Guild Wars 2

[quote=816194;morrolan.9608500 per piece adds up to 6000 badges for a full set, that is ridiculous. I’d take 500 for a full set.
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6000 badges for a full set is too much, but on the other hand you want a full set of exotics for 500 badges…you’ve got to be kidding right?

Kalemar.4873:

All servers are doing the emote laughs.

This.

I’ve seen more /laugh emotes in this match than all the previous matches combined. And not from any one side but all sides. I think once one side starts doing these emotes it just encourages the other sides to do it as well.

I don’t know why but they are getting a bit out of hand this match.

Amblix.3640:

I heard OBEY from Sorrows Furnace just moved to Fort Aspenwood, that’s a good 700+ people if they all move. o:

I’d be interested to know where this is coming from.

SmoothJazz.1375:

So, since you didn’t answer, we can all assume that he was right, you are in PRO? Not that I agree, really. Just curious.

Yes I’m in PRO. The reason I didn’t answer was because he wasn’t asking it as a question, he was using it as a way to throw a veiled insult. (My original post was a simple observation and wasn’t insulting anyone in any way, yet he felt the need to include multiple insults).

Maniac.5163:

Sorrow.7384:

Are you in PRO? Because this seems like the same attitude from your guild as last week, where you simply insult other players or whine about people teaming up against you. If I am completely wrong, then I do apologize but the rhetoric seems exactly the same.

Pretty hypocritical inflammatory blanket statement you got there.

This.

I regret making my observation as it’s clearly interpreted wrongly by people (it certainly wasn’t a whine as I think it’s a perfectly valid strategy). However it’s clear people like to interpret things in as bad a light as possible, so I won’t comment on this matter again.

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

Never had I seen such intense fighting for supply camps.

QFT. My first 2 hours in EB were 90% supply camp wars.

Ekove.4586:

Is this the argument that FA brings up everytime we fight them? that they are double teamed?

I don’t recall us ever claiming to be double teamed in previous matches against TC or YB.

Ekove.4586:

it’s a 1v1v1, all teams fight, you dont see the other TC fight YB because you are not present in those fights, kind of obvious.

No, but up until my post was made we could clearly see TC had taken absolutely nothing in YB borderland or YB’s part of EB. That’s what I mentioned in my post.

In the end it doesn’t matter what you or I think is happening, all that matters is what actually happens.

The good thing is that it looks like YB is taking quite a bit in EB, so it’s now becoming much more 3-sided. The match is definitely a lot more fun than our last one.

Here’s to a good week for all 3 servers!

Conspiracy theory at work – but it seems so far that TC is going solely for FA and giving YB a free ride. In fact, YB is barely touching TC either.

Why do I say this?

Because in EB they didn’t touch each others supply camps at all, it was just both constantly attacking FA’s camps.

At the same time, TC took nothing in YB BL. And once TC took all of their own BL they didn’t attack YB at all, instead their zerg came to FA BL instead.

Similarly, YB has barely attacked anything but FA held stuff.

So right now it’s like 1 team (FA) versus 2 teams, as neither TC or YB have really attacked each other.

Just confirming that Canach is also bugged on Fort Aspenwood.

Haha, I’m at work but I wish I’d been on when you guys ninja’d SMC. It would’ve been worth it just to hear the FA teamspeak chat when that single red dot appeared in the middle of all that green.

FA hasn’t got a lot to do right now, so I’m guessing the moment it was ninja’d every borderland had people port straight to EB.

I haven’t seen enough of HoD to really form an opinion of their guilds, but from DH I’ve met some really tough and persistent competition from Rethesis [RE] and Win Every Day [WE].

It’s good to see DH guilds still putting up a strong resistance despite the pretty ridiculous score — this is probably the most lop-sided match I’ve been in since the weekly matches began.

Regrets of Sini.6083:

kitten a lot of fair weather friends transferring, plus a strong night-capping crew. This is the source of FA’s recent victories, not some new-found appreciation of finer points of WvW strategery.

I’m not sure why you think we do night capping. We get a lot of points during Oceanic hours but it is hardly PvD night capping.

In fact, our numbers during Oceanic time are still very weak. For the first couple of days of this match HoD and Darkhaven had more players on during Oceanic time than we did.

