Guild Wars 2

It happens unfortunately and it’s not exclusive to HoD. My guild has had multiple people from both servers (Ebay, NSP) accuse us of hacking when we do something as basic as attack two gates at once and get guys inside through the undefended gate. Hell, one of my guys got a 12 hour suspensions because a group he fought (and beat) mass reported him.

omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg

Sororita.3465:

Aratoa.7398:

So it’s a map exploit then, just like the invuln areas. Thank you for the answer. It’s extremely sad that members of IoJ needs to resort to these kinds of things instead of actually fighting it out but I suppose you’re going to justify it to yourself one way or another.

It would only be an exploit if it was invulnerable to attack, its not. Siege isnt immune to damage like players are, the cliff within that NE tower or north of the NE sentry are perfect places to put a counter treb. Treb it back…

It literally wasn’t visible for attack. Where is it possible to hit it from?

bokkieskitten.8023:

Aratoa.7398:

Sororita.3465:

Aratoa.7398:

Not to involve myself in the forum warrioring, but IoJ/RUN guild, why are you exploiting and trebbing us at NE tower from your spawn?

its not actually an exploit, its placed in an area where siege can be placed. It may not work on all the borderlands but just maybe the green one. Across the path from the eastern vendors by the stone wall, theres an area there without a siege lock on it. Its not an exploit, an opportunistic move instead.

So it’s a map exploit then, just like the invuln areas. Thank you for the answer. It’s extremely sad that members of IoJ needs to resort to these kinds of things instead of actually fighting it out but I suppose you’re going to justify it to yourself one way or another.

No one really cares, at this point in the game… no one cares anymore.

PS. You can hit it.

I’ve never seen it used before so this is a first for me. I was genuinely surprised when I saw the treb shots coming out of spawn. Oh well.

Sororita.3465:

Aratoa.7398:

Not to involve myself in the forum warrioring, but IoJ/RUN guild, why are you exploiting and trebbing us at NE tower from your spawn?

its not actually an exploit, its placed in an area where siege can be placed. It may not work on all the borderlands but just maybe the green one. Across the path from the eastern vendors by the stone wall, theres an area there without a siege lock on it. Its not an exploit, an opportunistic move instead.

So it’s a map exploit then, just like the invuln areas. Thank you for the answer. It’s extremely sad that members of IoJ needs to resort to these kinds of things instead of actually fighting it out but I suppose you’re going to justify it to yourself one way or another.

Not to involve myself in the forum warrioring, but IoJ/RUN guild, why are you exploiting and trebbing us at NE tower from your spawn?

Buffy.9246:

ArkAngel.7940:

All BP ever does is run away into their little pillow forts to scare off the big mean monsters outside.

You can’t be serious now. All our skill guilds try to find fights and only one we see is a que zerg of MU + pugs. Even when it’s 20 vs 50 MU runs away and wps when they start losing people.
Only time you see hod is a que Zerg or not at all it seems, cd is dead.

Who are these “skill guilds” and do they run in numbers of less then 15. All we’ve found are zergs or terrible small man groups who get wiped a couple times by equal numbers and don’t come back.

This isn’t even a troll post, that’s literally been our experience this week: overwhelming numbers or lackluster play, nothing in the middle at all. I’d like to know who we should be trying to hunt down to get a decent fight outta this match.

Mayhem.1935:

Brick Tamland.6507:

Hey shout out to Kome! Really enjoyed that 4v1 we had. Don’t know how you can even talk kitten when you can’t even win a fight with 4 times the numbers. Good try though! Too bad Os had to come and ruin the party.

Your a kitten thief, stopping trying to brag with acompliment-insult sandwich. Play a class that people actually respect and 4v1 and you might get that pat on the back you desperately crave.

I think you hit a nerve.

kRAVen.4195:

Like the one you just edited about warriors?

You mean the one I made that was literally a copy and paste job of a troll post with warrior facts thrown in? The mocking post that was made assuming it’d be recognized as a mocking post because I literally took the lowest hanging fruit to do it with? I deleted it because a few moments after posting and walking away I realized that people would actually take it seriously but apparently not fast enough for avoid someone taking it seriously.

geist.3980:

infraction warning for pointing out the thief profession is carrying players. my apologies to all the thief players out there who are sensitive about the subject of poor game balance. I will now take my leave

Good players learn how to beat their opponents, bad players complain and make excuses.

Brick Tamland.6507:

Lol shout out to the Os zerg Chasing me for days. Still took you a couple of tries but at least you got to siege my body in the end.

