Guild Wars 2

Excalibur.9748:

Why is it not valid? I killed pretty much all warriors prior to this patch, and after patch I lost to quite a few warriors, don’t you think this is strange and suggest that they were overbuffed?

Because we all know that a game is balanced when you kill “pretty much all the enemies”, but if we get killed a couple of times is not balanced anymore… I mean, what kind of balance let you win some fights and lose some others? That’s insane… such blasphemy,

As a nerfed to the ground necromancer i have no problem to deal with warriors, most of them end running barely alive,

On the other hand thieves are a pain in the kitten , (and save the l2p bullkitten because I have a thief),

It’s balance, paper rock and scissor… get over it, you are trying to kill a heavy class with high burst and control in melee range, maybe you should try pistols? But then maybe a necro would be able to kitten you up using pistols, paper rock and scissor,

You guys are used to have it easy, each time you face a challenge it’s like “OMG THIS IS IMPOSSIBRU!!!”

l2p issue, in fact i have no problems dealing with warriors with my thief… roll a warrrior and learn how to counter, or even easier run away,

BUT i do agree that the movement speed of warrior is ridiculous, this needs to be looked at,

@Excaliber: You are a thief asking for Warrior nerfs. Seriously, kitten off and learn to play.

You are just a little kid who cries when he loses and makes up random kittened up statistics about a build you have never played, have never played against for a significant amount and nor have you tried to counter it because you are not posting anything about testing out the HUNDREDS of suggestion given to you.
STOP PLAYING GW2 COS YOU OBVIOUSLY DON’T UNDERSTAND EVEN THE SIMPLEST OF GW2 PVP ASPECTS.

totalpwnage.6534:

@Excaliber: You are a thief asking for Warrior nerfs. Seriously, kitten off and learn to play.

You are just a little kid who cries when he loses and makes up random kittened up statistics about a build you have never played, have never played against for a significant amount and nor have you tried to counter it because you are not posting anything about testing out the HUNDREDS of suggestion given to you.
STOP PLAYING GW2 COS YOU OBVIOUSLY DON’T UNDERSTAND EVEN THE SIMPLEST OF GW2 PVP ASPECTS.

Sigh….. You have an 80 thief also I could use the same argument against you. Learn something (see Ad hominem ie impeaching the witness). It is a logic fail btw. I am a warrior asking for warrior balance guess that makes me a traitor.

Warrior and thief aren’t close right now, so why call for warrior nerfs instead of thief? O.o

Dralor.3701:

Warrior and thief aren’t close right now, so why call for warrior nerfs instead of thief? O.o

Thief nerfs should have happened months ago but the balancing is a mess. If you nerf stealth you have to up out of stealth sustained and defense. and the whole initiative system needs a rework as the fact is all you have are spammy builds (as intended it seems). This however has no effect on OP bullkitten from other classes including this one. If its OP call it out. Who cares what class it is how long you have played it. The stun is OP easy fix reduce it and move unsuspecting foe up a tier.

PvE warrior is better.
Spvp crap shoot conditions win.
WvW zerg Warrior is more useful.
Roaming both are OP ATM thief more so.

TheGuy.3568:

totalpwnage.6534:

@Excaliber: You are a thief asking for Warrior nerfs. Seriously, kitten off and learn to play.

You are just a little kid who cries when he loses and makes up random kittened up statistics about a build you have never played, have never played against for a significant amount and nor have you tried to counter it because you are not posting anything about testing out the HUNDREDS of suggestion given to you.
STOP PLAYING GW2 COS YOU OBVIOUSLY DON’T UNDERSTAND EVEN THE SIMPLEST OF GW2 PVP ASPECTS.

Sigh….. You have an 80 thief also I could use the same argument against you. Learn something (see Ad hominem ie impeaching the witness). It is a logic fail btw. I am a warrior asking for warrior balance guess that makes me a traitor.

Ofc it is a bloody personal attack on him since he is currently the biggest nub on these forums. He has been told countless times by everyone on the forums how to counter and yet he continues to rage and cry.

If you are a warrior and you are asking for a balance on this then you mustn’t have been playing for the last, what?, year?? In which warrior was extremely underpowered for WvW and roaming. This build forces people to learn to change their build to adapt to a constantly shifting battlefield.

TheGuy.3568:

Dralor.3701:

Warrior and thief aren’t close right now, so why call for warrior nerfs instead of thief? O.o

Thief nerfs should have happened months ago but the balancing is a mess. If you nerf stealth you have to up out of stealth sustained and defense. and the whole initiative system needs a rework as the fact is all you have are spammy builds (as intended it seems). This however has no effect on OP bullkitten from other classes including this one. If its OP call it out. Who cares what class it is how long you have played it. The stun is OP easy fix reduce it and move unsuspecting foe up a tier.

PvE warrior is better.
Spvp crap shoot conditions win.
WvW zerg Warrior is more useful.
Roaming both are OP ATM thief more so.

Don’t see how roaming warrior is OP at all, last time I got attacked by 2 roaming warriors (at the same time) I killed them both and it wasn’t close. Warrior is obv more useful than a thief in a zerg but still borderline useless compared to a guardian.

Dralor.3701:

TheGuy.3568:

Dralor.3701:

Warrior and thief aren’t close right now, so why call for warrior nerfs instead of thief? O.o

Thief nerfs should have happened months ago but the balancing is a mess. If you nerf stealth you have to up out of stealth sustained and defense. and the whole initiative system needs a rework as the fact is all you have are spammy builds (as intended it seems). This however has no effect on OP bullkitten from other classes including this one. If its OP call it out. Who cares what class it is how long you have played it. The stun is OP easy fix reduce it and move unsuspecting foe up a tier.

PvE warrior is better.
Spvp crap shoot conditions win.
WvW zerg Warrior is more useful.
Roaming both are OP ATM thief more so.

Don’t see how roaming warrior is OP at all, last time I got attacked by 2 roaming warriors (at the same time) I killed them both and it wasn’t close. Warrior is obv more useful than a thief in a zerg but still borderline useless compared to a guardian.

Think of the context of the thread. Is Pd thief an insane 2 shoting roamer? No but they do have builds that can do that. Considering the topic is about the that build for warrior i stand by my analysis as the potential is there.

