Guild Wars 2

glaphen.5230:

Just because you are a bad Necromancer and a bad player does not mean other are.

You have ZERO time spent in WvW as a Necromancer, you make all of these false statements about several classes and yet you STILL inist the person the PLAYS the class in WvW is “bad” simply for calling you on all your moronic statements.

Go play WvW in a Zerker build Necro. THEN come back and say its great, when you have a class that has mealy health and Toughness as its defense as well as a few MINOR skills and you think it makes a GOOD Zerker class…

You have shown yourself to be clueless. It isn’t that i am “bad” it is that you despite being told by several different people keep on insisting with no proof to back any of it up which granted when its total BS is hard to come by that you FALSE statements are true.

glaphen.5230:

Power builds should carry both zerker and pvt on them for WvW. Mesmers and Thieves do not need support to destroy people in the back line nor do they take long to get there. Mesmers should be in PVT for zergs but are terrible for roaming if they don’t use berserkers.

Give it up already, you have NO idea what you are talking about. I have seen PLENTY of very good Mesmers do roaming without using Berserker gear. It is NOT the be all and end all of gear.

You have ZERO time spent in WvW as a Warrior, you make all of these false statements about several classes and yet you STILL inist the person the PLAYS the class in WvW is “bad” simply for calling you on all your moronic statements.

Go play WvW in a any build Warrior. THEN come back and say its great, when you have a class that has mealy health and Toughness as its defense as well as a few MINOR skills and you think it makes a GOOD class…

You have shown yourself to be clueless. It isn’t that i am “bad” it is that you despite being told by several different people keep on insisting with no proof to back any of it up which granted when its total BS is hard to come by that you FALSE statements are true.

Also find me any post that asks for proof to back any of it up when I’m pretty sure its been me asking the entire time for you to.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

Power builds should carry both zerker and pvt on them for WvW. Mesmers and Thieves do not need support to destroy people in the back line nor do they take long to get there. Mesmers should be in PVT for zergs but are terrible for roaming if they don’t use berserkers.

Give it up already, you have NO idea what you are talking about. I have seen PLENTY of very good Mesmers do roaming without using Berserker gear. It is NOT the be all and end all of gear.

99% of the player base is bad just like you. It might work on morons but not anyone with half a brain nor is it even close to the most effective.

glaphen.5230:

99% of the player base is bad just like you. It might work on morons but not anyone with half a brain nor is it even close to the most effective.

Saying the person with NO experience of WvW as a Necro. Just face it you don’t know what you are talking about. Dark Path “amazing” you crack me up. Come back when you have experience playing as a Necromancer in WvW before you assume that the total of your “knowledge” is nothing more than stupid.

Unlike you, i play WvW as a Necromancer and unlike you i know what will and what won’t work in WvW and a Necromancer Zerker build…Yeah that wont work. Of course being told by several people that it just doesn’t work means nothing and that you are still right…

glaphen.5230:

You have ZERO time spent in WvW as a Warrior, you make all of these false statements about several classes and yet you STILL inist the person the PLAYS the class in WvW is “bad” simply for calling you on all your moronic statements.

FWI, i have played Warrior in WvW, i just much prefer the “caster” classes. I also actually LOOK at skills before trying make out that i know everything about them – unlike you.

So, where are these “false” statements of mine? I mean this thread is littered with yours. Where are these that i have supposed to have made…

glaphen.5230:

Go play WvW in a any build Warrior. THEN come back and say its great, when you have a class that has mealy health and Toughness as its defense as well as a few MINOR skills and you think it makes a GOOD class…

As already stated, i have played them and didnt like them. Yeah everyone hates skills that can be used to attack AND run. Look at what happened to Ride The Lightening, the same thing SHOULD happen to Warrior. It is that simple.

You can say “oh no you have no idea” but the fact plenty of posts have been saying the same thing would suggest otherwise.

Warrior has MORE than health and Toughness as its defense, look at all the utilities and heal options it has combined with the mobility…

glaphen.5230:

Also find me any post that asks for proof to back any of it up when I’m pretty sure its been me asking the entire time for you to.

You seem to be unable to read either. ALL you have been saying is simply wrong. On Necromancer you made these clueless statements such as Dark Path being “amazing” when you have been told by SEVERAL people that in WvW the mode you dont even play as a Necro that is anything but amazing.

You also go on about Mesmer, making several silly statements and just copying stuff from the wiki, when told that you are wrong again by several people you insist otherwise….

