Guild Wars 2

Simply and shortly put – the game is far too bad for majority of people to pay for it. Nowhere close to games that had montly fee and succeeded.

Well WvWvW is, despite the following:
- having all the siege you have so perfectly placed on your T3 keep go poof when you actually need it to defend
- getting owned by invisible zergs
- tons of smaller bugs around all the maps that can be found in hundreds of topics
- siege shooting through everything
- ballista bolt not being a projectile ( seriously I can’t understand this, same goes for AC )
- lack of balance
- and much much more

still fun. Why? Teamplay. Ever thought why so many peple do raids in other games (25 or even 10 man)? Ever wondered why some guilds vanish and others keep playing? Communication. The feeling of being a part of something greater.

While this feeling is nowhere close to what WoW head, at least for me, it is still there. Even if you wake up to hear that some 2 guys took a flying omega golem and owned your keep.

I’ve felt that this game is over 2 months after it started. Yet I’m still here, alive and kickin, only because of guildmates, and people that actually do know how to play in team.

Unfortunately, tons of people who go to WWW don’t really do it for fun, but for points. If you will treat it as a score fight, you will get bored. Find yourself a team and cooperate with other teams, even on whispers. You will very shortly realize why so many people still play this, even considering the amount of fails that are around every corner.

Also, check this

Only a WvW player still visits this thread hoping that anybody at ANet gives a kitten about it…

I’m not sure if it will be decided on friday :> Looks like a fight till the very last minute!

Even numbers? Seriously? The fact that we’re both labeled as “Medium” doesn’t reflect the actual WWW population. It’s been said over and over again by many people. No, not only the ones from RoS you so seem to dislike. Can’t understand the hate honestly..

The outmanned buff crap is present for as long as I remember. And I’m playing the game since the 1st headstart day. Very often my guildies had the “buff” and I didn’t. Other times it was the other way around.

There are many bugs, I dont care for the outmanned “buff” I care for the bugs that affect the already bad WvW. I don’t really think that anything is gonna be fixed. No, not even in March. There were enough times ANet proved that WvW is nowhere near being a priority. Ever.

This is so true.. Someone in ANet should really read it, there’s tons of things highlighted, that are wrong.

There ain’t much left to add but:

Only a WvW player knows how it feels when nobody mans the siege while defending a keep.

Only a WvW player gets angry when he can’t kick some newbie out of a treb, looses the treb and then the keep because the other team actually knew how to use treb. It makes you always want to drop the siege yourself -> drain cash out.

Only a WvW player thinks “Why the hell nobody mans the cannons on SM balconies?”. Yes guys, the’re THAT good.

On a side-note: sometimes it is better do make cannons before walls. On SM it’s actually almost always.

SilverWF.4789:

vipeout.2485:

Writing engine isn’t so easy. Takes years.

They promised us massive battles. And I bought this game only for massive battles.

So I didn’t care about their problems now.

I want massive battles too. I only play WWW. Thing is it’s impossible for them to write the engine all over again. Fixing it is more likely. Still, they released the game far too early and everybody knows it.

I really hope they’re trolling with the infracted status and it’s all gonna be fixed in Feb.

Gramark.6583:

Same thing in Vizunah Square : queue and not many on the map…

Anet say something … You are trying to fix the bug ??

Not many on the map on Vizu? That’s new ^^

Writing engine isn’t so easy. Takes years. Besides, should of seen that coming when u transferred :> I’m sure as hell many would be glad to welcome you to a lower tier server, where a queue shows on 1 map tops, during primetime and is maybe 5-10mins long

Still, either a fail decision or a huge bug. Neither is good. I’m often 30 vs 50+ and I know for sure that there’s nobody on map (scouts, bl is whole under enemy control). And theres a queue. Doesn’t matter it’s short, we’re medium vs very high / full and we get blocked like this -.-’.