Lol, they did the same to me once I got bored of leading them around and let them kill me.

What happened NSP? I always take my small group roaming in your BL because you’re usually cool and have similar groups but tonight it’s all one big zerg? What happened NSP, you used to be cool.

Jesse.4631:

Aratoa.7398:

Oooh, which thief? Yeah, I was there for the emote war yesterday. I hope you guys enjoyed it as much as we did. XD

It was fun till people had to go lol and i don’t remember his full name, had Poison somewhere in it though. Could of been in his account or toon name.

Hehe, I know who he is. He runs a warrior mostly now actually. Poison is his usual character name and his account name.

Jesse.4631:

Aratoa.7398:

It was literally I logged on, went into WvW and got rolled when trying to catch up to my group. Unless I flipped you off driving home from work it was unprovoked. Sorry man. But I’m not in VLK though, I’m in ASTC, do you dislike my guild for some reason?

That actually does explain it XD we were having a emote war with your guild yesterday :p sorry thought you were one of the few emoting, and no i used to duel one of your thieves a lot.

Oooh, which thief? Yeah, I was there for the emote war yesterday. I hope you guys enjoyed it as much as we did. XD

Jesse.4631:

Aratoa.7398:

No need to apologize, like I said it doesn’t bother me. Amusingly enough though, the person who took the screenshot you used as evidence was one of the first people to emote spam me (unprovoked) when Yarr rolled over me alone on Friday, lol. However I’m quite certain I’m on your list now as a person to spam emotes at, since I’ve been doing it back to you guys. No harm no foul though, it’s part of the fun.

I emoted you O.o doubt it was unprovoked then, well your at least not on my list. Only one guild i really don’t like, and it isn’t VLK.

It was literally I logged on, went into WvW and got rolled when trying to catch up to my group. Unless I flipped you off driving home from work it was unprovoked. Sorry man. But I’m not in VLK though, I’m in ASTC, do you dislike my guild for some reason?

Takerukun.8924:

Aratoa.7398:

You’re misrepresenting yourself. That is a fine screen shot but there were a number of times you had 12-15 people. They might not have been your guild (PAWG? Couple others) but it wasn’t as bad as you make it out to me.

But the main reason I’m posting is the bolded is hilarious. Yarr has been emote spamming since the moment this match started. One of the first things I said in TS when this match started was “Did I ever do anything to Yarr?” because in literally the first engagement (Me alone getting rolled by 10-15 FC, mostly Yarr) I had a bunch of Yarr members /dancing, jumping and /laughing on my corpse. This has continued every time as well. This doesn’t bother me, it’s part of the game but it’s funny you posted that when your guild has been the one I’ve seen doing it the most.

Huh? As far as I recall, by the time HoD had gotten back to the tower there were 2 members of PAWG that showed up. I think there were about 3 other people that showed up after that, but I was mainly refering to the whole “run back to their spawn camp” part, which only happened when there was nobody there but 7 Yarr and 20+ HoD. Sorry if that came out a little misrepresentational, but I was…mildly surprised that someone was calling out people for not committing to a fight where the numbers were ~3 times in the enemy’s favour.

As to the emote spamming, what I wrote is true. Personally, the only emote I use is /sit when I’m watching something from the sidelines and there’re no dead bodies within 600 range of me. For the rest of the guild, as far as I’m aware, we generally only use them when the other person already spammed it. I think there’s 1 or 2 people in our guild that will do it without much provocation, and I actually won’t defend them, ‘cause I’m not that hypocritical. If it’s any consolation, most of us have “Really? Why would you…?” facepalm moments in TS when it happens like that.

Other than that, if you didn’t do anything troll worthy to a Yarr member and you had 3+ people spam emotes at your corpse, it was probably a case of mistaken identity. And for that, I apologize.

Edit: I need to learn to format faster. It’s sad that that I can get ninja’d within 5 minutes…

No need to apologize, like I said it doesn’t bother me. Amusingly enough though, the person who took the screenshot you used as evidence was one of the first people to emote spam me (unprovoked) when Yarr rolled over me alone on Friday, lol. However I’m quite certain I’m on your list now as a person to spam emotes at, since I’ve been doing it back to you guys. No harm no foul though, it’s part of the fun.

