Guild Wars 2

Yes, its’s time for this thread again…

The day I stop asking for a response on this topic, is the day I stopped caring for GW2.

Return this pick is really pathetic for sale.

Already you make the mistake of putting it on sale twice, once 3rd time it right! The watchwork sprockets had found a good stabilization in the market and it took just that for the price collapses again. Actually that would spend 160 golds or € 12.50 for an unlimited pick, then they can have unlimited with a bonus (Watchwork Sprokets). Hardly anyone. It’s a shame, but hey we have to find a argument marketing to get more money.

I like my pick.
<3

It seems that the sprockets are instead of jewels

Eric.6109:

It seems that the sprockets are instead of jewels

A strangely durable myth.

Maybe, but after mining several nodes I noticed I did not get any jewels at all, while got sprockets. Using a regular pick I usually get 1,2 jewels per 2 nodes but now – nothing. Just sprockets.

Eric.6109:

Maybe, but after mining several nodes I noticed I did not get any jewels at all, while got sprockets. Using a regular pick I usually get 1,2 jewels per 2 nodes but now – nothing. Just sprockets.

I salvaged a couple rares last night and got no ecto, but I’m not going to claim that means anything.

Eric.6109:

Maybe, but after mining several nodes I noticed I did not get any jewels at all, while got sprockets. Using a regular pick I usually get 1,2 jewels per 2 nodes but now – nothing. Just sprockets.

I don’t get gems often from mining, no matter what pick I use.

Still, I do still get them using the watchwork pick. Next time I get one, I will try to remember to screen shot it.

NuclearBuddha.8641:

I salvaged a couple rares last night and got no ecto, but I’m not going to claim that means anything.

I’m not pretending to have checked this on statistical level (meaning, i haven’t used a large enough sample); just that so far, and in contrast to what I’m used to, i didn’t get any jewels.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I don’t get gems often from mining, no matter what pick I use.

Still, I do still get them using the watchwork pick. Next time I get one, I will try to remember to screen shot it.

any confirmation (one way or the other) is much appreciated.

Eric.6109:

Maybe, but after mining several nodes I noticed I did not get any jewels at all, while got sprockets. Using a regular pick I usually get 1,2 jewels per 2 nodes but now – nothing. Just sprockets.

Now that you mention it…..hmmm. I just bought another one of these and will be doing some heavy gathering this weekend. I’ll report back on what I find in terms of this possible issue.

As far as jewel gathering from node with the watchwork pick. I can also confirm that yes, jewels still drop. Actually got a beryl orb from an ori node a couple of days ago. Again, no screenie, but I will also try to get one next time.

Wasn’t the ability to get multiple ores per “hit” replaced with the Sprocket drop? Or can just till get lets say 2 irons from one hit?

Didn’t notice any change in the amount of ore collected, or in the “bonus” ore – so from that angle everything’s OK.

Approximately after how many days does this pay for itself? How many sprockets does one earn per day?

Eric, Trust me I farmed 1000’s of ore, your jewel chance is the same, sprocket is just bonus. One time i remember 3x ore, 3x jewel (same one lol, what a coincidance) and 3x sprocket from one node. Anything is possible withing the statistical chance you have for each item.

I have a lot of playtime (more then you i think francois), but atm it yields 4-5g a day for me (about 100-120 sprockets) (wich means around 500-600 total node farms). That sould mean 30 days to pay itself atm or a bit longer.

The biggest rick tbh is that to much ppl jump on sprocket bandwagon (or demand diminishes), so that the current bonus is no longer profitable. But atm it’s still stable enough.

Eric.6109:

Maybe, but after mining several nodes I noticed I did not get any jewels at all, while got sprockets. Using a regular pick I usually get 1,2 jewels per 2 nodes but now – nothing. Just sprockets.

After seeing your message, I tried with 2 different picks. “Watchwork Mining Pick” and Molten Alliance Mining Pick. I tested both on a total of 200 nodes, 100 nodes per pick. With both I have not noticed a big difference, I earn less than a jewel by 2 nodes. I did get, however, a bit more with the Molten Alliance Mining Pick. But the difference is not great.

lordkrall.7241:

Wasn’t the ability to get multiple ores per “hit” replaced with the Sprocket drop? Or can just till get lets say 2 irons from one hit?

No. Why would you perpetuate this myth? As it says in the description of the item itself, it has the exact same effectiveness as an ori pick, with the additional chance to drop sprockets.