Had the same on EB 2 days ago. Had 20+ people from my guild and the other commander couldn’t see even 15 more players on the map (he checked puzzles it was so weird). Yet quite a few friends were in queue for 20mins +.

igneous.8153:

He is totally right though, a single alliance joining or leaving can change a server drastically. It happened when <INT> left GH or when RUIN joined Blacktide. Examples are there, and they show that a big enough alliance can make a big enough impact on a single server’s WvW.

While I completely agree, please could you finally people stop spreading the so wrong rumor. RUIN leaving destroyed Deso, yes, but they left for PS2 not to BT. Those 12 – 15 members tops didn’t change anything on already full BT rushing to #1.

It’s been so long ago, I’m not even on BT anymore yet everybody believes that RUIN with its hundreds of members could transfer to a full server. Really.

Nope, T8. I’m not saying it’s perfectly balanced (it will never be). I’m saying it’s quite even. Personally, I don’t care about GH, I don’t have the need to fight Xaoc or anything. Blacktide will drop to t9, WR goes back to t8 and everyone has a balanced matchup. We would probably move to T7 then, but as I said, no matter the tier that’s quite a good place to fight for me.

It happens everywhere, it’s just shame and rage when u see 2 of the towers you’ve upgraded to full be lost without a chance of defending them. I really hope to not see this again because I’m not gonna enter WWW without fraps now. And you can sure as hell bet I’m gonna be there when anybody tries it :>

Also, please report it. I managed to be at Veloka (didn’t make it to Ogrewatch) but a few screens aren’t enough. Besides not like anyone is getting banned for this so…

Seems fun a the moment, we don’t have the numbers you thought we do and we told u that. Now you can see it. Honestly I wouldn’t mind staying in this tier as it’s quite even but the time will show.

Of course. You hit it at around 380 – 420k I guess. They cap there. :> Not sure about the actual score, but we’ve hit it yesterday or a day before that.

Krosan.2890:

I honestly can’t see how a decidacted WvW alliance would even want to have no action what so ever in over two months. Just seems you’d rather want the easy wins.

We could jump to Piken before everyone else did, with RG who were at that time one of the guilds that built BT. We could go to SFR, as I’ve seen they’re getting hit by Vizu (nothing new there tbh, been over the same) and saw somewhere they’re recruitement offers. We could choose many other servers to not wait “2 months”.

You would call us bandwagoners then.

We could also jump to a lower tier server, trying to build what we want from the game, asking people already there whether they like it or not. It didn’t have to be Ros, could be any lower tier. If we jumped to FS or UW that wouldn’t matter. Why?

Because this solution, “we’re looking for the easy wins and roflstomping everything”.

So what do we do? As you see what happens to BT, we really had noone to cooperate with, nobody to stand on the battlefield with. And had a “full” server which made it impossible to do anything besides changing it.

And as I see from many of you – changing server is bad. Doesn’t matter what would we decide, it has to be bad. Why? Because its’s bad.

Sorry if I can’t understand it but if I would have to choose either being bandwagoners or roflstompers in your opinion, then I wouldn’t really consider your opinion relevant. I still have hopes that there’s more to it than just a random trolling. Would gladly hear it.

EDIT: Just checked Piken thread, found an amazing post there that adds here a bit. I’ll quote it here:

Wamgor.9347:

There is going to be do much drama on my server this week, because of selfish idiots moving to a server with ques issues because they assume its med pop theres plenty of room without checking the forums, or even contacting the wvw community… the population of server has no reference to the active WvW population… People have been warned and yet still want to come join, and if everyone has that same idea those ques will become twice as long… or core guilds who built the community up will leave to another server because of score obesssed guilds/players…

That dont for one second think, hey lets join a lower tier server and build up a community… no they would rather do the easy and stupid thing, lets join a esatablished and overflowing community and maybe perhaps destroy it…

(…)

There are so many other decent servers around actively recruiting… that i just dont get it why you dont chose them… I see people building communities left right and centre and they have space…

(…)

So why are people joining the server not recruiting… when they obviously didnt come for the wvw community, as they didnt contact it before hand… so they came here for space to play as a guild? there is no space to play…

Its just a shambles of the Free xfers still killing communities because of guilds with that attitude. It will be a shame to see any Piken original leave and be replaced by people like that, Piken will not be Piken anymore.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Piken-Square-WvW-is-FULL/page/2#post1280003

EDIT2: Actually, I’d gladly welcome any Piken WWW guilds that want to try creating something serious, once again. I’ve been in the same situation, then been in the one when all bandwagoners quit www and make your server implode because one or two guilds quit due to queues. No matter your choice, I wish you the best.