As far as the zerg thing get some toughness and vitality. Use a hammer and try saying that again lol.

Excalibur.9748:

Why is it not valid? I killed pretty much all warriors prior to this patch, and after patch I lost to quite a few warriors, don’t you think this is strange and suggest that they were overbuffed?

Excalibur.9748:

Because a thief should be overwhelmingly better than warrior 1v1, not struggle at all. Warrior is already one of the best at PvE, ZvZ, GvG (where the thief sucks), it stands to reason the thief should crush the warrior no questions asked.

Last couple of patches overtuned warrior mobility, sustainability, and CC, so now they are too good at everything and needs to be brought down a couple of nothces.

Excalibur.9748:

A roaming class should absolutely have the advantage over warrior… warrior is already good in PvE, ZvZ, GvG, it’s not fair that it’s good at everything at once.

Excalibur.9748:

Well thief should be better than warrior in 1v1, but right now warrior is a pain to take down

Excalibur.9748:

lol srsly?! you would challenge a fresh lv80 to a duel? (Especially a spec you have some experience in, I’ve seen that video) That wouldn’t prove anything would it.

You realize that dueling builds are different from roaming builds right? If you know what build I’m gonna run, then you can just run a build specifically tailored to beat this one. How is that even fair?

Should be able to run from the few counters with greatsword mobility and -98% condi duration.

Now lets take a look

Excalibur.9748:

no stealth is balanced.

Excalibur.9748:

Just roll with the zerg if you don’t think you can win a duel with a thief that abuses stealth.

Excalibur.9748:

Thieves are the biggest joke in the game right now, People really need to L2P if they can’t beat a thief 1v1 100% of the time.

Excalibur.9748:

Not all builds are supposed to be good at 1v1.

Excalibur.9748:

The initiative system alone makes it worth it. Thief is great at getting away and having unparalleled mobility which makes the class what it is.

Excalibur.9748:

I love spamming FS on a guardian. Always makes them run.

Excalibur.9748:

Like timing 1.2.3. roll…?? Seriously? Wow the thief only has to wait until you waste the roll then spam the back stab on you.

Excalibur.9748:

unfortunately, I’m not that skilled. I spam FS and that works as well. hehe

Excalibur.9748:

This is a serious L2P issue here. I never lose to thief on my warrior, without even breaking a sweat.

And best one;

Excalibur.9748:

i think it’s an underserved nerf. now we have to slot a stun breaker??

Someone wanna sum up that guy? I will stay away from that to not get banned for few words.

I’ve grown tired and a little ashamed of beating warriors without batting an eyelash for so many months now. I’m the last person to deny them a good build even if it’s very strong 1v1.

I can finally use some competition with my mesmer. Go warriors! Show me what you got!

totalpwnage.6534:

@Excaliber: You are a thief asking for Warrior nerfs. Seriously, kitten off and learn to play.

You are just a little kid who cries when he loses and makes up random kittened up statistics about a build you have never played, have never played against for a significant amount and nor have you tried to counter it because you are not posting anything about testing out the HUNDREDS of suggestion given to you.
STOP PLAYING GW2 COS YOU OBVIOUSLY DON’T UNDERSTAND EVEN THE SIMPLEST OF GW2 PVP ASPECTS.

This is funny because I could remember you saying warrior is much better than thief and that the thief is completely useless just yesterday.

totalPwnage.6534

Get warrior definitely.
I have all professions full geared out at lvl 80 and I hate my thief. IMHO most useless class at every aspect of the game except running around, and if you are running away from people in PvP then you are sort of doing the exact opposite of fighting and will spend most of your time walking around the map or away from people when you take 3+ hits. Lets be honest, no one likes walking the entire WvW map yet thieves do it every fight they encounter because you don’t actually notice how much time is spent running on a thief.

Looks like you are just defending your precious OP spec.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Excalibur.9748:

Why is it not valid? I killed pretty much all warriors prior to this patch, and after patch I lost to quite a few warriors, don’t you think this is strange and suggest that they were overbuffed?

Excalibur.9748:

Because a thief should be overwhelmingly better than warrior 1v1, not struggle at all. Warrior is already one of the best at PvE, ZvZ, GvG (where the thief sucks), it stands to reason the thief should crush the warrior no questions asked.

Last couple of patches overtuned warrior mobility, sustainability, and CC, so now they are too good at everything and needs to be brought down a couple of nothces.

Excalibur.9748:

A roaming class should absolutely have the advantage over warrior… warrior is already good in PvE, ZvZ, GvG, it’s not fair that it’s good at everything at once.

Excalibur.9748:

Well thief should be better than warrior in 1v1, but right now warrior is a pain to take down

Excalibur.9748:

lol srsly?! you would challenge a fresh lv80 to a duel? (Especially a spec you have some experience in, I’ve seen that video) That wouldn’t prove anything would it.

You realize that dueling builds are different from roaming builds right? If you know what build I’m gonna run, then you can just run a build specifically tailored to beat this one. How is that even fair?

Should be able to run from the few counters with greatsword mobility and -98% condi duration.

Now lets take a look

Excalibur.9748:

no stealth is balanced.

Excalibur.9748:

Just roll with the zerg if you don’t think you can win a duel with a thief that abuses stealth.

Excalibur.9748:

Thieves are the biggest joke in the game right now, People really need to L2P if they can’t beat a thief 1v1 100% of the time.

Excalibur.9748:

Not all builds are supposed to be good at 1v1.

Excalibur.9748:

The initiative system alone makes it worth it. Thief is great at getting away and having unparalleled mobility which makes the class what it is.

Excalibur.9748:

I love spamming FS on a guardian. Always makes them run.

Excalibur.9748:

Like timing 1.2.3. roll…?? Seriously? Wow the thief only has to wait until you waste the roll then spam the back stab on you.

Excalibur.9748:

unfortunately, I’m not that skilled. I spam FS and that works as well. hehe

Excalibur.9748:

This is a serious L2P issue here. I never lose to thief on my warrior, without even breaking a sweat.

And best one;

Excalibur.9748:

i think it’s an underserved nerf. now we have to slot a stun breaker??

Someone wanna sum up that guy? I will stay away from that to not get banned for few words.