As proof, this short 2 minute video is from Day 2 of the match. PRO guild and some others were defending garrison in HoD borderland. It was during Australian night and shows the sort of “night capping” you seem to think we do. (NB: The talking in the video is the live teamspeak that was going on).

[We ended up winning this fight but the full video is almost 30 mins long]

Mada.5319:

I thought regen can only stack in duration???

This.

Regeneration stacks in duration not intesity. Just like swiftness, you only see a single boon with no counters. Any stacking just adds to the timer, it doesn’t increment the stack. The OP is probably mistaking stacks of might for regeneration. An elementalist can easily get 10 stacks of might via a sigil of battle and attunement rotation.

Serbaayuu.3051:

TheFreshBrew.1958:

This matchup is a joke. I mean it has to be a joke, right?

Sorry HoD isn’t leet enough for you. We’re still working on dropping down to an appropriate tier since Titan built us up to Top and then dropped us like so much garbage.

I think he was referring more to FA than HoD. FA had taken almost everything at one point (+600 points) and we seem to have more people than both DH and HoD combined.

Wombat is being off-topic but wanted to say he thinks talking in third person turns an otherwise dull thread into a total win.

Ordibble.3092:

No argument from my side

So to clarify, yes there were more than 20 people at Greenlake (with 3 catapults) but 40 people did not use the portal bomb.

Last night’s fighting with TOG (+the other mix of YB players) was the most fun I’ve had this match.

Most of the night we were making decisions on what to attack based on what you guys were doing. For most of the Oceanic hours you guys were definitely getting the better of us (having taken most of FA BL and all of YB BL). I don’t think it was until late in the night, after we retook SMC, that we started to recover. But that was also near the time most of you had to leave for the night.

I’m hoping tonight is as much fun.

Maniac.5163:

You’re forgetting we had FA borderlands locked down before our PPT gain all started, which increased morale by a great amount. FA is notorious for having a sensitive morale if we hold no territory. If we do – a massive amount of PvE players will join the fight.

This.

I think a lot of FA’s fairweather players are returning to play because our Oceanic shift is leaving more stuff for them when their night shift ends. I’ve noticed in past games that if our Oceanic time ends and we have almost no Potential Points our prime time has a poor showing as well.

Ordibble.3092:

Heh, I was in that bomb and there were only 20 at the most. I know it made no difference in the end, but this is a good example of how things appear from different sides.

I don’t want to cause an argument on numbers but I have a video of the fight and you guys had 3 or 4 catapults firing at the west wall with people also attacking the gate. There were way more than 20 people attacking us at Greenlake tower.

Relentliss.2170:

We tried all night to draw FA into a fight but they seemed intent on avoiding us. I guess we just kept missing each other. Bit wierd…

Eventually we had a big battle at Stonemist where TOG annihlated you several times. Then I went to bed at 11:30 our time. Maybe you regrouped and killed us… I dunno.

I’d like to clarify last night’s weird clashes between TOG and PRO during Oceanic time.

We started on YB BL where we were trying to slowly claw stuff back. This was Oceanic prime time and there were only about 20 FA players total on your borderland. Initially we didn’t have the outmanned buff.

At about the time we started to treb DB a huge TOG zerg appeared and started to push us back. We ended up fighting all the way back to Greenlake where we setup multiple superior arrow carts and ballistas. At this point we had the outmanned buff and there were only about 10 PRO guild members and a couple of other people left in YB BL.

After taking down the west tower wall with catapults you sent in a mesmer and portal bombed us with about 40 players. Half of us were dead before you guys had even rendered for us.

At that point we were told that FA was trying to get SMC so we moved to EB to help attack that. We got inside SMC and suddenly TOG appeared in EB asndportal bombed us there as well.

After that initial SMC push our team split into two forces. The majority kept attacking SMC while most of PRO guild went to take Langor, Bravost and the YB Keep. At this point Yak forces were cut off at Langor and their Keep, essentially draining SMC of support.

Mid-way through our attack on Bravost FA took SMC. After taking bravost FA now held SMC and all of Yak Bend’s stuff in EB. At which point PRO guild then moved back to FA BL.