You could also check out what Ruins of Surmia has to offer. English language, very active WWW, commanders actually communicate between themselves. There’s much more to it (no queues but not that active PvE community afaik). There are some topics on these forums you might consider worth reading. Good luck in your research

Ironvos.9014:

I just can’t imagine being on a server that will be on 500/600+ points for many weeks.
I already get bored when my server (fsp) hits around 400+ and that only happens for a few hours.

Ironvos.9014:

Just wondering if you guy’s wont be bored by the time you reach a challenge in mid tier, maybe in a month or so.
All that steamrolling must be pretty annoying when you’re a (semi) hardcore wvw guild.

Of course it is boring. We’re actually even less online than usually because there’s close to nothing to do on WWW. We seen this coming, and I among with many others decided that it’s worth it. If we actually help to create the community we would like to play with (and it really seems like one, it’s not often that you find “randoms” who can actually use focus on ele to defend siege) – we’ll play the game for months if not years.

On a side note, FoW made a very nice attempt yesterday with 4 or 5 omega golems, quite a zerg and fast map switching. This is what we hope to find in mid tiers, because that was awesome. T1 isn’t.

Who said anything about T1? T1 isn’t that fun after all. Been there, done that. Check other topics on these very forums.

As for the rest – it’s been said dozens of times. I’m not really in the mood to say it again.

Home World: Ruins of Surmia
Guild Name: Health Potion
Guild Website: www.healthpotion.pl
In-Game Contact: Czarusia / Xiana / Quarrian
Focus: WvW | tPvP | PvE ( in this order )
Quick Notes: We’re a polish only guild that organizes many events for our members. We require our members to use TS, so we can actually create a community. We’re up and running from the very first day of head-start access. For more information check our website or contact one of the officers. TS3 512 slot | Forums | 18+ |

Home World: Ruins of Surmia
Guild Name: Health Potion International
Guild Website: www.healthpotion.eu
In-Game Contact: Raukin / Xiana
Focus: WvW | tPvP | PvE
Quick Notes: International guild, uses the very same TS as the polish one. Created at the beginning of January. Closely cooperating with HP on WvW. Required TS3 use and level 80 | Forums | 18+ |

jkctmc.8754:

Supersun.4603:

Trebs aren’t the problem.

Bad map design letting some places treb other places that obviously weren’t intended is the problem (Like Garrison able to treb Bay)

Or Stonemist being able to treb reds Overlook?

That’s possible only from the outer walls – easy to counter. But yes, SM has far too big advantage. You can treb 6 towers ( 2 yours includeded ) and a red keep.

With 1 treb against a T3 wall being repaired – it definitely will be. I never seen a point when people treb you from SM and never come to the tower they treb – you have your supply camp so no problem repairing. Also, never seen a point in using only 1 treb. On T1 wall you just go zerg the gate with rams, on T3 you want at least 3.

No it wouldn’t.

Long story: Depending on your team and the enemy it might not be boring. We’ve had a few 4 vs 4 trebs situations (or similar) that we have only won because of our elementals. It also looks epic. Or if you place your treb as a first one, you have to watch for enemy siege that could destroy it. You can’t macro that.