I’d love to see the metrics on this particular day of the sale. How many people will opt for one of the lesser tools over the tool with a bonus? I wonder…

Guhracie.3419:

No. Why would you perpetuate this myth? As it says in the description of the item itself, it has the exact same effectiveness as an ori pick, with the additional chance to drop sprockets.

You might have missed the little question marks behind my sentences, which would suggest that it were questions (if the wording was not clear enough).

I am aware that it have the same effectiveness, but getting multiple ores per hit does, as far as I know, have a grand total of nothing to do with the quality of the pick. I don’t remember getting any of those with regular picks, but I am getting it quite often with my Molten, hence my question if that was also the case with the Watchwork one, or if it gained the Sprockets instead of those.

lordkrall.7241:

Wasn’t the ability to get multiple ores per “hit” replaced with the Sprocket drop? Or can just till get lets say 2 irons from one hit?

The only time I get the bonus ore like you’re talking about, seems to be from rich nodes (edit: and my home instance nodes). I still get that as well.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Eric, Trust me I farmed 1000’s of ore, your jewel chance is the same, sprocket is just bonus. One time i remember 3x ore, 3x jewel (same one lol, what a coincidance) and 3x sprocket from one node. Anything is possible withing the statistical chance you have for each item.

I have a lot of playtime (more then you i think francois), but atm it yields 4-5g a day for me (about 100-120 sprockets) (wich means around 500-600 total node farms). That sould mean 30 days to pay itself atm or a bit longer.

The biggest rick tbh is that to much ppl jump on sprocket bandwagon (or demand diminishes), so that the current bonus is no longer profitable. But atm it’s still stable enough.

Thing is, I got more sprockets than what could be considered a bonus. This is totally subjective, of course, but I got some decent amounts of them.
As far as the “risk” goes, I don’t think that there will be a major impact on prices, as the sprockets still need to be farmed, so people would rather pay than do it themselves.

Trinity.8340:

After seeing your message, I tried with 2 different picks. “Watchwork Mining Pick” and Molten Alliance Mining Pick. I tested both on a total of 200 nodes, 100 nodes per pick. With both I have not noticed a big difference, I earn less than a jewel by 2 nodes. I did get, however, a bit more with the Molten Alliance Mining Pick. But the difference is not great.

Interesting. Question is – are 200 nodes a big enough sample? I’m not sure, but I think so.
This leaves it to the player – would you rather getting some jewels and sprockets, or no sprockets but more jewels? I think if your a jeweler (as opposed to armoursmith, as an example) you’d need to put some thought here: are the so called “extra” jewels enough for you to sell and balance your buying of sprockets?

P.S: got 1 jewel now. Still way, way less from what I’m used to.

This pick is a good example why gem items should NOT create trade able resources. It disrupts a player based market. It make the game look and behave like pay-to-win. It makes people feeling forced to spend money in order to “keep up”, thus gem purchases get associated with the feeling of annoyance. Its unique in the amount of hate the item got on the forum.

So next time Anet think it might be a good idea to have a gem item produce trade able resources, hopes goes that someone says No.

Without that mining pick, the prices would be very high as the other sources are very limited. True that there’s profit in it but it also keeps supply at a reasonable level.

Eric.6109:

Maybe, but after mining several nodes I noticed I did not get any jewels at all, while got sprockets. Using a regular pick I usually get 1,2 jewels per 2 nodes but now – nothing. Just sprockets.

I get both, sometimes off the same node.

Belorn.2659:

This pick is a good example why gem items should NOT create trade able resources. It disrupts a player based market. It make the game look and behave like pay-to-win. It makes people feeling forced to spend money in order to “keep up”, thus gem purchases get associated with the feeling of annoyance. Its unique in the amount of hate the item got on the forum.

So next time Anet think it might be a good idea to have a gem item produce trade able resources, hopes goes that someone says No.

You can still buy it with gold, and in any case you don’t ah to buy it – you can always save the money (gold or cash) and just buy the sprockets you need. Worst case scenario, prices will go down a bit. So what? It’s a resource, just like any other. If it weren’t for pick, said prices would be sky-high. Anyway, as they seem inclined to introduce it again, it gives more people the chance to buy one.

For the jewels .. yes .. i still get some nice Sunstone out of iron ore now and then

Belorn.2659:

This pick is a good example why gem items should NOT create trade able resources. It disrupts a player based market. It make the game look and behave like pay-to-win. .

If you don’t like what you think is “pay to win” .. then buy the SILVER Fed Salvage-O-Matic .. because that is cleary “pay to loose”.

Eric.6109:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I don’t get gems often from mining, no matter what pick I use.

Still, I do still get them using the watchwork pick. Next time I get one, I will try to remember to screen shot it.

any confirmation (one way or the other) is much appreciated.