Takerukun.8924:

SuicideByTaco.5408:

Jesse.4631:

Anyone up for duels or 2v2’s-5v5’s, so bored xD feel free to whisper me

Funny how this guild uses words that they probably don’t even understand like 2v2’s-5v5’s since all they do is run back to their spawn camp when they have an equal fight or if they r losing which is always hence the running away from their part FC has a lot of respect from all of HoD and Kain for their great numbers they have been putting out and the great fights but I gotta say they r better off without this guild if they want to move forward into the ranks they really give u a bad name gl out there HoD and FC look forward to more fights! ^^

I don’t usually like to post with smack-talk, but you’re literally begging for it with a run-on like that and I aim to please. Based off the time of your post, I can guess exactly which “spawn camp” fight you’re refering to with an “equal fight”. And, guess what? I’ve come to give you a lesson in math — how to count higher than when you only use your fingers! You can use your toes when things get complicated! I’d help with your English too, but I don’t have nearly that much free time.

If you look at the picture below (Silent’s screenshot), you’ll notice that I counted a grand total of 7 people on our side. I stopped counting your side at 20 because, frankly, my eyes started to hurt and I didn’t want you to have to put your hands in your pockets to keep up. And we still managed to kill some of you before you all ran back into the tower and hid.

We just play to have fun. We run around trying to find roughly even fights, and then we YOLO it while laughing at each other for dying. I’m not sure why you seem to think we bring the server down.

5.5/10 Try harder.

@Everybody else. Try and keep it clean guys. I’ve seen a lot of players running around that I can respect, but the number of emote-spammers is insane this week. I can understand spamming emotes to try and get a group to engage you, or because they were already spamming them. But the whole “Let’s emote the dead bodies when we tripled their numbers!” is getting annoying. >__>

You’re misrepresenting yourself. That is a fine screen shot but there were a number of times you had 12-15 people while the HoD group was down to about 7-8. They might not have been your guild (PAWG? Couple others) but it wasn’t as bad as you make it out to me.

But the main reason I’m posting is the bolded is hilarious. Yarr has been emote spamming since the moment this match started. One of the first things I said in TS when this match started was “Did I ever do anything to Yarr?” because in literally the first engagement (Me alone getting rolled by 10-15 FC, mostly Yarr) I had a bunch of Yarr members /dancing, jumping and /laughing on my corpse. This has continued every time as well. This doesn’t bother me, it’s part of the game but it’s funny you posted that when your guild has been the one I’ve seen doing it the most.

Lemme dissect your video:

You port through down to your opponent, then say you can apply conditions and port back. Which conditions are you going to apply as a sword thief? Because they don’t have any damaging conditions on their attacks. Are you referencing the extremely short immobilization that is given?

Then you make the same point, except you have your opponent pop a long cooldown (unnecessarily) to escape the immobilze. What are you trying to prove? That bad players will pop their breaks early?

2 mins in and it’s just you complaining about ports. All of which consume initiative and are limited in both range and use by the Sword thief. Oh, and did you know that the ports don’t work on a good number of parts of the map? It’s not a free leap to anywhere your opponent is as you seem to think it is.

Apparently 1.8 k damage is a lot of damage. It’s not.

3:50 in and you’re just complaining outright and… you’re back to ports.

Complaining about a class being able to evade when that is what it’s built to do. Wow. It’s true, the class has a lot of evades… kinda like the Guardian has a lot of boons, the mesmer has clones and… well… each class has something generally.

And that’s the video.

Not a lot of substance here. You could do a similar video about pretty much every class if you wanted. Cudos for not just making another complaint post but your video doesn’t make a good argument.

Selcaro.2584:

Aratoa.7398:

Nightwrath.1679:

Haha ah this match up is to funny! So me who is in AR and my guild form a group to take a henge camp bluevale. We deck this camp out and hold off henge with all our might. We just keep killing their mini zergs they bring. Then next thing we know they bring a commander with his lets see about 15-20 man zerg to stop 5 anvil rock players.. GG henge GG. Hope to kill you guys some more with just 5 of us!

Oh wow, you guys are like… so good! If only the rest of us could aspire to be as awesome as you guys. Nobody ever camps out in a camp until a zerg wipes them out! Wowee! You’ve revolutionized WvW with this. This doesn’t happen multiple times a night, no way that it happens every day multiple times! So awesome! Please make sure you post your awesome sauce tactics like this because this is to awesome not to post.

Well done!!!!! Post more of your accomplishments!!!!

Woah woah woah… U MAD BRO?

Wow, I try to compliment you on your awesome story of holding a camp and I’m mad. That hurts man, that cuts me deep. I was putting you guys up on a pedestal and you’re just jumping right off into the unwashed masses. Well, you’re not my hero anymore, I’m going to take my poster of you off the wall and find someone else to worship.