Necromancer looks so bad that he can do this without food and leaving out Lich Form clips.

glaphen.5230:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOSler5pZ5M

Necromancer looks so bad that he can do this without food and leaving out Lich Form clips.

Very nice video…Not quite sure what ONE video is meant to prove. His did highest damage against zerker builds and light armor classes. His damage dropped off a bit against the “tankier” classes

Despite being 30 into Spite and Soul Reaping, No unyelding blast which would have been a buff to his damage and no Reaper’s Might and again would have been a buff to his damage.

Though He isn’t full zerker anyway. Personally i wouldn’t call 20k health full Zerker. It also has no mention of how many Ascended items he has.

i have full Rare gear as my accessories and i still can hit high damage while still being tanky. Your point means nothing in the end.

I have ascended trinkets and a legendary axe but what can I say?
Hard core WvW player like yourself should know the basics right?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Power_of_the_Mists
Also you have rare gear after your 200 hours on Necromancer.

glaphen.5230:

I have ascended trinkets and a legendary axe but what can I say?
Hard core WvW player like yourself should know the basics right?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Power_of_the_Mists
Also you have rare gear after your 200 hours on Necromancer.

errr what is that wiki suppose to proof? yay i can craft stuff and i got a little more hp…like every other server

selan.8354:

glaphen.5230:

I have ascended trinkets and a legendary axe but what can I say?
Hard core WvW player like yourself should know the basics right?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Power_of_the_Mists
Also you have rare gear after your 200 hours on Necromancer.

errr what is that wiki suppose to proof? yay i can craft stuff and i got a little more hp…like every other server

Personally i wouldn’t call 20k health full Zerker.

glaphen.5230:

selan.8354:

glaphen.5230:

I have ascended trinkets and a legendary axe but what can I say?
Hard core WvW player like yourself should know the basics right?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Power_of_the_Mists
Also you have rare gear after your 200 hours on Necromancer.

errr what is that wiki suppose to proof? yay i can craft stuff and i got a little more hp…like every other server

Personally i wouldn’t call 20k health full Zerker.

u dont even know if he was taping that during the end of the week or beginning. full berserk is usually below 20k even close to end of the week

selan.8354:

glaphen.5230:

selan.8354:

glaphen.5230:

I have ascended trinkets and a legendary axe but what can I say?
Hard core WvW player like yourself should know the basics right?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Power_of_the_Mists
Also you have rare gear after your 200 hours on Necromancer.

errr what is that wiki suppose to proof? yay i can craft stuff and i got a little more hp…like every other server

Personally i wouldn’t call 20k health full Zerker.

u dont even know if he was taping that during the end of the week or beginning. full berserk is usually below 20k even close to end of the week

He’s the one who said it not me. That’s why I pointed out power of the mists since that’s where the extra health came from.

The problem is, you have no idea what is gear is. Other than the fact that is running 30/010/0/30 you know NOTHING about his set up. Most of the fights were against other low armor classes and see how his damage suddenly dropped against the likes of Guardian and Warrior.

As i stated, depending on his trait setup he could also have picked up Reapers Might and Unyelding Blast. As minimum i am guessing he is running Dhuumfire. No other really to really go 30 into it if its not for Dhuumfire.

“4. For every kill I show in this video, I have about 10 deaths. Seriously. "

Like i said, Zerker – expect to die often. Thanks to the lack of defensive skills as well as combat movement, escapability skills as well.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Julie Yann.5379:

@glaphen Also, anybody running full zerk in large scale fights is nothing more than a rally bot. It might be fine for roaming and duels but once the blobs collide you are nothing more than a liability.

Depending on class it isnt even viable as a roamer, Necromancer being an example. While they may do more damage they come with no where near the number of defenses as all other classes come with. Hell, we don’t even have ANY access to Vigor.

All about that field play.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

The problem is, you have no idea what is gear is. Other than the fact that is running 30/010/0/30 you know NOTHING about his set up. Most of the fights were against other low armor classes and see how his damage suddenly dropped against the likes of Guardian and Warrior.

As i stated, depending on his trait setup he could also have picked up Reapers Might and Unyelding Blast. As minimum i am guessing he is running Dhuumfire. No other really to really go 30 into it if its not for Dhuumfire.

“4. For every kill I show in this video, I have about 10 deaths. Seriously. "

Like i said, Zerker – expect to die often. Thanks to the lack of defensive skills as well as combat movement, escapability skills as well.