First mithril node of the day….
3 mithril
2 sprockets
1 sapphire
1 chrysocola

(and gold sellers galore)

I noticed on the first page of this topic some complaint about the watchwork sprockets not being available any other way than the pick, dont know if it has been addressed since then but you can in fact buy the sprocket node for your home instance from the laurel vendor. It is in the season 1 rewards tab and costs 25 laurels and 15g.

As someone who does a TON of harvesting, I can refute the myth that the Watchwork Pick (or any other unlimited pick) does not give gems from nodes. Nor does it reduce or remove the chance for extra strikes (a special bonus given from WvW favor).

The Watchwork Pick is unquestionably FAR better than any other unlimited pick on the market. I honestly cannot imagine why anyone would not buy it unless they were DEAD set on the aesthetics of the other picks. (Which is another reason why I think balancing needs to be done. Why should a player who loves the Molten Pick feel like they’re missing out just because they like the look more? It would be like Arah armor getting an innate -10% condition duration bonus, but ONLY if you use the skin. Don’t like the Arah look? Tough luck.)

But if players don’t wish to buy it, that works for me too. High sprocket prices means more money for me.

Brother Grimm.5176:

Eric.6109:

Maybe, but after mining several nodes I noticed I did not get any jewels at all, while got sprockets. Using a regular pick I usually get 1,2 jewels per 2 nodes but now – nothing. Just sprockets.

Now that you mention it…..hmmm. I just bought another one of these and will be doing some heavy gathering this weekend. I’ll report back on what I find in terms of this possible issue.

Theory disproved:

Belorn.2659:

This pick is a good example why gem items should NOT create trade able resources. It disrupts a player based market. It make the game look and behave like pay-to-win. It makes people feeling forced to spend money in order to “keep up”, thus gem purchases get associated with the feeling of annoyance. Its unique in the amount of hate the item got on the forum.

So next time Anet think it might be a good idea to have a gem item produce trade able resources, hopes goes that someone says No.

But it also shows how little “might” we have. That thread has been around for a while but A.Net doesn’t care because enough players ingame just buy the kitten ed thing. We can rant about it all day long but A.Net will just ignore it and there is nothing we can do about it. Because there is always a bigger group of people who happily buy those items.

Sadly, yes. At the end of the day, money talks the loudest. As long as there are people willing to buy, ANet will keep selling.

I still won’t discount the possibility that the other gathering tools may get a “balance pass” someday, however. We’ll have to wait and see.

this thing still exist because ppl buy it, players fault.
Anet’s fault is not creating a similar thing in game for normal players so they can have the excuse infinite watchwork pick is for “convenience”

simple as that

spiritus.7983:

this thing still exist because ppl buy it, players fault.
Anet’s fault is not creating a similar thing in game for normal players so they can have the excuse infinite watchwork pick is for “convenience”

simple as that

gold to gems.

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I love this pick, I love the anet created it. And I’m not gonna feel bad for buying it. (with gold, btw).

Brother Grimm.5176:

Brother Grimm.5176:

Eric.6109:

Maybe, but after mining several nodes I noticed I did not get any jewels at all, while got sprockets. Using a regular pick I usually get 1,2 jewels per 2 nodes but now – nothing. Just sprockets.

Now that you mention it…..hmmm. I just bought another one of these and will be doing some heavy gathering this weekend. I’ll report back on what I find in terms of this possible issue.

Theory disproved:

Not really. I know that you still get jewels, but their drop rate is certainly different with this pick.

Taygus.4571:

spiritus.7983:

this thing still exist because ppl buy it, players fault.
Anet’s fault is not creating a similar thing in game for normal players so they can have the excuse infinite watchwork pick is for “convenience”

simple as that

gold to gems.

forgot about that :P so yea, there is a way

Goatjugsoup.8637:

I noticed on the first page of this topic some complaint about the watchwork sprockets not being available any other way than the pick, dont know if it has been addressed since then but you can in fact buy the sprocket node for your home instance from the laurel vendor. It is in the season 1 rewards tab and costs 25 laurels and 15g.

I did not know that was there! Good eye, soup.

Rauderi.8706:

Goatjugsoup.8637:

I noticed on the first page of this topic some complaint about the watchwork sprockets not being available any other way than the pick, dont know if it has been addressed since then but you can in fact buy the sprocket node for your home instance from the laurel vendor. It is in the season 1 rewards tab and costs 25 laurels and 15g.

I did not know that was there! Good eye, soup.