The TOG guild arrived in FA BL about 15 minutes after we retook Sunnyhill and Garrison. After we drove you off at the Garrison water gate you went to the Hills keep (east side). At this time we were retaking DB (west side), so we never met.

Then around midnight Australian time most of the TOG guys left all of a sudden, leaving FA to PvD for the rest of their BL.

So we weren’t avoiding you, we were simply moving to where we were most productive. In fact, in EB we came directly to your side of the map — attacking Danelon, Langor, your keep, and Bravost. The main problem was your group of roving players (40 or so) was far larger than ours (15 or so), so we had to be tactical in what we attacked or defended.

Munki.9452:

While it may or may not be true, most WvW Yaks Bend players feel that we lost a match against SoR purely because our opponent got a sizeable influx of high quality players. At the very least most admit that those transfers ruined our week of WvW. So you are going to find a lot of people on our server are sensitive to it happening again.

In the 29-Oct weekly match FA was matched against BG and DB. We started with DB winning and FA coming a close second.

2 days into that match BG had a huge population increase and essentially become a Tier 1 server. To say their population increase was sizeable would be an understatement. So FA knows exactly what’s it’s like to have a population shift change a match.

morrolan.9608:

Sorry but for whatever reason FA numbers have massively increased in non NA prime time. Funny how the worm turns you were decrying us for saying that we hadn’t had a huge increase in numbers.

We’ve made no secret that we’ve had a new Japanese guild join us. I also saw one of the EU commanders on earlier today and said hi to him but other than him I haven’t seen any others.

Right now from what I’ve seen our Oceanic numbers are about the same.

FA’s score in Oceanic time is mostly because the PRO guild has been jumping between maps very quickly and capping stuff. The TOG guild can probably confirm this as we ran into them on YB BL, followed by ET BL, then FA BL. They were doing a very similar strategy to us and SMC even swapped hands from YB->FA->YB->FA in about 2 hours (although PRO guild was focused more on capturing other Yak stuff to help give relief to our team fighting at SMC).

We just happened to end with more stuff because they all left before we did (around midnight Australian time).

We had a great time last night fighting in FA BL. Taking on those fully upgraded keeps (SH and DB) was a real challenge. I think we spent almost 2 hours attacking SH before finally taking it. That treb you had set up outside the lord’s room played havoc with our plans.

We weren’t able to take DB as the defence there was so strong. If we’d had another hour or so we may have had it but by that time it was really late (Oceanic players).

I also saw FA took SMC very briefly last night, which is the first time we’ve taken it during Oceanic hours. It looks like our new transfers from Japan and the EU are already having an impact.

Welcome on board guys! It’s going to be nice having a few more people bridging the gap between prime time and Oceanic time.

I saw our team briefly take SMC last night (Oceanic time) for the first time this match. We assumed it was you guys testing the water, if so good job!

I hadn’t had this problem until the last few weeks but lately it seems to happen a lot. I mostly find it funny that someone will waste their time killing the client and relogging just to avoid a 2s repair bill.

I’d like to know how the despawn mechanic works as well. It seems very arbitrary on how long siege will remain. I’ve had some siege stay around for hours and others disappear within 15 minutes. It would be nice to know what affects this, factors like how much siege is nearby, whether the location it’s at has been attacked recently, etc.

Cogbyrn.7283:

I hope people don’t assume that FA is represented by a vocal/whining minority.

Overall I’ve been enjoying this match. Although I’m not sure why Yak’s players think FA are complaining about zergs.

I’ve just read this entire thread and not seen one FA person even mention zergs or complain about being losing because of being outnumbered.

Ordibble.3092:

And responding to other people’s comments, the outmanned buff is not an indication of a server’s population. It is only an indication of how many people are logged into WvW.

Yeah, the outmanned buff isn’t a good indicator of actual WvW player numbers because of bots. You can have only 10 people active but not be outmanned because your server has 30 bots farming kraits or skritts.

My posts have nothing to do with zergs (I have never mentioned them once, so why YB players bring this up is a mystery).

I apologise if some players are taking my observation that YB’s improvement is mostly a population change, as it wasn’t intended as an insult. Some players, however, seem very defensive about this.

@drede:
I never said Yak’s jumped 6 spots (read more carefully). And FA didn’t jump 5 places last week. We changed by 3 spots, which a lot of servers do each week. Again, it’s poor form to make things up.