He is using these for traits. I don’t even know why you think his setup matters.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Death%27s_Embrace
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Spiteful_Talisman
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Close_to_Death
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Weakening_Shroud
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Spectral_Mastery
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Master_of_Terror
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deathly_Perception

Who cares if his damage drops he still wins and they do nothing to him? Low armor classes take 10% more damage than heavies so I don’t see how armor matters again when it shows multiple heavies dying. If you aren’t a Thief you don’t roam expecting not to die. If you have to sacrifice yourself to prevent a yak from reaching a tower or keep you do it.

glaphen.5230:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

The problem is, you have no idea what is gear is. Other than the fact that is running 30/010/0/30 you know NOTHING about his set up. Most of the fights were against other low armor classes and see how his damage suddenly dropped against the likes of Guardian and Warrior.

As i stated, depending on his trait setup he could also have picked up Reapers Might and Unyelding Blast. As minimum i am guessing he is running Dhuumfire. No other really to really go 30 into it if its not for Dhuumfire.

“4. For every kill I show in this video, I have about 10 deaths. Seriously. "

Like i said, Zerker – expect to die often. Thanks to the lack of defensive skills as well as combat movement, escapability skills as well.

He is using these for traits. I don’t even know why you think his setup matters.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Death%27s_Embrace
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Spiteful_Talisman
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Close_to_Death
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Weakening_Shroud
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Spectral_Mastery
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Master_of_Terror
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deathly_Perception

Who cares if his damage drops he still wins and they do nothing to him? Low armor classes take 10% more damage than heavies so I don’t see how armor matters again when it shows multiple heavies dying. If you aren’t a Thief you don’t roam expecting not to die. If you have to sacrifice yourself to prevent a yak from reaching a tower or keep you do it.

Lol right…

Deaths Embrace – Yeah take a trait EXPECTING to be downed a lot…
Spiteful Talisman – Forgetting that Regeneration doesnt work in DS?
Cloe To Death – Decent trait, doesnt really help SURVIVING
Spectral Mastery – Yeah 8 seconds of Prot, every 48seconds thats REAL defense…
Master of Terror – Assuming everyone takes it….They dont.
Deathly Perception – Again how does this help SURVIVABILITY

So he was able to kill other cloth using Zerker builds…

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

The problem is, you have no idea what is gear is. Other than the fact that is running 30/010/0/30 you know NOTHING about his set up. Most of the fights were against other low armor classes and see how his damage suddenly dropped against the likes of Guardian and Warrior.

As i stated, depending on his trait setup he could also have picked up Reapers Might and Unyelding Blast. As minimum i am guessing he is running Dhuumfire. No other really to really go 30 into it if its not for Dhuumfire.

“4. For every kill I show in this video, I have about 10 deaths. Seriously. "

Like i said, Zerker – expect to die often. Thanks to the lack of defensive skills as well as combat movement, escapability skills as well.

He is using these for traits. I don’t even know why you think his setup matters.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Death%27s_Embrace
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Spiteful_Talisman
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Close_to_Death
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Weakening_Shroud
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Spectral_Mastery
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Master_of_Terror
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deathly_Perception

Who cares if his damage drops he still wins and they do nothing to him? Low armor classes take 10% more damage than heavies so I don’t see how armor matters again when it shows multiple heavies dying. If you aren’t a Thief you don’t roam expecting not to die. If you have to sacrifice yourself to prevent a yak from reaching a tower or keep you do it.

Lol right…

Deaths Embrace – Yeah take a trait EXPECTING to be downed a lot…
Spiteful Talisman – Forgetting that Regeneration doesnt work in DS?
Cloe To Death – Decent trait, doesnt really help SURVIVING
Spectral Mastery – Yeah 8 seconds of Prot, every 48seconds thats REAL defense…
Master of Terror – Assuming everyone takes it….They dont.
Deathly Perception – Again how does this help SURVIVABILITY

So he was able to kill other cloth using Zerker builds…

It’s his build and if you have a problem ask him. Death’s Embrace I wasn’t sure about but its the only one possible with the process of elimination. Did you even watch the video though? He killed at least 3 heavies and one of them was in a 2 vs 1. His survivability doesn’t matter when it shows him obviously killing his enemies before he dies with his massive health pool.

How to play power necro. Drop wells, pop DS and spam all skills, pop plague and spam blind inside enemy zerg. Power necro problem is that only DS and wells are good because only aoe means something in real fight.

glaphen.5230:

It’s his build and if you have a problem ask him. Death’s Embrace I wasn’t sure about but its the only one possible with the process of elimination. Did you even watch the video though? He killed at least 3 heavies and one of them was in a 2 vs 1. His survivability doesn’t matter when it shows him obviously killing his enemies before he dies with his massive health pool.