Also, very often enemy team will attack you. If they’re just watching their wall going down then well, it will be boring. Guess you need go up the tiers then. Better servers shouldn’t just watch it. If you’re in T1 and it’s still boring – come EU ladder

Laurelinde.4395:

Let me see if I’ve got this straight: you are going to go into a server which is primarily PvE people, and, in your own words “do everything possible to ruin their game” if they stubbornly refuse to go along with your cleansing of the PvE element to form a ‘pure’ WvW server? Nevermind the fact that there will, inevitably, be PvE and sPvP players on any server you pick since there is only one ‘type’ of server, and any of these ‘undesirables’ can join WvW whenever they want.

You know you could at least read what he said. We wont force anyone to play WWW, especially the original players of this realm that like PvE. What he said is about other guilds transferring to RoS that wouldn’t want to play WWW. Why would he ytransfer anyway since PvE is the same everywhere?

Below are the exact words you should of read. Do not take them out of the context please.

Niadon.9270:

At the same time we don’t accept guilds whose primary focus is not the war in the borderland and although we respect the PvE native guilds of this server, we will do everything in our power to reject the PvE guilds that will want to get Surmia, and at the stubborn ones we promise to do everything possible to ruin their game.

Now onto the next:

comacat.5287:

Instead, you’ve come in with the biggest kittening chip on your shoulder because ‘ehrmagerd we’re from tier 2, we’re the best evaaaarr’ and dismiss our most experienced commanders.

Nobody dissmissed anyone. No idea where did u come from with this one.

Ironvos.9014:

Now you will have all your ‘elite’ wvw players playing pvdoor for the next few weeks.
Is that gonna be better than having to share wvw with pug’s and other guilds that aren’t in your alliance?

Problem is, there was almost nobody to fight with only us. PvDoor is something I personally hate. However, I (and probably many others) wanted to have fun from the game. We couldn’t on our very own server.

Ironvos.9014:

What i think you really want is a server of your own, with noone else but your alliance.
Unfortunately that is not possible and this whole guildmigration is going to screw up all the lower tiers for months.

Nope. Why would we migrate if we wanted only the alliance? It was present on Blacktide after all. Actually many players are happy about it (or at least that’s what we see on WWW maps, and keep in mind we’re on all of them). People whisper if we need a siege they could drop, some even thank us for coming in here. From what I can tell many of you are eager to fight, and do it hard. You just never had a chance of a bigger fight. We will see if there is a chance for one in this tier in 10 minutes.

I’m sure that there are people that don’t like big fights. Neither we liked the idea of getting beaten over and over again for months till we drop down to “our” tier. We would loose many more people. The other option was to quit the game. Many have chosen that, that’s one of the reasons we’ve dropped from T1.

drkn.3429:

You folks can join Vabbi.

And spend there a month trying to bring it up destroying your game for even longer.

And yes, I do see problem for FoW in this situation. Well all I can really do now is to say sorry. It’s not our fault that those thousands of inactive accounts keep the server as “Full” when at 20.00 GMT you get to main LA with no queue. That’s not a full server. Full was when we were 2h+ in the queues for any WWW map.

PS. Keep in mind I speak for myself in this post. Not for the whole alliance.

It should get a bit of love after all the major things that WWW needs to be fixed are dealt with. I mean balancing. While ele has nice skills their damage lacks big time, same goes for several other classes. The idea about a map almost completely underwater is great.

A weekly swapping borderland maps (hell even eternal might!) with spawn on land and all the towers etc underwater could make quite nice and unique map. Of course you’d need some special underwater siege and solve many more problems. It could also be an extreme failure when done in hurry. Needs to be well thought and that requires time. So fix what needs to be fixed, then think of this in an expac.

Oxxymoron.9864:

Allow me to name you a server that based their www around large guilds: Far Shiverpeaks. Being explayer yourself i dont have to tell you what happened to it after the www attendance dropped below a certain level. Blacktide is just like it, building entirely on recruited guilds. But those guilds wont stick and fight, and why should they: Blacktide is built on the mentality thats its ok to to transfer if things get bad.

Bolded part mine. As people often say on this forums: Complete bullkitten. While we are mostly built on transferred guilds, please do never say again that we’re ENTIRELY built on them. There’s enough guilds still playing from the very beginning of the headstart to not ignore them. Thank you.

