Guild Wars 2

My two cents. Coming from the perspective of someone that spends 90% of the time in a 5 man looking for bigger groups.
We need to be able to see long distances so that we can see where enemies are. If people don’t think there are other groups on a map, they will leave the map. When we get to a map we 1) check to see if we are outmanned 2) check to see if there are swords on anything 3) look for the orange dots 4) call out in map chat to see if there are any enemies. If there are none of these things, then we will likely leave the map to look for one with something to fight. The org dots were a nice add. Maybe adding other indicators would be helpful. With a big map with lots of terrain to block views, it is hard to see long distances and find people just running around.

The verticality is a challenge. The old map had some verticality, but most of the falls you could survive. I think it would be wise to do that with the new map. You could get around faster if you didn’t die from most of the falls. Add more stair step down drops so that someone could go straight through if needed. Having to go around sooooo much makes it hard to run around and look for fights.

Having the map be complicated with lots of LOS (compared to old map) has really benefited our small group in outmanned fights. We get an advantage for knowing the map and where and when to engage. That is a positive.

Please get rid of red NPCs outside of keeps. They interfere in fights and usually in an uneven way, where they benefit one group over another. At least yellow ones only aggro when hit, only attacking if the WvW’er is imprecise.

I really like the alerts when an objective is taken, that helps locate fights. I think it would also be great if people could have alerts regarding fights. If our guild is killing a lot of people, it would be good if it was broadcast in the map. That would let people know that we are on the map and it is worth sticking around to find us for a fight. It would also let us know if other guilds are on the map. When a guild claimed objective switches, that will tell us, but would be nice if it were easier

I have spent a ton of hours in WvW as well. Mostly 3-7 man grps. Have done some zerging and some larger guild group fights. The number one thing for me is being able to find other groups, preferably being able to see a long distance to find them. We use the sentries for sure (although I don’t think they should prevent stealth). One of the biggest problems with the new maps are all the obstructions that block viewing distance. On the old maps most fights happened in areas that were unobstructed but were on the edge on LOS options. The new maps make it very difficult to find people and then when you do find them, it is very easy for them to break line of sight and disappear. The verticality exacerbates this issue (not to mention there are many drops that will kill you rather than allowing stairstep drops).

Population wise, I think they need to merge servers big time (maybe 6 servers) and then have map iterations like in EOTM and just combine the score

It shaves off1350 points across my Alts. I will take it, thanks!

Mesmer can do condi clears, heal on mantra, regen from clones, stability, share boons, etc, no way on earth does thief provide more support, that is just crazy talk

hopefully they are adjusting how it works so that WvW ranking is more viable

My two cents…
I spend 100% of my time in WvW doing small man roaming. During the beta weekends my guild and I spent time with all of the new elites and by the third one we were really focusing on group comps. All of us have every class and we have a lot of flexibility in our group comps. We can add and/or switch classes depending on how effective we are that night. Most of us were focusing on playing 2-3 early on.

We had taken Friday off thinking we were going to be spending the day in the new BL. Then the bomb was dropped on Tuesday saying elites would require 400 HP. My most advanced character had 98 HP. Most had zero. My current Main had 4. I spent 3-4 hours doing some map complete before the release and gained about 90 HP. It sucked since I don’t like that stuff. Then Friday rolls around and instead of actually playing I spent all day getting characters to SW and doing that story over and over and over and over and over again. Then I started on my main and did HP for hours. By Saturday I had enough to unlock the elite on my main. So, two days. Then on Sunday I started doing the same HP thst I did the day before on my next character. I really struggled. So boring doing it all again. I tried getting ranks in WvW, but it is totally dead since everyone is getting forced into the jungle.

Doing ranks in WvW would take months unless you did karma train with boosters, that is not appealing either and would take three times longer. So, I will have to keep doing these HP on each character, again and again and again and again and again and again. I’m already burned out on it and am struggling to even get the second one through.

One of my guild mates isn’t even trying, he hasn’t been on at all. We also have several that were waiting to come back for the expansion, but there is no way they are doing that now. Come back, PVE for hours doing the same thing over and over and over again and maybe after 5-6 hours you can play the new elite. Then do it all over again on the next character. No way they are going to do that. So, I’m bummed they aren’t going to come back.

