Guild Wars 2

Lol they said No Itemspiral. But now theres a itemspiral. Why do you guys don’t get this?
And if you guys are so skilled pvp players, lets meet in WvW. Yellow gear vs full exotic. Winner gets 500 gold.
The fact i made this thread, is that anet lied to us about itemspiral. And that: hey now I must grind do get this **** stuff and I must upgrade my equipment to get no disadvantage. You see the point?
I MUST !. For 3 different character, different gear for different playstyles. But wait what is if I am playing two times a week?

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Nightingale.9714:

I know this is an old argument but I simply don’t have time to address each of your posts. So I’m gonna use it anyway.

IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE GAME, GET THE F—- OUT! You all make such a big.frieking.deal about EVERY LITTLE THING. They add new equipment and your first instinct is to shout BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN! Yes. Honestly you’d think that every one of you is a game developer who knows exactly how everything works and needs to be balanced. You know nothing. NOTHING.

Wrong on so many levels. Your argument here is weak because you haven’t even attempted to discuss the reason why except stating that a game developer is always right, which only shows how little you actually know. I assure you, game developers are human too, and humans are easily enticed by greed.

By the way, I think your post is an infraction hm?

Vayne.8563:

JK Arrow.7102:

What he means is that GW1 had a level cap and max gear that was reached extremely early on in the game. Only the first few hours were spent working towards stats. The other 99% of your time in game was spent doing whatever you wanted. If that meant grinding for better LOOKING gear, that was your choice. But in no way was that time spent working towards BETTER gear. That is the difference.

So there were no skills that got better in Guild Wars 1 with grinding. I’m asking because I remember grinding a whole lot of luxon points in order to get MORE POWERFUL by having my “Save Yourselves” skill upgraded so I could run my imbagon paragon in DOA.

Oh yeah and I remember upgrading my technobabble so that was more powerful by grinding out Asura rep…oh and I definitely remember grinding out my Sunspear and Lightbringer Titles to get those skills up. I often grinded to get more powerful in Guild Wars 1.

I have no idea what game you were playing.

Now it is true that that extra power had nothing to do with armor and gear…but it was still grind for power, so please spare me.

Must have touched a nerve.

Oh I played GW1 all right. 8 Characters 1 of each profession, 2 GWAMMs, over 130 total maxed titles, 6000+ hours. I played GW1.

I don’t see how you can even compare a few optional slot skills that get more powerful as your character does specific tasks related to those skills to gear that you always wear that gets replaced at the whim of the designer with something with better stats that is a time gated money sink.

This whole thing is about moving from a horizontal progression dress up game to a vertical power creep grindfest. That is why people will continue to complain.

JK Arrow.7102:

Vayne.8563:

JK Arrow.7102:

What he means is that GW1 had a level cap and max gear that was reached extremely early on in the game. Only the first few hours were spent working towards stats. The other 99% of your time in game was spent doing whatever you wanted. If that meant grinding for better LOOKING gear, that was your choice. But in no way was that time spent working towards BETTER gear. That is the difference.

So there were no skills that got better in Guild Wars 1 with grinding. I’m asking because I remember grinding a whole lot of luxon points in order to get MORE POWERFUL by having my “Save Yourselves” skill upgraded so I could run my imbagon paragon in DOA.

Oh yeah and I remember upgrading my technobabble so that was more powerful by grinding out Asura rep…oh and I definitely remember grinding out my Sunspear and Lightbringer Titles to get those skills up. I often grinded to get more powerful in Guild Wars 1.

I have no idea what game you were playing.

Now it is true that that extra power had nothing to do with armor and gear…but it was still grind for power, so please spare me.

Must have touched a nerve.

Oh I played GW1 all right. 8 Characters 1 of each profession, 2 GWAMMs, over 130 total maxed titles, 6000+ hours. I played GW1.

I don’t see how you can even compare a few optional slot skills that get more powerful as your character does specific tasks related to those skills to gear that you always wear that gets replaced at the whim of the designer with something with better stats that is a time gated money sink.

This whole thing is about moving from a horizontal progression dress up game to a vertical power creep grindfest. That is why people will continue to complain.

Sorry but those skills brought far more power to the game than ALL the ascended gear. And I mean by an order of magnitude.

Or didn’t you notice that entire builds were designed around some of them. Imbagon paragons designed around “save yourselves”. The perma sin designed around the sunspear skill.

Just pain inverter alone rewrote how easy the game was.

There is no way in creation you can seriously say that those skills didn’t have a greater impact on the ease of PvE than ascended gear will.

Edit: That’s not even counting stuff like Ursan. Looking for Ursan R8! Ring any bells?

I won’t disagree that some of the PvE skills were OP, namely the few you listed. There was plenty of complaining on the GWGuru boards about it too. Players back then realized that it trivialized much of the content. The boards were full of requests to nerf Shadow Form.

While Anet strangely changed SF to where some considered it better, they actually did reduce the effectiveness of several of the PvE sills including the well known Ursan nerf. They didn’t want people yelling Ursan R8 or kick. Which is a far cry from where we are today in GW2. Zerk anyone? Soon to be Ascended Zerk.

