Guild Wars 2

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Sadly…Whatever ANet did up till this point is…

Part I) WvW Population Reboot & New Theaters of War v.17

The World Reset is meant to allow Communities to form around a specific Time Zone.

It does not in any way stop players from other Time Zones from joining their friends and family.

Players from different Time Zones can choose to pick the same Home Globe, or they can join different Home Globes but still team-up & play together based on the New Map Mechanic.

Old World Servers are transformed into New Globes during this Population Reboot. Globes are named after their Old World Server’s Name.

Players tend to follow Commanders/Guilds in WvW.

The Theater of Wars allows International Pride between Home Globes to develop while nurturing a Globe Community that is local to a specific Time Zone.

WvW runs around the clock…it’s 24/7…

Time Zone & Language Label mechanics help players pick the right Globe to call Home.

Possible Time Zone Labels

PART II – New Map Mechanic v.36

Before explaining the Proposed New Map Mechanic. Let me explain the Vision that drives it

WvW Vision

1) World based War…that’s why it’s called WvW.

2) System that allows World Communities to grow or survive.

3) War between Worlds should typically have no borders, but should have limitations to reduce or prevent un-fair matches.

Proposed New Map Mechanic

1) Require Players to Choose 1 Home World Globe to represent.

2) Allow Players the Potential to Attack All Enemy World Globes & to Team-Up with Players from other Enemy World Globes. It’s possible for Players to create an In-Game Alliance with other “Friendly” Enemies to attack a 3rd Enemy’s World Globe.

3) Implement a WvW Home Globe Rank system based on weighted statistics.

Note: Players can pick a different Home World Globe from their Guild.

Core Map Mechanic 1 – 2

Old World Servers are transformed into New Globes. Each Globe owns all 4 maps.

Players are able to visit all Globes with Limitations.

Core Map Mechanic 2 – 2

WvW Home Globe Rank based on Weekly Weighted Statistics listed below

WvW Home Globe Rank is used as a reference point in giving out Weekly, Monthly, and Tournament Rewards.

List of Major Mechanics & Triggers

Major Mechanics & Triggers are used to create & maintain balance & harmony within the WvW Universe.

a) Players & Guilds
b) World Globe Rank & Scoring
c) Feedback & Reward System
d) Services
e) Anti-Trolling, Buffs, & Counter-Weights
f) Defense
g) Offense
h) Supply
i) Portals & Spawn Points
j) Events – PvE & WvW
k) Maps

Original Concept

Classic WvW

Please give credit to author if this idea is ever used.

A lot of effort went into this proposal…any rewards would be appreciated.

PART III – Expanded Details of Major Mechanics & Triggers v.41

Major Mechanics & Triggers are used to create & maintain balance & harmony within the WvW Universe.

a) Players & Guilds

Current
…Commander
……Commander Squad UI
……Commander Tools
…Dynamic Level Adjustment to Level 80
…Free Accounts – Level 60 required to access WvW – See Related – [Feedback] – [Services] – [Anti-Trolling]

…Roamer / Scout / Zerg

Not Implemented
…Enemy-Guest Limit for a Player can be adjusted by ANet

…Guilds can Claim 0-3 objective per map (with HoT release) – ANet can adjust number – See Related – [Defense-Auto-Upgrades]

b) World Globe Rank & Scoring

Current
…Per Tick – Every 15 minutes – Points Earned
…Per Kill – At Death – Points Earned

Not Implemented
…Per Cap – Objectives captured earn points at flip. Higher points are earned based on the Objective’s Upgrade Tier when flipped. Extremely low points awarded for objectives that have zero upgrades

…Per Cap – Objectives need to be claimed to earn Flip Points

…Per Cap – Objective Flip Points earned scale in relation to a Guild’s Home Globe WvW Rank. More points are earned if Globe is Higher Rank. Less points earned if Globe is Lower Rank

…Weekly PPT Cap of 25,000 – 100,000 Points for each Globe. ANet to adjust value to keep runaway scores from happening

…Weekly PPT Cap Adds Weight to Rank that scales to Globes that earn it first

…WvW Home Globe Rank based on Weekly Weighted Statistics in Parent Thread.

…WvW Home Globe Rank Top 3 & Bottom 3 – Global Theaters of War each maintains a separate list.

Removed
…Blood Lust Buff (with HoT release)

c) Feedback & Reward System

Current
…WvW Titles

…WvW – Daily Task – Simple
………Big Spender
………Caravan Disruptor
………Invasion Defender
………Land Claimer
………Mists Guard Killer

…WvW – Daily Task – Structure
………Camp Capturer — EotM Generators do not count
………Keep Capturer
………Objective Defender
………Tower Capturer

…WvW – Guild Missions (with HoT release) – Guild – Weekly & Overall Favor Cap – See related – [Events-WvW]

…WvW – Guild Missions (with HoT release) – Player – Personal Rewards – See related – [Events-WvW]

…WvW – Scoreboard Display Total
…WvW – Scoreboard Display Prospective Points

…WvW – Scrolls of Heroics (with HoT release) – Hero Points

…WvW – Weekly Reset Bonus Chest (0-3) per WvW Rank Earned (with HoT release) – Tied to WvW World Rank

Not Implemented
…WvW – Daily Task – Simple
………Master of Ruins (with HoT release) – Removal Pending
………Veteran Creature Slayer (with HoT release) – Removal Pending

…Loyalty Counter – Every (250-500) WvW Ranks earns Bonus Chest. Resets to Zero if WvW Home Globe Changes.

…WvW Vote Ballot NPC – that will spawn in a Home Globe’s Primary Spawn Point that gathers Votes from WvW players on Decisions that will impact the WvW or Home Globe Community. Free Accounts are not allowed to vote – See Related – [Services] – [Players]

…Top 3 Enemy Globes attacking a player’s Home Globe is diplayed in a Random fashion every time it’s viewed by the Home Team

…WvW Objectives held by Home World Globe are colored RED
…WvW Objectives held by Enemy World Globes are colored CYAN

…WvW Scoreboard Display WvW Total Points / Total Per Kill Earned / Total Per Tick Earned

d) Services

Current
…Battle Historian – WvW Rewards Merchant
…Camps
…Garrison (Keep services plus)
…Keeps
…Towers
…Starter area (Citadel in Home Borderland)
…Starter area (Enemy Borderlands)

Not Implemented

…WvW Vote Ballot NPC – See related – [Feedback & Reward System]

e) Anti-Trolling, Buffs, & Counter-Weights

Current
…Food Buff

…Outnumbered Flag Buff – Increases a player’s bonus for Experience, Magic Find, WXP, no Armor Damage on Death

…PvP Blood Lust Buff
…Resurrection Timer
…Siege Deployment Blocked
…Siege Despawn
…Transfer Lockout of Home World Globe
…WXP Consumables, Modifiers, Upgrades

Not Implemented
…Anti-Troll – WvW Dishonor Flag
……1) Let the WvW community of players flag the player(s) they think are Trolls.
……2) Put limitations on how this flag is applied to prevent abuse.
……3) Then decide on what the Dishonor flag does to these Trolls.

