Guild Wars 2

Yuiuo.8017:

Just make solo que have the same maps of team que

skyhammer doesn’t have a sense for the difference that can have a cc or an immobilize.

without stun breaker/condi removal:

immobilize on glasses = dead

random cc in the wrong position = dead

if you want to be an esport game i think the 1 cc into dead mechanic is not the best way to go

why do you continue to believe in this map?

We (all the pvp community) don’t understand!

1. Why would you walk in the breakable tiles rather than dodge/rolling over it?

2. Secondly, you speak for yourself. A lot of us actually enjoy the map and the uniqueness it brings over the standard bunker based gameplay you tend to see on just about every other map.

you know what will lead they remove sky hammer? Everyone when you see it’s sky hammer, just type “GG” and rage quit.

I just ignore the posts of Apparition from now on, I thought about it why it always made me angry reading his posts, now I know why, cause he said out loud what was always present in his posts:
1. Only I am right and only my points count
2. Everything everyone else says is wrong and just QQ, noone else has valid points, and if they point out valid points they are not valid and if there is a proper explanation I just ignore it still stating noone else has valid points.

must be nice to live in ones own dreamland….

ah and I think calling ppl like ostricheggs a bad player is ….. ambitious

Duran.3196:

I just ignore the posts of Apparition from now on, I thought about it why it always made me angry reading his posts, now I know why, cause he said out loud what was always present in his posts:
1. Only I am right and only my points count
2. Everything everyone else says is wrong and just QQ, noone else has valid points, and if they point out valid points they are not valid and if there is a proper explanation I just ignore it still stating noone else has valid points.

must be nice to live in ones own dreamland….

ah and I think calling ppl like ostricheggs a bad player is ….. ambitious

I’m not sure how exactly any questions I have asked in this post angered you. You go into a PvP map to PvP. You made a mistake by walking on top of breakable glass and got caught in it.

I personally always tend to go around these “breakable” floors exactly for this reason. It’s not my intentions to anger anyone with my post. But to bring RELEVANCY as to exactly why this map should be deleted.

It’s like playing a healing support build and getting upset with your lack of dps. These type of statements needs to be justified. You cannot expect for any changes to incur if you cannot even properly justify the deletion of the map.

Am I biased? Absolutely, but my bias statements are justified with my posts. I personally think the map is genius and brings a perfect blend to a boring concept of a game… conquest…

Harbinger.8637:

Pixels.6532:

Nothing worse than saying to yourself, “I’ll play one more game.” And then this cancer of a map pops up.

This is generally how it goes for me:

First game: Skyhammer, ok whatever luck of the draw I guess.
Second game: Spirit Watch, ugh better but still bad.
Third game: Skyhammer, why you hate me so much Anet.

Sad part about this is I’m not even joking. Just played two games today. Both where Skyhammer, and both times someone on the other team quit making it a 5v4.

Like it just ruined my whole mood to even play pvp today.

Skyhammer forces a lack of build diversity and a promotion of people using cheesy skilless builds to bunt people off of cliffs and hold the godkitten cannon!!!!

DESTROY IT

Apparition.1576:

Yuiuo.8017:

Just make solo que have the same maps of team que

skyhammer doesn’t have a sense for the difference that can have a cc or an immobilize.

without stun breaker/condi removal:

immobilize on glasses = dead

random cc in the wrong position = dead

if you want to be an esport game i think the 1 cc into dead mechanic is not the best way to go

why do you continue to believe in this map?

We (all the pvp community) don’t understand!

1. Why would you walk in the breakable tiles rather than dodge/rolling over it?

2. Secondly, you speak for yourself. A lot of us actually enjoy the map and the uniqueness it brings over the standard bunker based gameplay you tend to see on just about every other map.

Yeah the bunker thing is a good argument . But playing builds that BUNKER a cannon, or just bunt people off the edge are even less skill and less fun than the traditional maps.

nearlight.3064:

Yeah the bunker thing is a good argument . But playing builds that BUNKER a cannon, or just bunt people off the edge are even less skill and less fun than the traditional maps.

He is a hotjoin player. Why are you even bothering?