I’m not complaining about more ascended gear making content easier, although it will. I’m complaining about added vertical progression that we were led to believe wouldn’t be a part of this revolutionary ground breaking innovative MMO.

JK Arrow.7102:

I’m not complaining about more ascended gear making content easier, although it will. I’m complaining about added vertical progression that we were led to believe wouldn’t be a part of this revolutionary ground breaking innovative MMO.

This is one of many of the problems. I, for one, wouldn’t have bought the game had I known a treadmill was in the works.
Yes, it is a grind treadmill. Just because some self-proclaimed MMO experts here that have played a few other MMO’s with a worse treadmill than here, doesn’t mean just because this one is less that it doesn’t exist. That argument is invalid. I’ve played a much worse gear treadmill myself, this one is less intense, but thats where its heading.
So what if they spread it over months between releases? It still invalidates all the gear you have worked on and customized for the last few months. Whatever the power hop is from exotic to ascended, regardless of percentage, it still invalidates your ‘best’ gear down to second rate. Call it ‘not that bad’ or ‘not making exotic irrelevant’ or whatever you want or regardless of how anyone wants to sugarcoat it, your exotic gear is now transitional gear.
Add on top of that the time gating of 2 weeks per piece (goodbye gearing alts), and the game becomes a job. You must login everyday to get mats/money and craft this new gear if you want to get it even remotely timely, especially if your character uses multiple weapon sets (and really, who doesnt?). Currently, the most timely fashion of getting money to buy these mats is via repetitive zerg champ farming, which by the definition of grind being a mindless task repeated over and over, is a grindfest.

So now you have a gearspiral guised under slow release rate, with the best option to farm for being a grinding zergfest and an obligatory reason to have to login everyday or fall behind, with the addition of no new content or reason for this gear other than be a gearspiral.
Sounds about as innovative as any other run-of-the-mill MMO that’s had a treadmill in the last 10 years.
While I’m sure some people will call me or anyone else against this as a crybaby, overreacting, or just whining……..call it what it is. Its expressing disappointment in seeing this MMO, that was touted as innovative and going to change the standards, take the tired path of just about every other MMO out there. We were ready for something new.

Its not rocket science. Lets ignore the problems this causes for WvW.

In PvE. Its a tale spun in EVERY mmo to date except maybe Eve.

World is built for x stats on gear.
people make max level and say they are bored.
The introduce gear/items that increase that stat.
People get to max stats again and say they are bored.
They increase the item stats again. This time making it take longer/harder to get.
People reach max stats and are now farming the original content. The world is trivial.
They increase the difficulty of the world.
New player comes in and faces empty starter areas and a weakened character strength compared to the first groups going through the content.

This is the cycle we were hoping Anet would stop with GW2. This is the main problem with treadmill MMOs and was one of the big reasons people preorders in RECORD numbers… to try and get away for the normal treadmill/cycle.

THAT is why we are upset… sorry you wanted another WoW clone… the rest of us wanted ONE… ONE freaken mmo without this cycle and Anet broke it for quick cash.

JK Arrow.7102:

I won’t disagree that some of the PvE skills were OP, namely the few you listed. There was plenty of complaining on the GWGuru boards about it too. Players back then realized that it trivialized much of the content. The boards were full of requests to nerf Shadow Form.

While Anet strangely changed SF to where some considered it better, they actually did reduce the effectiveness of several of the PvE sills including the well known Ursan nerf. They didn’t want people yelling Ursan R8 or kick. Which is a far cry from where we are today in GW2. Zerk anyone? Soon to be Ascended Zerk.

I’m not complaining about more ascended gear making content easier, although it will. I’m complaining about added vertical progression that we were led to believe wouldn’t be a part of this revolutionary ground breaking innovative MMO.

I understand. I’m just not understanding the difference between skill progression, which you had to grind to level or gear progression which you can get casually if you want.

Grind is grind. I didn’t grind in Guild Wars 1 and I’m not grinding here. It’s just a mindset.

Plenty of people thought Guild Wars 1 was grindy as hell…it wasn’t for gear. But the gear here, even though it’s BIS…it just doesn’t make that much of a difference.

That’s why I can let it go. That doesn’t mean I’m thrilled about it. But I don’t see this as game breaking, that’s all.

My preference would be cosmetic only progression but I understand too many people can’t live with that…and that is a problem.

When I read things like “How can you say that GW2 is doing bad? Population is rising, Anet is doing great!” or “It’s great because you get 1 year of free content” or “You don’t like it, don’t play it, there’s plenty to do” my antennae fall.
The game is collapsing under the pile of toxic content. Toxic is the best description I could come up with. Why toxic? Because it destroys, negates, minimises the meaning of, archaizes every piece of content we enjoyed till the Living World didn’t kick in. PvP updates are non-existent, so do WvW. 2/3 of flagship GW2 gameplay type is rotting. 1/3 is rotten already.
Nothing good came out of these updates. They are leading to sweet (bittersweet) oblivion of uninteresting gameplay.

