Guild Wars 2

Sin.4130:

Salute to those mesmer and warrior I had no chance at all. Long way before my I see.

Maybe now you’ll stop assuming small scale = noobs

Valerith.6512:

I hope there would be more 5v5+ fights than only duels in the future.

We could possibly have 5v5s at duel event 2morow, Hopefully you guys are coming?))

Sin.4130:

Neandramathal.9536:

Sin.4130:

leave this topic clean

Bit late for that ain’kitten You started a 3 page argument by responding to someone saying “I had fun” with “I killed you a dozen times” and now you want ‘clean’…

Bring this little warrior for duel also.

This is gona be amusing, i have to see this.
If he even shows up that is!

Jathres.7236:

Also you are avoiding the subject..

So are you coming to the duelevent or not?

he scurred bless him

Sin.4130:

So as you can see we don’t have as many ppl as your imagine tells you, btw we also serach for some good fights not chasing some roamers that thinks that they are such good, and die on first bomb from any orgainized guild or pug, not fun for any guild at all. Such matchup just kill wvw.

Yes, Balcktide wants to rise and improve players skills, we want to enjoy every aspect of wvw against best players, This is hard to find at bottom ladder as you probably can figure out by yourself.

I could say BT has lowest numbers from low, middle 20 ranks, and even with weak night capping team we can put real pressure on best servers here, RoF is good example, this server has better force then DZ according to me, but mixed with us they losted to Germans. Vabbi always taking advantage of best server job , and don’t say this is not the truth. Someone who flipping empty borders really have a need for score success but you are just to weak to do it as wvw community. Insted you just say we want small scale only! or 90% of Blacktiders are idiots, very pathetic.

Don’t write about things that you have no idea, silver and gold league is full of premium quality fights in every way that you can even imagine.

Stay in your little World,

Cheers from few steps ahead!

Firstly, Most of the people you’re talking to have moved down from a silver league server and have been on gold league servers also. So infact its YOU that doesn’t know what you’re talking about. “Quality fights”? you mean hour long queues and mapwide skill lag are quality fights?

As for not being able to flip borders, we flipped yours in primetime with 10 guys. Why? Because your not organised, Just another karma train. When you did come back with your mighty zerg, you got wiped and then changed map, Then never attacked untill you had 40+ people and ours had gone to bed.

If you’re talking about roamers dying to an organised guild of 15+, then obviously thats going to happen, has nothing to do with skill. You’re the guy preaching how good you are when the reality is you’re just another full zerker blue dorito zerger who talks trash all day long on forums and won’t show up to any organised even fights ingame.

People who run a guild with under 10 people generally are smallscale, Its not an excuse. I’m sure they could all recruit randoms from LA and buy a 100g badge to run around if they really wanted but they don’t because they’re better than that and would rather challenge themselfs.

So yeah, continue to think you’re awesome at wvw because the reality is a good wvwer is one who fights doors. Happy zerging!

Sin.4130:

I play to win like most WvWers, like most WvWers I want to rise, so being at bottom is kind of masochism, especially if you don’t want to change it.

No offence but you’re just another full zerk zerging blue dorito, You have no idea what people want on Vabbi, although i think its pretty clear by earlier posts. That people want to keep it smallscale. As i’ve stated plenty times and will state again, People are on vabbi for the fights. Sure we get the odd “Hero” who comes down trying to get Vabbi to raise, but they always leave because they know it won’t happen and people don’t want it to happen.

So FYI your “Blacktide are a better community because we’re higher in wvw” is the most stupid statement i have ever read.

Sin.4130:

Yes, numbers, numbers… old song

We were running with max up to 10 ppl from guild without organization and with low levels to exp because there is no need to do anything more in this match up to beat you twice or more in score , Vabbi with those “insane” good players were able to cap 1 camp, and 1 tower near their respawn point and hold it for max 10 minutes. Good job! lol

Server wise blacktide has more people, if you think that’s wrong then more fool you.
Sure you beat us, thats obvious. I’m not a PPT player, i’d much prefer to have decent fights than to run around in full zerker killing people 5:1. You may find that fun, i don’t.

I didn’t mention numbers, i was speaking server wide. Maybe you had 10 people from your guild, doesn’t matter if you’re running with a tag on, we had fightmarkers on us when we was with only 5, so you had at least 20.

Also just to correct you, we held that tower till past 3am that night, from 11pm-3am we had 3 guys and your zerg of around 10 kept wiping to us over and over and over. Untill they finally left the zone and we took hills with 3 guys.