What’s your point? Thieves get a lot of nerfs, even though it’s ONLY good at roaming. Now you want to take that specialty away from thief and give it to warrior? How does that even BEGIN to make sense?

Notice I don’t use the FotM because I think it’s kind of cheesy and gimmicky. I prefer to win fairly and don’t really care about using the latest and greatest “OP” spec.

Don’t forget this one from only 2 days ago.

Excalibur.9748:

It’s true.

Not only do they make excellent commanders, they are also one of the most common roamers I see these days. In fact, I see warriors just as often or even more often than thieves now. I’m on TC facing SoR and BG and apparently I guess SoR and BG have a ton of warrior roamers.

Warriors are really annoying for me to deal with as I’m using S/D and I guess I have some trouble dealing with them since I’m not really used to facing warrior but I think my main problem is trying to hit them while they have endure pain up. So apparently, that is a stance.

So does a stance count as a boon or what? Can you strip it with larcenous strike? Is there a visual indicator for a stance? Sorry haven’t played a warrior, and I really lack experience dealing with warriors solo…

Does anyone have tips for dealing with warriors in general or specific tips for when using S/D + shortbow?

Note: most of them also run 2 stuns which can be used in quick succession whereas I only have 1 stunbreaker and they typically use melandru runes + lemongrass + dogged march.

Ashanor.5319:

Don’t forget this one.

Excalibur.9748:

It’s true.

Not only do they make excellent commanders, they are also one of the most common roamers I see these days. In fact, I see warriors just as often or even more often than thieves now. I’m on TC facing SoR and BG and apparently I guess SoR and BG have a ton of warrior roamers.

Warriors are really annoying for me to deal with as I’m using S/D and I guess I have some trouble dealing with them since I’m not really used to facing warrior but I think my main problem is trying to hit them while they have endure pain up. So apparently, that is a stance.

So does a stance count as a boon or what? Can you strip it with larcenous strike? Is there a visual indicator for a stance? Sorry haven’t played a warrior, and I really lack experience dealing with warriors solo…

Does anyone have tips for dealing with warriors in general or specific tips for when using S/D + shortbow?

Note: most of them also run 2 stuns which can be used in quick succession whereas I only have 1 stunbreaker and they typically use melandru runes + lemongrass + dogged march.

And????

The point is warrior is good at too many things at once. Thief is only good at roaming. Warrior is good at ZvZ, GvG, commanding, PvE, now roaming too?? How is that even fair?

Excalibur.9748:

Ashanor.5319:

Don’t forget this one.

Excalibur.9748:

It’s true.

Not only do they make excellent commanders, they are also one of the most common roamers I see these days. In fact, I see warriors just as often or even more often than thieves now. I’m on TC facing SoR and BG and apparently I guess SoR and BG have a ton of warrior roamers.

Warriors are really annoying for me to deal with as I’m using S/D and I guess I have some trouble dealing with them since I’m not really used to facing warrior but I think my main problem is trying to hit them while they have endure pain up. So apparently, that is a stance.

So does a stance count as a boon or what? Can you strip it with larcenous strike? Is there a visual indicator for a stance? Sorry haven’t played a warrior, and I really lack experience dealing with warriors solo…

Does anyone have tips for dealing with warriors in general or specific tips for when using S/D + shortbow?

Note: most of them also run 2 stuns which can be used in quick succession whereas I only have 1 stunbreaker and they typically use melandru runes + lemongrass + dogged march.

And????

The point is warrior is good at too many things at once. Thief is only good at roaming. Warrior is good at ZvZ, GvG, commanding, PvE, now roaming too?? How is that even fair?

When balance is achieved every class should be able to do everything well, pve, roam, group fights. Spvp.

Just because warrior is decent in many areas now doesnt mean it needs a nerf because your poor little thief cant do large scale fights that well.

Seriously why do i even have to type this?!

Gathslan.1870:

Excalibur.9748:

Ashanor.5319:

Don’t forget this one.

Excalibur.9748:

It’s true.

Not only do they make excellent commanders, they are also one of the most common roamers I see these days. In fact, I see warriors just as often or even more often than thieves now. I’m on TC facing SoR and BG and apparently I guess SoR and BG have a ton of warrior roamers.

Warriors are really annoying for me to deal with as I’m using S/D and I guess I have some trouble dealing with them since I’m not really used to facing warrior but I think my main problem is trying to hit them while they have endure pain up. So apparently, that is a stance.

So does a stance count as a boon or what? Can you strip it with larcenous strike? Is there a visual indicator for a stance? Sorry haven’t played a warrior, and I really lack experience dealing with warriors solo…

Does anyone have tips for dealing with warriors in general or specific tips for when using S/D + shortbow?

Note: most of them also run 2 stuns which can be used in quick succession whereas I only have 1 stunbreaker and they typically use melandru runes + lemongrass + dogged march.

And????

The point is warrior is good at too many things at once. Thief is only good at roaming. Warrior is good at ZvZ, GvG, commanding, PvE, now roaming too?? How is that even fair?

When balance is achieved every class should be able to do everything well, pve, roam, group fights. Spvp.

Just because warrior is decent in many areas now doesnt mean it needs a nerf because your poor little thief cant do large scale fights that well.

Seriously why do i even have to type this?!

Warrior is not just decent in many areas ahahha. It was already the best at many areas and these buffs just further to bring them over the top.

Sadly after reading almost all of this thread in one sitting I only have a few things to say.

I beat skull crack builds on my ranger with only 1 stun breaker and no stability. Learn to dodge.

Excalibur the fact that you are defending yourself with no foundation except your “own little world ideas” for at least a day is pretty sad. If you are truly as good as you say and warriors are truly OP as you say… why not prove everyone wrong without typing? Make a video in heart of the mists or level one up like you said and prove it. Anet will like to see and so will all these people “defending an OP build”.

Its been said too many times but I’ll say it again. Learn to Play.

Miiro.3124:

Sadly after reading almost all of this thread in one sitting I only have a few things to say.

I beat skull crack builds on my ranger with only 1 stun breaker and no stability. Learn to dodge.

Excalibur the fact that you are defending yourself with no foundation except your “own little world ideas” for at least a day is pretty sad. If you are truly as good as you say and warriors are truly OP as you say… why not prove everyone wrong without typing? Make a video in heart of the mists or level one up like you said and prove it. Anet will like to see and so will all these people “defending an OP build”.