Again….its fine in hotjoins. Keep it out of rated play tho.

Apparition.1576:

1. Why would you walk in the breakable tiles rather than dodge/rolling over it?

http://www.twitch.tv/thelordhelseth/b/556634878?t=56m48s

Dodge better Helseth lulz

Dear sir… untill you faced an engie like me you whont realize how dumb this map is.

http://www.twitch.tv/thelordhelseth/b/556634878?t=54m51s

Another pull from my engie…same game. L2dodge (its not like i wait till after u dodge lol).

Worst thing is…i played horribly that game. But its fine since i can cheese it and cheat my way to victory.

nearlight.3064:

Apparition.1576:

Yuiuo.8017:

Just make solo que have the same maps of team que

skyhammer doesn’t have a sense for the difference that can have a cc or an immobilize.

without stun breaker/condi removal:

immobilize on glasses = dead

random cc in the wrong position = dead

if you want to be an esport game i think the 1 cc into dead mechanic is not the best way to go

why do you continue to believe in this map?

We (all the pvp community) don’t understand!

1. Why would you walk in the breakable tiles rather than dodge/rolling over it?

2. Secondly, you speak for yourself. A lot of us actually enjoy the map and the uniqueness it brings over the standard bunker based gameplay you tend to see on just about every other map.

Yeah the bunker thing is a good argument . But playing builds that BUNKER a cannon, or just bunt people off the edge are even less skill and less fun than the traditional maps.

That is my main point, you can take the best bunker build and it means absolutely nothing in the room with the hammer. This is basically a battle of whits. Knowing your class and your opponents and manipulation and timing are usually the key to those battles.

I play 5 different classes in spvp and I really see no advantage in the hammer room in any of them. Warrior for example can literally spec to have kitten near permanent Stability in hammer. However, with this build there is an incredibly big weakness in a 1 on 1 fight in the hammer room. They will have limited gap closers and horrible damage. You can literally kite and wait out their stability as ele, ranger, necro (limited kiting ability vs perma stability but they can tank), and engineers.

Any scenario I can come up with or have played seems to boil down to how players are playing their own characters. But this is what PvP should be about in my opinion, its about being outplayed not out bunkered.

The major misconception which hasn’t reached the devs is: : we don’t want the map “Skyhammer” deleted, just removed from soloq or fix it to a level where you can compete in. Based on the gamescom interview, the devs seem to think we want the map to be deleted but what we actually want is:

Fix the broken map mechanics so that there isn’t an instant dead mechanic, bringing it in line with every other map or remove it until you have “soon” enough time to fix it; which at this point has been non-existant.

cheese.4739:

Apparition.1576:

My posts, unlike yours, has statements to support my view/perspective.

<detailed post with statements to support view/perspective>

Apparition, you’ve spoken in this thread since I made my post – are you now just ignoring people who you can’t just dismiss as qq’ers or noobs?

XGhoul.7426:

The major misconception which hasn’t reached the devs is: : we don’t want the map “Skyhammer” deleted, just removed from soloq or fix it to a level where you can compete in. Based on the gamescom interview, the devs seem to think we want the map to be deleted but what we actually want is:

Fix the broken map mechanics so that there isn’t an instant dead mechanic, bringing it in line with every other map or remove it until you have “soon” enough time to fix it; which at this point has been non-existant.

we just don’t want to play it
it’s not that i don’t know how ot play it
i don’t want to respec for that map everytime i come across it

26 pages of LOL.

We need a miracle for something to be done.

Like I said though, I team queue 24/7 so skyhammer doesn’t bug me as much anymore. I just feel bad for the suckers that solo queue in solo queue :P

Second feature pack and this map will still exists, what a huge disappointment, if they are not going to give us anything for pvp content wise at least take off this stupid map, anet loves this map so much it even queues up often compared to the other maps.

tico.9814:

Second feature pack and this map will still exists, what a huge disappointment, if they are not going to give us anything for pvp content wise at least take off this stupid map, anet loves this map so much it even queues up often compared to the other maps.

yeah…they’re doing this on purpose
to force the players to “accept” it
anet is the worse, THE worse when it comes to listening to their players

tico.9814:

Second feature pack and this map will still exists, what a huge disappointment, if they are not going to give us anything for pvp content wise at least take off this stupid map, anet loves this map so much it even queues up often compared to the other maps.