I wasn’t complaining about numbers, I was simply saying we have less numbers. Also the fact that you say “You’re lucky we wasnt playing organised” when you lose and saying “We don’t need to play organised to win thats why we played lowbies” Kinda contradicting yourself there.

Also i never claimed vabbi had “INSANE GOOD PLAYERS.” You’re the one stating that you don’t need to be on 80s to kill us ect, I’m just saying if you want 1v1s come to duels, if you want to fight on forums continue.

Sin.4130:

Sure, what is the first prize?- handshake of the worst wvw community ever?

Worst community ever? For population? Perhaps. For attitude? Clearly not.

You said your guild was running around looking for 1v1s (Doesn’t make sence as you was running with whole guild but anyway)

Duel events are normally organised on a thursday for people who are into 1v1 and want to duel for fun. You said you was looking for 1v1s and Vabbi has plenty of players who will show up for the duel event, therefore plenty of 1v1s. All i did was suggest you show up as you may find it fun but if you prefer to just fight on the forums then continue.

In my opinion though your responce to jathres was pretty foul, He thanked for the fun fights and you basically responded with “LOLZ NOOB I OWNED U LOADZ!!!111”

Sin.4130:

Lucky for you that HoD runned without organization and with low levels just to pvp 1v1, anyway I killed this little warrior at last dozen times

I assume we’ll see yourself and some HoD at the duel event later in the week then?

LILLIZ.5362:

Neandramathal.9536:

You’d be surprised at the night force, it starts at around 15 players (in my experience) and drops off fairly quick – for most the night its 3-4 players.
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Yeah I don’t think you’ll need that many on low or undefended territory what suprises me is that you don’t do it against Arbor.

Winning concept against WSR anyway as there are probably less than 20 ppl in all borders during the night.

But Seriously where’s the pride in night caps all the time ?

Cheers

Idk tbh this happens from both servers as we’re fighting for second, I’m mainly in eb late night capping WSR corner FROM arborstone. We actually downgraded the whole corner with 3 guys a few nights back, only to have wsr show up and attack it within 30 mins. I could say the same thing here, that you’ll attack it because we took it and won’t bother attacking when arborstone owns it. The fact of the matter is its undefended with no upgrades and most commanders will jump to take something like that.

I think a lot of the focus on WSR borderland basically comes from the attacks in our BL from 10pm-2am from you guys, then we normally cap back and head to WSR bl for some revenge.

As long as someone from WSR/Vabbi are attacking each other, we will never both focus arbor because neither of us want to come last. Although it does make more sence to attack arbor for a more enjoyable matchup.

super moo.2891:

x Charlie.4820:

Honestly sick of this comparison, As someone whos played a fair amount of tpvp, I can tell you endless lists of things that are different.

To even suggest that tpvp is “Small scale balanced fights” is just ignorant. If you played much tpvp you would know the common strategy is to have unbalanced fights in order to win. So no, Its not small scale balanced fights. Sure its a 5v5 gamemode, but you rarely ever have a 5v5 in a tpvp game because that would mean there would be 2 points undefended.

there are 2 types of spvp from what i can tell, 10v10 and 5vs5, i’m [and i think you are] talking about the 5v5 kind. this is literally small scale [only 5 players] and literally balanced [each team had 5 players, each team has limited gear]. the tactics in spvp might include 4vs1 or 3vs2, but that’s a quirk of the game mode. so what i said still stands.

however, this thread is about wvw. i just felt i needed to defend my statement.

It’ll be balanced teams, but never balanced fights and that was what you said.

You don’t need to defend yourself at all, if you enjoy doing something then do it. We all play for fun afterall . I just think the statement that tpvp is smallscale even fights (5v5 ect) is teqnically not true.

super moo.2891:

there is a mode called spvp for small scale balanced fights.

Honestly sick of this comparison, As someone whos played a fair amount of tpvp, I can tell you endless lists of things that are different.

To even suggest that tpvp is “Small scale balanced fights” is just ignorant. If you played much tpvp you would know the common strategy is to have unbalanced fights in order to win. So no, Its not small scale balanced fights. Sure its a 5v5 gamemode, but you rarely ever have a 5v5 in a tpvp game because that would mean there would be 2 points undefended.

If you enjoy zerging and want to zerg, thats fine. We all do what we find is fun. Just don’t start telling other people who prefer smallscale that tpvp is for “Small balanced fights” if you don’t know how it works.