Nightwrath.1679:

Haha ah this match up is to funny! So me who is in AR and my guild form a group to take a henge camp bluevale. We deck this camp out and hold off henge with all our might. We just keep killing their mini zergs they bring. Then next thing we know they bring a commander with his lets see about 15-20 man zerg to stop 5 anvil rock players.. GG henge GG. Hope to kill you guys some more with just 5 of us!

Oh wow, you guys are like… so good! If only the rest of us could aspire to be as awesome as you guys. Nobody ever camps out in a camp until a zerg wipes them out! Wowee! You’ve revolutionized WvW with this. This doesn’t happen multiple times a night, no way that it happens every day multiple times! So awesome! Please make sure you post your awesome sauce tactics like this because this is to awesome not to post.

Well done!!!!! Post more of your accomplishments!!!!

Well, I guess that answers the question of if he’s a troll or not, lol.

wish.1027:

Aratoa.7398:

Do you have a link to the math? or the math itself?

I talked about a lot of it in this thread when I got close to finishing my ascended gear and needed to do the math to determine upgrades and foods and stuff for when I finished.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Building-a-better-D-D-thief/first
Something is broken with the Mug build though, the precision doesnt come out correctly, so the final build there is wrong.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Celestial-Armor/first#post2425144
I made this thread today and the end results can be seen there. There was another thread somewhere when I tried to determine how it counted oils/stones and why the math was wrong, but no Dev responded to me, and I got tired of trying to figure it out. The only thing I decided was that oils/stones are divisions of 1024 instead of exact % ’s, and even then, Im not 100% positive on thakittens just what I was leaning towards when I stopped caring.

Awesome, thanks very much, I’ll give the threads a read through.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Aratoa.7398:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Nice effort on the video but those players you downed are obviously bad players – pre-selected encounters chosen by you to make your build look good — well, it’s not.

First fight was with a 30% HP thief took about 6K damage before going down so based by that, she had around 19k HP. Downing her while she’s damaged only makes you look bad.
Second against a Ranger who never switched to a melee weapon —- makes you look bad.
3rd a staff Guardian sigh — makes you look worst.
… then I had watched enough since it just keeps getting worst.

And your play style is so generic. You’re not even using S/D skills properly, especially Sword#2 — I’d say, I’ve seen better game play.

Sorry, just being honest here.

If you make a video winning fighting against the following, I’d be your biggest fan;
1) SB + S/D Ranger
2) Scepter/Focus + Hammer Guardian
3) Mace/Shield + GS Warrior
4) D/P + SB Thief
5) Staff + Sword/Focus Mesmer
6) D/D Elementalist

And if you want to make relevant videos, you should transfer server to either one of the top 4. It will also make you a better player after playing against those servers.

If he’s playing so badly, then why don’t you give him some pointers instead of just cutting him down and telling him to transfer servers?

Where did I ever say he’s playing badly?

Isn’t suggesting to transfer to a top server counts as a pointer? Transferring to the top server will enhance his play style and improve his build — how is that cutting him down?

Not sure what you’re so angry about. :/

I don’t have to be angry to point out when someone is being less than helpful. I think you’re trolling but for the sake of it, I’ll throw you a bone and tell you how your post was cutting the guy down.

First you tell him he’s cherry picked his video to make his build look better then it is. Going so far as to tell him you couldn’t even finish the video. Then you tell him he’s generic, he’s not playing ‘correctly’ and that you’ve seen better. Ah, an then you tell him that, on top of all the other stuff, that his video isn’t even relevant because it’s not against a ‘top four’ server.

wish.1027:

x/x/x/30/x
Then get the traits for regen 2 ini every 10 seconds, and gain 3 ini on weapon swap, and run dual S/D. Beyond that you’ll have to decide your own traits, but for DPS, Executioner in the Critical Strikes line is going to be best.

And dont listen to people who say Soldiers gear is bad. Soldiers in correct slots (like Hat/Body/Legs) with Berserker everything else is mathematically superior for DPS and Defense compared to Valkyrie mixed with Berserkers.

Big Tower.5423:

Dont go solider armor get valkyrie armor, you loose very much dps by going pvt (loss of critdamage, which is the main dps factor)

Like this guy…

Do you have a link to the math? or the math itself?

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Nice effort on the video but those players you downed are obviously bad players – pre-selected encounters chosen by you to make your build look good — well, it’s not.