When I’ve heard – horizontal progression I thought of having multiple ways of testing my max leveled and geared character in many difficult challenges that required solo effort of group cooperation and coordination.
Every thing of this was corrupted by taking course to most uninnovative gameplay I could think of.
Really, Ascended items are there FOR WHAT!? Tell my, should I spend hours and hours of getting one if I’m perfectly fine with exotics and even rares? Is there anyhing that requires it? Any monster? Any door to smash? Any coffer to open? Any player to beat? Anything?
I really feel that I’m treated like an idiot.
Where do you get with all this? You have filled this game with so many weapon skins. For what? So much manpower wasted so we could just turn of World Character Detail in options so Lion’s Arch load in reasonable time of 2 minutes.
Why after one year EVEN ONE THING haven’t been introduced to improve existing gameplay? Even one tiny? Tiniest? Ok, necromancer minions are better at attacking now (but still there are problems with them). But this was squashing bug. So don’t count.
When I enter map I don’t see any changes. Worse – I see battalion of pirates that are spoiling my adventuring and horde of players that are affecting quality of my game.
I’ve never completed Molten Facility (I’ve been disconnected about 10 times and I’ve resigned, later didn’t found time to try again), haven’t had time to try Aetherblade base. Now they’re gone. But I can always escort some npc 30 times to a balloon (which I did, God help me). Was it fun? kitten me if I agree. I did it so I could get 6k Achievement Point chest. It was a sore to do. And some of the towers were buggy…

The game for me is falling to ruin. I’ve created another character (second necro) to just enjoy it. I’m going on fumes here.
I’d really like for someone from Anet just put a message of forum:
“Dear Players. we have read all the complain, praise and feedback posts. We’ve made a list of things to fix. Here it is: [list]. In the next week we will be getting votes on order on which we will be completing this list. We will be opening PTR, so anyone interested in testing created content, please sign [here]. In about 2 months you should start getting invites. Our ideas on how to improve the game are as follow: [list]. We have created different threads on each position of this list to gather feedback on how this should be made. We are listening.”
I’d wet my pants if such post was ever written by Anet staff.

Vayne.8563:

Plenty of people thought Guild Wars 1 was grindy as hell…it wasn’t for gear. But the gear here, even though it’s BIS…it just doesn’t make that much of a difference.

I ground out multiple sets of Obsidian armor for various alts. I enjoyed very much doing that. But once I had that gear, my stats were still exactly the same as the guy who had the cheapest set of gear. And I thought that was revolutionary, and a very, very good thing.

Skill and imagination made that game so much fun to play.

Having better numbers than someone else just because I had more time to grind out some gear doesn’t make me a better player. Which is what I hated about all those other MMO’s.

Gah…I don’t know why I bother. I’ve said this a hundred times on these forums. ArenaNet aren’t trying to make a good game. There’s no pride or prestige in anything in GW2. It’s all fluff, or bought with the credit card. And always will be. I don’t think they’re going to change at all.

And I’d be willing to bet that the next time there’s a sharp dropoff in players, they’ll add more tier gear to grind…

I reluctantly accepted the introduction of the Ascended bullcrap a while ago, but I’m not gonna accept another step in this direction once the armors & weapons are released. No levelcap increase and no stupid “stronger infusions” they mentioned back in november.

These items we’re announced atleast 7 months ago, what do people expect ?

Most of the people play for character progression , some need something to work for .. People complain about 2 weeks a weapon ? It should have been 1 month per item.

I know folks who sit on 300 laurels and 300 ascended rings in their banks. Im glad we are not reduced to doing daily for the rest of the year thank you very much.

We had this QQ back in november. Since then we knew this was coming. We’re getting one tier which is ascended. If they announce another higher tier then you can QQ all you want.

Vayne.8563:

I’m not grinding here. It’s just a mindset.

the gear here, even though it’s BIS…it just doesn’t make that much of a difference.

That’s why I can let it go. That doesn’t mean I’m thrilled about it.

My preference would be cosmetic only progression but I understand too many people can’t live with that…and that is a problem.

I always liked reading your posts…but this sounds like giving up and accepting it or settling for less. It is a mindset……that is being put in place for the sole purpose of making that mindset. If there’s no content that needs it, why add it? Its a carrot that’s not even disguised under any new content at all.
What’s being claimed as not much of a difference at all, is debatable. 11% is a difference nonetheless, and I would assume the stats of ascended armor is going to push the percentage difference from someone in exotic only more. And if they continue the trend and add some new transcended gear next year for another 11%, with nothing beyond temporary fluff content added in the meantime? At what point does it become a significant difference? When does it become a problem?

When people asked me why they should leave their current MMO for this one, I used to have reasons to tell them. This may not be game-breaking (yet), but its game altering enough that I can’t think of enough significant differences between this game and any other MMO to recommend someone leave one for this one. Its becoming mostly the same tired MMO clichés in a prettier “innovative” package.

LOL i cannot believe the OP was infracted for this post, The moderator who issued that needs to explain how that post was rude, condescending, and/or inflammatory?