Shoo Rof, Stop knocking on the doors before we’re open!!!

Please dont bring your guild raids of 20+ to Vabbi, its just overkill and the superior attitude which tends to come with most large guilds this far down the ladder is stupid.
There are also no good guilds to 20v20 GvG in the bronze league.

I personally moved here to escape the zergs, both friendly and enemy. Whilst there is still zergs down here, they’re a lot smaller most of the time. Overall i’m happy though, its awesome for smallscale and roaming.

There are also other guilds not mentioned in the original post which run on an average of 5 people and get plenty done, Neither of which join the zerg.

Obviously this is just my opinion and other people from Vabbi probably feel different, but dont expect a warm welcome from me if you’re bringing a big guild down to feel special

Jathres.7236:

Also you are the Asuran Traiter Chazling !

Nuuu i still have all my asuras!!!

smiley.1438:

Jathres.7236:

And yes was really fun! Also hiliarious coincidence that we all randomly joined the same bl ^^

Indeed, also didn’t expect to see BNF on a french server^^
Seems like we’re getting better fights than expected this week

You mean Vabbi, They’re part of the gnomes of vabbi now!

Today was pretty fun for a reset, All our roaming guilds working together.

Reminded me of this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSYeqZYgSUk

Gnomes of Vabbi Assemble!

Sin.4130:

The problems are:
1. Vabbi is way too weak for making any pressure,
2. I didn’t see any German group below 60+ ppl during day and 30+ during late night.

ANet should take a close look at league schedule, because this is just broken. I must say I have enough of wvw after only few days even I made insane amount of kills, Vabbi maintain over year, and that is pretty amazing. This evening we just left keep in enternal, even we knew that there will be ocean of loot.

Again, I’m not sure why you seem to think because vabbi have less players, that they don’t get kills.

I personally had 12 of my wvw achievements done after the first week and i don’t follow commanders, including the stonemist one and kills one, Which you’ve pointed out that you got in this matchup.

As for the incident at garrison, it was our BL we already had cliffside, we didn’t even know that blacktide was at the watergate till the fightmarker appeared… It only makes sence to expand to garrison and not go and take lake…..

Guru.1582:

x Charlie.4820:

Tbh speaking as a vabbi player, majority of people that play wvw on vabbi are here for the fun + smallscale.

If you want even fights then i’d suggest the gold league, although enjoy the 5hour queues and stuff.

I got bad news for you. The “fights” in the gold league aren’t that great either.

I play on TC. It’s only Saturday and we’ve already given up because we’re up against JQ. Their zerg is too large so the commanders don’t even bother organizing. We can’t keep people interested because we know that no matter what we do, JQ has more people at the off-primetime hours and are a guaranteed win.

In gold league, you’re either sitting in a 4 hour queue, or you get in straight away because your server isn’t even trying. Either way, you’re screwed.

WvW just isn’t what it used to be. And what it used to be was fun.

I know they’re not great and personally i can’t stand large scale fights, thats why i’m on vabbi and shall remain here.

If people want even numbers though, the gold league is the only place to go.

In my opinion, if people aren’t having fun on vabbi because they’re losing, maybe they should just move server, instead of forcing those of us who enjoy it here to have the same dull queues and zergs as other servers.

Sin.4130:

Funny is that all this evening (for few hours) all DL ppl was trying to take our wooden keep in enternal , they failed many times with massive wipe, and Vabbi with clear way on their own area died in our keep next to German corpses, this is beyond my understand of Vabbi art of war.

Majority of people i know on vabbi are down here for fun, if they cared for the whole PPT system, they would have moved.

So if i think i’m gona get a fight in your keep, I’m going to come to your keep.

I play the game for fun, As do most vabbi players, so we’ll go where we can get fights.
Some people find taking undefended objectives really fun, others (probably most vabbi players) Don’t. Otherwise they wouldn’t stay on the lowest WvW populated server.
I hope this helps you better understand.

You seem to be set out to insult vabbi however, hopefully you can help me better understand this?

Tbh speaking as a vabbi player, majority of people that play wvw on vabbi are here for the fun + smallscale.

If you want even fights then i’d suggest the gold league, although enjoy the 5hour queues and stuff.

This is stupid and will also promote afking in wvw to keep their time up.

Also server loyalty is kinda meh, most big wvw guilds just hop around anyway..

I miss it too, but it was disgustingly overpowered.