First fight was with a 30% HP thief took about 6K damage before going down so based by that, she had around 19k HP. Downing her while she’s damaged only makes you look bad.
Second against a Ranger who never switched to a melee weapon —- makes you look bad.
3rd a staff Guardian sigh — makes you look worst.
… then I had watched enough since it just keeps getting worst.

And your play style is so generic. You’re not even using S/D skills properly, especially Sword#2 — I’d say, I’ve seen better game play.

Sorry, just being honest here.

If you make a video winning fighting against the following, I’d be your biggest fan;
1) SB + S/D Ranger
2) Scepter/Focus + Hammer Guardian
3) Mace/Shield + GS Warrior
4) D/P + SB Thief
5) Staff + Sword/Focus Mesmer
6) D/D Elementalist

And if you want to make relevant videos, you should transfer server to either one of the top 4. It will also make you a better player after playing against those servers.

If he’s playing so badly, then why don’t you give him some pointers instead of just cutting him down and telling him to transfer servers?

Buffy.9246:

Cause you guys were facing small servers like Sorrow’s Furnace and Eredans Terrace :P
Now your facing the big dogs and losing.

…Are you really kitten talking when the scores are this close together? Really?

Otters.1567:

Tots.3056:

And where is the downed picture because if I remember correctly you didn’t get that stomp.

Another message by my pal, Teivospy :

Tots, you were defeated. You were defeated by a class that puts out a lot of damage as a class that when properly played can defeat the former. You were defeated inside of your zerg, not once but three times. Full HP, you had all of your cool downs and I had all of mine (except I had to use 2 of them to engage on you to get past your zerg that you hide behind, so in reality I started with one). I had to track you through clones and many name tags as well as dodge any attacks that came.

Its not about stomping you. Its about letting you know you are a bad player by stomping all over you. I’m dissatisfied with your ability, I’m bored of you and I have ended you past, present, and future. I am a better player than you and definitely a better commander If i chose to go that route. I can say this easily because i’m not dumb enough to send 20 players to get baited into wasting their time to fight 5.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8181355/gw568.jpg

geist.3980:

NSP, HOD, IOJ

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone, from all 3 servers, that put so much time into wvw. It’s hard to keep the player base motivated with new PVE dropping every 2 weeks now. good game.

I originally had the mock forum warrior posting going full throttle but then I saw this and decided that I wanted to highlight this, rather then mock the people who have decided to put down entire servers for no reason other then their own sense false bravado. As an overall community, we should be at least trying to compliment each other for the good things that are being done, rather then putting each other down for perceived slights or perceived accomplishments.

I know it won’t matter, because some folks are clearly forum warriors to the core but it’s worth noting that this guy has it right, and everyone who is forum warrioring it up has it wrong.

Otters.1567:

Aratoa.7398:

Otters.1567:

Lol the HoD posts , too much funny is hurt my tummy.

Look at this guy! You’re a comedian in real life aren’t you?

Nope, i’m nothing but just a Bazzy.

For real? kitten man. We should like… hug this out.

Otters.1567:

Lol the HoD posts , too much funny is hurt my tummy.

Look at this guy! You’re a comedian in real life aren’t you?

Buffy.9246:

Just because NSP failed to get one tower, that means the whole server sucks? Look what ArkAngel said, You guys can’t even take SM or any bl unless its in the middle of the night. By your logic: I can say Ioj is the worse server ever cause you always lose your bl to NSP everyday it seems like.
1 Tower compared to your WHOLE BL + EB side(Hod owns that usually), just made yourself look really foolish.
I once recall Ioj having a score of +10. Owning only 2 camps.
;)

You should read your own post. Just… sit there and read what you’ve said, I really hope the irony of it pops out at you at some point. Oh, and you made yourself look very foolish, I got a good chuckle out of it.

Buffy.9246:

@ Aratoa
I don’t know why you are saying this. Have you seen HOD’s zerg comapred to NSP? They have a lot more people then us. We do not have a massive night team since we tend to lose our stuff at night. Get your facts straight.
HOD tried to take nsp’s keep 6 times earlier in the day. 1 outer wall down, 2 inner walls down with a gate not 100%. All 6 times they failed with 50+ people it seems compared to NSP’s super zerg of 20-30 people. We had 2 good commanders talking to each other and leading us.
Don’t be talking smack if you don’t even know the facts.

I’m sorry that I upset you with the truth but you should really understand that you’re wrong and i’m right. Yesterday thirty NSP failed to take a tower from me and a few randoms, seventeen times they threw themselves against us and were rebuffed. It was a amusing sight to see the bags stacked as high as could be. I had to spawn a merchant to sell twice!