Oxxymoron.9864:

2: Deso might have been back to t1 with ruin, but ruin is on blacktide now, and last time i checked the score they dont seem to help you that much. Its wasnt the core ruin group that was strong, its all the players they recruited from deso that gave them numbers. And most of those ppl didnt go with them. Plus seriously, who the hell talks trash about one of their own guilds even if they dont like them. You cant expect ppl to flame one of the guilds on their server.

Again bolded part mine. I’ve seen their commander for 1, 2 weeks tops on EB. They never had more than 10-13 members. The rest usually were PU’s because there were no other commanders. Many refused to follow them and kept switching maps. I have nothing against the people that were trying to make up for their destroyed name. In fact they weren’t that bad, it was just a few bad decisions made in their leadership.

The so called “core” went PS2 and never showed up on BT. Please cut this topic already, people just exaggerate BT so they can feel better when they “beat” us.

Oxxymoron.9864:

3: based on the fact that last weeks elona is t1 material, Blacktide is missing about 2/3rd of its www population. If it was like the quarter of that id say yeah, sure they are preparing holiday. But you honestly think with a rational mind that that many players will jump back in the game actively playing every day to keep the server up after skipping playing for weeks now?

Truth is – the majority didn’t transfer out. Actually none of the guilds I know did. They’ve just quit the game, said “Farewell” and left. Few whisps I’ve got said that they might come back depending on what changes in WWW in February, but for now the game has nothing to offer. And while I agree with them, that’s another story.

Would be awesome if we could defend SM whole night. I don’t really see it happening but we’ve had it since the early morning. Many are gone now so we’ll see how it goes. Almost completely upgraded. Been quite nice today, although people clearly consider supply camps obsolete. Finding even a single person for them is impossible.

About the maps on Borderlands – as several people have already mentioned, the “balance” problem could be solved by swapping the maps each week for everyone. The have to be the same for obvious reasons ( servers must have equal chance of defending their homeland ), but the only restriction that implies is that every home border is the same. Swapping them each week (even if you create only 1 new map in half a year) is a huge step.

Culling and rewards are first on the line though. And fixing already existing bugs on these maps (not only the wall / gate jump, there’s a lot of terrain bugs as well).

Seen it a while ago. It’s a great idea imo, I’d love to see it in game. ANet doesn’t care about WvWvW tho so not like it’s gonna happen. Same goes for many other great ideas. Or any kind of communication.

Scribbles.7493:

It’s the Tier 1 curse.

Once you become #1, you realize you’ve pretty much ‘won’ the game as far as GW2 WvW goes. There’s no reward for getting there, and there’s no reward for staying there. There’s no rivalry, because even when by some fluke of the rendering system you can see your enemy, you often don’t even have a clue who you’re fighting against. Threads get closed when a minimum amount of drama shows up, so there’s no real metagame rivalries either.

All in all, the better you perform in WvW, the sooner you realize it’s all for nothing. It all feels rather pointless. Battle fatigue kicks in, guilds die and the server drops out of 1st position, allowing other server to take over and realize the exact same thing.

I do agree that there’s a problem with WWW. Hell, there are many. But there is a way to keep people attracted to the game – build a community around your guild instead of having it around the game. The game offers nothing when you reach T1, but as a guild you can organize stuff.

What do I mean? Well sometimes you fight for server, for the score, presumably because you liked it when we were rising up in tiers, or because u liked to win with other people. What we do is sometimes fight for ourselves – for fun and not really thinking about the score for an hour or two.

How can it look? Well it’s only limited by your imagination really, and what makes your guildies happy. Talk to them about it sooner rather than later. I’d really enjoy you all guys back in the game, while many of you probably don’t have a slightest idea of who I am – I’ve ran very often with your organized guild groups. To learn from you.

Happy member of a guild still having 40 active WWW players.