Eh can’t see why this is a problem, out of combat only…. Reindeer tonics also have a charge if im correct >_>

Elanesse.4310:

Thanks for good fights vs CB and Psy.

Greetings also to thief from Imp who lost a 1 vs 1 and called his imp friend in downstate for total fair 2 vs me Too many people always crying about zergs but are not able to make a decent and fair duel.

When? Please do share as currently theres only 2 of us online and i’ve not been playing for the past 5-6 hours.

Not sure what you’re talking about fair fights and duels, most of my guild was present at the duel event today for over 4 hours, You had your chance. Instead of attempting to badmouth us to people on our server ingame and on the forums, you could have showed up, Open WvW is fairgame and if i was to run into you 2v1 i’d kill you 2v1 because chances are if you ran into me 30v1 you’d still attack.

I’m the only person from my guild whos posted here “Complaining” about zergs and i’m more than happy to 1v1, whisper me ingame anytime.

Edit: You got your 1v1 with my guildy who “Called for help” and i didn’t join in. So less QQ

Ray.2640:

It’s funny that the continuation of this thread coincided with RoS ticking first again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc

You sure nailed it, nothing to do with the fact that stikko posted!
Genius.

The Umpire.9510:

just ignore the whining ppl from inc this is wvw, if servers wanne blob with 50+ then let them do that we had great fights today, and we also got wiped a lot by DZ blobs, we just respawn and go again, its all in the game…. you IMP left ros long time ago, cuz you want better wvw, joined gunnars hold, and left also there again cuz you want small roaming…. your guild transfered 3 times, same 3 times transfered FRS… GH > VABBI > ROS… we we love RoS <3 and his comunity… we even have a 50+ blob in EB atm so what?…

remember IMP always whining also in the GH matchups, maybe you guys should go and play in the teacorner?…

DZ keep it up awesome pushes from you guys today… you realy did a good job this prime time

and about the Q’s all servers have Q’s atm cuz the pve achievements….

i think its better to play and not gonna QQ about eachother… and post prt scr from some zergs, wtf guys 0_o it is like this, if you dont like go play on your playstation….

Just to reply about the transfers, yeah we moved 3 times.
You moved more than 3 times, just because you change your guild name along the way doesn’t mean you’re any less of a server hopper. (Although I’m not even sure how this is relevant to anything.)

You didn’t even know us when we left RoS so please don’t just go around proclaiming we left for this and that, because you have no idea why we left.

Gunnars was a fair balance for us till xaoc joined and fanboys such as yourself went mad with the PvD and worshiped them, moving all our players from every zone to the same zone made for dull gameplay.
In the end it came down to what we would enjoy more and we choose to move, You just ragequit gunnars because the stuff you PvD wasn’t getting defended in gunnars weak timezone, So you threw a tantrum and ragequit to RoS.

Also Fyi, Surmia had queues before the achievements, just saying.

kitten is.3581:

ya know… this league got more than 3 servers in it…

and your logic!? if some1 would want easy win wudnt they join on a server thats already at the top of league? instead of 1 thats in the middle? atleast i would…

No, they’d join the server where everyone moves to. This is common sence, Just because someone is at the top, doesn’t mean they’ll remain their after transfers.

Also i stated dzag in my post, he said he doesnt like fighting blobs yet someone claimed they only run around with 70+

Agrios.9071:

RoS = biggest blob server?^^

Acotje.5689:

> Leaves server because of Q’s and blob’s
< Joins biggest blob server in Bronze with Q’s on all maps

I like your logic.

OchrisO.8450:

nope i didnt join for a easy win like i said many of times i joined for the fight and to get away from the blobs and ques. would would i even care about a doly finisher when i have the nuke? WvW guild look for the fights

But vabbi isn’t active in wvw (Your words) and dzag only runs around in 70 man blob, so where are these “Good fights” that you’re getting?

Please direct me, because i’d love some too!

OchrisO.8450:

i didnt join vabbie as it has a bad name, i can remeber all teh fly hackers and just hackers, didnt the top wvw guild try to join vabbie to make it a wvw server but it failed becasue of the hackers?

Regardless of why it failed, this excuse is really poor if i’m honest.
RoS have had flyhackers too in the past if you didn’t know.

Just admit, You joined because you wanted the easy win/rewards, Along with all the other guilds Stacking on surmia.

Jathres.7236:

There is not enough “Oh noo” from you in the Voicecom chaz!