However the only servers to have ever moved up 5 spots in one week are Sanctum of Rall (right after it’s huge influx of players in week 43) , and Yak’s Bend (in week 44).

I won’t post on this topic again as it’s derailing the thread and it wasn’t intended as an insult (which YB seem to be taking it as), I was trying to highlight the statistics from past matches and how they correlate to population changes.

morrolan.9608:

Because we were a level too low and had a big victory as a result. You must have noticed that the rankings system is not great.

The ranking system is indeed very bad at moment.

However YB’s ranking in the previous weeks was:
Rank 13
Rank 13
Rank 15
Rank 16

Then suddenly the next match it jumped up 5 ranks. You must realise your server slowly dropping in rankings for over a month then suddenly surging to beat servers 2 tiers above them is not due to a sudden improvement in tactics. It’s a population shift.

WvW is not balanced well enough that tactics can make that big a difference from match to match. It’s always sudden population changes, whether you notice it yourself or not.

Vendris.4201:

We (Yak’s) have easily 50 people in the camp – and there is no other opposition except this single individual, who is invisible 99% of the time and unkillable when visable.

A video has already been posted showing this person’s gameplay (clearly no hacking involved). There’s a difference between hacking and someone using class mechanics well.

It’s very poor form to call “hacker” just because one person is playing well and you don’t know how their class mechanics work.

Cygni.2790:

Yes please take screen shots. Get as much evidence as possible and report them. I can only speak as a members of the Yaks alliance but we would love to have every cheater/bot removed from our server.

I took some screenshots of YB players from two guilds hacking their way onto a normally unreachable area to attack our trebs outside Dreaming Bay (I clicked on them so their guild names are clearly visible). I wouldn’t normally post it as I don’t like getting into discussions about hackers, but since you are asking as a way of removing cheaters from your server I’ll put it up tonight when I get home.

I’m enjoying some of the big fights we’re having but please don’t claim Yak’s improvement is due to tactics and better organisation learned through weeks of playing.

5 weeks ago Yak’s played Maguuma and lost to them (a team that FA seems to beat each time we play).

3 weeks ago YB was ranked 15 and played Gates of Madness. Score was 101k to 58k.

2 weeks ago YB was ranked 16 and played Gate of Madness (again). Score this time was 552k vs 37k.

The next week YB was ranked 11 (and massive jump of +5 ranks).

Somewhere between 2 and 3 weeks ago Yak’s Bend had so many new players transfer to their server that they jumped from rank 16 to rank 11 in one match. That’s not due to gradually improving through learning and tactics.

From what I understand over the last few weeks the four servers people have been stacking and bandwagoning were BG, SoR, SoS and Yak’s Bend (although from what I hear people are now leaving BG).

I’m not trying to insult Yak’s Bend, but to say your WvW population is the same as FA and you are doing better because you’ve been gradually improving over time is just wrong. The stats clearly show that’s not the case.

The fight at the FA keep in EB was great.

After losing the keep a few of us moved to FA BL to retake Cragtop. We’ve now been bunkered down in it for almost 3 hours. It’s the only thing on all the maps that Yak doesn’t hold, and we may be outnumbered, but we’re not letting it go without a fight

Kazzuki.5704:

I believe what most of you guys fail to see in the OP is that , the rally system is borked and leads to dull and biased results
…
Downed state is never the problem.. Rally system is .

The OP is talking specifically about defending a keep against a larger attacking force that can simply revive people to keep up a virutally endless siege.

The rally mechanic has virtually no impact at all on these kind of battles. You are talking about zerg skirmishes which are very different types of fights.

Btw, I wanted to add that myself and a couple of other people I know think Maguuma are the most fun opponents we’ve had in WvW. We really enjoy fighting your server because you fight hard, don’t give up, and have some really fun tactics.

Hackuuna.4085:

wombat, you must be facing very small stacks because the ones I have been a part of anyone who is in range of the stack who is downed is dead unless they are an elementalist or the stack itself is too loose.

Given you are Oceanic and our population at that time is very small I’ll assume you have never gone up against one of our bigger stacks. You do have a point that small numbers in a stack are useless and perhaps we as a server are getting into a bad habbit of relying on it too much in situations which don’t warrant it.