Its been said too many times but I’ll say it again. Learn to Play.

The dynamics in sPvP is completely different and leans heavily on condi spam right now. This type of spec thrives in WvW.

I already said if this spec remains untouched I’ll be leveling my warrior to 80 and I’ll make some roaming videos. Not now, because next patch brings the account wallet which will make things easier.

Excalibur.9748:

Miiro.3124:

Sadly after reading almost all of this thread in one sitting I only have a few things to say.

I beat skull crack builds on my ranger with only 1 stun breaker and no stability. Learn to dodge.

Excalibur the fact that you are defending yourself with no foundation except your “own little world ideas” for at least a day is pretty sad. If you are truly as good as you say and warriors are truly OP as you say… why not prove everyone wrong without typing? Make a video in heart of the mists or level one up like you said and prove it. Anet will like to see and so will all these people “defending an OP build”.

Its been said too many times but I’ll say it again. Learn to Play.

The dynamics in sPvP is completely different and leans heavily on condi spam right now. This type of spec thrives in WvW.

I already said if this spec remains untouched I’ll be leveling my warrior to 80 and I’ll make some roaming videos. Not now, because next patch brings the account wallet which will make things easier.

Well, for one, it is fine in WvW. Everyone has access to the same gear. Everyone has access to the same foods. We already know you are a WvW roamer who plays S/D thief, the fact that are calling for warriors nerfs in a way that would specifically benefit you is pretty funny. Post your build, we will help you out.

lmao, his posts keep getting worse and worse.

These thief tears, I’m loving it.

Excalibur.9748:

Miiro.3124:

Sadly after reading almost all of this thread in one sitting I only have a few things to say.

I beat skull crack builds on my ranger with only 1 stun breaker and no stability. Learn to dodge.

Excalibur the fact that you are defending yourself with no foundation except your “own little world ideas” for at least a day is pretty sad. If you are truly as good as you say and warriors are truly OP as you say… why not prove everyone wrong without typing? Make a video in heart of the mists or level one up like you said and prove it. Anet will like to see and so will all these people “defending an OP build”.

Its been said too many times but I’ll say it again. Learn to Play.

The dynamics in sPvP is completely different and leans heavily on condi spam right now. This type of spec thrives in WvW.

I already said if this spec remains untouched I’ll be leveling my warrior to 80 and I’ll make some roaming videos. Not now, because next patch brings the account wallet which will make things easier.

Again your reply is meaningless. You wanna talk about sPvP meta when i didnt even say antyhing about it. Learn to dodge and what styles look like.

If warrior is so easy in all aspects of the game i dont know why you need to wait for things to be easier….

All im asking you in the nicest way possible is to shut the kitten up or make a video to back yourself up. because at the moment you have no ground to stand on and your claims are meaningless.

@Excalibur

The thing is that s/d thief is actually fotm. Thats first
And second.
“unfortunately, I’m not that skilled. I spam FS and that works as well. hehe”

So u want to kill everyone with one buttom mash? Sorry but its doesnt work this way, but probably thats the reason why u picked thief class and now complains.

Third as for wvw, i have seen few thief on 30vs30 battle scale on my server and they were last man standing. But to archieve results like these guys its takes more than simply pressing 33333. Its time to L2P. Its a true shame to losing to this build as s/d thief

Also u should start complains about guardians as they excels in every format of this game. Take a look at tpvp, a guardian is a must.

Here is the problem! You are running S/D I don’t know what your off set is but S/D doesn’t have enough burst its not a burst weapon it is a sustain damage/pressure weapon. D/D is the burst weapon setup for thief.

S/D’s strength is a daze and most warriors run 1 or 2 stabilities. So you can steal that but you still aren’t pumping out enough damage to kill warriors with healing signet.

The other problem is that S/D stays on target via a 1 sec immobilize and a cripple both of which are nullified by any warrior running dogged march, hoelbrak/melandru and lemon grass.

That is the problem none of the tools of S/D will beat a warrior unless you are extremely patient. Not saying it can’t be done but the fight favors the warrior just based on the tools available.

If you ran d/p offset it still doesn’t have the burst like d/d as it is also a sustained pressure set. It does give you good damage avoidance/mitigation because of black powder.

The thief is also still the best roaming class and most mobile class because it has stealth. Warrior is second most mobile class (WvW) no class will ever take the thieves place as the most mobilie class simply because of stealth.

When a warrior disengages it is clear as day no guess work involved when a thief disengages he can completely juke everyone provided he doesn’t noob it up and head north Hide in shadow and then keep heading north like 95% of thieves do.

If you are really deadset on running S/D you need good CnD’s and you need blind on stealth.

I got tired if reading all the replies. This build is strong but as is its easy to counter.
I run a s/sh and s/s (warrior) build with a couple stinns and i usualy win vs this build. When they dont kill me with there first combo its usualy game over for them.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Excalibur.9748:

Why is it not valid? I killed pretty much all warriors prior to this patch, and after patch I lost to quite a few warriors, don’t you think this is strange and suggest that they were overbuffed?

Excalibur.9748:

Because a thief should be overwhelmingly better than warrior 1v1, not struggle at all. Warrior is already one of the best at PvE, ZvZ, GvG (where the thief sucks), it stands to reason the thief should crush the warrior no questions asked.

Last couple of patches overtuned warrior mobility, sustainability, and CC, so now they are too good at everything and needs to be brought down a couple of nothces.

Excalibur.9748:

A roaming class should absolutely have the advantage over warrior… warrior is already good in PvE, ZvZ, GvG, it’s not fair that it’s good at everything at once.

Excalibur.9748:

Well thief should be better than warrior in 1v1, but right now warrior is a pain to take down

Excalibur.9748:

lol srsly?! you would challenge a fresh lv80 to a duel? (Especially a spec you have some experience in, I’ve seen that video) That wouldn’t prove anything would it.

You realize that dueling builds are different from roaming builds right? If you know what build I’m gonna run, then you can just run a build specifically tailored to beat this one. How is that even fair?

Should be able to run from the few counters with greatsword mobility and -98% condi duration.

Now lets take a look

Excalibur.9748:

no stealth is balanced.