Yeah i watched his Video, it was decent. That was it. In most of the group fights he was left to do what ever he wanted. So he killed 2 heavies…For all you know they were both zerker builds as well.

So I run full zerker in wvw roaming and small scale havoc squads just fine as a Necro. Just sayin.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

It’s his build and if you have a problem ask him. Death’s Embrace I wasn’t sure about but its the only one possible with the process of elimination. Did you even watch the video though? He killed at least 3 heavies and one of them was in a 2 vs 1. His survivability doesn’t matter when it shows him obviously killing his enemies before he dies with his massive health pool.

Yeah i watched his Video, it was decent. That was it. In most of the group fights he was left to do what ever he wanted. So he killed 2 heavies…For all you know they were both zerker builds as well.

He killed 1 Ranger, 1 Engineer, 1 Thief, 2 Elementalists, 2 Mesmers, 1 Necromancer, 2 Guardians and 2 Warriors through the entire video not counting the group fight.

Everything works in small scale. Things get hard when every place is full of red circles and when enemy have +10 superior carts spamming in SM lord room.

glaphen.5230:

He killed 1 Ranger, 1 Engineer, 1 Thief, 2 Elementalists, 2 Mesmers, 1 Necromancer, 2 Guardians and 2 Warriors through the entire video not counting the group fight.

Ranger? Lol
Engineer arent that hard depending on build
Thief – You win some and lose some
Ele – meh. Depends on the build which they were Zerker
Mesmer – Again dependent on the build, weak against conditions
Necromancer – again dependent on the build
Guardians – They are mostly support/Bunker
Warrior – Meh, depends on the build

So again, it was decent but it wasn’t really THAT amazing.
Then comes to the group fights where he was largely ignored and allowed to do what ever he wanted.

and remember he said for every kill he got he died 10 times, well that would mean that he would have died ALOT just getting them solo kills.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

He killed 1 Ranger, 1 Engineer, 1 Thief, 2 Elementalists, 2 Mesmers, 1 Necromancer, 2 Guardians and 2 Warriors through the entire video not counting the group fight.

Ranger? Lol
Engineer arent that hard depending on build
Thief – You win some and lose some
Ele – meh. Depends on the build which they were Zerker
Mesmer – Again dependent on the build, weak against conditions
Necromancer – again dependent on the build
Guardians – They are mostly support/Bunker
Warrior – Meh, depends on the build

So again, it was decent but it wasn’t really THAT amazing.
Then comes to the group fights where he was largely ignored and allowed to do what ever he wanted.

and remember he said for every kill he got he died 10 times, well that would mean that he would have died ALOT just getting them solo kills.

Assumptions, assumptions, wait where have I heard that before? Didn’t I say that berserker was better since you shouldn’t be focused in a team fight. With your build if you are focused you wouldn’t be in Death Shroud for long if focused anyways just like him but he does far more damage outside of it even.

glaphen.5230:

Assumptions, assumptions, wait where have I heard that before? Didn’t I say that berserker was better since you shouldn’t be focused in a team fight. With your build if you are focused you wouldn’t be in Death Shroud for long if focused anyways just like him but he does far more damage outside of it even.

In my build. I was focused by 3 Mesmers who all used Blurred Frenzy which i could very easily shrug off. Now you could assume/guess that those Mesmer’s were not Zerker spec, Just like you can’t assume that everyone in WvW runs Zerker spec.

If however, you are in a fight with people that know what they are doing you are hardly going to have all the free time he had to do what ever it is he wanted. Zerg mentality took over for the other group all just blindly attacking anything in front of them and all chasing down a few minor runners while ignoring those on their team that were in need of help. This just shows that it was a pug group.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

Assumptions, assumptions, wait where have I heard that before? Didn’t I say that berserker was better since you shouldn’t be focused in a team fight. With your build if you are focused you wouldn’t be in Death Shroud for long if focused anyways just like him but he does far more damage outside of it even.

In my build. I was focused by 3 Mesmers who all used Blurred Frenzy which i could very easily shrug off. Now you could assume/guess that those Mesmer’s were not Zerker spec, Just like you can’t assume that everyone in WvW runs Zerker spec.