…Counter-Weight – Upgrade Despawn with a Decay Timer (with HoT release) – ANet can adjust timer – See Related – [Defense-Auto-Upgrades]

…Free Accounts – Can’t Buy, Deploy, or Email WvW Siege (with HoT release) – See Related – [Players]

…Free Accounts – Can’t Claim Objectives (with HoT release) – See Related – [Players]

…King of Hill Buff – Bottom 3 WvW Ranked Worlds get an automatic buff when attacking any Top WvW Ranked World’s Home Globes. Cross Global Theaters of War attacks also trigger Buff

…Implement a Dynamic Tier Level Buff with Decay Timer named “Tenacious”

• Tenacious Buff’s Tier Level increases for each 20 consecutive minutes passing that Outnumbered Buff affects a player
• Tenacious Buff’s Decay Timer has a maximum of 20 minutes & begins to count down once a player looses Outnumbered Buff
• Tenacious Buff Tier level (Low, Medium, High) affects a player by:
• —-Increase the Rewards for Outnumbered Flag Buff
• —-Increase the Reward for Killing an Enemy by a Tenacious Buffed Player
• —-Decrease the Reward for Killing a Tenacious Buffed Player by an Enemy
• Tenacious Buff Tier Level & Decay Timer diplayed as an active Buff to the player
• Tenacious Buff Decay Timer is paused during periods of Outnumbered Buff affecting a player
• Tenacious Buff Decay Timer increases if the required 20 consecutive minutes of Outnumbered Buff affects a player recurr
• Tenacious Buff ends when Decay Timer reaches zero, or a player changes map

f) Defense

Current
…Auto-Uprades (with HoT release) – See Related – [Guilds & Counter-Weights]
…Guards
…Wall/Door
…Lord
…Inner Walls
…Siege Blueprint – Shield Generator (with HoT release)
…Seige Disablers
…Siege Weapons – Cannon, Motar, Oil Pot
…Stealth Disruptor Trap
…Supply Removal Trap

Not Implemented
…Upgrade Objectives Mannually Triggered – Borderland maps are Free for Home Team
…Upgrade Objectives Mannually Triggered – Borderlands maps will Cost Gold for Enemy Team
…Upgrade Objectives Mannually Triggered – Eternal Battle map will Cost Gold for Home & Enemy Team

g) Offense
Current
…Siege Blueprint – ArrowCart, Balistae, Catapult, Treb, Golem

Not Implemented

h) Supply

Current

Not Implemented

i) Portals & Spawn Points

Current

Not Implemented
…Players entering WvW from PvE or PvP start in the Red Corner of Eternal Battle for Home Globe. WvW map Portals grant access to 4 Destinations

…1) Lions Arch
…2) Red corner of Eternal Battle for Home Globe
…3) Green corner of Eternal Battle Map of Any World Globe
…4) Blue corner of Eternal Battle Map of Any World Globe

…Choosing the Green or Blue Portal will now prompt players to pick from a list of All World Globes on Weekly Reset.

…Choosing the Green or Blue Portal will give players a customized list based on their Weekly choices & ANet’s enforced Guesting limit after Weekly Reset.

…Map travel using the (M)ap shortcut key allows simple travel to spawn points within a chosen World Globe.

j) Events – PvE & WvW

Current
…PvE – Hero Challenges
…PvE – Jumping Puzzles – Mistwrought Vault & Obsidian Sanctum
…WvW – Into the Oasis (with HoT release)
…WvW – Eternal Battle Mercenaries
…WWW – Tournament Seasons – Rewards based on WvW Home Globe Rank
…WvW – Weekly Reset
…WvW – Guild Missions (with HoT release) – See related – [Reward System-Guild-Player]

Not Implemented
…WvW – New Globe Launch Queue – New Globe launches once enough players (ANet to determine number) have paid gems in advance & selected a matching Time Zone. Players are immediately charged gems & moved to new Globe when it does launch. Percent to launch & matching Time Zone displayed to players.

…WvW – Weekly Reset for Geographic Theaters of War are assigned different reset times based on Time Zone

…WvW – Weekly or Monthly Battle Leagues – Rewards based on WvW Home Globe Rank

…WvW – Annual Home Globe Theater’s Time Zone Re-Election by WvW Vote Ballot NPC

Removed
…WvW – Breakout (with HoT release)

…WvW – Borderland PvP Blood Lust Buff (with HoT release)

k) Maps

Current
…3 Borderlands & 1 Eternal Battle

Not Implemented
…1-2 Borderlands, 1 Eternal Battle & 1 Live Beta

“Global Theaters of War” = no thank you.

DeWolfe.2174:

“Global Theaters of War” = no thank you.

I completely disagree with your nonresponse to his detailed proposal. It still could use some tinkering but the world model has been outdated for a very long time, and looking into why it doesn’t work for the majority of wvw players is probably one of the most important tasks for the dev team. That, and scrapping the new maps, or getting rid of the duplicate bl’s.

I prefer the “world” model myself, and I don’t think grouping people into set “time’s” will work well for those like myself who have varying time zones which they play in wvw during. (I think creating the time zone based play would drive people like myself away from the game completely.) Not to mention many WvW’ers like to have “pride” in the server they are fighting for. Having it to where you’re in a global theater and you can also play elsewhere would ruin the server pride furthermore than it is currently.

I love the fact wvw is 24 hours a day, as I am located in NA, but I play on “weekdays” varying times from OCX to EU, and on my “weekends” I play NA primes. So it allows me to play during any time that I want, while not being restricted by “server”, or “specified times” to be able to enjoy wvw. (I hate games which do not have 24-7 fighting.)

I disagree with doing a “world reboot” and throwing people off from their current servers as many have made friends, and established wvw communities, and that would do no good for those servers wvw communities. (It’d possibly even disconnect people from one another and cause a loss of those who like playing with xxx on a server.)

In all honesty, Anet should remove mega servers, remove EOTM, and make everything “server” based again for playing, and have the overflows which they had 3 years ago in pve if “needed”. Prior to the general pve mega servers, each server had server pride, and fighting. Some servers were RP ones, others WvW, some PVE orientated and guesting was always an option. However with the servers having the pve on their server unless in overflow, it allowed guilds and communities to recruit new WvW players fairly easily, which is not as feasible any longer due to the mega servers. Players used to port into LA on their server and even be able to shout for backup in wvw if needed, without the enemy seeing them do it, which is another thing which was lost due to mega server implementation.

As for EOTM, I would love to see it removed. Let the players who are going around in EOTM, funnel back in WvW or PvE. (The worst that could happen is they start playing the different game modes for more then just farming.)

@Mishi

Hope this explains the proposal better.

Given the following choices…Would you prefer to:

A) Fight against 2 Worlds that the System Picks for you at the beginning of every week.