Evidently they don’t think that it pops any more frequently than the other maps.

Insane amounts of evidence from individual players says otherwise, but of course it’ll just continue to pop just as frequently because they never solo queue….

So many 4v5s.

I know I use my 2 dish. stacks every 72 hours on this. But when I’m forced to play it rarely ends in a 5v5. Either it’s a 4v5 or the other team just quits.

http://i.imgur.com/FKymDjC.jpg

nearlight.3064:

Skyhammer forces a lack of build diversity and a promotion of people using cheesy skilless builds to bunt people off of cliffs and hold the godkitten cannon!!!!

DESTROY IT

You can take it on the other way too. Skyhammer is the only map out of 6 that will have different kind of builds ( and even…).
At least that’s a map where you can have a chance of beating warriors and engineers with rangers and eles…

Xista.7391:

http://i.imgur.com/FKymDjC.jpg

oh god, I have about a dozen or so screenies of map chat QQ in skyhammer, I might have to hijack this pic and add mine on for the jokes sake

EDIT: 45 hours in MS paint.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Xista.7391:

http://i.imgur.com/FKymDjC.jpg

oh god, I have about a dozen or so screenies of map chat QQ in skyhammer, I might have to hijack this pic and add mine on for the jokes sake

EDIT: 45 hours in MS paint.

That is glorious.

sooner or later…anet meme’s will flow through the internet
and not the good kind
wonder how their future sales will be then

keeping this on page 1, remove skyhammer, nobody likes it

Is it too much to ask for a comprehensive explanation on their decision to keep skyhammer in the game? It’s obvious that arena-net has decided to keep skyhammer since they already went through the trouble of trashing one map (RIP capricorn).

Can we please get an official reply from someone who was actaully involved in this decision? It feels like a-net is afraid to say anything about it and is just willing to drag this crap out. It’s beyond disgusting at this point.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Is it too much to ask for a comprehensive explanation on their decision to keep skyhammer in the game? It’s obvious that arena-net has decided to keep skyhammer since they already went through the trouble of trashing one map (RIP capricorn).

Can we please get an official reply from someone who was actaully involved in this decision? It feels like a-net is afraid to say anything about it and is just willing to drag this crap out. It’s beyond disgusting at this point.

Since they don’t even answer to this topic just let alone explaining why the kitten they kept this skilles abomination in yoloq..

It’s k, I got it three times in a row against the same turret engi that steamrolled anything. Didn’t even bother playing the third time, a-f-k and went to eat lunch.

Remove skyhammer from soloq. That’s all we need. We can still keep it in hotjoin in rotation. This will never be a competitive map.

Been away on holidays and haven’t checked this thread in nearly a month….

Nothing has changed

Out of my now six 80 characters. I can tell you from my experience that there is no “class to beat” on Skyhammer. I seem to do well with any class I choose on this map and pretty consistently.

If you are well versed in PvP and understand the strengths and weaknesses of your PvP builds then you should not have any trouble with the map.

Some builds are obviously more effective than others but skill, timing, experience, and player awareness are very big factors. It is time for some of you to develop an athlete’s mentality and stop making excuses for you failures. The more I read this thread the more I feel that some of you are just not cut out for PvP. I can understand if you are disputing game or map mechanics, but for 90% of these posts, that’s not the case.

I know I sound really harsh, or arrogant to some degree, but real PvPers do not cry because they are outplayed. I can understand the rage factor associated with the competitive nature, but I implore you to study the game. Learn the game mechanics, your class mechanics, the pros and cons for the builds that you run and just get better…

guys just solo q into team queue it’s even better rewarded anyway so you gain more and avoid the maps you don’t like while the scrubs, i mean the other pvpers, will be able to enjoy skyhammer in solo q.

I play as an Engineer and that on that map i’m a double edged sword, it’s not that hard to magnet pull someone and kill them with it, but at the same time engineers have no stability from what i can see, making them an easy target as well.