Yeah, I think the problem is I’m used to your small stacks which have proven very easy to wittle down. Whereas prime time I’m sure Maguuma have some very large turtles which are very hard to break.

I don’t want to argue on this topic and dereail the thread, so I’ll leave it at that.

Rhyis.7058:

A single aoe heal for 1k heals for a total of 15k across your teammates. That’s 1 ability from 1 person. Just to throw some numbers out there for you.

Even if the stack has 10 people healing, that’s only 10 healers with long cooldowns on the heals. If a single aoe heal does 1k heal, and is on a long cooldown, I’m not sure how that helps people taking 10k damage every 2 seconds from multiple fireballs?

As shown by Maguuma’s dead turtle lying in garrison, your numbers don’t add up. Unless your turtle is very large (ie, you have vastly more people not being hit by AoE than are being hit by it) then you are going to lose. A 20 vs 10 turtle fight is a pretty easy win for the 10 people attacking the balled up group.

Any of the servers in tiers 4 and 5 should meet your criteria. Just expect really low populations during off-peak hours as these tiers have very low Oceanic and EU prescence (one of the main reasons they are in tiers 4 and 5).

Rhyis.7058:

Unless 10 of you had siege, you didn’t kill 20 players stacked. Your aoe hits 5 of them, they’d be healing 15 of their members in the same time frame. There’s a numbers issue somewhere in this post… And let’s be real here, FA never has 10 members anywhere ever. It’s always 20-30.

Try playing during Oceanic hours (my normal time). This week we’ve often had less than 10 people fighting Dragonbrand and Maguuma in borderland maps. FA often has less points than DB and Maguuma during Oceanic for a reason.

Regarding turtling with 20 vs 10:
Just four elementalists auto-attacking with fireballs will be hitting up to 5 people at once (1/4 of the people in a 20 person stack) for about 10k damage every 2 seconds. That alone is about 4 – 8 seconds before 25% of the players in the stack are downed. Doesn’t even include the other 6 defenders attacking or staggered meteor storms.

Really, 20 people in a stack have no chance against 10 players doing AoE attacks simply because the stack is perfectly placed for AoE, while the stack itself has to try hitting players who are spread out and who just move in and out of range at will.

The simple fact is I’ve run into about 10 maguuma stacks and each time we’ve wiped them because we just auto-attack with fireballs and AoE from 1200 range until they are down. The stacks I’ve fought have been in Garrison, Pangloss (multiple times), Arahs Hope, and Godsword (a few times). Anyone who goes down on our side we just revive because the Maguuma stack is sitting in a ball and not moving to finish anyone.

Turtling works if you have like 40 players stacked and healing and the aoe is only hitting about 10% of the players, but if your stack is only 20 people and 1/4 of you are taking aoe damage every second it’s quite easy to defeat.

BAEK.8561:

Wait, how do you buy siege blueprints with badges?

The siegemaster has two buy options (the money bags on the left side of the merchant window). Click on the bottom money bag to buy with badges.

The first time I saw Maguuma doing a stack I thought it was a bunch of bots attacking us. It was pretty funny because it was basically a big ball of players standing still and spamming auto-attacks while waiting to be killed.

I’m still not convinced of it’s effectiveness as every time I’ve come up against a stack they’ve been wiped without a lot of danger to the attackers. Once, inside FA garrison, Maguuma got into the lord’s room and had superior numbers. We had maybe 10 defenders and Maguuma had at least 20 people, but instead of rolling through us they stacked into the middle of the room. After killing the lord they stacked in one spot and we just slowly wittled them down until they were all dead. It was really weird.

The actual net profit from a siege is usually quite good. If 15 people attack a tower and use 2 rams that’s 12 silver used. On taking the tower the 15 people get 2 silver each, which is 30 silver (ie, the profit can buy 5 rams).

The problem is most people don’t buy siege, leaving the few who do to carry the burden of paying for most of it.

saiyr.3071:

Yes, they had a zerg going, but the small roaming groups that killed me multiple times really messed with us.

The reason you probably encountered a lot of small FA groups last night in the Mag BL was because we split our forces into two main groups — UK guild taking the west side, PRO guild on the east side. We also had small teams break off to retake supply camps whenever they changed colour.