Or

B) Fight against 2 Worlds that you choose at the beginning of every week from a choice of 24 NA and 27 EU Home Globes.

Option A = Current Map Mechanic
Option B = Proposed New Map Mechanic & Global Theaters of War

Given the following choices…Would you prefer to:

A) Recruit players from your Time Zone to join your Home World by shouting in LA Map Channel.

Or

B) Naturally let players choose your Home Globe based on its designated Theater of War that Annually gets voted on by your entire WvW Globe’s Population.

Option A = Current Map Mechanic
Option B = Proposed New Map Mechanic & Global Theaters of War

The proposed New Map Mechanic & Global Theaters of War will let you play with friends & family.

If you’re in a different Home Globe away from your friends & family…then just pick an Enemy Globe that you both can meet on then team-up & fight together there.

Diku.2546:

@Mishi

Hope this explains the proposal better.

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Given the following choices…Would you prefer to:

A) Fight against 2 Worlds that the System Picks for you at the beginning of every week.

Or

B) Fight against 2 Worlds that you choose at the beginning of every week from a choice of 24 NA or 27 EU Home Globes.

Option A = Current Map Mechanic
Option B = Proposed New Map Mechanic & Global Theaters of War

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The current system for matching is fine, however where it breaks down is when worlds have players and guilds “gaming” the system. (Hince why there are under/over populated servers currently.

If “players” were to pick each match who they were fighting at random then the imbalanced matches could continue by players specifically picking much weaker opponents then they currently have in matches.

Given the following choices…Would you prefer to:

A) Recruit players from your Time Zone to join your Home World by shouting in LA Map Channel.

Or

B) Naturally let players choose your Home Globe based on its designated Theater of War that Annually gets voted on by your entire WvW Globe’s Population.

Option A = Current Map Mechanic
Option B = Proposed New Map Mechanic & Global Theaters of War

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I believe my view on this was stated when I stated I do not like having the “home globe” based off of time zones, due to the fact I play during OCX/SEA/EU and NA prime times depending on which day of the week it is. I enjoy the 24hr system as it is currently in the way which no server is “based” from a specific time zone.

The proposed New Map Mechanic & Global Theaters of War will let you play with friends & family.

If you’re in a different Home Globe away from your friends & family…then just pick an Enemy Globe that you both can meet on then team-up & fight together there.

The main issue I have is that would destroy the wvw communities servers have spent time on setting up, as well as many have spent countless hours with comrades in.

I know many who put countless hours each week into maintaing a wvw community, you build friendships/bonds, and they cross a set time zone, so how would those go into the “Home globe” setting when the home globes are broken into specific time zones? Would everyone’s work thus far over years have been for nothing?

@Mishi

Hope this defines the proposal better.

New Map Mechanic has a built in counter to hopefully prevent players from “gaming” the system.

Here’s the specific mechanics that prevents this:

PART III – Expanded Details of Major Mechanics & Triggers v.33
a) Players & Guilds

Not Implemented
…Enemy-Guest Limit for a Player can be adjusted by ANet

Designed mechanic is meant to encourage players to attack the Enemy Globe that is attacking their Home Globe:

PART II – New Map Mechanic v.33
PROPOSED NEW MAP MECHANIC

1) Core Map Mechanic

New Home World is contained in a Globe.

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c) Players Enter All 4 Maps in their Home Globe as an Ally, and Enter All Maps in Other Enemy Globes as an Enemy-Guest

d) Enemy-Guest follows a “Guesting” limit of (1-3) Enemy Globes per week that a player can visit. ANet can adjust this number to reduce or prevent un-fair matches, or during tournaments

e) Top 3 Enemy Globes attacking a player’s Home Globe is diplayed in a Random fashion every time it’s viewed by the Home Team

You’re correct that players have the potential to pick weaker worlds.

Given the following choices…would you prefer to:

A) Attack the weakest Globe that represent zero threat to your Home Globe.

Or

B) Attack one of the Top 3 Enemy Globes attacking your Home Globe.

Or

C) Continue to accept a World where Players take it upon themselves to move to a Top Tier World to have fun.

Option A&B = Proposed New Map Mechanic & Global Theaters of War
Option C = Current Map Mechanic

The World Reset is meant to allow Communities to form around a specific Time Zone.

It does not in any way stop players from other Time Zones from joining their friends and family.

Players from different Time Zones can choose to pick the same Home Globe, or they can join different Home Globes but still team-up & play together based on the New Map Mechanic.

Players from different Time Zones can & should pick your Globe to rejoin you.

Just tell them which New Globe you all plan to meet up on after the World Reset…which…your World should have voted in setting their Theater of War before the Reset.

I understand WvW on weaker Worlds are Extremely Fragil. I’m on one myself.

Long Term recruiting for your Globe should be easier as the system will naturally attract players from your Time Zone to join your Globe.

The Theater assignment is also annually voted on by the entire WvW Globe community in case demographics change.

Free Accounts are not allowed to vote.

The Theater Time Zone is only meant to let prospective WvW Players know which Time Zone that WvW Community is organized around.

Let me update the information in the Global Theater of War posting later today.

Thanks for pointing out the misunderstanding.

Edit – Forgot to include these related Map Mechanics that should help weaker Globes get back into the competition.

PART III – Expanded Details of Major Mechanics & Triggers v.33

b) World Globe Rank & Scoring

Not Implemented

…WvW Home Globe Rank Top 3 & Bottom 3 – Global Theaters of War each maintains a separate list.

e) Anti-Trolling, Buffs, & Counter-Weights

…King of Hill Buff – Bottom 3 WvW Ranked Worlds get an automatic buff when attacking any Top 3 WvW Ranked World’s Home Globes. Cross Global Theaters of War attacks also trigger Buff

…Implement a Dynamic Tier Level Buff with Decay Timer named “Tenacious”

Sorry WvW Community…please don’t take this posted update as spam. I’ll really try to keep to posting updates on a single monthly basis.

Diku,

I think you have some great ideas, but I disagree on removing the world servers. To me “server pride” is an important factor, for both WvW and PvE (especially with raid content coming). I think the mega servers really messed things up, while there’s benefit for PvE, but it also created problem where the good maps with good PvE groups completing Meta events are always full with people “taxi” people in. Just as an example is the Auric basic meta events. I’ve been the zone for a week, each day with duration from 3 to 4 hours sessions. NOT once have I completed. MIshi made a good point that mega servers really took down the “server pride” in some ways, for those that do PvX instead of just PvE.

As for WvW being fun, Im on JQ and the fights against human opponents are almost none existent (based on my play time and frequency of logging into WvW maps), zergs are moving from one keep to another simple to cap and leave, let other opponents take it again so they can come back and recap it. This is not fun.

@rchu

I agree with you wholeheartedly about server pride.

I plan to rejoin my Globe after the World Reset that I’m proposing…whatever Time Zone my WvW Community decides to place it in.