Excalibur.9748:

Just roll with the zerg if you don’t think you can win a duel with a thief that abuses stealth.

Excalibur.9748:

Thieves are the biggest joke in the game right now, People really need to L2P if they can’t beat a thief 1v1 100% of the time.

Excalibur.9748:

Not all builds are supposed to be good at 1v1.

Excalibur.9748:

The initiative system alone makes it worth it. Thief is great at getting away and having unparalleled mobility which makes the class what it is.

Excalibur.9748:

I love spamming FS on a guardian. Always makes them run.

Excalibur.9748:

Like timing 1.2.3. roll…?? Seriously? Wow the thief only has to wait until you waste the roll then spam the back stab on you.

Excalibur.9748:

unfortunately, I’m not that skilled. I spam FS and that works as well. hehe

Excalibur.9748:

This is a serious L2P issue here. I never lose to thief on my warrior, without even breaking a sweat.

And best one;

Excalibur.9748:

i think it’s an underserved nerf. now we have to slot a stun breaker??

Someone wanna sum up that guy? I will stay away from that to not get banned for few words.

Poor guy, really.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Excalibur.9748:

Why is it not valid? I killed pretty much all warriors prior to this patch, and after patch I lost to quite a few warriors, don’t you think this is strange and suggest that they were overbuffed?

Excalibur.9748:

Because a thief should be overwhelmingly better than warrior 1v1, not struggle at all. Warrior is already one of the best at PvE, ZvZ, GvG (where the thief sucks), it stands to reason the thief should crush the warrior no questions asked.

Last couple of patches overtuned warrior mobility, sustainability, and CC, so now they are too good at everything and needs to be brought down a couple of nothces.

Excalibur.9748:

A roaming class should absolutely have the advantage over warrior… warrior is already good in PvE, ZvZ, GvG, it’s not fair that it’s good at everything at once.

Excalibur.9748:

Well thief should be better than warrior in 1v1, but right now warrior is a pain to take down

Excalibur.9748:

lol srsly?! you would challenge a fresh lv80 to a duel? (Especially a spec you have some experience in, I’ve seen that video) That wouldn’t prove anything would it.

You realize that dueling builds are different from roaming builds right? If you know what build I’m gonna run, then you can just run a build specifically tailored to beat this one. How is that even fair?

Should be able to run from the few counters with greatsword mobility and -98% condi duration.

Now lets take a look

Excalibur.9748:

no stealth is balanced.

Excalibur.9748:

Just roll with the zerg if you don’t think you can win a duel with a thief that abuses stealth.

Excalibur.9748:

Thieves are the biggest joke in the game right now, People really need to L2P if they can’t beat a thief 1v1 100% of the time.

Excalibur.9748:

Not all builds are supposed to be good at 1v1.

Excalibur.9748:

The initiative system alone makes it worth it. Thief is great at getting away and having unparalleled mobility which makes the class what it is.

Excalibur.9748:

I love spamming FS on a guardian. Always makes them run.

Excalibur.9748:

Like timing 1.2.3. roll…?? Seriously? Wow the thief only has to wait until you waste the roll then spam the back stab on you.

Excalibur.9748:

unfortunately, I’m not that skilled. I spam FS and that works as well. hehe

Excalibur.9748:

This is a serious L2P issue here. I never lose to thief on my warrior, without even breaking a sweat.

And best one;

Excalibur.9748:

i think it’s an underserved nerf. now we have to slot a stun breaker??

Someone wanna sum up that guy? I will stay away from that to not get banned for few words.

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Lol, i didnt even bother reading past the first page of this garbage post. I don’t use the build that the OP linked but do use a modded version and it is a very fun warrior build that is very evenly matched against many class’s in Spvp and WvW. Like any stun build if you run up against it without the proper counters you will lose against it, but it finally gives the warrior some playability against class’s we would normally not stand a single chance against. The funniest part is that the OP makes it sound as if the stun + 100 blades combo = insta death..its far from that and ive fought many class’s that just simply shrugged off my 100b for the whole duration of the stun, even with me running a full zerk gear setup. The trick to winning against this build is timing and good use of your CDs and other CC abilities.

Scoobaniec.9561:

@Excalibur

The thing is that s/d thief is actually fotm. Thats first
And second.
“unfortunately, I’m not that skilled. I spam FS and that works as well. hehe”

So u want to kill everyone with one buttom mash? Sorry but its doesnt work this way, but probably thats the reason why u picked thief class and now complains.

Third as for wvw, i have seen few thief on 30vs30 battle scale on my server and they were last man standing. But to archieve results like these guys its takes more than simply pressing 33333. Its time to L2P. Its a true shame to losing to this build as s/d thief

Also u should start complains about guardians as they excels in every format of this game. Take a look at tpvp, a guardian is a must.

Actually I don’t spam 3 anymore. It doesn’t work well anymore. Opponents adapt, and I hone my skill. That post is dated.

i’ll 1v1 him naked if he gets his warrior to 80.

This build is strong because it has sustain, a lot of it , without going healing power gear . It allows you to go damage gear while rivaling a ranger bunker with 900 healing power in sustain

People here need to stop feeding the trolls, and have an actual discussion. You have people that play warriors, and they are pointing out that there are broken parts of these builds that will lead to us getting nerfed. Instead of denying that, instead a conversation on how to fix it before Anet does should get started. If we’ve learned anything from the past it’s that Anet’s idea of fixing a class is usually burning it to the ground.

A thread like that was started on the necromancer forums, and Anet is actually watching it and somewhat interacting. Hopefully we can get one like that started here.

For the first time in months warriors have a good (not OP) spec for sPvP and roaming and people cry nerf lol.
A few things I want to mention:
1) You talk about bringing stunbreaks and how when you run out you die. Stunbreaks are only supposed to be used when you run out of dodges or mistime your dodge. If you’re 100% relying on this to avoid damage, you’re doing it wrong.
2) s/d – sb thief is actually a really good counter to the m/sh warrior. With the amount of evades you have and teleport on the weapon set, you really shouldn’t be getting hit by skullcrack. Like ever. My guess is you’re running in with 3 and immediately going for the LS. Warriors know this move and they know to hit their stuns right after the evade frames. Instead of spamming 3, use the evade, then dodge when you see the skullcrack or shield 4 animation. Both of these have very obvious tells. Then hit them with lacernous strike. Or even better use 3 instead of dodge to evade the stuns so you can immediately use LS.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

People here need to stop feeding the trolls, and have an actual discussion. You have people that play warriors, and they are pointing out that there are broken parts of these builds that will lead to us getting nerfed. Instead of denying that, instead a conversation on how to fix it before Anet does should get started. If we’ve learned anything from the past it’s that Anet’s idea of fixing a class is usually burning it to the ground.