This worked pretty well, although ironically when we eventually merged together to take your last tower, Dawns Eyrie, we got beaten badly. Mag’s defence of DE was so good we couldn’t take it. We had to eventually attack Spiritholme to get your defenders fighting there (we then quickly snuck back to DE and gate crashed while Mag was busy retaking Spiritholme). When we finally broke in we were amazed by how much siege you guys had setup inside DE.

PS: FA seems to have a bunch of bots farming the SW corner of the lake in Maguuma BL. We’ve pulled kraits to wipe them but they keep coming back. Feel free to farm/kill them!

@Bestement: I’m not sure if it was Ibludgeon at the time but it’s likely it was him as there was a small group of us in the Mag BL for most of yesterday, with him as one of the commanders. When I logged off he was on even though FA only had 10 players left on your map (but no outmanned buff because there was also 20 – 30 FA bots farming in the lake!).

2 or 3 day matches would be ideal. If these week long disaster match ups continue a lot of people are just going to give up on WvW.

Phuriok.9307:

you have all 3 orbs for now

The funny thing was in the first couple of hours of the match we took two orbs but lost our own. Maguuma made a lightning attack on Titanpaw and ran the orb all the way to Dreadfall Bay, fighting us the entire way down. I have to say it was a job well done by Maguuma.

It then took FA several attempts to get it back…with the first couple of tries going really badly because Maguuma set up a really nasty surprise for us behind the DB walls. All those ballistas you guys had really tore our first two charges to pieces. That defence behind the wall we were trebbing was so good we had to go and attack the northern gate instead.

Last match we had no orbs and it was really tough fighting against TC who had all three. This match it’s the opposite. The orb buff really should be swapped with the outmanned buff because it’s a bit ridiculous when the winning team (which almost always has more players) also get so many extra stat bonuses from orbs.

As a player with a level 80 elementalist I can confirm the truth in the OP’s post.

In PvE you’ll often find me zipping by in lightning attunement as I go about my world completion. Quite often I’ll spot some random person fighting and I’ll go out of my way to rush in, burn off all my cooldowns in a frenzy of glorious fireworks, then ride the lightning into the distance before the other person even knows whats happened.

This thread reminds me of the fun I had playing against Maguuma a few matches back.

I remember them breaking into the FA garrison, creating a feedback bubble, and sitting about 20 – 30 people inside it. We were pretty baffled by this tactic as it looked really weird, and also didn’t seem to help them any (they all wiped).

This thread makes me miss playing against Maguuma and seeing their crazy antics. (Btw, I think it’s awesome that they even thought of trying to stack 40 people on a single healing turret….I mean one healing turret ftw!)

As if the EU matches weren’t bad enough, just check the current NA tier 2 match. It’s the poster child for how transfers have completely ruined WvW match making:

Blackgate 204,289
Henge of Denravi 9,332
Eredon Terrace 8,711

2 days in and one team already has 20x the score of the other teams. Yep gg!

Dixa.6017:

why is there absolutely NOTHING in this thread about free transfers?

Um, an Anet game director posted feedback about free transfers on the second page of this thread.

Bit.2519:

I had a LOT of fun playing tonight in the FA BL. We tried over and over to get the Orb, but couldn’t get inside. Bed time for me.

The only issue I was having all night was the absolute disgrace that was our team chat.

I was unfortunate enough to be playing at this time as well. The FA team chat was spammed with so much garbage I kept missing relevant team information. It’s probably the worst I’ve seen it for a long time.

The sad thing is it only took a few bad players, like that Hitchens guy, to flood the chat. Completely idiotic, especially as they were asked politely by other players to use a differrent chat channel (or go to Lions Arch to chat) but instead just insulted people and spammed more.

Overall I had fun playing over the weekend, although it’s clear that TC is going to win the week….it’s a sad reflection on the state of a game when you know who the winner of a 7 day match will be after just the first 24 hours.

Not taking anything away from TC who, just like FA, took a severe thrashing from BG last week. In fact, I’m happier losing to TC than BG (the latter of whom I lost a lot of respect for after their excessive spawn camping last match — multiple ballistas, arrow carts and trebs all aimed at a spawn for an enemy you outnumber 4-to-1 is beyond bad sportsmanship).