The World Reset is meant to allow Communities to form around a specific Time Zone.

It does not in any way stop players from other Time Zones from joining their friends and family.

Players from different Time Zones can & should pick your Globe to rejoin you.

Just tell them which New Globe you all plan to meet up on after the World Reset…which…your World should have voted in setting their Theater of War before the Reset.

Long Term recruting for your Globe should be easier as the system will naturally attract players from your Time Zone to join your Globe.

The Theater assignment is also annually voted on by the entire WvW Globe community in case demographics change.

The Theater Time Zone is only meant to let prospective WvW Players know which Time Zone that WvW Community is organized around.

I want WvW Communities to THRIVE without having to Recruit using the LA Map Channel.

This is why I left my first reply as short as possible, to prevent any rebuttal. I do not appreciate any attempts to discriminate against players and separating all our worlds. Especially when you wish to do so by time??? WvW runs around the clock and as such requires communities to be built for continuous coverage. That’s why your concept is a non starter right from the get go. Remove any time prioritizing and begin again.

Oh and EotM stays right where it is! A lot of players enjoy and actually prefer EotM to WvW. It would be incredibly selfish of us to demand anyone play on a bl or EB instead. Especially demanding they play on those new bl’s….

@DeWolfe

I think you’re misunderstanding things…

WvW does run around the clock…that’s a good thing.

The Theater of War mechanic does not in any way whatsoever prevent a player from picking any Home Globe to join.

What it does do is let players know ahead of time…that the typical player for that Home Globe has voted & approved that they want to be associated to a particular Time Zone.

This allows players to know ahead of time…that they will be playing with other players that share the same day & night hours.

You as a player can pick & join any Home Globe you want to…there is no restriction.

The Theater of War mechanic helps in the Long Term because it allows WvW Communities to gather & play at the same day & night hours.

Night hours for your Home Globe in the proposed New Map Mechanic could be covered by Alliances with other Globes from different Time Zones.

Globes that attack you during your “night” period could be handled by a retaliation strike against the attacking Globe from your Allied partner Globe that’s in a different Time Zone.

I got your back bro…anybody messes with you…gonna get slammed by me.

That’s the concept here.

Also, WvW Guilds do not need to recruit in the LA Map channel hoping to find similar players to join thier Home Globe anymore.

I don’t like EotM either…and it really does nothing to encourage the true WvW fighting that many want to experience in my opinion. EotM was meant to be a waiting room for the main attraction…but instead turned into a Freakish PvE carnival of ktrain that bleeds soldiers from the main WvW War.

Here’s what I’m proposing to do about EotM in case you missed reading it:

PROPOSED NEW MAP MECHANIC
f) EotM Map implemented without WvW Rewards (i.e. Badges of Honor, WXP, WvW Achievements, Ascended Equipment, etc.)

Edit – This Reboot of Base Map Mechanic & Population is flexible enough to work with the Old Alpine Map or New Desert Map.

Thanks for the feedback.

Server Pride:
Then why change servers to globe, and break globes to being centered around certain time zones, thus leaving other time zones, or displacing certain players who are currently on a server and have their server pride?

Time zone coverage:
If all WvW communities were to do the same thing, then having “globes” would be no different then the current servers. (Everyone would end up funneling back into a few places for 24hr/day coverage.) And by place I mean currently its “Server” under your system it would be a select few “Globes” which were “alliances” with one another. (Same result in the end, just different name.)

So then there would be no change from the current server system if this were to happen. (Other then everyone in the game would get a free transfer/recruitment opportunity.) WvW communities would plan to go on XXX globe together as they are on XXX server together currently.

Currently the servers with activity outside of NA prime attract others who are not NA prime players, ect…

Just as a question:
Why would servers need to be broken down into time based “globes” for WvW which is a 24 hours a day 365 days a year game mode on GW2? Even with alliances that would diminish the “pride” players on a server feel for winning a match on their own.

Guild recruitment:
Guilds have always recruited from all various forms, and for guilds to stop using LA chat, ect.. Adding in globes, and making wvw globe/alliance based would not stop guilds from recruiting for “their” guild via LA or other chats. Players on GW2 and some guilds have pride in the “server” they are on as well as the “guild” they are in, and doing things with those groups without assistance from others.

@Mishi

Creating Globes allows for dynamic Match-Ups based on individual player’s choices. The current Server Tier based system uses glicko to create Match-Ups that in my opinion…doesn’t work.

Globes breaks open the only 2 enemy worlds attacking your server mode that is built into the Current Map Mechanic.

This is why I’m proposing to throw out the Current Tier Based system of 3 Worlds fighting each other in 8 or 9 Tiers.

All Globes have the potential to attack each other in an all out battle royale in this New Map Mechanic proposal. Imagine 24 NA & 27 EU Home Globes crossing over borders to fight each other…which will happen with this New Map Mechanic.

Keep in mind the player’s choices in attacking a Globe is subject to a Guesting-Limit that is in place to reduce un-fair matches from occurring. ANet can increase or decrease this number based on players trying to game the system.

Also, the WvW scoreboard will be redone to display the Top 3 Enemy Globes attacking your Home Globe in a random fashion to help you decide who to attack...this should help further randomize the Match-Ups that’s based on individual players choices.

As far as Time Zone…

It’s a player reference point that should help to build community imho. Players that share the same day & night hours tend to play at the same time.

Players can pick & join any Home Globe they want go to…there is no restriction. So if you are a night owl…then pick a time zone where the majority of players are on with you.

World servers will need to be converted into Globes.

This moment would be the best time to reset the population.

Before this reset is done…I’m proposing that we ask the entire WvW population of each World to pick their Time Zone.

Long Term recruting for your Globe should be easier as the system will naturally attract players from your Time Zone to join your Globe.

The Theater assignment is also annually voted on by the entire WvW Globe community in case demographics change.

The New Map Mechanic will allow you to play with friends & family even if they’re on a different Enemy Globe…

That being the case…you should be able to team-up & form Alliances to fight a common Enemy Globe between yourselves.

Your friends & family might be in a Globe that’s in a different Time Zone from yours & can probably recruit better in that Time Zone to help launch strike attacks against the Globes that attack your Home Globe at night.

In my opinion…this should lead to more dynamic Match-Ups…which hopefully will level the field….as it becomes a lot harder to be the top dog with more Globes attacking each other.

Or, you might be lucky…and have all your friends & family on the same Globe…but then I’d advise you to make friends with other Globes to take advantage of Alliances across Time Zones.

I’m for Time Zone based Alliances that will allow International pride to be nurtured.

I got your back bro…anybody messes with you…gonna get slammed by me.

I think pride for me means building a strong and healthy WvW Community. It’s great if the Community has all players from every Time Zone…but I don’t think that would be practical or possible in my opinion.

It’s kind of hard to tell prospective WvW Recruits that your World is strong in all Time Zones…if you are…then maybe I need to add a Global Theater of War that says…Strong in All Time Zones.