Its only now people are waking up and start seeing where gw2 is going? Only took ya’ll 1 year…

Vayne.8563:

JK Arrow.7102:

I won’t disagree that some of the PvE skills were OP, namely the few you listed. There was plenty of complaining on the GWGuru boards about it too. Players back then realized that it trivialized much of the content. The boards were full of requests to nerf Shadow Form.

While Anet strangely changed SF to where some considered it better, they actually did reduce the effectiveness of several of the PvE sills including the well known Ursan nerf. They didn’t want people yelling Ursan R8 or kick. Which is a far cry from where we are today in GW2. Zerk anyone? Soon to be Ascended Zerk.

I’m not complaining about more ascended gear making content easier, although it will. I’m complaining about added vertical progression that we were led to believe wouldn’t be a part of this revolutionary ground breaking innovative MMO.

I understand. I’m just not understanding the difference between skill progression, which you had to grind to level or gear progression which you can get casually if you want.

Grind is grind. I didn’t grind in Guild Wars 1 and I’m not grinding here. It’s just a mindset.

Plenty of people thought Guild Wars 1 was grindy as hell…it wasn’t for gear. But the gear here, even though it’s BIS…it just doesn’t make that much of a difference.

That’s why I can let it go. That doesn’t mean I’m thrilled about it. But I don’t see this as game breaking, that’s all.

My preference would be cosmetic only progression but I understand too many people can’t live with that…and that is a problem.

Honest question, why is it that it’s okay that some people can’t live with cosmetic only progression, but it’s not okay that some people can’t live with gear progression?

butch.8136:

We had this QQ back in november. Since then we knew this was coming. We’re getting one tier which is ascended. If they announce another higher tier then you can QQ all you want.

First Legendary, now ascended.
First Jewels, now weapons, later gear.
Like a new tier. You see the point?

So many guys are against this, and ANet do nothing for that! Why do you ignore us, Arena Net?

morrolan.9608:

Too late……………………

Guild Wars 2, the game where there are no Guild Wars, and the story doesn’t matter.

MandJ.8965:

butch.8136:

We had this QQ back in november. Since then we knew this was coming. We’re getting one tier which is ascended. If they announce another higher tier then you can QQ all you want.

First Legendary, now ascended.
First Jewels, now weapons, later gear.
Like a new tier. You see the point?

So many guys are against this, and ANet do nothing for that! Why do you ignore us, Arena Net?

No one likes their stupid Trait system, no one likes spvp game mode, most hate downed state (especially in anything pvp involved) and what is anet doing? Nothing but monetize downed state…

Nuka Cola.8520:

MandJ.8965:

butch.8136:

We had this QQ back in november. Since then we knew this was coming. We’re getting one tier which is ascended. If they announce another higher tier then you can QQ all you want.

First Legendary, now ascended.
First Jewels, now weapons, later gear.
Like a new tier. You see the point?

So many guys are against this, and ANet do nothing for that! Why do you ignore us, Arena Net?

No one likes their stupid Trait system, no one likes spvp game mode, most hate downed state (especially in anything pvp involved) and what is anet doing? Nothing but monetize downed state…

That why you stopped playing and no one else plays it right?

Jski.6180:

Nuka Cola.8520:

MandJ.8965:

butch.8136:

We had this QQ back in november. Since then we knew this was coming. We’re getting one tier which is ascended. If they announce another higher tier then you can QQ all you want.

First Legendary, now ascended.
First Jewels, now weapons, later gear.
Like a new tier. You see the point?

So many guys are against this, and ANet do nothing for that! Why do you ignore us, Arena Net?

No one likes their stupid Trait system, no one likes spvp game mode, most hate downed state (especially in anything pvp involved) and what is anet doing? Nothing but monetize downed state…

That why you stopped playing and no one else plays it right?

Absolutely right.

Nuka Cola.8520:

Jski.6180:

Nuka Cola.8520:

MandJ.8965:

butch.8136:

We had this QQ back in november. Since then we knew this was coming. We’re getting one tier which is ascended. If they announce another higher tier then you can QQ all you want.

First Legendary, now ascended.
First Jewels, now weapons, later gear.
Like a new tier. You see the point?

So many guys are against this, and ANet do nothing for that! Why do you ignore us, Arena Net?

No one likes their stupid Trait system, no one likes spvp game mode, most hate downed state (especially in anything pvp involved) and what is anet doing? Nothing but monetize downed state…

That why you stopped playing and no one else plays it right?

Absolutely right.

Yet your on these forums how odd.

Jski.6180:

Nuka Cola.8520:

Jski.6180:

Nuka Cola.8520:

MandJ.8965:

butch.8136:

We had this QQ back in november. Since then we knew this was coming. We’re getting one tier which is ascended. If they announce another higher tier then you can QQ all you want.

First Legendary, now ascended.
First Jewels, now weapons, later gear.
Like a new tier. You see the point?

So many guys are against this, and ANet do nothing for that! Why do you ignore us, Arena Net?