There is plenty of “Oh noo” don’t worry :P

Jathres.7236:

So thats why as already said before everybody joined RoS and didn’t split up between RoS and Vabbi so you could have free Transfers and good fights against Guildgroups of the same size? Ah but that didn’t happen i wonder why…

We all know why
Clearly fighting on Surmia gives them the same challenge they once had on AG, it all makes sence now. Vabbi gives really good challenging fights and doesn’t blob. (Honestly none of our players blob.) They also wanted to keep the queues, hence why they moved to surmia, Can be quite fun to wait in a queue.

OchrisO.8450:

i dont see how people that have never left left bronze can say anything about blobs

Most of the people you’re talking to just transfered from silver league servers to avoid 20man guild groups, just saying.

OchrisO.8450:

all this QQ blob here and blob there BLOB BLOB BLOB, if you want to see blobs go to voz tehy have 90 blobs on all maps even when they own it all. Fighting guilds with builds and comms is hard yes but how about look at it as challange,

Lol? 7v15+ both organised is a challenge? I can’t tell if this is a troll or…? Surely then you should have seen the 25-30 guild groups in silver as a “Challenge”?

Last i heard surmia had queues on all maps, so no point saying “Go to viz” when you have queues anyway, lol.

OchrisO.8450:

if you dont like being farmed join a wvw guild or leave the server

Leave the server to go where…? Can’t exactly go further down and even if you could, Pretty sure some zerg guild would have to move down to make them self feel useful.

dorin.4618:

All screams about blobs and zerg. So what? Should we split just to make you happy? You want just 10 vs 10 or 1vs1 ? Its not my fault that anet made the game this way, Ask them for gvg or 1vs1. But stop screaming about blobs and kitten coz its pathetic. Its war. If blob gonna make me win something I`m gonna blob. Even having 3x your numbers if hiding in a tower gonna make me win that battle easier, i`m gonna hide.
And u can take it as u want: cowardly or honorable , i don`t mind.

Firstly its a game not war, You really can’t compare the 2.

Secondly, as i said if you’re the type of person who just enjoys winning with no challange, if you KNOW you can win and thats where your fun comes from, then thats fine.

Some people just prefer to get more even fights and actually PLAY the game, Majority of people i meet don’t care for score, your input in the matchup has no effect this far down. Population and nightcapping wins overall.

Agrios.9071:

And to those roamers complaining about zergs chasing behind them why do you attack the zergs in the first time. We got attacked by single persons very often imo its kinda stupid to complain afterwards that they got killed when you run into 20+.

If this is to me then you’re wrong, Your guild groups of 30 + pugs (i didn’t name anyone so don’t assume im talking about DEX) Ran out of their way with all 30+ guys to chase 1 solo roamer, I’m not complaining i just think its boring for both partys, but if they have fun then thats fine, we’re all after fun! Maybe some of us just like a challenge!

We moved from silver because we couldnt do anything with our 5-8 people, Had we had 20 like some of the other guilds, it would be a different story.

This matchups been abit meh so far. Only diffrence between being on a silver league server and being here seems to be that the guild zergs down here are less organised and will chase the lone roamer with 20+ guys, but hey perhaps thats why they’re down here in the first place!

I thought it was pretty clear that silver league was the “GvG League.” (Or at least from how i saw it, it was where most of the GvG players are)

Idk what you’re expecting to find down here, Possibly dzag have some guilds with 15 people, but vabbi certainly don’t and most other servers probably won’t either as they seem to all be stacked on surmia.

Tried roaming abit, nothing amazing so far… Just running into same situation of people who wont fight and will continue to run back to zerg, untill they’re downed then they try ever so hard, Doesn’t make much sence.

Hopefully can get a little bit of fun out of the matchup during the week :|

callumbrock.2153:

HT already spamming for new players xD

They’re only on fissure to recruit your players, they’ll be moving back to Gunnars if i’m correct.

Laxus.3062:

sorry but these achievements aren’t earned. your opinion might not be the same.

How are they not “Earned”?

Sure if you’re one of them people who follow a commander around all day and just do as he says, then they won’t really be earned because the chances are that you’ll be taking it due to numbers.

I’ve personally already completed this achievement this week and i almost never follow commanders, so most of my caps would have been without the zerg. I’d like to think i “Earned” them, thanks.

Not played much wvw this week, due to being stuck on another server, Didn’t realise how many zerg guilds had moved down here.