Don’t underestimate necro’s though, a nice fear can send you walking over the edge

Skyhammer calibrated to fun!

I <3 THIS GAME DON’T CHANGE ANYTHING FROM YOUR PATCH TO YOUR PUSH TO KILL MAPS!

tanztante.6532:

scroll a few hundred pages back and look at the posts about " remove temple, it sucks, if you don’t remove temple, i’m quitting the game, we are 99% that hate temple.

No. Skyhammer has been criticized and players have asked to take it out of tourney play from the start. Temple has never received anything like this amount of hate, and is generally considered a good map. Don’t try and write this off as some kind of community knee-jerk reaction that happens all the time.

This is not the only epic skyhammer thread, there have been many since its release, with several community polls clearly showing that most people want it gone. Do a poll on Temple and see what happens.

In fact I did do a poll on some other maps (forget which ones now) because some people said “only people who are angry vote in polls, that’s why the skyhammer polls showed so many people want it out”. However, when polled on other maps people voted overwhelmingly for keeping them.

Skyhammer sucks. There are several well thought out and detailed posts as to exactly why this is a terrible map, and how it is almost the antithesis of everything players had been asking for in pvp.

Apparition.1576:

Out of my now six 80 characters. I can tell you from my experience that there is no “class to beat” on Skyhammer. I seem to do well with any class I choose on this map and pretty consistently.

If you are well versed in PvP and understand the strengths and weaknesses of your PvP builds then you should not have any trouble with the map.

Some builds are obviously more effective than others but skill, timing, experience, and player awareness are very big factors. It is time for some of you to develop an athlete’s mentality and stop making excuses for you failures. The more I read this thread the more I feel that some of you are just not cut out for PvP. I can understand if you are disputing game or map mechanics, but for 90% of these posts, that’s not the case.

I know I sound really harsh, or arrogant to some degree, but real PvPers do not cry because they are outplayed. I can understand the rage factor associated with the competitive nature, but I implore you to study the game. Learn the game mechanics, your class mechanics, the pros and cons for the builds that you run and just get better…

You are ignoring the fact that the biggest noob can easily kill someone on this map that is way better. You just see people nowadays trying to pull you on a platform, and if it did not work because of for example stability they run off, trying it again when the cd runs off. It is even boring to play. You can try to learn the mechanics as you say, but you can also just dislike the mechanics. Which the majority does. More whining about this map than about Capricorn says enough, many people liked Capri while they still removed the map. There is no reason to keep skyhammer then.

I’m utterly shocked that no change has been made in this so called “balance patch”.
Seriously, Anet, go watch some Solo Q Skyhammer matches which necro chain fear, engi invisible pull ppl to death for the whole match. And how the hammer literally destroy everything.

Still no reply from Anet’s staff, nor is there any change to map, nor is there any intention of removing the map from Solo Q. I can bet money that if they remove Skyhammer from Solo Q, many PvPers will actually come back.

Worst PVP developing team ever, with 0 communication and 0 sense of logical sense.
Instead of making PVP viable again, they decide to add level cap to lowbies and drive away even more customers from PVE. Such a genius company, no wonder Anet have been much more greedy for Gems recently because they drive away too many players, yet they still don’t know why it happened although the reason is super obvious.
This is really pathetic.

HeadCrowned.6834:

You are ignoring the fact that the biggest noob can easily kill someone on this map that is way better. You just see people nowadays trying to pull you on a platform, and if it did not work because of for example stability they run off, trying it again when the cd runs off. It is even boring to play. You can try to learn the mechanics as you say, but you can also just dislike the mechanics. Which the majority does. More whining about this map than about Capricorn says enough, many people liked Capri while they still removed the map. There is no reason to keep skyhammer then.

That!

I already told that story once but one day when I played on skyhammer (hot join)
There was a thief in enemy team, for that, if you not had permastability you needed 3 ppl to bring him down.

Why?