A thread like that was started on the necromancer forums, and Anet is actually watching it and somewhat interacting. Hopefully we can get one like that started here.

You don’t play warrior. A warrior was your first 80 (10 months ago), then you moved on to bigger and better things. Your recent post history implies that your main is actually a Guardian. Stop trying to act as if you are one of us and you are simply here because you feel that you are playing an overpowered class and admit that a warrior outplayed you and you want them nerfed for it. No true warrior is going to say we are overpowered because we aren’t. As a matter of fact, no real PvP player is going to say that either, only people who got rolled because they don’t play correctly.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

People here need to stop feeding the trolls, and have an actual discussion. You have people that play warriors, and they are pointing out that there are broken parts of these builds that will lead to us getting nerfed. Instead of denying that, instead a conversation on how to fix it before Anet does should get started. If we’ve learned anything from the past it’s that Anet’s idea of fixing a class is usually burning it to the ground.

A thread like that was started on the necromancer forums, and Anet is actually watching it and somewhat interacting. Hopefully we can get one like that started here.

And hows exacly u want to nerf it? Move unespecting foe to master/gm? Bring mace stun back to 2sec making it useless? Nerf buffed healing leaving us is troubles again?

The main problem of this combo is nothing above, but the fact its skull crack>100b

If im not wrong gs will get reworked probably cutting off that combo, just the question if gs will be finally effective on its own or we still have to babysit it with second wep set. Personally im not a fan of that gimmick build, but in current situation theres nothing OP in it.

Just a 3,5sec stun to make some skill no. 2 work that should actually works without any cc in first place.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

People here need to stop feeding the trolls, and have an actual discussion. You have people that play warriors, and they are pointing out that there are broken parts of these builds that will lead to us getting nerfed. Instead of denying that, instead a conversation on how to fix it before Anet does should get started. If we’ve learned anything from the past it’s that Anet’s idea of fixing a class is usually burning it to the ground.

A thread like that was started on the necromancer forums, and Anet is actually watching it and somewhat interacting. Hopefully we can get one like that started here.

The necromancer discussion is about dhuumfire a trait this thread is about a weapon set. Totally different things.

Lets assume Anet changes mace back to pre patch many people just move to sword/shield thats all that will happen. I see some warriors still use axe but not many.

Ashanor.5319:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

People here need to stop feeding the trolls, and have an actual discussion. You have people that play warriors, and they are pointing out that there are broken parts of these builds that will lead to us getting nerfed. Instead of denying that, instead a conversation on how to fix it before Anet does should get started. If we’ve learned anything from the past it’s that Anet’s idea of fixing a class is usually burning it to the ground.

A thread like that was started on the necromancer forums, and Anet is actually watching it and somewhat interacting. Hopefully we can get one like that started here.

You don’t play warrior. A warrior was your first 80 (10 months ago), then you moved on to bigger and better things. Your recent post history implies that your main is actually a Guardian. Stop trying to act as if you are one of us and you are simply here because you feel that you are playing an overpowered class and admit that a warrior outplayed you and you want them nerfed for it. No true warrior is going to say we are overpowered because we aren’t. As a matter of fact, no real PvP player is going to say that either, only people who got rolled because they don’t play correctly.

So wait, so it’s your opinion that because my warrior was my first 80 and that was 10 months ago I somehow don’t play warrior? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

You are welcome to add me to your friends list though, and then you can see first hand how much I play my warrior. Am I one of these fotm warriors like yourself? No, I’ve been playing one since release. The “bigger and better” you are talking about was me simply taking time away from GW2 to get higher in ranked in LoL.

I will openly admit that I play multiple classes. I have an 80 warrior, guardian, thief, mesmer, ranger. I am almost there on necro/ele as well.

Please feel free to quote where I said warrior was an over powered profession. I would like to see the proof. Maybe I did say it and simply forgot. Remind me, please.

The necromancer discussion is about dhuumfire a trait this thread is about a weapon set. Totally different things.

Lets assume Anet changes mace back to pre patch many people just move to sword/shield thats all that will happen. I see some warriors still use axe but not many.

Was referring to the change about DS concerning necromancer being too tanky while dealing that much damage. There are threads on the necromancer forums very much like this one. Once people started going “o.k. yeah we are bit too strong in this area, let’s look at it” things actually worked out. Right now these forums are in the “denial” stage.

What would I propose to fix the problems? Move some of the traits higher in the trees. There should always be a choice between damage, or being tanky. Once you have a setup where you can do both you run into a problem. That’s where the warrior is right now. You don’t have to like admitting it, but the math behind it doesn’t give a kitten about your feelings. It’s just numbers.

Now if people want to start having a discussion about those numbers I’m all for it, and I think that would be really smart.

Post your sPvP class breakdown screen with you saying my name in chat and your character name visible in the chat log.

Look lets cut the BS you can go back in post history for months and see multiple topics for many of us on multiple classes. Fact is half the time people try to say we are wrong due to this but half of us who play multiple of toons and many hours know more about the game and its balancing. I am sorry to say this but it is true. There is no hard counter to this save stability (which isn’t easy to gt access too on other classes and wont break stun) and even then this build is hard to burn down due to blocks.

Now listen close before the go nerfing our mobility and all the other builds over a trait and a skill. Revert or nerf skull crack make it 2 seconds max or make it a daze and increase it to 4 seconds. Unsuspecting foe should be moved up a tier. That skill is too good for an adept trait. And lets stop pretending that most of you aren’t FOTM players. How long have we been begging for buffs and asking about nerfs to other classes. This hypocrisy is kittening stupid. It is literally OP. Like DD ele before it, 100 nades, D/P S/D thief (still need a hell of a lot of balancing), BM ranger, on and on. Somethings are OP and this is one of them. Before they go burning the house down as complaints mount and we end up in a kittenty situation again go take your favorite build and fight someone who is good with it. Then play it yourself and see how much work you have to put in to get a win. That’s what I did. I haven’t kittened about this build for a month because I have been playing It and it is most definitely OP.