Count me in. Blacktide is dying in www mostly because of bugs and wrong ideas (not to name it worse). People who actually cared and upgraded / defended our bases to see them taken by bug in 10seconds will give up. And many of them did.

Add the fact that there’s nothing new on any WWW map, and now there’s 3rd PvE event – people get attracted to it for obvious reasons – it’s shown everywhere, even on the main page. When was the last time anything WWW related was shown on the main page? When last time WWW loading screen changed?

Another thing is that the commander capabilities are a complete joke. And that you have to verify if the commander is worth following anyway, because you can get commander title without stepping a foot on any WWW map.

You’re not even fixing the known bugs, which could be fixed by putting a STONE in the middle of the place they jump and test it.

To back up my words – see how much can change in a month of doing nothing for www. From a server that topped for more than 100k now we’re almost out of tier.

It gets old really quick, and the event you’ve just added doesn’t help. It was very rare scenario in higher tiers to actually get pushed out completely. Now well… if nobody plays it will happen. Is this the way you solve problem of people not playing? Helping the very few that remain? Instead of actually attracting people back when you still have a chance?

There’s much much more but that post is long enough already. Hope to see some changes or there will be no one to play in WWW before you put that “uber patch that fixes everything”. I’m sure as hell it won’t.

I’d love to see the result after a match with SFR as prepared as they are now with us being as willing to fight as we were at our first week in T1. Now we’re probably gonna get melted, maybe keep up second spot.

Dwok Immortalus.2763:

Blue:
+ Hardest natural keep to ‘ninja’ due to design.
+/- Blue keep is difficult to navigate around. Attackers are largely forced to use trebs to breach.
- Both forward towers can be hit from SM. QL however can not hit back.
- Hardest to defend due to geography blocking quick troop response.
- Only keep that can not protect both forward towers.

Actually it can, but the spot isn’t perfect – rangers or elementals can destroy it.

Well guys if all of you think that ONLY numbers matter, then I’m sorry but u might never find this game fun long-term. Yes numbers matter a lot but it is much more enjoyable if you manage to win a fight when you’re outnumbered 2:1 or more. And feels epic.

Yeah would be much better without the culling bug but…

Or if the group of 10 only spammed aoe. Which is not what happens if you actually want to pull that off.

Empyre – Arborstone isn’t really much better than that. I know it’s not the whole server, but several guilds that bug themselves into Aldon really got us extremely pissed today. If that’s what you wanted to achieve – congrats. You’ve started it last week but now it’s just happening so often that it seems like a duty between them.

I do realize you might say “They made the terrain this way so they wanted you to be able to jump in there” or something similar. Well I’m sure as hell they did not intend people to bypass all the walls and gates.

Yes you can. In the achievement tab, left top corner. Not sure if you have to select any category but I think you don’t.

Windmoor, I do realize that this is sometimes a way to solve some kind of problem. However doing it for hours when there is no zerg of their team is pointless. There’s always a way around in EB, it’s not like there are many choke points.

transtemporal.2158:

These are definitely people on the SM trebs, since I’ve sat on these treb for many hrs and had many an interesting conversation.

Of course there can be a player on a treb. I didn’t say it’s always a bot. However it gets much funnier when your guildmate goes to their server to check it out (back when there were completely unlimited transfers) and tries to interact with such a person. It’s extremely unlikely that someone is watching a movie on his 2nd screen while spamming ‘2’ on the other one.

Yep, they are being used. Mostly on siege in SM tho – if something keeps trebbing your tower for half a day in the exact same spot missing all the time(yeah someone failed at aiming it) – it’s a bot. Add few farming bots and that’s it afaik. There just are so many players playing at night for whatever reasons, no need a bots for this tbh. Especially in the higher tiers.

Bay is far bigger than a regular Tower on EB. Since the thread I’ve posed last week got completely ignored with no response nor fix whatsoever I’ll mention, that there’s a collision bug on green keep (EB) that allows you to skip outer walls and gates completely. Needs a fix, just like Aldon on WC ones (I do not know how did they get inside those towers though).