If however, you are in a fight with people that know what they are doing you are hardly going to have all the free time he had to do what ever it is he wanted. Zerg mentality took over for the other group all just blindly attacking anything in front of them and all chasing down a few minor runners while ignoring those on their team that were in need of help. This just shows that it was a pug group.

Poor guy still kitten he cant survive 3 Mesmers attacking him at the same time in a 3 vs 1. I don’t think you know exactly how to position yourself in combat. Here is a video of a Necromancer who knows how to play his class and how to position himself. Even in smaller engagements positioning is one of the most important aspects of any fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCZCfxE-_Hs

glaphen.5230:

Poor guy still kitten he cant survive 3 Mesmers attacking him at the same time in a 3 vs 1. I don’t think you know exactly how to position yourself in combat. Here is a video of a Necromancer who knows how to play his class and how to position himself. Even in smaller engagements positioning is one of the most important aspects of any fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCZCfxE-_Hs

I would like to see him survive 3 Mesmers using (very well imo) Magic Bullet, Magic Bullet, Magic Bullet – That there is 3 stuns. On a class that has next to no Stability, unless you want to waste 30trait points that is. Followed that up by all using ileap swap combo and then using Blurred Frenzy.

I mean on a class that has NO access to Vigor without getting given it by someone that gives you TWO dodges against 3 stuns and 3 immbos, followed by 3 Blurred Frenzy….

Also lets not forget the group stealths that made them appear out of nowhere either

try “positioning” yourself right for attacks from 3 invisible classes you dont know are there, see how you do…Oh yeah thats right, you dont play your Necro in WvW do you…

Also, i know how to play my class thanks, I just know when i am beaten. To survive as long as i did was pretty good, absorbed all the Blurred Frenzy as well as a couple of iDuelist attacks, in the end the damage was to great.

glaphen.5230:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCZCfxE-_Hs

As for Video, the first fight see how NONE on his team was downed and the other side ran back into the camp. I wouldn’t really say that was them playing well, rather that the enemy weren’t that good.

Shock how They go stealth and suddenly AoE, AoE everywhere. it was well played by the Guardians who dropped Line of Warding in there way, thus affecting them ALOT. So this part not so much about the Necro playing well as it was the others preventing any possible attack with AoE everywhere.

His group looked like it out numbered the other zerg which also helps. Then its just a matter of AoE spamming at the entrance before everyone just rushing. So again not really him playing amazing as it was that they had numbers and alot of them.

The second fight, the same thing they have more numbers and rushes work every well when you have it. They did manage to get more people but by then it was to late. So more of the same really. Stay near zerg and you will be fine. He gets split from the zerg but zerg mentality means none pay any attention. More AoE spamming, comes very close to getting downed several times.

Third fight…You guessed it, more AoE spamming.

want me to go on? This isnt so much him playing well and “positioning” himself well as it is, zergs with numbers win. Throw down USEFUL AoE and it helps alot.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

Poor guy still kitten he cant survive 3 Mesmers attacking him at the same time in a 3 vs 1. I don’t think you know exactly how to position yourself in combat. Here is a video of a Necromancer who knows how to play his class and how to position himself. Even in smaller engagements positioning is one of the most important aspects of any fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCZCfxE-_Hs

I would like to see him survive 3 Mesmers using (very well imo) Magic Bullet, Magic Bullet, Magic Bullet – That there is 3 stuns. On a class that has next to no Stability, unless you want to waste 30trait points that is. Followed that up by all using ileap swap combo and then using Blurred Frenzy.

I mean on a class that has NO access to Vigor without getting given it by someone that gives you TWO dodges against 3 stuns and 3 immbos, followed by 3 Blurred Frenzy….

Also lets not forget the group stealths that made them appear out of nowhere either

try “positioning” yourself right for attacks from 3 invisible classes you dont know are there, see how you do…Oh yeah thats right, you dont play your Necro in WvW do you…

Also, i know how to play my class thanks, I just know when i am beaten. To survive as long as i did was pretty good, absorbed all the Blurred Frenzy as well as a couple of iDuelist attacks, in the end the damage was to great.

3 vs 1 isn’t a group fight its a slaughter unless the enemies suck and you are really good. 3 Thieves can backstab someone at the same time and bring down any target too so I don’t see your point at all. Also in the time you posted this you couldn’t have watched almost any of the video. You have 200 hours in Necromancer apparently but still have some rare gear on so I’m not sure if you know how to play your class with this information.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCZCfxE-_Hs

As for Video, the first fight see how NONE on his team was downed and the other side ran back into the camp. I wouldn’t really say that was them playing well, rather that the enemy weren’t that good.