That complaint is not needing to be addressed; Sprockets, like every other crafting mat is available on the TP through sales, as well as the home instance and the pick.

I ask this:

What do you think the price of sprockets would be if they were not available from the mining pick? Would players really be better off if the mining pick did not give sprockets?

I for one love this gathering tool.

I don’t really understand the complaints against it. Almost ALL the items in the gem store offer an extra advantage, or some exclusive capabilities.
The pick is pay2win because it gives a bit of sprockets? Seriously?
Then I guess some of you think that the Copper Fed Salvage-o-matic is also pay2win, since it’s more efficient than the basic salvage kit.
Repair canisters and rez orbs are pay2win since they give you another chance in some situations?
I’m trying to understand here, because it seems to me that according to this same kind of logic, buying gems and converting them to gold is pay2win…

Let’s be realistic and fair. Do many of the gem store items offer some kind of advantage? Yes.
Is it ok? Absolutely. You spend additional money, you get an extra feature that makes life easier. That’s the same principle that gives the “summon wolves” elite to those who bought the deluxe ed.

Pay2win would be something like “ascended items are ONLY available through the gem store”… Or stuff that would give an unfair advantage against other players.

The pick is fine. And actually I wish all the infinite gathering tools sold on the gem store had a similar feature.

Psientist.6437:

This game is feeling more and more like a business plan with a game attached than a game with a business plan attached.

That is what a contemporary MMO is. A virtual economy designed to produce real wealth with a RPG skin wrapped around it to get people to engage in said virtual economy.

Buttercup.5871:

Septemptus.7164:

Maybe gem store team.

There is no gem store team. Only Arenanet.

Actually, there is a “monetization lead” on staff. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/crystin-cox/3/957/a77

Gibson.4036:

Psientist.6437:

This game is feeling more and more like a business plan with a game attached than a game with a business plan attached.

That is what a contemporary MMO is. A virtual economy designed to produce real wealth with a RPG skin wrapped around it to get people to engage in said virtual economy.

Buttercup.5871:

Septemptus.7164:

Maybe gem store team.

There is no gem store team. Only Arenanet.

Actually, there is a “monetization lead” on staff. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/crystin-cox/3/957/a77

Which makes sense to have if you are using a cash shop model to be the prime income source after initial sale.

Eric.6109:

Not really. I know that you still get jewels, but their drop rate is certainly different with this pick.

Sorry but you “knowing” is only a fact in your own mind….prove it or I call BS.

No problem. What size should the sample be, in order to be counted as proof? Keep it sensible (as an example, a million isn’t sensible because I wouldn’t have the time nor be willing to do it).

You would need something in the order of thousands of strikes, with the Watchwork Pick and a normal Orichalcum Pick. (With perhaps another unlimited pick like the Molten Pick thrown in there for additional research purposes.) At that kind of numbers, you’re pretty much guaranteed to have avoided any extreme streaks of bad luck.

Zaxares.5419:

You would need something in the order of thousands of strikes, with the Watchwork Pick and a normal Orichalcum Pick. (With perhaps another unlimited pick like the Molten Pick thrown in there for additional research purposes.) At that kind of numbers, you’re pretty much guaranteed to have avoided any extreme streaks of bad luck.

Just to add, I would suggest the same type of node (say Mithril …..no RICH veins).

A thousand each (watchwork, Molten and Ori) is a decent number.

The only reason I can see putting this item in the game was to provide a sprocket faucet, along with the in home sprocket node, to maintain a given price in the economy of sprockets. It does provide a boost to personal income, which can provide a little extra gold for gems, or whatever. It is not enough to make a huge difference to someone’s overall game play.

A gemshop item to provide the game with much needed sprockets… to me that sounds like a horrible way to get needed items into the game.

dAcIaW.5107:

A gemshop item to provide the game with much needed sprockets… to me that sounds like a horrible way to get needed items into the game.

Well to be fair they are available without those picks as well.

lordkrall.7241:

dAcIaW.5107:

A gemshop item to provide the game with much needed sprockets… to me that sounds like a horrible way to get needed items into the game.

Well to be fair they are available without those picks as well.

Yup. I have a couple of guildies that come with my almost every day to harvest my sprocket and candy corn nodes.

And of course, there’s always the TP.

And I do get them from champ bags on occasion as well. Surprised the hell out of me when I noticed cause I didn’t think they dropped from bags anymore. But, they are a crafting material, so makes sense I suppose.

K… let me rephrase, a gemshop item that is the MAIN way of getting sprockets into the game is a horrible idea. My reasoning for it being the main method is because in a home instance you collect a few per day, but with the pick you can collect as many as you want.