No not a portal – towers are small, you can’t hide in them, especially if a guild claims a place and upgrades it all the way up. And the fact, that 30+ people tabbing for opponents would have to target a mesmer in such a small place like WC or Aldon is.

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omphin.1752:

Pity to see people from [AVD] guild availing of exploits to take Aldons and Wildcreek. Also getting into Blacktide keep on EB. No walls down, no gates down, yet they took them within minutes of each other. And no its not a mesmer hiding that got them in.

Haven’t seen the guild tags myself this week, but I’ve reported these kind of exploits last week. They did not happen in towers though, just the keep. That makes it extremely hard to defend Aldon and WC honestly, because in the case of keep – you still have to breach the inner gate / wall. There’s nothing “inner” in a tower so it’s lost before you realize.

ANet should really fix this up because we’re in the worst spot possible on EB with a terrain bug I know of (keep). Haven’t noticed loosing WC that way myself. Yes I know how mesmer portals work, please do not insult us, we haven’t lost the outer doors or any wall on our keep whole last week, nor this.

About Aldon – as long as I and my guildmates were online we did not loose the gates or walls even once and yet after like 20h from server restart we’ve lost Aldon. Yes there were some people, asking on /map how they did get inside with everything full hp and T3 upgrades finished.

A bit more on topic: Arbor guys you are extremely stubborn when it comes down to trebbing SM. Half the day yesterday we’ve been destroying your trebs and you kept building new ones. We’ve lost our share of trebs to be honest too :/

Got 100% map on both star on logging screen and the text on the left side. My last thing to finish was POI in Chantry of Secrets. I got the title, nobody can see the star tho, nor I got any gifts. Tried teleporting to random maps but it didn’t help. Maybe we need now to explore the new island to unlock it? Have anyone tried?

EDIT: +1 to the guy above. Teleported to Black Citadel, had it done already also. Thanks Basik – people try it might work for you too.

Blacktide, event started, I’ve finished it with no cows dead. Event finished they did shoot the remaining cows but I couldn’t interact with the machine from any side nor I could talk to the NPC’s around. “Content temporarily disabled” it says. Really frustrating as it’s the last thing i miss for 100% map. Seen there many people camping it. Guess I’ll try at server restart next friday…

It has happened again tonight (but we’ve actually defended and placed siege there). I’m quite sure it will happen a few more times. Doesn’t look like a hard fix, would be nice if you could post here if it is going to be fixed in next patch or that this isn’t an issue and nothing needs to be done to it.

Well it’s nice and all – we’re actually fighting and I like the challenge. Weird thing is – saturday morning we’re outmanned on EB. I was like “Ok Maxs took everybody for morning zerg, fine we’ll keep the spots we already have”. And so we did for quite some time. Too bad we were outmanned for half the day, and the rest – we did not have the “buff” but zerg vs zerg we were always twice smaller.

Today the exact same. This time I even went borders to check it up. Vizu Border seemed quite nice with whole south map taken by us, but the rest… Well we took bay at Arbor Border with the small force we’ve had (the fight at lord room – awesome) and that’s about it. Even with the small force we’ve had majority didn’t listen to commander – as a result tons of siege including superior trebs were lost.

My question is – where are people? Doing fractals 24/7? 2 weeks ago we’ve had queues on EB whole day since the very early morning. I could basically queue myself and go make a breakfast. And when I got in I could play with people I don’t know and be quite sure they will listen and help us win. Seems like we are farmer server after all…

Problem is quite simple actually – you can get inside the green keep between the outer and inner gate. Eternal map, two links below that show how to do it. The keep in question was ours.

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We’ve lost the keep yesterday twice and everything (walls, gates, water gates) were at 100% hp. We kept thinking what is going on and we’ve found it.

Please fix this as soon as possible as it is a very basic bug that doesn’t really make the game funnier. Thanks in advance.

About the teaming up – Non-International servers have pretty much 0 chance of getting coverage remotely close to ours. Thus I’d say it’s completely ok if you do that with Arborstone. To be honest, I’d even like it to happen.