Shock how They go stealth and suddenly AoE, AoE everywhere. it was well played by the Guardians who dropped Line of Warding in there way, thus affecting them ALOT. So this part not so much about the Necro playing well as it was the others preventing any possible attack with AoE everywhere.

His group looked like it out numbered the other zerg which also helps. Then its just a matter of AoE spamming at the entrance before everyone just rushing. So again not really him playing amazing as it was that they had numbers and alot of them.

The second fight, the same thing they have more numbers and rushes work every well when you have it. They did manage to get more people but by then it was to late. So more of the same really. Stay near zerg and you will be fine. He gets split from the zerg but zerg mentality means none pay any attention. More AoE spamming, comes very close to getting downed several times.

Third fight…You guessed it, more AoE spamming.

want me to go on? This isnt so much him playing well and “positioning” himself well as it is, zergs with numbers win. Throw down USEFUL AoE and it helps alot.

Oh you don’t say? You mean the positioning caused him to survive the entire fight. This guy also has less tanky stats than you too but based on what I keep hearing from you, you die super fast if anyone looks at you(they sound like multi vs ones and not group fights). Also look at 4:40 where he practically solos the enemy zerg with one skill.

glaphen.5230:

3 vs 1 isn’t a group fight its a slaughter unless the enemies suck and you are really good. 3 Thieves can backstab someone at the same time and bring down any target too so I don’t see your point at all. Also in the time you posted this you couldn’t have watched almost any of the video. You have 200 hours in Necromancer apparently but still have some rare gear on so I’m not sure if you know how to play your class with this information.

Welcome to roaming lol
I wouldnt say it was a Slaughter, sure they won but i held my own did some solid damage but in the end it was just to much. My point is, You don’t go into WvW assuming anyone is of any build, Thus you build for a bit of defense.

For some classes that is pretty much grab some of the great skills you have be it stealth, damage immunity or what ever. For Necromancer that is get Vitality and Toughness seeing as how we are quite limited on what defensive skills we can do

I am currently 12minutes into the video, it is decent. Nothing but zerging though. SO all in all doesn’t really matter for those that ROAM.

Getting from Level 2 to Level 80 in WvW ONLY takes time, doesnt get that great rewards. I have spent some of my Laurel on better gear but still got a couple of rare accessories. Armor and Weapons are Exotics. Couple of Ascended accessories and the rest Rares.

SO because i have a couple of rare accessories it means i dont know how to play a class? That makes no sense, i just can’t afford to get Exotic gear off the Trading Post and didnt want to spend all my Laurel.

glaphen.5230:

Oh you don’t say? You mean the positioning caused him to survive the entire fight. This guy also has less tanky stats than you too but based on what I keep hearing from you, you die super fast if anyone looks at you(they sound like multi vs ones and not group fights). Also look at 4:40 where he practically solos the enemy zerg with one skill.

No it means people saw him and did nothing, much easier to tag people nearly dead than fight someone. It happens. Doesn’t mean it was his positioning that meant he survived.

The part where he dropped all his marks and then all his Wells, yeah that takes skill – did you see they were also getting attacked from behind them at the same time, so not quite soloing a zerg.

Another roaming one and notice how many Dark Paths hit, like the first one being up a stair case. If you see a multi vs one incoming you run before you get into it. If you can’t escape oh well its the life of a non Thief, Mesmer, greatsword Warrior and Fiery Greatsword Elementalist roamer. Don’t roam if you can’t handle multi vs ones. You have a build made for zerging anyways so the zerg video is far better.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

Oh you don’t say? You mean the positioning caused him to survive the entire fight. This guy also has less tanky stats than you too but based on what I keep hearing from you, you die super fast if anyone looks at you(they sound like multi vs ones and not group fights). Also look at 4:40 where he practically solos the enemy zerg with one skill.

No it means people saw him and did nothing, much easier to tag people nearly dead than fight someone. It happens. Doesn’t mean it was his positioning that meant he survived.

The part where he dropped all his marks and then all his Wells, yeah that takes skill – did you see they were also getting attacked from behind them at the same time, so not quite soloing a zerg.