Guess people just want to win the league and hence take the easiest route possible by transferring to bronze.

I moved to vabbi to avoid the zerg guilds but forgot they always come down here when they need to feel special…

lol what a waste of 5 mins, you’re aware that you could probably do this anyway with s/d during the fight?

Also it would be capped at 5 applications, unless its not, in which case it would be a bug.

Jakare.6807:

Also had some good fights with a couple of Impact guys who were on RoS, again didn’t get your names. Both of you were running mesmers, one of you was a champ illusionist and the other a champ paragon I think. Thanks for the fights.

I was the champ illusionist, I guess you was the human thief?

Fun fights indeed!

I’ve already re-rolled 4 of my 80s, slyvari thief -> human, Human mes -> asura -> human (mad i know) and recently Asura gaurd -> Human.

I’d still like to change my other 80s but i’m not willing to go through the leveling process again, would happily buy a kit though, most of my guildys have re-rolled/want to reroll too tbh.

aspirine.6852:

x Charlie.4820:

aspirine.6852:

x Charlie.4820:

aspirine.6852:

I vote that Vabbi should rename their server to trebbi.

Is this coming from a fissure player?

I’ve zoned into zones when we’re outmanned with no defenders, to find fissure trebbing our wooden objectives. lol.

Not complaining at all, just saying your server does it to. I’m one of the people who can accept that siege is part of WvW.

Yep fow player, and I a typical vabbi day. Build a treb in overlook, start trebbing SM all day because what else would you do. Bring 12 people to sm and get your kitten handed to you because we have more people, and repeat this 20 times a day.

Apologies, i’ll tell people not to try because you’ll always zerg them, np.

Meh it’s more annoying than usefull. If you want to commit suicide every hour or so go ahead. Free stomp is free.

So you’re complaining that people try? Forgive them for playing! Couldn’t care less if its annoying you tbfh.

aspirine.6852:

x Charlie.4820:

aspirine.6852:

I vote that Vabbi should rename their server to trebbi.

Is this coming from a fissure player?

I’ve zoned into zones when we’re outmanned with no defenders, to find fissure trebbing our wooden objectives. lol.

Not complaining at all, just saying your server does it to. I’m one of the people who can accept that siege is part of WvW.

Yep fow player, and I a typical vabbi day. Build a treb in overlook, start trebbing SM all day because what else would you do. Bring 12 people to sm and get your kitten handed to you because we have more people, and repeat this 20 times a day.

Apologies, i’ll tell people not to try because you’ll always zerg them, np.

aspirine.6852:

I vote that Vabbi should rename their server to trebbi.

Is this coming from a fissure player?

I’ve zoned into zones when we’re outmanned with no defenders, to find fissure trebbing our wooden objectives. lol.

Not complaining at all, just saying your server does it to. I’m one of the people who can accept that siege is part of WvW.

aspirine.6852:

On the other hand, what about vabbi and wsr ganging up on us right now, and leaving eachother alone. :/

This happened to vabbi all the time last week, its part of how the 3 way fights work.

But its not really surprising its happening given the screenshots in the thread lol.

Yes, some fun fights tonight, esp with [TSOC]. You guys have some really really good bad players in your guild, especially the mesmer commander!

Much respect to the [WvW] Norn warrior on FoW with eternity for waiting for a duel! ;D

Gideon.6742:

Neandramathal.9536:

The reason most videos look the same is because there is only a finite number of situations that can occur. We can’t upload footage of intense fights vs guild groups when they don’t happen. There will always be upleveled’s in a zerg, but it’s hardly the bulk of the group, and even if it is… with a massive numbers difference upleveled or not it’s going to hurt, CC doesn’t care what level you are. Regardless, there are far less aggressive/whiney ways to say such things, or just not say it at all – no one forces you to watch after all.

The majority of fights we engage in are slim/no chance of winning, that’s what we enjoy, because I agree – there is nothing to lose, it’s a game.

I can respect that. Make the most of what you’re given… It is a game and when you can’t find 10-20v10-20 because that is what the guilds here usually run with occasionally more it get kinda boring and isn’t a fun game for many. That’s MY perspective. If you think 10-20vthe same is skillless thas your own opinion idc. But it is wvw if you want 5v5 go play tpvp

I actually do play tpvp on a regular basis, if you think it is anything like a 5v5 you are very mistaken. WvW is only what you make of it, i find plenty of fun fights running with 2-8 people. Clearly more than you’re finding with your 20 :\