No one likes their stupid Trait system, no one likes spvp game mode, most hate downed state (especially in anything pvp involved) and what is anet doing? Nothing but monetize downed state…

That why you stopped playing and no one else plays it right?

Absolutely right.

Yet your on these forums how odd.

Very odd, yes.

Judge Banks.9018:

morrolan.9608:

Too late……………………

Guild Wars 2, the game where there are no Guild Wars, and the story doesn’t matter.

Why didn’t Anet implement Guild Wars in Guild Wars 2? That’s just plain stupidity on their part. If the game is called “Guild Wars”, then having guild wars is a valid expectation from a player’s point of view. It shows they have no idea what they’re actually doing.

MandJ.8965:

butch.8136:

We had this QQ back in november. Since then we knew this was coming. We’re getting one tier which is ascended. If they announce another higher tier then you can QQ all you want.

First Legendary, now ascended.
First Jewels, now weapons, later gear.
Like a new tier. You see the point?

So many guys are against this, and ANet do nothing for that! Why do you ignore us, Arena Net?

K, you rather have them add in one go then? Sjeez, you get my point (I hope). After the armor it should be done, if not then we can all complain. They add it slowly, because they don’t want to overwelm people.

butch.8136:

MandJ.8965:

butch.8136:

We had this QQ back in november. Since then we knew this was coming. We’re getting one tier which is ascended. If they announce another higher tier then you can QQ all you want.

First Legendary, now ascended.
First Jewels, now weapons, later gear.
Like a new tier. You see the point?

So many guys are against this, and ANet do nothing for that! Why do you ignore us, Arena Net?

K, you rather have them add in one go then? Sjeez, you get my point (I hope). After the armor it should be done, if not then we can all complain. They add it slowly, because they don’t want to overwelm people.

Yes i get. But now my point: I must !grind! It for three classes, for different builds. But i have no time to do this. Because when I want to play, I want to play. Not ‘work’ to have no disadvantage. And arena net tout wiht this. And it was a lie what they said. And that makes me, and many others angry. You have now an disadvantage without it.

Raine.1394:

Sadly, yes, it’s too late. And, it’s maddening for those who love this game. GW2 could have been great had it continued as a new kind of MMO in this regard.

This.

Coming from a GW1 player, and their multiple advertising about it, its sad that they gone that way.

TooBz.3065:

Honest question, why is it that it’s okay that some people can’t live with cosmetic only progression, but it’s not okay that some people can’t live with gear progression?

Maybe ANet figures that the progression demographic will follow through on their threats to quit and the no progression demographic won’t. After all, they can go to other games that feature gear progression. Where can we go?

IndigoSundown.5419:

TooBz.3065:

Honest question, why is it that it’s okay that some people can’t live with cosmetic only progression, but it’s not okay that some people can’t live with gear progression?

Maybe ANet figures that the progression demographic will follow through on their threats to quit and the no progression demographic won’t. After all, they can go to other games that feature gear progression. Where can we go?

I’m starting to think that if I began a studio that made a good game that was everything GW2 promised to be…and most certainly skill-based and not gear-based…

…there’d be a lot of people who’d buy it.

hmmm….

Dual.8953:

I’m under the impression that they aren’t going beyond ascended, can someone show where they’ve stated otherwise? Not “they made ascended therefore…” As far as raw stats are concerned, this game is still largely skill based. Rares can beat exotics.

Everyone was under the impression they werent going beyond exotics.

And they said there wont be new tier…this year.

You can beat “exotics” in whites. But WTF does anybody care about beating someone with no skill?

MandJ.8965:

butch.8136:

MandJ.8965:

butch.8136:

We had this QQ back in november. Since then we knew this was coming. We’re getting one tier which is ascended. If they announce another higher tier then you can QQ all you want.

First Legendary, now ascended.
First Jewels, now weapons, later gear.
Like a new tier. You see the point?

So many guys are against this, and ANet do nothing for that! Why do you ignore us, Arena Net?

K, you rather have them add in one go then? Sjeez, you get my point (I hope). After the armor it should be done, if not then we can all complain. They add it slowly, because they don’t want to overwelm people.

Yes i get. But now my point: I must !grind! It for three classes, for different builds. But i have no time to do this. Because when I want to play, I want to play. Not ‘work’ to have no disadvantage. And arena net tout wiht this. And it was a lie what they said. And that makes me, and many others angry. You have now an disadvantage without it.

Well, if it’s achievable through playing your beloved content wouldn’t that be fine then? I assume you play WvW mainly, ‘cus only there you could be at a slight disadvantage. So if they make it accesible through playing WvW, then I don’t see the problem.

IndigoSundown.5419:

TooBz.3065:

Honest question, why is it that it’s okay that some people can’t live with cosmetic only progression, but it’s not okay that some people can’t live with gear progression?

Maybe ANet figures that the progression demographic will follow through on their threats to quit and the no progression demographic won’t. After all, they can go to other games that feature gear progression. Where can we go?

Progression demographic has games that do progression much bettrer than GW2. Old and few on horizon. And they certanly wont be satisfied with ascended.