Edit:
What I really do not get is why is the community that has always been number one at really getting class balance so blind right now? Do you really want your easy wins that bad? Then you should have gone over to thief months ago.

You are wrong, TheGuy. You are just another one of the few that have been spamming our forums for the last few days. Even dodge is a hard counter to this build, and if you got vigor you got dodges to spare! All you have to do is avoid skull crack, and even if you happen to eat one, there are stun breaks and stability. This isn’t even counting blocks, aegis, knock backs, knock downs, cripples, chills or even protection. Also, unless you are glass, even if you do happen to get caught in a skull crack and eat a full HB, it isn’t going to hurt that bad. Especially if the war is using soldiers like they should be in this build. If not, they are going to be pretty squishy.

What I really do not get is why is the community that has always been number one at really getting class balance so blind right now? Do you really want your easy wins that bad? Then you should have gone over to thief months ago.

Where are all those pro M/Sh GS warriors in the tournament? Don’t see any huh? Hmm. They got to be there, so overpowered and all right? The only blind one here is you. You play these other classes and think that gives you some superior perspective to all of us when in reality all it has done to you in make you not look at things objectively. This is nothing more than a nerf witch hunt. I know exactly why you want it nerfed too. You don’t want to be forced into using stunbreaks and timing your dodges better. You want to continue using your “pew pew” builds and pretending the game never changes.

Ashanor.5319:

You are wrong, TheGuy. You are just another one of the few that have been spamming our forums for the last few days. Even dodge is a hard counter to this build, and if you got vigor you got dodges to spare! All you have to do is avoid skull crack, and even if you happen to eat one, there are stun breaks and stability. This isn’t even counting blocks, aegis, knock backs, knock downs, cripples, chills or even protection. Also, unless you are glass, even if you do happen to get caught in a skull crack and eat a full HB, it isn’t going to hurt that bad. Especially if the war is using soldiers like they should be in this build. If not, they are going to be pretty squishy.

What I really do not get is why is the community that has always been number one at really getting class balance so blind right now? Do you really want your easy wins that bad? Then you should have gone over to thief months ago.

Where are all those pro M/Sh GS warriors in the tournament? Don’t see any huh? Hmm. They got to be there, so overpowered and all right? The only blind one here is you. You play these other classes and think that gives you some superior perspective to all of us when in reality all it has done to you in make you not look at things objectively. This is nothing more than a nerf witch hunt. I know exactly why you want it nerfed too. You don’t want to be forced into using stunbreaks and timing your dodges better. You want to continue using your “pew pew” builds and pretending the game never changes.

Who’s been posting on these forums longer, me or you?

oh and
http://intothemists.com/articles/spvp/tournament-comp-roles-guide/

Wait, next you will say that itm isn’t a good site for gw2 pvp huh?

TheGuy.3568:

Look lets cut the BS you can go back in post history for months and see multiple topics for many of us on multiple classes. Fact is half the time people try to say we are wrong due to this but half of us who play multiple of toons and many hours know more about the game and its balancing. I am sorry to say this but it is true. There is no hard counter to this save stability (which isn’t easy to gt access too on other classes and wont break stun) and even then this build is hard to burn down due to blocks.

Now listen close before the go nerfing our mobility and all the other builds over a trait and a skill. Revert or nerf skull crack make it 2 seconds max or make it a daze and increase it to 4 seconds. Unsuspecting foe should be moved up a tier. That skill is too good for an adept trait. And lets stop pretending that most of you aren’t FOTM players. How long have we been begging for buffs and asking about nerfs to other classes. This hypocrisy is kittening stupid. It is literally OP. Like DD ele before it, 100 nades, D/P S/D thief (still need a hell of a lot of balancing), BM ranger, on and on. Somethings are OP and this is one of them. Before they go burning the house down as complaints mount and we end up in a kittenty situation again go take your favorite build and fight someone who is good with it. Then play it yourself and see how much work you have to put in to get a win. That’s what I did. I haven’t kittened about this build for a month because I have been playing It and it is most definitely OP.

Edit:
What I really do not get is why is the community that has always been number one at really getting class balance so blind right now? Do you really want your easy wins that bad? Then you should have gone over to thief months ago.

Thank you.

I have a lot of respect for unbiased warriors who can realize the OPness of the build.

Just like I’m not afraid to admit that D/P perma-stealth thief is cheap and I would never defend it because I see it may be possibly OP.

The build I’m using now though…I’m sure it is definately not OP. Actually it’s quite kitten for roaming.

30/30/5/5/0 SD + shortbow

30 in deadly arts, 30 in critical strikes, 5 in shadow arts, 5 in acrobatics. Any seasoned thief knows this skill build is suitable for PvE but not PvP because it lacks blind on stealth, remove condi on going into stealth, regen health in stealth (or the initiative regen or vigor to spam dodges or FS/LS afforded with 30 in acrobatics/trickery. In fact you can’t spam anything with this build, you don’t have the necessary vigor/initiative to do it). I use it because I don’t like how dependent on stealth we are as a thief.

Some people say well you probably just spam 333333 right? Actually no because people are getting good at dodging larcenous strike now. Spamming it is a quick way to end yourself vs anyone good.

Nerf mace/shield wars, they stunlock like rogues on WoW but every 7 seconds ridiculous.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Ashanor.5319:

You are wrong, TheGuy. You are just another one of the few that have been spamming our forums for the last few days. Even dodge is a hard counter to this build, and if you got vigor you got dodges to spare! All you have to do is avoid skull crack, and even if you happen to eat one, there are stun breaks and stability. This isn’t even counting blocks, aegis, knock backs, knock downs, cripples, chills or even protection. Also, unless you are glass, even if you do happen to get caught in a skull crack and eat a full HB, it isn’t going to hurt that bad. Especially if the war is using soldiers like they should be in this build. If not, they are going to be pretty squishy.

What I really do not get is why is the community that has always been number one at really getting class balance so blind right now? Do you really want your easy wins that bad? Then you should have gone over to thief months ago.