He knocked half the zerg over the cliff and the ones remained get slaughtered by his zerg. The positioning caused his survival and I really don’t see how you cannot see this. The thing that takes the least skill the only thing you noticed too lol.

glaphen.5230:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr6Mldi2tUc

Another roaming one and notice how many Dark Paths hit, like the first one being up a stair case. If you see a multi vs one incoming you run before you get into it. If you can’t escape oh well its the life of a non Thief, Mesmer, greatsword Warrior and Fiery Greatsword Elementalist roamer. Don’t roam if you can’t handle multi vs ones. You have a build made for zerging anyways so the zerg video is far better.

Lol assuming that because it works in a 5minute video means it works all the time lol
It is also VERY old. 5months old. You do know a lot has changed in 5months dont you?

glaphen.5230:

He knocked half the zerg over the cliff and the ones remained get slaughtered by his zerg. The positioning caused his survival and I really don’t see how you cannot see this. The thing that takes the least skill the only thing you noticed too lol.

Cliff? O.o
Did you even watch it, they were fighting in a keep at 4mins 40seconds, the time you told me to look and all he did was drop all his AoE on them…

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr6Mldi2tUc

Another roaming one and notice how many Dark Paths hit, like the first one being up a stair case. If you see a multi vs one incoming you run before you get into it. If you can’t escape oh well its the life of a non Thief, Mesmer, greatsword Warrior and Fiery Greatsword Elementalist roamer. Don’t roam if you can’t handle multi vs ones. You have a build made for zerging anyways so the zerg video is far better.

Lol assuming that because it works in a 5minute video means it works all the time lol
It is also VERY old. 5months old. You do know a lot has changed in 5months dont you?

This is after the big Necromancer changes and he is using a power build. The only changes since then have affected condition builds and if anything buffed power.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

He knocked half the zerg over the cliff and the ones remained get slaughtered by his zerg. The positioning caused his survival and I really don’t see how you cannot see this. The thing that takes the least skill the only thing you noticed too lol.

Cliff? O.o
Did you even watch it, they were fighting in a keep at 4mins 40seconds, the time you told me to look and all he did was drop all his AoE on them…

He dropped Spectral Wall fearing half the zerg off the wall.

glaphen.5230:

This is after the big Necromancer changes and he is using a power build. The only changes since then have affected condition builds and if anything buffed power.

You assume that just because he is a Power build that he doesnt have any conditions? Quite a few people used to use Weakening Shroud, even in a Power build until the Weakness was nerfed as well as the Bleeding. So changes (nerfs) to conditions and yet they affect Power Builds….

glaphen.5230:

He dropped Spectral Wall fearing half the zerg off the wall.

So, he has gone from being at a Cliff to in a tower, where they were all bunched bunched up. Yet “half the zerg” come one, most of those that were affected ran UP. You cant even see how many, if any actually fell off. In fact it shows NOTHING about anyone falling off. So you can ASSUME people fell off but that is all it is, assumption

You can also see people at the top starting to come down into the zerg as well as off the walls as the zerg he was with starts pushing through the AoE.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

He dropped Spectral Wall fearing half the zerg off the wall.

So, he has gone from being at a Cliff to in a tower, where they were all bunched bunched up. Yet “half the zerg” come one, most of those that were affected ran UP. You cant even see how many, if any actually fell off. In fact it shows NOTHING about anyone falling off. So you can ASSUME people fell off but that is all it is, assumption

You can also see people at the top starting to come down into the zerg as well as off the walls as the zerg he was with starts pushing through the AoE.

Yes I’m sure the difference between cliff and wall matters if you watched the video. Either way the fear wall on half the zerg crippled them hard. Also in the roaming video he doesn’t even use anything you mentioned in the last post so once again you have 0 kittening point.

glaphen.5230:

Yes I’m sure the difference between cliff and wall matters if you watched the video. Either way the fear wall on half the zerg crippled them hard. Also in the roaming video he doesn’t even use anything you mentioned in the last post so once again you have 0 kittening point.

Lol, you said he feared them all off, which he clearly didn’t you see what like 3-4 people running back they are running from much further down which would imply that they jumped as his zerg team, pushed forward and they were caught in the AoE mess

“crippled half the zerg” Strange, full screen, 1080p and it doesnt look like half the zerg to me. I guess the AoE his team are going to be throwing just means nothing in terms of the fight and that his team pushing means nothing because he did it all on his own…

Which person are we talking about now? coz all the videos you have shown have been by different people. I was showing an EXAMPLE of just ONE time a condition on a trait was nerfed that hurt MORE than just condition builds. Don’t assume because they aren’t condition builds that nerfs to conditions are immune to them.

