german server that fight in our time reducing our point.

so GL to Xaoc I hope you beat Deso!

in the last 2 days we have had finally some good fight against germans in evening EU time, dunno why they sleep monday and tuesday.
next week we will face 2 german servers so it will be a nice EU battle.

far who post screen at example 20 CET where BT have some influence in the map that means nothing you need to know how is before and how is after .

example (i take riverside is not related to this matchup) if riverside have this trend :
1300 pt 50
1400 pt 90
1500 pt 100
1600 pt 150
1700 pt 180
1800 pt 170
1900 pt 190
2000 pt 200
2100 pt 230
2200 pt 280
2300 pt 320
0000 pt 380
0100 pt 400
0200 pt 410

for me riverside is a winning server from 13 to 02.
if you take picture at 20, you can say, riverside at primetime is not so good server!
but that is not true! riverside is winning, they start in a bad shape and they go up a little every hour, so they are playng better then others.

then they go to sleep and at 0400 they go back to 50, till 1300.

ok they are 3rd because 3/4 of the day are under 200 pt, but half of the day they are substantially winning their match up.

Ianervan.3415:

vulneraria.4865:

first we don’t have any us guild, maybe AO but they are 10 ppl…

You might want to get more updated data. More like 3+ guilds and AO has way more than that. It is not good manners to belittle your own guilds and their accomplishments. These guilds, as well as EU nightcappers, give you half the points. I for one have nothing against these guilds, and it’s fair to state they are doing well.

second, usually we have dinner at 20 CET so our guilds events fully start at 21-22 CET and last 3-4 hours more or less, that usually EU prime time…for spanish and portuguese is even later

So you have 2 hour dinner. That prevents you from owning in prime time. Ok.
Spanish and Portuguese don’t share a timezone. Spain is CET as well.

1 am is the end of prime time in west europe.

No, it’s not. 23hr is. Prime time is supposed to be time when most people play.

never seen more than 10 AO in WWW maybe they switch border when we go in.
and other guilds tag?

you need travel a little more across the europe, 20 cet is for north italian ppl in the south is even later, sure spain in cet too but their life is pratically on GMT look at EU map and you can understand why.

with this i don’t wanna say that all our guild start so late, a lot of them start at 18 to play, they need to slowly conquer all the map against 2 full servers, is not easy.(maybe you don’t know beacause xaoc do it for you, vs empty keep)

btw, BT have 6 hours advantage on SFR due Xaoc time zone, we have 2 hours advantage due crazy SFR EU players (cocaine addicted), you will win, is ok.

but give us Xaoc and we go tier 1! we don’t need US anymore!

Ianervan.3415:

vulneraria: “but in the end SFR EU prime time is better. at the end of EU prime time 0000-0100 GMT all belong to SFR.”
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Snort, are you reading this? I think your screenshots cannot contend with imagination.

Basically, screenshots show SFR losing 9/10 times between what, 6pm to 23hr, which is pretty much EU prime time.

Between 23hr (CET) and 01 CET, it is not EU prime time. It is US prime time. And since SFR had some US guilds transfer over to their server, they obviously have a huge point lead in US prime time. So between 23-4am CET, yes SFR is leading. It’s the only time when they’re leading actually – when Europeans are asleep.

But seriously, saying that 1am is prime time? I’m starting to believe prime time is simpyl a name for “time when we win”. And keeps changing.

first we don’t have any us guild, maybe AO but they are 10 ppl…
second, usually we have dinner at 20 CET so our guilds events fully start at 21-22 CET and last 3-4 hours more or less, that usually EU prime time…for spanish and portuguese is even later …if irish go to sleep early don’t know, i know they go to pub at 18
1 am is the end of prime time in west europe.
BT have EU guilds, italian guilds…like us. and germans is on the same time zone.
prime time is not when we win beacause arborstone is a server that beat us in prime time, they are french, in the same time zone.

as I said before, put Xaoc on SFR and BT and riverside will have 50k points.
BT EU prime force can hold few hours what Xaoc take in the morning (is only question of time who is playng in the prime time know that, when resource gained in the morning go to zero EU BT prime time is gone), but in the end SFR EU prime time is better. at the end of EU prime time 0000-0100 GMT all belong to SFR.
maybe EU guild on other server need to sleep more than EU guild on SFR…dunno but still: at midnight all is red.

this match will be win by Xaoc because they have 6 hours without any enemies on battlefield, put the Xaoc on SFR and other 2 servers would be at 40k points actually.
BTW I really don’t care who win.
Last two prime time in UE we hold most of the map, so for me is fun fighting against italian irish polish and german and some late night Russian too.