Galtrix.7369:

Judge Banks.9018:

morrolan.9608:

Too late……………………

Guild Wars 2, the game where there are no Guild Wars, and the story doesn’t matter.

Why didn’t Anet implement Guild Wars in Guild Wars 2? That’s just plain stupidity on their part. If the game is called “Guild Wars”, then having guild wars is a valid expectation from a player’s point of view. It shows they have no idea what they’re actually doing.

Because they wanted to do things differently. Why weren’t they based on the core of succesfull GW systems I don’t know. It’s similar to Diablo 3. It’s so different, it’s a completely new game. Diablo? Because there’s few known characters? It’s too little.
So many things were erased, substracted, and very little added. Only pace – the game is quicker.
Also here – to have the game more easy to get into, we received product very different. So different that many players who expected better and more broad, vast version of the first part were just sorely surprised. Many negatively.
But what’s worse it’s like Devs are learning from the point zero. Like they forgot how they managed to create this whole game and now are throwing random things supposedly because of players’ demands.
Now we have videos before every update showing everything to people. Why?! I’d expect some explanations – where are they headed, what have made them to create this. Not – showing how to create Ascended weapons. People would manage that themselves! In Anet’s eyes are we really that uncreative? The system of creating Ascended stuff is similar to old crafting, there’s nothing new! If you wanted to get us into this, why not add some NPCs to the game and have them display few lines of text explaining which is what.
Why do you take game from the game?
With WvW movie – we’ve got presentation of few abilities from less popular masteries.
Because they think that they got too little love. Well, make them more useful if you want players to use them. And have the game show players how useful can it be – create turorial map where every siege weapon is available and every mastery maxed and let people try everything there. When in Borderlands, you’re expected to follow the commander orders, because you are taking place of other players who would like to play WvW seriously.

Please, rethink your approach to this game, because it’s getting more and more ridiculous to a point where normal person will feel offended.

silvermember.8941:

Dual.8953:

I’m under the impression that they aren’t going beyond ascended, can someone show where they’ve stated otherwise? Not “they made ascended therefore…” As far as raw stats are concerned, this game is still largely skill based. Rares can beat exotics.

People are just being overly dramatic, welcome to the forums. They are just extrapolating based on non existent information and hyperbole.

Generally, it is done by former guild wars 1 players that tend to idealize guild wars 1 as the perfect game with no grind (which makes this game look like a kitten in terms of grinding).

Sure I’d be happy to give you the quote that they are going beyond Ascended and this in from Chris W in the AMA back in November:

“we will have vertical progression moving forward with the focus on zero grind and a very low power curve.”

Ascended is not really the issue at all; it is simply the state of gear at one power level at one point in time. The key to understanding this discussion is to understand that what they actually added to the game was vertical progression (reread the quote here), not so much ascended gear. Vertical progression simply does not progress by stopping. The only possible way for it to stop with Ascended gear is if they announce the removal of vertical progression from the game and they haven’t done that to date. That’s why you see all these threads. VP is a blight on gaming and needs to be removed as an instance of very bad judgment on Anet’s part.

Yes because Ascended gear matter SO MUCH.. sigh

Direksone.3867:

Yes because Ascended gear matter SO MUCH.. sigh

I’d expect for new gear to come with enemies to use it againts.
Every kitten movie has the same formula – we get attacked, we are losing, we are creating weapon to fight back, we fight back, we win.
Here – we are attacked, we win, we create weapons. <head explodes>

MikaHR.1978:

IndigoSundown.5419:

TooBz.3065:

Honest question, why is it that it’s okay that some people can’t live with cosmetic only progression, but it’s not okay that some people can’t live with gear progression?

Maybe ANet figures that the progression demographic will follow through on their threats to quit and the no progression demographic won’t. After all, they can go to other games that feature gear progression. Where can we go?

Progression demographic has games that do progression much bettrer than GW2. Old and few on horizon. And they certanly wont be satisfied with ascended.

There is a major conflict between players who want gear progression and those who don’t. Ascended is what you get when you try to cater to both.

Let’s look at some numbers for the reality of it.

Now I use knights gear and went with knights stats. I found out that there isn’t actually a knights jewel, orb or crest.

However, looking at the numbers, if there was, it would be like this…

Exotic Knight’s ring with a knight’s stat exquisite jewel

power: 48 + 15 = 63
precision: 48 + 15 = 63
toughness: 67 + 25 = 92

An ascended ring with knight’s stats

Power: 68
Precision: 68
Toughness: 103

So the ascended, as just a base value, offers 8% better stats to power and precision and 12% better stats to toughness than the exotic and jewel combined.

The pattern that I’m seeing is that for every 30 point increase provided by the exotic, there is close to a 4% increase. So how would this work with armor?

Exotic Knight’s chest piece with a knight’s crest or orb if there was one.

Power: 72 + 14 = 86
Precision: 72 + 14 = 86
Toughness: 101 + 20 = 121

So what would the ascended version supply?

Power: 96
Precision: 96
Toughness: 140

For a % increase of 12/12/16 respectively. Now people don’t really use orbs and crests. They use Runes. So the ascended would offer better stats than what the exotic armor plus crest/orb combined, and still offer a rune slot?