You assume that just because he is a Power build that he doesnt have any conditions? Quite a few people used to use Weakening Shroud, even in a Power build until the Weakness was nerfed as well as the Bleeding. So changes (nerfs) to conditions and yet they affect Power Builds….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr6Mldi2tUc
He has none of the things you listed at all.

Also you are right he was obviously being a useless piece of kitten the entire zerging video and I would gladly take 10 of you over 1 of him.

glaphen.5230:

You assume that just because he is a Power build that he doesnt have any conditions? Quite a few people used to use Weakening Shroud, even in a Power build until the Weakness was nerfed as well as the Bleeding. So changes (nerfs) to conditions and yet they affect Power Builds….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr6Mldi2tUc
He has none of the things you listed at all.

Also you are right he was obviously being a useless piece of kitten the entire zerging video and I would gladly take 10 of you over 1 of him.

You do know that Weakening Shroud is a trait right? So far i see nothing that says what his build load out actually is…

Not saying that at all, simply saying that he alone didnt do everything you say he did. In the very fight zerg fight he could have stayed with the zerg and been perfectly fine thanks to the Guardians all using Line of Warding. He he basically did, drop a few marks and go into DS for some AoE. He could very well have done that starting with the zerg.

Just one example.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

You assume that just because he is a Power build that he doesnt have any conditions? Quite a few people used to use Weakening Shroud, even in a Power build until the Weakness was nerfed as well as the Bleeding. So changes (nerfs) to conditions and yet they affect Power Builds….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr6Mldi2tUc
He has none of the things you listed at all.

Also you are right he was obviously being a useless piece of kitten the entire zerging video and I would gladly take 10 of you over 1 of him.

You do know that Weakening Shroud is a trait right? So far i see nothing that says what his build load out actually is…

Not saying that at all, simply saying that he alone didnt do everything you say he did. In the very fight zerg fight he could have stayed with the zerg and been perfectly fine thanks to the Guardians all using Line of Warding. He he basically did, drop a few marks and go into DS for some AoE. He could very well have done that starting with the zerg.

Just one example.

Come on are seriously implying you don’t even know the class you have more experience on me with? Weakening Shroud has an obvious animation when they enter Death Shroud, now watch the video and tell me where it is.

Stop assuming that he could have lived through any of that without proper positioning or even done 1/1000 of the damage he did if he sat in his zerg.

So… which dairy farmer should I level up now?

glaphen.5230:

Come on are seriously implying you don’t even know the class you have more experience on me with? Weakening Shroud has an obvious animation when they enter Death Shroud, now watch the video and tell me where it is.

Stop assuming that he could have lived through any of that without proper positioning or even done 1/1000 of the damage he did if he sat in his zerg.

Yeah, try that against players that Immbo, chill you and such, easy to do in zergs and it USED to be useful. Now, not so much.

Also, i gave ONE example of a nerf to conditions that hurt power builds – i am sure i could give you a couple more that have hurt even just power staff using builds as well.

He could have EASILY done the same damage in the first fight. I mean, all he did was move to the side away from his zerg who didnt even have anyone get downed, spammed a few marks and then went into DS – he could have EASILY done the same from being close to his zerg.

The one on the wall was pretty good, but to assume he did all the work. Not quite.

Hey, the only class that has a right to complain about wvw balance are engineers.

Any other arguments are petty and superficial.

Rocketboots anyone?

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

Come on are seriously implying you don’t even know the class you have more experience on me with? Weakening Shroud has an obvious animation when they enter Death Shroud, now watch the video and tell me where it is.

Stop assuming that he could have lived through any of that without proper positioning or even done 1/1000 of the damage he did if he sat in his zerg.

Yeah, try that against players that Immbo, chill you and such, easy to do in zergs and it USED to be useful. Now, not so much.

Also, i gave ONE example of a nerf to conditions that hurt power builds – i am sure i could give you a couple more that have hurt even just power staff using builds as well.

He could have EASILY done the same damage in the first fight. I mean, all he did was move to the side away from his zerg who didnt even have anyone get downed, spammed a few marks and then went into DS – he could have EASILY done the same from being close to his zerg.

The one on the wall was pretty good, but to assume he did all the work. Not quite.

The guy in the video didn’t use staff so it isn’t relevant at all.

You seriously underestimate the importance of positioning in a fight. Sure the hammer train Warriors and Guardians don’t need positioning they just need to stick with their zerg as close as possible. The rest of the classes have their own place in the fight and the best spot is usually not inside the train.