Actually having single World Servers that are Strong in All Time Zones…is probably one of the primary reasons Top Tier Worlds are so heavily stacked in my opinion.

Huge population in-balances between servers can be created by an accumulated amount of player’s behavior who take it upon themselves to migrate to Top Tier servers to have fun.

Long term…I believe this New Map Mechanic and Global World Theaters of War will provide a nurturing environment that is missing with the Current Map Mechanic & Ambiguous definitions of Community. The Time Zone is meant to bring players that share the same day & night schedules. together.

As an example…I think when a husband and wife wake & sleep at the same time…they share more of their lives together…than when it’s the opposite.

Edit – This Reboot of Base Map Mechanic & Population is flexible enough to work with the Old Alpine Map or New Desert Map.

Old Alpine map in my opinion had the right size and feel. New map will take time, but it feels like it just needs a higher number of players to reach a critical mass where the fun begins.

Seriously…thank you for asking these questions. I’ll be right back after I get some Advil.

I’m joking about the Advil…:P

Thank you…

I support this.

Mishi.7058:

I prefer the “world” model myself, and I don’t think grouping people into set “time’s” will work well for those like myself who have varying time zones which they play in wvw during. (I think creating the time zone based play would drive people like myself away from the game completely.) Not to mention many WvW’ers like to have “pride” in the server they are fighting for. Having it to where you’re in a global theater and you can also play elsewhere would ruin the server pride furthermore than it is currently.

I love the fact wvw is 24 hours a day, as I am located in NA, but I play on “weekdays” varying times from OCX to EU, and on my “weekends” I play NA primes. So it allows me to play during any time that I want, while not being restricted by “server”, or “specified times” to be able to enjoy wvw. (I hate games which do not have 24-7 fighting.)

I disagree with doing a “world reboot” and throwing people off from their current servers as many have made friends, and established wvw communities, and that would do no good for those servers wvw communities. (It’d possibly even disconnect people from one another and cause a loss of those who like playing with xxx on a server.)

In all honesty, Anet should remove mega servers, remove EOTM, and make everything “server” based again for playing, and have the overflows which they had 3 years ago in pve if “needed”. Prior to the general pve mega servers, each server had server pride, and fighting. Some servers were RP ones, others WvW, some PVE orientated and guesting was always an option. However with the servers having the pve on their server unless in overflow, it allowed guilds and communities to recruit new WvW players fairly easily, which is not as feasible any longer due to the mega servers. Players used to port into LA on their server and even be able to shout for backup in wvw if needed, without the enemy seeing them do it, which is another thing which was lost due to mega server implementation.

As for EOTM, I would love to see it removed. Let the players who are going around in EOTM, funnel back in WvW or PvE. (The worst that could happen is they start playing the different game modes for more then just farming.)

Three little comments:
1- Judging by the base idea, I’m pretty sure choosing a timezone wouldn’t really cut you out of anything. You could just choose the same timezone your server currently is, and you would get the same experience.
2- I wouldn’t suggest removing EotM… whether or not it is a great feature, it’s still an element of the game. I’m not a fan of the new borderland, but I’d still suggest moving it to the sidelines and leaving it in the game. Can’t hurt to have extra content. A lot of people love EotM, and making one or two people happy by completely removing something completely isn’t worth much when it ultimately ruins several other players’ experiences.
3- As far as I recall, megaserving was because of a drop in the playerbase that left people in emptier servers pretty much out to dry with events like The Shatterer. Server pride is a great thing – if your server can still function and complete events that require large numbers.

But I’ll agree that a reboot isn’t exactly a fun or player-friendly way to go about fixing WvW problems.

My current server has a decent size of population in all time zones, except they lack a bit during NA prime. (So I would have to choose between the 3 time zones I play during, if the system went to the globe idea, which would kinda suck.)

@Mishi

I’d say formally “Labeling” your Server for 1 Time Zone, but letting all Time Zones back on isn’t too bad a price to pay…

When the New Map Mechanic will give you the opportunity to pick from a choice of 24 NA and 27 EU Home Globes to visit as an Enemy-Guest.

Enemy-Guest follows a “Guesting” limit of (1-3) Enemy Globes per week that a player can visit. ANet can adjust this number to reduce or prevent un-fair matches, or during tournaments.

So your old WvW Server Community can still choose to Re-Stack from all Time Zones, but they’ll probably realize that it’s not a good thing to put all your population in 1 basket given this New Base Map Mechanic.

Thanks for helping me earlier to define things better.

@Swift

Never thought the Population Reboot was anti-player.

I viewed the Population Reboot as an opportunity for players to pick a New Globe that matches their Time Zone…so they can play with other players that share their day & night hours.

As an example…I think when a husband and wife wake & sleep at the same time…they share more of their lives together…

Players can still choose to pick their Old World Server in whatever Time Zone the majority of its population chooses…if that’s what they really want to do.

The Global Theater of War will not stop them, but they should know that the New Map Mechanic will be in place…and will have an “Enemy-Guest” limit in place to prevent un-fair matches.

Thank you for the encouragement & feedback.

I just got back from guild raid where we ran for 2 hours in prime time, in all 4 maps, trying to find single enemy group to fight. We found none. So I am a bit tired and annoyed.

So some thoughts. not in any specific order. Feel free to ignore if you find them out of context

I do agree that the current “servers” system does not work. I think it stopped working with megaservers and that is a lot of time ago. For new players picking a server has no meaning, they probably play for months before discovering wvw part and then see that they are stuck in “wrong” server. The server they had to choose before even playing the game. Its a mess really.

Replacing them with Globes based on time zones sounds fine to me. Maybe I missed it, but I did not see any mention of different languages. For US its not a problem. However in EU most servers have some additional language/country beside english. Some like german or french are official server languages, some like russian or polish, italian or finnish just tend to gather into one or two servers. Representing your country could be massively important, even more then playing in certain timezone.

Then at some areas I feel you are not going far enough with proposed changes. Why you feel its important to have exactly 4 maps to fight in? Just because we have 4 now is not really good reason if you try to improve current system. Why not have just one map? Specially when 3 maps are currently empty. If, and only if first map is already full of people, open up next map to fight for.

The other thing I really dislike about scoring is the constant tick based on how many objectives each side is holding. This tick basically rewards servers for not fighting, not being active, not even being online. And its terrible. I honestly do not feel any new and improved system can implement similar passive ticks where score is increased just for nothing. There should always be players doing something before they earn some points. Just for example you could get points for capturing objectives (but only once, when you capture them) or upgrading structures (obviously not with auto-upgrades like we have now but really bring in dolyaks, spread the supply around and talking with guards so they dont run off) or even capture a flag events spawning randomly on the map. What I am after here, is that you should never get any rewards if you are not doing anything and all the rewards should scale based on how many enemies are active same time.