I’d certainly hope not.

If they follow the way of the trinkets, the armor and weapons would offer better stats than their exotic counter part plus orb/crest, and would allow for the same infusion upgrade as the trinkets. This would certainly put ascended more on par if you couldn’t use runes and sigils with them.

Legendary weapons would then continue to have stats matching exotic since they too use sigils.

It would better if all stat are the same! And Ascended Weapons gets infusions, exotic gets sgills and legendarys become..something else but all stats are the same. Ascended trinkets okay, but no ascended gear. THAT would be the right way! That and nothing else, in my opinion.

IndigoSundown.5419:

MikaHR.1978:

IndigoSundown.5419:

TooBz.3065:

Honest question, why is it that it’s okay that some people can’t live with cosmetic only progression, but it’s not okay that some people can’t live with gear progression?

Maybe ANet figures that the progression demographic will follow through on their threats to quit and the no progression demographic won’t. After all, they can go to other games that feature gear progression. Where can we go?

Progression demographic has games that do progression much bettrer than GW2. Old and few on horizon. And they certanly wont be satisfied with ascended.

There is a major conflict between players who want gear progression and those who don’t. Ascended is what you get when you try to cater to both.

And the funny thing is that it really caters only those who want gear progression. Like in every other MMO.

cillercammy.8064:

I think all these angry posts sound quite ridiculous. Here are my thoughts!

-First: Anet stated last November that Ascended gear was supposed to be in game at launch, but didn’t make it do to budget and time constraints.

-Second: There is NO higher tier content being added with ascended weapons. Meaning you don’t even need them for any part of the game other than just having them with their MINIMAL stat increase. If you don’t want one, don’t craft one. It will not matter.

-Third: This is not a GearTreadmill nor is it a ItemSpiral. Those occur when new tiers are added every 2-4 months. It has now been over a year and we don’t even have a full tier added ( just rings, back pieces, trinkets and the soon to be weapons).

The thought of rage quitting a game over a new tier weapon with a tiny stat increase just sounds absurd. Do people expect Anet to still just hand out weapon skins 5 years down the road? I love new skins, but skin wars 2 won’t survive. People will not care in 5 years when they have over 600 new weapon skins in their bank. I think they have found a great balance to please both types of players. New tier for those who wont better stats but minimal enough so that no one needs them to appeal to those who don’t want them.

in the end I feel really bad for everyone who has or will rage quit. When all is said and done, I think Anet is doing a great job here. The game is growing, changing and in my opinion getting better with age. I feel bad for everyone who will miss out and such a great MMO down the road.

+1

so what? you guys wanna quit cause you got something to do? what do you want Anet to do?

Keyo.9613:

cillercammy.8064:

I think all these angry posts sound quite ridiculous. Here are my thoughts!

-First: Anet stated last November that Ascended gear was supposed to be in game at launch, but didn’t make it do to budget and time constraints.

-Second: There is NO higher tier content being added with ascended weapons. Meaning you don’t even need them for any part of the game other than just having them with their MINIMAL stat increase. If you don’t want one, don’t craft one. It will

not matter.

-Third: This is not a GearTreadmill nor is it a ItemSpiral. Those occur when new tiers are added every 2-4 months. It has now been over a year and we don’t even have a full tier added ( just rings, back pieces, trinkets and the soon to be weapons).

The thought of rage quitting a game over a new tier weapon with a tiny stat increase just sounds absurd. Do people expect Anet to still just hand out weapon skins 5 years down the road? I love new skins, but skin wars 2 won’t survive. People will not care in 5 years when they have over 600 new weapon skins in their bank. I think they have found a great balance to please both types of players. New tier for those who wont better stats but minimal enough so that no one needs them to appeal to those who don’t want them.

in the end I feel really bad for everyone who has or will rage quit. When all is said and done, I think Anet is doing a great job here. The game is growing, changing and in my opinion getting better with age. I feel bad for everyone who will miss out and such a great MMO down the road.

+1

so what? you guys wanna quit cause you got something to do? what do you want Anet to do?

Bravo! Well said finally someone with sense!

offence.4726:

These items we’re announced atleast 7 months ago, what do people expect ?

Most of the people play for character progression , some need something to work for .. People complain about 2 weeks a weapon ? It should have been 1 month per item.

I know folks who sit on 300 laurels and 300 ascended rings in their banks. Im glad we are not reduced to doing daily for the rest of the year thank you very much.

Laurels are tied to weapons too so, if you aren’t sitting on 300 laurels…you get my point. Not only does this screw over Alts/Alternate builds but also new 80’s newer player or not. Time-gates are just poor design especially when limited to per day instead of say, per week or per 3-5 days a week.