There are lots of ways to level, but really only one viable way to get your elite. Go do the jungle HPs over and over and over and over and over again

Well, they can both disengage at will since they can invis. When they invis, you will be the target that gets focused. They can both invis you a bit if needed, but since you are new, I would recommend you going stealth too. Mesmer has more support potential than thief if you do want to go support. But either of them can just stealth away, so don’t really even need support, maybe just start with a balanced Mesmer to provide sustained DPS but can still stealth out if needed

I know a lot of small man groups would love to tweak the rules so that they don’t get Rez-Zerged as often. Maybe for one week only allow one person to Rez in combat? Could be a big equalizer for uneven fights. OOC 5 people can still Rez.

grenade engi. if you have the right team to back you up, go glass. crate does 3-4k, barrage 7-9k, shrapnel 3-4k, even regular grenades do 2.5-3.5k. all at 1500 range

GabGar.4962:

I said I beat the kitten out of DB and I kept my promisses, have a good afternoon

This has more cheese than Nickleback!

King Amadaeus.8619:

Does NSP care about PPT?

I am thinking of moving to a server where people enjoy fighting more than kittening and moaning about PPT.

Also what about queues….I hate them, are they bad on NSP?

Are you serious about 5 hr queues? That blows my mind, would rather fight outmanned than not at all

oh, i guess i cant say kitten, i meant doouuche

[vox] mesmer is kitten

Oh, hey guys, not a GvGer, but saw this article

http://pcgamers.ph/threads/gvg-said-to-been-worked-on-by-a-dev-team-according-to-german-article-buffed-de.2993/

Said that a dev team was assigned to figure how to institute GvG. Apologies if already posted on here, didnt go through the whole thread

sounds like it won’t be happening anytime soon, but thought I would link it

DevonCarver.5370:

TheAmpca.1753:

Why don’t we get WXP for capping/defending these.

It’s far too easy to flip them just to farm WXP. One thing that is coming soon is an addition of WXP consumables to the player loot bags, which should make a pretty big addition to the amount of WXP you get from being in the area, assuming you are killing players. As to adding it to the general capping of the points, we’ll have to consider that pretty carefully before we make any changes.

I agree it is too easy to let the point degrade then step back into it to cap and get wxp, but there should be wxp similar to a camp if you are in one when the bloodlust flips to your server. You can’t rig that since it requires the other server to take it from you (the same as with camps).

Ya, well, with my guild mates I can get away with it. Without dudes you can rely on run the conservative build-knights armor, invader trinkets w/ ruby jewels and invader rifle. solid build with condo runes and food, elixir S at 25%, vigor, swiftness, shield

Haven’t linked to build editor before so not sure I did it right.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fcAQFAUlspSXHxy3F17IyoCdmoHPGlNZfewWtFEC-TkAg0CnIQShkDJDSSksINEB

This is my power build for group play in WvW. Conservative play (when not with my guild) is knights armor, melandru runes, invader trinkets w rubies. When with my guild they peel for me and keep me up. I go all zerker with Hoelbrak runes. Flame burst sigil, lemongrass. Beginning combo is our guardian does GS5, I use stimulant, supply crate, barrage, freeze, shrapnel, poison, blind=14-16k AOE damage.

Use the tanks in your grp as buffers, hang way back. When you ate targeted (and you will be eventually) toolkit shield, dodges from permanent vigor and rocket boots to buy time for your buddies to peel or heal (we always have a peeler assigned).

I use grenade kit quite a bit and understand retaliation is the trade off involved in that decision, but I do have one problem with retaliation. Retaliation ticks seem to lag which makes it difficult to gauge your health. Oftentimes there will be a big burst of retaliation, then a couple extra ticks, then a couple more. I have gotten ticks of retaliation up to 30seconds after I stopped attacking. Not sure what is happening there.

If anyone is interested in learning how to get zerged here are a couple tips:

Let them see how many people you have, they will not attack if semi-even
Run away a bit to let them know you’re scared, it encourages over extension

Also that SS I posted, those people were indeed there to fight the 7-8 spca/tm as there was nothing else going on in the map besides the fight over that camp. I wasn’t even part of the battle as you could see by the SS I was on a low 20’s character standing off to the side watching the show. And I posted the SS not to mock, but to praise those guys, so I’m not really sure how my ego plays into that, but anyways.

Can you be 100% sure of this?
You can’t.
You don’t know if someone whispered a commander in ebg or other bl warning them about golems in our BL.
I’m a scout and I spend a lot of time whispering commanders when I see something dangerous in our bl.
Or maybe something happened before you guys came in, maybe we were being outnumbered by your server or SBI and they already mapped out and the commander was just there to finish taking what we were missing."

Regarding the SS Dank posted. There was a Zerg on Zerg between Sbi and YB outside of bay. Our grp bombed SBI a couple times from behind, sandwhiching them between us and YB. Then, when SBI was gone we started attacking YB. That is why Glaezer said earlier he wasn’t surprised they kept chasing us. Most small groups know how that goes. You string out the zerg, hit them a little to keep them interested then, when the Zerg is spread out, you turn on them. Rinse and repeat. We had one of the best nights in weeks as far as getting to fight a lot of open field battles so thanks to everyone involved.