@FogLeg

I’ve setup sub-topic threads here to continue these discussion in detail here:

WvW Time Zones and Language Options
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Time-Zones-and-Language-Options/first#post5762895

Updated – Part I) WvW Population Reboot & New Theaters of War v.11 to v.12

WvW Maps and Scoring
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Maps-and-Scoring/first#post5762907

Thank you for the feedback.

Diku

wow there is alot here ummmm dont know where i stand on it,

1) Servers
Its hard for me to say get rid of servers aka home worlds since it helped create the people i know. Before the mega server i saw the same people in the PvP lobby and the WvW borderlands and we kind of knew one another. There was something special about that. Even today me being from Crystal Desert a server which is kind of dying. WHen i get into team speak with people in PvP, one of the first things that comes up is what server are you from. When its strong guilds become part of the community and to me there is something special about being part of a team. I had 1 friend leave our server for a server with more action but he came back simply because CD he said was more like family. The time zones and picking a world to rep is intersting but for me personally have a server to give myself too is a good thing.

2) This would be a huge Reboot
Anet is really slow with changes and this would be a huge change. Lol i mean we spent $100 on this expansion and we were given a amazing looking map with nothing else. Literally this map had nothing on it.

3) Free lancing world feels too much
The ability to choose any world to attack is a bit much. Depending on how many teams you just feels like way to much.

4) Population and scoring
This definitely needs changed and has needed it for over 2 years. Also the rewards for all these things need boosted.

Overall what your asking is quite interesting but i dont know if anet would get a overall like this done quickly and correctly.

They need to at the very least close servers if they don’t have the courage to do an Alliance based system.

WvW lost basically 50% of the player base over the last year yet we still have the same amount of servers o fill, and now the maps are even bigger.

I think 2 tiers would be plenty, I doubt that WvW has more than 250-500 people playing at one time globally.

@kdaddy & Xillllix,

You might be misunderstanding the proposal. Proposal will do the following:

1) Preserve All Home Server Identities by converting Servers into a Globes.

2) Enemy-Guesting Limit allows players to Enter any Globe, but allows ANet to keep players from gaming the system.

3) Re-Use of Old or New Map is possible with a few tweeks that are already detailed in the proposal.

4) Players from Different Globes can chat and agree to meet on a shared Enemy Globe & form an Alliance to fight together.

5) Players from Low Population Globes can choose to visit higher ranked WvW Globes to team up & form Multi-Globe Alliance Zergs.

Explained below in the New Map Mechanic:

PROPOSED NEW MAP MECHANIC

A) Require Players to Choose 1 Home World Globe to represent.

B) Allow Players the Potential to Attack All Enemy World Globes & to Team-Up with Players from other Enemy World Globes. It’s possible for Players to create an In-Game Alliance with other “Friendly” Enemies to attack a 3rd Enemy’s World Globe.

C) Implement a WvW Home Globe Rank system based on weighted statistics.

Note: Players can pick a different Home World Globe from their Guild.

Current Home Servers are Converted into Home Globes.

a) Home World is called a “Globe” and is made up of 4 maps (Green, Red, Blue, EBattle). Home Team is given WP advantage on all maps except in Eternal Battle

Snip 8<

c) Players Enter All 4 Maps in their Home Globe as an Ally, and Enter All Maps in Other Enemy Globes as an Enemy-Guest

d) Enemy-Guest follows a “Guesting” limit of (1-3) Enemy Globes per week that a player can visit. ANet can adjust this number to reduce or prevent un-fair matches, or during tournaments

e) Top 3 Enemy Globes attacking a player’s Home Globe is diplayed in a Random fashion every time it’s viewed by the Home Team

Snip 8<

Edit – Forgot to include these related Map Mechanics that should help weaker Globes get back into the competition.

PART III – Expanded Details of Major Mechanics & Triggers v.33

b) World Globe Rank & Scoring

Not Implemented

…WvW Home Globe Rank Top 3 & Bottom 3 – Global Theaters of War each maintains a separate list.

e) Anti-Trolling, Buffs, & Counter-Weights

…King of Hill Buff – Bottom 3 WvW Ranked Worlds get an automatic buff when attacking any Top 3 WvW Ranked World’s Home Globes. Cross Global Theaters of War attacks also trigger Buff

…Implement a Dynamic Tier Level Buff with Decay Timer named “Tenacious”

Thanks for the feed back…hope this makes better sense.

Diku

Your idea is great, at least it’s better than the current system.

Personally I really don’t care if it’s Alliances, Globes or all these other things people have proposed… Server identity or not.

All I want is to connect, play and find large fights with 4 full different maps.

Diku.2546:

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PART II – New Map Mechanic v.33
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Before explaining the Proposed New Map Mechanic. Let me explain the Vision that drives it
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WvW VISION
1) World based War…that’s why it’s called WvW.
There could easily be 3 Worlds to 1,000 Worlds at War.
New Worlds can easily join the War in the future.
Old Worlds can be retired from the War if its population can’t support it.
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(…)
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3) War between Worlds should typically have no borders, but should have limitations to reduce or prevent un-fair matches.
All Players/Guilds are given the ability to attack any World.
(…)
Map Mechanics will be in place that scales and can be adjusted to reduce or prevent un-fair matches.

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PROPOSED NEW MAP MECHANIC
(…)
Major Mechanics & Triggers are used to create & maintain balance & harmony within the WvW Universe.
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a) Players & Guilds
b) World Globe Rank & Scoring
c) Feedback & Reward System
d) Services
e) Anti-Trolling, Buffs, & Counter-Weights
f) Defense
g) Offense
h) Supply
i) Portals & Spawn Points
j) Events – PvE & WvW
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(…)

About the vision:
U got some excelents points that share my vision but i dont think the system would require that many complicated world globe system nor map, it should be kept simple, and as much i have server pride, we could be reduced into 3 servers/factions and that would not kill server pride becouse groups would move to the X side and stay together and merge with others, maybe this would allow some guild also to grow even more.
On the #3) War between Worlds should typically have no borders, but should have limitations to reduce or prevent un-fair matches.#, this is more critical than many player might think, we should be fighthing over structures and mechanics with the add of open field fights instead of capping empty towers and leaving them to recap later, guilds on gw2 barelly have an entity compared with what guilds were in Gw1with far less upgrades, in this was mostly a downgrade, guild should be fighthing for keeps and castles to get whatever that keep is good for, being chest, mats, mechanics, boon, stategic point in the map etc.
With this the map mechanic it is not needed to have 3 equal maps(per server/globe) but a global mist map with smaller maps incorporated with castles that would get ontrolled by X color for Y faction and here is where ur “map mechanics” would enter giving tools and fights for people fight for.
I would just request events for smaller guilds/groups to be helped on the GH within the add of events rewards like requesting smaller grups for task atack in enemy stuff or defense and why not scouting maps ?

Gw1 is about the 2nd great war in tyria, while that is only thematic we had in factions an excellent campaign that brought us alot of life with the kurziks and luxons, and this could bew the new Guild Wars age for gw2, it is in theme, probably would fix WvW and would add more space of improvement for sure.
Also we could have the Guild ledder back to see wich guild contribute for for that faction/globe/server.