And you are wrong when you say “Most” players play for progression. You can’t know that. You may play for that because you have been trained that way, but I am in the camp that plays to
1. See Content
2. Having fun playing in said content
3. Experimenting with different looks(if possible)
4. Improving my pvp skills and have fun battling actual players

I’m not even against treadmills in general. I liked WoW for my time spent there. The treadmill there and other games like it made sense though. Power Creep, as evil akittens heart as I think it is, it serves an actual purpose in those type of games. Content is made stronger so you spend the time gearing a character to move through it. Those games also have huge content releases, more skills, more levels and ACTUAL CONTENT THAT MUST USE AN INCLING OF STRATEGY BECAUSE THE MECHANICS in many of those fights are pretty good. Most bosses actually feel epic in other games. + Raids man, I’d do raids even if there weren’t a chance at better gear, infact…I have when I was all maxed out plenty.

Also, you see..the time-gate thing gets to me. Why? If these items can only be crafted for your account, meaning only you…what does it matter if you can put in the time to get as many items as you want? Oh, that’s right…people can’t come up with goals of things to do and have to be handheld through everything. Yay, this gives me something to work towards. Right.

Two better options would have been:
(someone posted in another thread)
Since the time-gate is once per day and everyone can’t play everyday, make it so it’s 7 per week so a player can play one day and still be on pace as a player who plays everyday. Laurels should be this way imo also.

or get rid of the time gate and make all components Account Bound and make each player just work for the items. Only hindrance is yourself. You can’t make any money making these items, or use any money getting them either.

God Forbid any great suggestions be taken into consideration like ascending exotics you already have.

IndigoSundown.5419:

MikaHR.1978:

IndigoSundown.5419:

TooBz.3065:

Honest question, why is it that it’s okay that some people can’t live with cosmetic only progression, but it’s not okay that some people can’t live with gear progression?

Maybe ANet figures that the progression demographic will follow through on their threats to quit and the no progression demographic won’t. After all, they can go to other games that feature gear progression. Where can we go?

Progression demographic has games that do progression much bettrer than GW2. Old and few on horizon. And they certanly wont be satisfied with ascended.

There is a major conflict between players who want gear progression and those who don’t. Ascended is what you get when you try to cater to both.

Exactly. It will satisfy neither. Thats the funny part.

ascended should be available with badges and something u only get through wvw. maybe tokens or something that drop from tower caps and keep caps? not laurels, not gold and also not crafting. as wvw i would rather use the mystic forge to make them with mats that can only drop in wvw.

how about a certain amout of tower tokens, certain amount of badges, certain amount of keep tokens and an exotic version of the acended weapon u want.

Yargesh.4965:

So much panic, so much over the top screaming. If you play the game after the introduction and don’t like it fine. If it becomes a question of the zerg with the better stats (funny in itself) ‘winning’ then complain.
The thing it that they have already done what you are telling them not to do. There is zero chance that the people responsible for the game will suddenly say Tuesday morning ‘hey wait a minute this will kill the game!’. They have already been down that road and feel that it will not ‘kill the game’.
It could very well result in people leaving. But that has already been taken into account and will probably be lost in the noise of people coming and going for other reasons.

Talk to Turbine and SOE/LA about LOTRO and SWG.

Turbine officially apologized to their players….after 2 years and going F2P and burning on last fumes. SWG…legendary story.

Im sure theyve all “taken it into account” rofl

selan.8354:

ascended should be available with badges and something u only get through wvw. maybe tokens or something that drop from tower caps and keep caps? not laurels, not gold and also not crafting. as wvw i would rather use the mystic forge to make them with mats that can only drop in wvw.

how about a certain amout of tower tokens, certain amount of badges, certain amount of keep tokens and an exotic version of the acended weapon u want.

I would be a very happy person if this came true.

MikaHR.1978:

Yargesh.4965:

So much panic, so much over the top screaming. If you play the game after the introduction and don’t like it fine. If it becomes a question of the zerg with the better stats (funny in itself) ‘winning’ then complain.
The thing it that they have already done what you are telling them not to do. There is zero chance that the people responsible for the game will suddenly say Tuesday morning ‘hey wait a minute this will kill the game!’. They have already been down that road and feel that it will not ‘kill the game’.
It could very well result in people leaving. But that has already been taken into account and will probably be lost in the noise of people coming and going for other reasons.

Talk to Turbine and SOE/LA about LOTRO and SWG.

Turbine officially apologized to their players….after 2 years and going F2P and burning on last fumes. SWG…legendary story.

Im sure theyve all “taken it into account” rofl

Indeed. What happened to SWG can happen to any of these games. Game companies seem to think their decisions are made of gold plated adamantium with unobtainium rivets. It’s one thing for players to suggest what they do want, it’s another to not listen and not implement something they really don’t want.

I guess we will see. Sometimes you have to learn by doing. Took me a few hours to check out other MMO’s in preparation of me making my decision to stay or leave. I may have fun in game and have got my monies worth, but I usually speak with attendance on whether I accept the direction a game goes. If a game has a sub then I speak with my wallet too. I left SWG, WoW, Vanguard, WAR, AOC and SWTOR on a whim because of a few decisions made by devs and their companies, even when I was having fun.

After finding some live games I could venture off too, I once again came across some upcoming titles that look very promising. Icarus/Bless/BnS and Black Desert.