Alaric Esq. (SPLT)

Chaba.5410:

Look here, now. It’s Ironman armor. It has to be engineer.

Awesome, what colors are you using?

Nikkinella.8254:

I actually like the idea of something like this. I hate going up against zergs and usually roam alone or with a few friends. I hate spvp because the maps are so small and you’re extremely limited in how you can customize yourself and I like using weird builds and I can’t use any of them in spvp. I don’t really mind the tower capturing and stuff. I would actually like that to stay. its kinda fun grabbing one by myself for the challenge.

Ya, I was just thinking with 15-20 5mans they would have to have the same number of colors to show ownership so I just thought it would be simpler to keep them neutral.

Just an idea, I admit I know nothing about how it would be done technically,

What if Anet made an instance that any 5-man from any server could join where they could all pvp with their WvW gear and set-ups? They could use the BL maps (just make it so towers and other objectives can’t be taken). Teams randomly spawn from the current spawn points. They have the same invulnerability until they leave the area through the various exits. All 5 mans are against everyone else, so even teams from the same server would be against each other. Maybe put a cap of 15-20 teams before a que forms. This just seems like an easy way to satisfy the niche group of people that are interested in fighting other people more than taking objectives. I am sure refinements could be made to this idea just please don’t dismiss this because there is currently SPVP, many WvW players like the variety of their WvW gear and don’t enjoy SPVP.

Evilzara.6378:

I just want to give a shoutout to the [Splt] group yesterday in BP BL. You guys had 4 people and you did an amazing job against my group trying to take back Briar. I was the Human Guardian commander you killed 6+ times.

It’s amazing what 4 people can do.

Also, to the guardian Norn with the colour green and yellow who’s trying to look like an elf. You’re really ugly and we make fun of you.

Lol, that’s Dravul, he usually wears green and purple and looks like the Incredible Hulk. might have been wearing yellow yesterday. Fun fights, cheers

agentmooncat.5134:

Alaric.7628:

Also, Lad Guy hasn’t asked us if we like stuff as much as him. Is he ok?

Lol be nice- he quit playing :p

Naw, Lad Guy is too good to stop playing (his rally video video is pretty funny)

Also, Lad Guy hasn’t asked us if we like stuff as much as him. Is he ok?

agentmooncat.5134:

Alaric.7628:

agentmooncat.5134:

Glaeser.8015:

Credit where it’s do, ZERG did actually stand and fight tonight. I only wish I had a bigger group than 3 so I could actually give them the fight they deserved.

all good fun. i guess we can make general statements that all SPLT players hide in spawn when faced with generally equal fights? no, im sure i can chalk it up to kitten happens and you didn’t want to get yourself killed for the hell of it. anyways – i enjoyed the run in, hope to catch you guys more often the rest of the week =)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlIk_NwU00A

Yes, you got us, our 3 man repeatedly attacked your 5 man. I’m so ashamed… No, but seriously, that’s all we were looking for, I thought those were some fun fights and you guys were too tough of a nut for the 3 of us to crack even though we kept trying.

Cheers

I like how no one ever wants to count the PUGs lol. Don’t worry I wouldn’t have count then either if the situation was reversed it was pretty funny- we chased that char guard in an out of the NSP Zerg for about 30 mins. At one point 4 of us actually charged into that tower as your Zerg was capping it just to get him! Lol good times guys- hope all involved enjoyed the fight.

I won’t quibble with numbers, you can count the pugs if you like. Again, thought you guys fought well which is what we were expecting/hoping for from ex-noqq. No need to be kitten y.

agentmooncat.5134:

Glaeser.8015:

Credit where it’s do, ZERG did actually stand and fight tonight. I only wish I had a bigger group than 3 so I could actually give them the fight they deserved.

all good fun. i guess we can make general statements that all SPLT players hide in spawn when faced with generally equal fights? no, im sure i can chalk it up to kitten happens and you didn’t want to get yourself killed for the hell of it. anyways – i enjoyed the run in, hope to catch you guys more often the rest of the week =)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlIk_NwU00A

Yes, you got us, our 3 man repeatedly attacked your 5 man. I’m so ashamed… No, but seriously, that’s all we were looking for, I thought those were some fun fights and you guys were too tough of a nut for the 3 of us to crack even though we kept trying.

Cheers

MethaneGas.8357:

Fun times today vs. [KoM] Mesmer, [Splt] duo and [PAXA] duo.