He skilled full tanky , with lots of invisibility and Scorpion-Wire.
That thief did nothing else but scorpion wire ppl down, and WHEN he was visible he was tanky enough to survive till next invis, cause in fight it was always 1on1 even if you go to that spot 2v1, one was instagribbed down already.
He did that at our close. We had no guard, close was lost and nothing to do against it.

And that thief was really BAD, the next map we clashed at LEAST 7 times.
And every time he didnt run away fast enough i utterly destroyed him.

Okay one time he won against me, because I just defended our close, against another player, so i had everything on CD and 2000 hp left and he managed to backstab me out of his invisibility and even then he still almost died by doing it.

On any normal map that guy was one of the worst thiefs Ive ever met.

But on Skyhammer he was dominating a whole team.

Food for thought!

It takes three people to kill a thief? You do realize they pretty much die in three hits right?

There is just so much wrong with this post starting with the first sentence…. hotjoin?? really?

If a thief dominated you on skyhammer he would dominate you on any other map. Thieves are actually easier to kill on skyhammer that any other map.

1k3 is the number of post in a topic (in this forum) that has for name “Skyhammer”.
From those post most of them are complaining about the viability of this map in tournaments and most of all SoloQ.

This is a flagrant proof of you, Arenanet, not paying attention to your customers, this Arenanet, is an insult to each of those players.

post #1337 will be the dev response

They have paid attention to it. They have stated that regardless, it will not get removed. There was a post from a dev somewhere saying that removing skyhammer is not on the table. I’ll see if I can find it.

Here’s the thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Vee-Wee-s-PvP-Suggestions/first#post4296093

ArrDee.2573:

<snip>

*Skyhammer!*
We’ve all seen this before my frands! Skyhammer needs to change! It doesn’t necessarily have to go, but goshdarn it my frands it needs to change! And Arenanet taking your time to find the perfect solution is not helping! Make a change! If it doesn’t work out, make another change! Just do something! Not changing things means things don’t get changed! It’s so simple!

<snip>

Evan Lesh.3295:

<snip>

*Skyhammer*: Obligatory "Nothing is off the table". (except deleting skyhammer)

<snip>

Keksmuffin.1450:

post #1337 will be the dev response

ahahaha few ppl will get it

How about instead of deleting skyhammer we just turn heart of the mists into skyhammer. That way we’ll all have something to do while we wait in between queues!

Who cares about new players, they’ll figure it out pretty quickly cuz they’re gonna get it in actual tourneys anyways.

Free for all skyham in HOTM?

inb4 they accidentally put skyham in tQ

I have not once raged, been toxic or left a tpvp match, but Skyhammer takes my ultimate willpower to not just quit the game to avoid playing on it. I solo queue in team queue just to get away from it.

To illustrate just how angry this makes me consult the attached picture.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Xista.7391:

http://i.imgur.com/FKymDjC.jpg

oh god, I have about a dozen or so screenies of map chat QQ in skyhammer, I might have to hijack this pic and add mine on for the jokes sake

EDIT: 45 hours in MS paint.

GO FORTH! AND KNOCKBACK! (now all the urinating businessmen are wondering why a bathroom stall just burst out in laughter.)

The jump pads STILL don’t work reliably. Curse this map to the blackest depths.

I just made a post about how valid points are ignored, trying to be as polite as possible.
Got instantly removed for “infraction”, nice one, and if this post is seen as another infraction, honestly infract me all you want.

Ive lost faith in the game anyway, not really playing for 3 weeks again, and not thinking about returning, even permaban from GW2 wouldnt bother me anymore.

At least then I could finally put a lock before it saying “Okay case closed”.

Posting this as my team is fighting 5 engi’s in skyhammer. If skyhammer was deleted no one would give a kitten.

Edit: this post and the two below were merged into this thread by a mod. Thread was titled, “If Sky hammer was gone”.

Then no one would be surprised. Everyone in the game would think, “I saw that happening sooner or later”. There wouldn’t even be any posts about Skyhammer anymore — just posts labeled, “Thank you”, without a description. Deep down you know why they thanked you.

Do us the favor you ever so promptly did for team arena and remove Skyhammer from solo arena as well. You know it’s a gimmick based map that doesn’t belong with the rest.