Yesterday morning – we own whole eternal, defending your keep from you. After like an hour of straight fighting at the keep, you’ve found a way to get to us, and after another hour you took it back. You tried to get langor back first, but it was too close to the keep so people came easily to defend. We could defend those 2 targets. You went the other way, took Bravost, Durios then Quentin and basically surrounded us.

We’d have to split forces to defend those targets which could prove tough to pull off as we might have lost the keep during the process, but honestly – you took bravost before anyone noticed anything, or at least nobody posted anything being busy with all the siege you kept building to fire up on us from your spawn. Then reds woke up and we lost it all.

Want more fights like that when the other side is actually trying. You fought even though you knew you’ll loose the week ( I mean score ofc ).

saVdoom.2067:

vipeout.2485:

saVdoom.2067:

Its not really against the rules for RUIN to transfer to BT, its actually the ultimatum strategy really. They either win.. by joining the winning side. Or they make BT’s “original guilds” (if there is any, except Xaoc?) to boycott WvWvW making BT lose matches and drop in tiers, and then they’re free to transfer somewhere else since they did what they wanted, which is to “beat” BT

Oh come on, there were many. We didn’t get up only by morning capping. Yes it helped us tons, but there were many Polish guilds as well. you might not know but Blacktide was chosen as one of the major Polish realms (Underworld being the second).

Most of them has quit because they didn’t like many things – PvE in WWW areas, loosing everything during the night and so on. I’m quite sure we’re one of the last actively playing WWW on our server. However, only on Eternal, thats why most of you didn’t hear of us because vast majority of reports on these forums are about borderlands and the guilds playing there.

I apologize, its just that i mainly saw Xaoc here on forums back when BT didn’t had influx of a lot of guilds. But i’m sure there were other guilds Was just generalizing.

No offense taken, I just wanted to clear it up a bit. And yes we were slacky a bit on forums (and still are) but that’s because we prefer to act and have fun rather than talk and brag about it

saVdoom.2067:

Its not really against the rules for RUIN to transfer to BT, its actually the ultimatum strategy really. They either win.. by joining the winning side. Or they make BT’s “original guilds” (if there is any, except Xaoc?) to boycott WvWvW making BT lose matches and drop in tiers, and then they’re free to transfer somewhere else since they did what they wanted, which is to “beat” BT

Oh come on, there were many. We didn’t get up only by morning capping. Yes it helped us tons, but there were many Polish guilds as well. you might not know but Blacktide was chosen as one of the major Polish realms (Underworld being the second).

Most of them has quit because they didn’t like many things – PvE in WWW areas, loosing everything during the night and so on. I’m quite sure we’re one of the last actively playing WWW on our server. However, only on Eternal, thats why most of you didn’t hear of us because vast majority of reports on these forums are about borderlands and the guilds playing there.

A little bit more on topic: I don’t like it. We have to find a solution. And not playing WWW ain’t a good one, as we all like it. That’s why we play it. We can consider it for a week (because the Lost Shore event kicks in this reset) but not for longer.

Yeah, my guildmates (along with many other players) have been defending our last keep on eternal for hours while zerg after zerg was coming in. After 2nd hour of that we’ve had no siege, no gates and close to no walls on the keep at all. At the time I was going offline we have however managed to defend it.

It’s strange thing you know when Elona zerg gets pushed back, 5mins later Riverside comes in, then back again Elona. Keep lord died several times. I very doubt that for those hours they never spotted themselves running from waypoint to our keep. Still, it was extremely enjoyable and challenging. I’m not that mad after all on you guys – whether you really cooperated or not – that’s the kind of fights we love and play the game for. I expected tough week from Elona after what they’ve shown us last week, guess it became even harder with Riverside.

Many people whined on /map about you guys because it’s unbelievable for such a long period to happen. Still – the best players are the ones who do not whine but keep fighting. The ones who show the “never let down” attitude that we are known for. Let the best win.