Props ;D

You guys are impressive and classy. Thanks for the fights, cheers

Aeneasx.1589:

lol @ splt and NSP tonight. sad

You weren’t having fun? Come on, that was fun!

Sarsbear.3469:

With all this talk about zergs I thought I’d share some footage of between 5-7 SPLT taking on some IoJ.

That was fun. Except when they popped swords on my corpse. That wasn’t fun

Jscull.2514:

SPCA is serious competition, tM has 3-4 real solid guys, the rest of those guilds are pro running away builds, doesn’t make you good at winning fights, just running.

I made a thread in discussion trying to gather all the known nam that consistently run 5-6 and no more. And that win.

Are you saying SPLT is a pro running away guild?

Themanbat.3206:

Yam.2891:

helo if u read this niobe ur a dog

I second this.

Indeed, he brings up a salient point to consider. Excellent critique.

Yam.2891:

helo does anyone love pve as much as wafflez does?

That’s a trick question. Nobody answer, he is trying to find out all our secrets

Yam.2891:

does anyone love peanuts as much as i do?

That’s a trick question

Fraeg.9837:

Fun fights with Splt, you guys move well and got the better of us 2×. your ranger is a beast. Cheers

Oh we were the 4 man BP group with Soul guild tags

Ya, thanks guys for the fights! You definitely had me on lockdown quite a few times. We appreciate the competition.

Oozo.7856:

This is footage from the very first night of this matchup. When I logged on we only had 5 running. I was the sixth. We were fighting Splt, some SPCA and this other guild RUSL (people hiding under a different guild tag?).

We had no stability which made things pretty difficult (particularly as a necro) and we died a good bit, but what we did not do was come to the forums and complain about being zerged. What we did do was try to figure out how to counter some of the stuff being done to us. This was effectively us probing new opponents to see how to best fight them. Our main conclusion is that stability was a must because you were all coordinating your hard CC very well.

By the end of the night, not only were we fighting Splt, SPCA, and RUSL at the zone in but also XOXO and KOTR who actually portal bombed behind us twice while we were fighting (they died btw). Go back and look at the first page of last week’s matchup and notice how we did not complain about being outnumbered at the zone-in fights but instead complimented you on your game play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga5QMZKWeFU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y75yxF03as

Now, later on in the night (really late) we got a few more numbers. At one point we waypointed back and caught some NSP and SPCA camping the zone in. Notice how we don’t insult them as we run them over with numbers but instead actually compliment them at the end of the clip? We know that rolling over people when we have numbers means nothing. But they were outnumbered here in the same way we were outnumbered in the first clips. They complained about getting zerged, we didn’t.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x_tWOISxkI

We had, IMO, two clean fights against Splt/SPCA/XOXO that night. One win and one loss. As it turns out I recorded the loss but did not record the win. Here is the loss. It’s a lengthy clip because it was actually a series of fights with our loss at the end. Notice at the end someone says they got reinforcements, but I’m like… “meh, they won that fight.” Yes, we were stretched out and lost some numbers and had one person get ganked on his way back but the win was legit. We could have won that if we had played better. We got outplayed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWDGFM6tPZU

The win that I did not record was along the coast SE of the garrison. I suspect that they will just deny that it happened. It was SPCA and Splt. But since Splt was there, SPCA can say that we did not beat them. You know, because Splt was there.

The next day we hear about how they were bragging in Lion’s Arch about how they destroyed us. But, hey…. I’m the DB. Right?

On a side note: Os has really improved their open-field fighting since our matchup months ago.

And BTW, the whole point of this post is to show that we don’t make excuses and we recognize good players when we see them. We also don’t complain about getting zerged by good players although we will complain sometimes when we get zerged by bad players.

Those videos have something in common. Oh ya, the ones i’m in are some of the most fun I have had in the last couple weeks. Good stuff, cya out there.

Dogskins.1259:

To the solo Ele I ran into around Speldan, from NSP (Guild was [Os] I believe.) What an epic fight, lol. That’s the kind of solo stuff I like.

Ya, was fun fighting you, wish a thief could let 2 dudes battle it out.

Nausicca.6038:

Oh dear HoD at NSP Hills right now… Nice fights so far. I don’t remember the last time I could kill so many people while being alone. You finaly got me, but it was fun… and a little embarassing for you

Ya, that was impressive Nausicca, I died on the bridge and got to watch the battle. You v 4 I thought you would run, but you kept fighting and they kept coming, well done.

Also, cheers to the MoB Norn Guardian I fought by the sentry near Star Grove, that was a blast.

Draco Funestus-(NSP) Ranger