It would probably be better to Cut EU servers to 24, removing the lowest ones. You would need some discussion on how the redistribution of players takes place.

Allow free transit across atlantic between EU and US servers. People would have to chose an alternate server biased towards lower ones.

Allow free transit down to any of the lowest servers.

Give lower servers better personal rewards.

Balance the classes, remove or at least reduce invisibility.

@Aeolus

Appreciate the feedback.

The Globe definition is already simple & required for this New Map Mechanic to work properly.

PART II – New Map Mechanic v.33
PROPOSED NEW MAP MECHANIC

1) Core Map Mechanic

New Home World is contained in a Globe.

Snip 8<

c) Players Enter All 4 Maps in their Home Globe as an Ally, and Enter All Maps in Other Enemy Globes as an Enemy-Guest

d) Enemy-Guest follows a “Guesting” limit of (1-3) Enemy Globes per week that a player can visit. ANet can adjust this number to reduce or prevent un-fair matches, or during tournaments

e) Top 3 Enemy Globes attacking a player’s Home Globe is diplayed in a Random fashion every time it’s viewed by the Home Team

Alliances should be Player based & not system enforced imho. Let the players dynamically create it themselves.

Globes breaks open the only 2 enemy worlds attacking your server mode that is built into the Current Map Mechanic.

This is why I’m proposing to throw out the Current Tier Based system of 3 Worlds fighting each other in 8 or 9 Tiers.

All Globes have the potential to attack each other in an all out battle royale in this New Map Mechanic proposal. Imagine 24 NA & 27 EU Home Globes crossing over borders to fight each other…which will happen with this New Map Mechanic.

Keep in mind the player’s choices in attacking a Globe is subject to a Guesting-Limit that is in place to reduce un-fair matches from occurring. ANet can increase or decrease this number based on players trying to game the system.

Also, the WvW scoreboard will be redone to display the Top 3 Enemy Globes attacking your Home Globe in a random fashion to help you decide who to attack…this should help further randomize the Match-Ups that’s based on individual players choices

The New Map Mechanic will allow you to play with friends & family even if they’re on a different Enemy Globe…

That being the case…you should be able to team-up & form Alliances to fight a common Enemy Globe between yourselves.

Your friends & family might be in a Globe that’s in a different Time Zone from yours & can probably recruit better in that Time Zone to help launch strike attacks against the Globes that attack your Home Globe at night.

In my opinion…this should lead to more dynamic Match-Ups…which hopefully will level the field….as it becomes a lot harder to be the top dog with more Globes attacking each other.

I’m for Time Zone based Alliances that will allow International pride to be nurtured.

I got your back bro…anybody messes with you…gonna get slammed by me.

That’s how this Player based Alliance is envisioned to work.

Hope this better explains things for you.

Diku

I am a bit confused with certain aspects but the ability to transfer for any map and fight any opponent makes it so what is the point of having a home globe.

The problem becomes to me the middle servers. ALot of people would want to go to dead servers for simple Guild Missions for WvW and dailys and the rest probably want to be in a active map. The ability to choose any server to fight at any time to me will result in dead maps.

Also i talked about the unity of guilds and teams. This obviously helps since you have the chance to meet and team up with more people. It also potentially creates a mismatch in potential scoring. tier 1 server guild runs with a t7 and they steam roll some t3 globes. Obviously it go go any direction but people want to go where there is more action and preferably when they are winning.

there is so much to consider when you open it up like this but i do like the idea of changing some things up.

@Serious

You defninately have a good point.

Take a look at this portion of the proposal that deals with Population Re-Distribution.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Reboot-the-Base-Map-Mechanic-Population/first#post5710746

There’s also a whole section on Reward found under the proposal:

PART III – Expanded Details of Major Mechanics & Triggers v.33
c) Feedback & Reward System

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Reboot-the-Base-Map-Mechanic-Population/first#post5710750

Hope this explains things better for you.

Diku

@kdaddy

Point of the Globe.

a) Home World is called a “Globe” and is made up of 4 maps (Green, Red, Blue, EBattle). Home Team is given WP advantage on all maps except in Eternal Battle.

Snip 8<

c) Players Enter All 4 Maps in their Home Globe as an Ally, and Enter All Maps in Other Enemy Globes as an Enemy-Guest

d) Enemy-Guest follows a “Guesting” limit of (1-3) Enemy Globes per week that a player can visit. ANet can adjust this number to reduce or prevent un-fair matches, or during tournaments

World Servers are transformed into Globes. Each Globe owns all 4 maps.

Players are able to visit all Globes with Limitations.

I give +1, because somebody is really trying to save wvw, and gives some point of view how it could be done, I don’t even think that anet is thinking about wvw, they will in a few months, when it will be to late, the ppl gone will play other pc games, coming out just right now. F@llout4, Th3 D!v!sion
WvW must be saved…
Diku has an idea, it is good, bad?!, anet should think for them self, not us for them…
I think wvw -ers were the true veterans, if they leave, many will leave to, only raids will sustain the population, until it is so hard for many ppl, they will go play another game.
‘cause we all know, that every person likes to play the hardest content released, but raid is commanding ppl to use full zerker gear (this means everything put on power, precission, ferocity, even the thank only +150 toughness, and a zerk druid, +3 full condi, if not, you fail the timer, you loose every time, no mater how good you are, dps really maters here…so anet is messuring our true valor in who has more dps and full condi set). How you explain to all your friends, raid mates don’t bring shields, don’t bring lots of skills with survivebility, because we need only might, cc +180 power signets in their skill utility, and then explain to them, that for 4-6 hours be 100% good at what you are doing?! This is elitism, I’ve become myself one…and still can’t do the raid, because the ppl who like play their own play stile, or they just can’t do it without lots of survivability.. that equals with time loss…
Yes, I had to write all this down, to tell that I’m thinking of leaving Gw2, I can’t find elite players, can’t find normal players in wvw, so why to play?
(And if I’m lucky to find a good group to raid, they understand the facts, think logic, what about the rest of people?! I will not play with them to teach them.. no elite player will, because the real life time…so if you are not raiding atm, after a month by now, you will be left out , because you know nothing… it is so easy to see youtube, and copy, here it is not true… 10 to coordinate, with ts to, it is not simple, everyone has his bright idea..even me! that’s the true)
In WvW there were no problems, everyone rolled what he wanted, did what he wanted, it was simple, fun, sometimes challenging, it was everything…

ADDED – New Globe Queued To Launch Event

PART III – Expanded Details of Major Mechanics & Triggers v.35
j) Events – PvE & WvW

Not Implemented
…WvW – New Globe Launch Queue – New Globe launches once enough players (ANet to determine number) have paid gems in advance & selected a matching Time Zone. Players are immediately charged gems & moved to new Globe when it does launch. Percent to launch & matching Time Zone displayed to players.