Where are all those pro M/Sh GS warriors in the tournament? Don’t see any huh? Hmm. They got to be there, so overpowered and all right? The only blind one here is you. You play these other classes and think that gives you some superior perspective to all of us when in reality all it has done to you in make you not look at things objectively. This is nothing more than a nerf witch hunt. I know exactly why you want it nerfed too. You don’t want to be forced into using stunbreaks and timing your dodges better. You want to continue using your “pew pew” builds and pretending the game never changes.

Who’s been posting on these forums longer, me or you?

oh and
http://intothemists.com/articles/spvp/tournament-comp-roles-guide/

Wait, next you will say that itm isn’t a good site for gw2 pvp huh?

What do you think that proves? Whether a guide says it is alright or not, nobody who is trying to win the current tournament is running warrior last I checked. lol

I have been on these forums and other forums (such as GW2guru forums) since release, may want to try a little harder. I also exclusively played warrior in beta and have mostly played warrior and thief since release. You still didn’t post what I asked for, probably because it will show the truth.

Has anyone else noticed it is the same 5 guys in every one of these warrior nerf threads? So ridiculous.

If they nerf skull crack back to 3 seconds ill run hammer instead. Fact is they havent nerf any build because its OP solo in WvW. All we have seen is inderect nerfs to builds due to sPvP. I would like someone to post 1 ability or trait that is better in sPvP than in WvW, name 1.

Every person who has argued against M+Sh thus far has done a really terrible job of presenting their argument. It mostly consists of “It’s OP”.

@Excalibur: You only respect Warriors who agree with you. That’s the kind of person you are, and it demonstrates that you aren’t worthy of having a real discussion on the topic.

I want someone to present a well-thought-out argument against M+Sh. Consider the counters, explain why they aren’t enough, and why M+Sh provides a general edge.

Don’t include Lemongrass in your explanation, because that’s completely ridiculous.

And for the record, “4 second stun every 7 seconds lol so imba” isn’t an argument. That’s like me saying “Thieves can Black Powder+Heartseeker to stealth whenever they want? Lol so imba”. Baseless argument that cherry-picks data to try to reinforce a vacuous argument.

If you aren’t better than that, stop posting. Or continue to demonstrate your ineptitude.

If you are better than that, start explaining. I’ll wait.

The fact that a thief player comes here to call anything broken is laughable by itself.

This thread is just as ridiculous as the “OMFG NERF THIEF PLZ!!”threads that have been swarming the thief community…

Find a friend who play this build, duel him and learn how to counter it. Maybe this build is a strong counter to your build? If so, then you’ll just have to face the fact that you will have a really hard time beating it, or you just have to change your build around to be able to kill him.

People aren’t used to see warriors as strong 1v1 professions, therefore are we not used to counter them. After some time we will know what to look for and then we will have no time killing those warriors if we time our evades right.

This is actually the same thing we have said about backstab since beta; you have a key that miss you, and it’ll have your enemy miss his attack on you.

So I have actually stopped playing Guild Wars 2 now because of balance issues. However, I find it hilarious that the build I used from head start is now considered op (minus a couple of traits as they have been added in). People use to ask for the build and I finally made the post showing the build.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Warrior-Build-sPvP/first#post1816428

It is a decent build, but by no means op. This is not the stealth mechanic we are talking about. There are so many things wrong with the balance in this game and people are just now starting to complain about Warrior stuns that have been there since head start.

Since every class has a multitude of stun breakers there is no reason for complaints. Not only that, but you can easily kite this build. As soon as they pull out the Mace/Shield teleport away like the majority of you can do (Necromancer, Elementalist, Mesmer, Thief, and Guardian if you know how). Congratulations you just stopped all the stuns.

To the Thief that is complaining… I find you very funny and you more than likely just need to practice a bit before you complain about this. You can literally shut down a Warrior with offhand pistol 5 now since they have super buffed blind. Not much skill needed to beat this build. Even then, you can stealth multiple times over in comparison to what Warriors can stun.

I only watched this thread because it is a joke and I find the comments amusing.

TheGuy.3568:

Dralor.3701:

TheGuy.3568:

Dralor.3701:

Warrior and thief aren’t close right now, so why call for warrior nerfs instead of thief? O.o

Thief nerfs should have happened months ago but the balancing is a mess. If you nerf stealth you have to up out of stealth sustained and defense. and the whole initiative system needs a rework as the fact is all you have are spammy builds (as intended it seems). This however has no effect on OP bullkitten from other classes including this one. If its OP call it out. Who cares what class it is how long you have played it. The stun is OP easy fix reduce it and move unsuspecting foe up a tier.

PvE warrior is better.
Spvp crap shoot conditions win.
WvW zerg Warrior is more useful.
Roaming both are OP ATM thief more so.

Don’t see how roaming warrior is OP at all, last time I got attacked by 2 roaming warriors (at the same time) I killed them both and it wasn’t close. Warrior is obv more useful than a thief in a zerg but still borderline useless compared to a guardian.

Think of the context of the thread. Is Pd thief an insane 2 shoting roamer? No but they do have builds that can do that. Considering the topic is about the that build for warrior i stand by my analysis as the potential is there.

As far as the zerg thing get some toughness and vitality. Use a hammer and try saying that again lol.

Thief have multi builds that are good for roaming, the build you mention for a warrior is still bad at roaming.

Yeah warriors are good in zergs and still worse than a hammer/staff guardian in the same situation.

For all the insults being thrown at us “whiners”, you have failed to provide any evidence at a proper counter to this build, or provide any justification why a single build can provide superior DPS, sustain, mobility, CC and immunity to conditions AT THE SAME TIME.

The argument I keep hearing is ‘lulz you suck nub thief, use stun breakers". Well, that’s awesome and all except for the fact that my stun breaker is on a 60 sec cooldown while the stun comes every 7.5 sec, excluding the shield bash and the bulls rush, which both can be followed by a 100b.

Some of you are more open minded at least and admit lemongrass soup and/or healing sig are broken. But its the same as agreeing with my claim, u are just trying to sugarcoat it

I also keep seeing the “L 2 Dodge” argument. Well that’s nice and all except for the fact that skull crack is a poorly telegraphed special attack, has a very short activation and difficult to tell from a normal attack, and that’s assuming the warrior is not an asuran…