Anet should just bring back old wvw and put the new one on public beta again, that way they can test and implement suggestions and hopefully fix all it’s issues.

LordOtto.2650:

I give +1, because somebody is really trying to save wvw, and gives some point of view how it could be done, I don’t even think that anet is thinking about wvw, they will in a few months, when it will be to late, the ppl gone will play other pc games, coming out just right now. F@llout4, Th3 D!v!sion
WvW must be saved…
…
In WvW there were no problems, everyone rolled what he wanted, did what he wanted, it was simple, fun, sometimes challenging, it was everything…

i agree also +1 for them both

I haven’t read all of it (yet) but regarding the server pride area, I suggest that a player should be rewarded (either with incentives or titles/AP) for staying loyal to particular server whether its going up or going down like a sinking ship. It will help the bandwagoning which usually happens just before a season to some extent.

One thing that i think anet did right was the tier concept…
The only broken part was the way they handled it post implementation.
For me… the system should work on a match-up style where every week one server goes up.. and one goes down on the tier.. except tier 1 where there is no way to go up and last tier where there is no way to go down..
So for example..

Server A x server B x Server C
A finishes on first position
B finishes second
C finishes third.

On the next match up week server A goes up a tier and server C goes down a tier. Server B remais where he is to fight the new oponents..
Server A slot is filled by the server who dropped from the tier he is joining..
Server C slot is filled by the server who went up a tier from and so on..

This would make every server try hard every week and stop the game politics such as “server x pushing week”

And this would make sure you would be constantly fighting different oponents every now and then..
I actually like server pride and tier concept.. but anet doesnt know what to so about it..
Just my 50 cent

@NiloyBardhan,

I’ve setup a sub-topic thread here to continue this discussion in detail here:

WvW Rewards & Titles
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Rewards-Titles/first#post5793396

Thank you for your feedback.

Diku

@BassHunteR

I’ve setup a sub-topic thread here to continue this discussion in detail here:

WvW Match-Up Mechanic
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Match-Up-Mechanic/first#post5793419

Thank you for your feedback.

Diku

Diku some of the things you want are comply counter by other things you want. Take caping a keep. You can spend all night trying to keep this keep but in doing so you give up open fields fights more ppt from more lesser objectives and over all feeling of zerging vs other groups also ganking with a smaller group. Its a chose you must make from group to group of what your objective in wvw is going to be. You simply cant do it all or have it all at least “must be the best that it can be all the time chose.”

There a few ways to play wvw atm that i can think of the open field fights set numbers or zerg vs zerg, the major objective braking , the ppt game, the defing of ppt or major objectives, the gank game. You can do a few of these at the same time but often you need to chose what your main aim is in the time you play wvw. At the same time the other 2 sides also make a chose that may simply not match up with your own. This is the problem with RvR games there a lot to do but not always some one to do them with or at least every one has there own view set on what they want to do with there time. There no npc like players who simply do want you want and only what you want.

This is pretty ambitious. The main thing that sticks out to me is that defending would become impossible. Under your system, servers could and would double team each other, and the defending server would be left to defend under impossible odds. What sort of mechanic would be in place to prevent this sort of thing? Otherwise, I support this very big change. As a last note, I think the megaserver idea was great, and something like this needs to be implemented for WvW to save it from death by non-population.

@Stand The Wall

Take a look at this map mechanic:

d) Enemy-Guest follows a “Guesting” limit of (1-3) Enemy Globes per week that a player can visit. ANet can adjust this number to reduce or prevent un-fair matches, or during tournaments

ANet can enforce a really strict “Guesting” limit of 1 Enemy Globe that a player can visit for the week. This would force players to be highly selective who they attack.

@Jski

I agree…WvW has many different things to do.

It’s critical to have someone to do things with.

You can only fight against players from 2 World Servers in the Current Map Mechanic.

The New Map Mechanic allows different players to meet & play on any Shared Enemy World Globe.

This should allow you to play with friends or family that could be on different World Globes.

Which gives you more choices in who you can play with.

Diku.2546:

@Jski

I agree…WvW has many different things to do.

It’s critical to have someone to do things with.

You can only fight against players from 2 World Servers in the Current Map Mechanic.

The New Map Mechanic allows different players to meet & play on any Shared Enemy World Globe.

This should allow you to play with friends or family that could be on different World Globes.

Which gives you more choices in who you can play with.

I think that should be the roll of EotM not WvW (mind you that i feel EotM should be more of an open pvp zone with chosen sides and a pve like end of match reward and have it comply removed from wvw.) I am suggesting having a 4 game type the open rvr or open pvp by changing EotM.

@Anonymous

Thanks for suggesting the idea to Dissolve Servers & Embrace Megaserver as it relates to the New Map Mechanic that’s being proposed.

Let’s discuss your idea in detail here:

WvW Dissolve Servers & Embrace Megaserver
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Dissolve-Servers-Embrace-Megaserver/first#post5796753

Diku

@Jski

You’re bringing up many ideas that should probably be discussed in detail.

Let’s work on expanding your ideas here:

WvW Redefine Game Mode by Changing EotM
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Redefine-Game-Mode-by-Changing-EotM/first#post5796839

Diku

With megaservers and whatnot they could do so much for WvW without destroying servers.

I will say right now I am vehemently against any kind of “alliance” system.

That being said there are too many servers and too few players right now for WvW to be a healthy game mode. What I would like to see happen, it won’t, but I would like to see it happen is for there to be 9 new WvW-worlds created.

Each world would have X number of slots in each timezone. More during NA seeing as there are more NA players, and fewer in the TZs that have fewer players. This would keep worlds from having overwhelming non-NA timezone advantages, and give non-NA players some semblance of balance. Players could either pick on their own or have their GM/guild rep pick one of these worlds for them.

Give players X amount of time after announcement before launch to decide what world they wanted to be a part of. Spur of the moment knee jerk decisions have caused us lots ofproblems already, Let them do pre-signups if necessary to allow them to “reserve” a spot on that war world or whatever you wanted to call it. Funnel new players to the lower populated worlds as they join the game to try to help with balance.

@Kaiser

Did you see this sub-topic thread about Megaserver?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Dissolve-Servers-Embrace-Megaserver/first#post5796753

Did you read this thread that details how Population Reboot is supposed to work:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Reboot-the-Base-Map-Mechanic-Population/first#post5710746

Did you see the detail about New Globe Launch Queue.

PART III – Expanded Details of Major Mechanics & Triggers v.35

j) Events – PvE & WvW
Not Implemented

…WvW – New Globe Launch Queue – New Globe launches once enough players (ANet to determine number) have paid gems in advance & selected a matching Time Zone. Players are immediately charged gems & moved to new Globe when it does launch. Percent to launch & matching Time Zone displayed to players.

This queue detail is found near the bottom of this post:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Reboot-the-Base-Map-Mechanic-Population/first#post5710750