So perhaps it is you that needs to get your facts straight.

I’m not trying to be “rude” here guys, I hate being “rude” but let’s be honest here. The only reason NSP is higher in the rankings is because they zerg around. The average NSP player is awful compared to pretty much anyone I’ve ever fought before, and IoJ? If they didn’t have a massive night presence then they wouldn’t even be close to licking our boots.

I get that you think you’re good, but you’re not and you should come to accept that HoD is better then you in every way. I’m sorry that you had to find out this way but it’s best to get over your delusions now. That being said, I’m so glad to fight you all another night though, I’ve enjoyed running roughshod over your terrible players.

My goodness, DH/AR players sure are cowardly. They are ALWAYS running from me and thus I’m going to post a broad generalization about how they are all wusses who run if they aren’t in a giant zerg ball. They also are all terrible players and I’m sure are very ugly in real life.

Am I doing it right?

King Amadaeus.8619:

Aratoa.7398:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Aratoa.7398:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Oh its the “we are smaller therefore more skilled, and elite” argument…..Hellooooooooooo lower tiers….

Get a clue kid, everybody and their brother always hides behind that excuse. Numbers are the reason why a server “wins” the WvW match…Sf loses open field fights, HoD does too, hell i bet the almighty JQ and the rest of the nubs that piled into high tiers in the name of elitism all fail too.

The fact is that you small time people never wanna admit that there are (at the very least) a comparable amount of skilled players on every server, and in contrast bad ones. You have them, we have them, every server does.

Law of averages says that the more people you have the more you are likely to have of each….

I for one have little respect for HoD in general due to your “roll over and show our kitten” strategy the last time we met you guys. While I understand there were some that stuck it out, do not jump on your kittening high and mighty horse with me, I know quitters when I see them.

The best part about this post is how you go from saying that every server has good players, bad players, wins fights and loses fights (all correct), then switch over to characterizing an entire server and saying HoD are all quitters. Very classy and completely contradictory to the point you were making less then a paragraph earlier. Every server has quitters, yours does too and characterizing an entire server based on a win in the past is patently wrong. If HoD crushed SF, I’d bet you would see quite a few less people on the battlefield. Perhaps you shouldn’t be on your high horse as well?

Perhaps you should re-read and see that my tone addressed the majority of the players on your server (the ones that quit because it was A LOT OF THEM), while still acknowledging that SOME of you stayed….

Also my horse is bigger than your horse.

Perhaps you should re-read my post? I’m addressing the contradictory nature of yours, not the language you used. You argue that HoD and other lower population servers have equal too or less than amounts of skilled players to SF and should not say they are better individually, but then make an argument that HoD has more ‘quitters’ (indeed, almost the entire server by your estimates) then anyone else and thus have no respect for them. If (by your own admission) servers will have a relatively equal amount of good and bad players, then it’s quite likely that SF has a proportionally the same amount of ‘quitters’ as HoD and any other server, you simply haven’t been steamrolled enough to see it happen. Thus perhaps you shouldn’t have almost no respect for an entire servers worth of people based upon a win from the past which established your bias.

I love when people think they are the braniacs of the forum, trying to analyze what i am saying but ignoring that good players can be quitters, and if you knew anything about what I say or SF in general you would know that i am fully aware of our fairweather quitters.

Also my horse is still larger than yours my intellectual friend.

I love it when people can’t reply to simple criticisms and try to deflect it away. I didn’t say anything about knowing you, SF or anything else. I criticized your post for being contradictory and explained why, rather then going the normal route of just insulting you. Forgive me for assuming there was an actual discussion to go on and not simply the complaining at each other about how awful the other side is.

I’m a full sized Norn, your horse can’t be any bigger then mine.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Aratoa.7398:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Oh its the “we are smaller therefore more skilled, and elite” argument…..Hellooooooooooo lower tiers….

Get a clue kid, everybody and their brother always hides behind that excuse. Numbers are the reason why a server “wins” the WvW match…Sf loses open field fights, HoD does too, hell i bet the almighty JQ and the rest of the nubs that piled into high tiers in the name of elitism all fail too.

The fact is that you small time people never wanna admit that there are (at the very least) a comparable amount of skilled players on every server, and in contrast bad ones. You have them, we have them, every server does.

Law of averages says that the more people you have the more you are likely to have of each….

I for one have little respect for HoD in general due to your “roll over and show our kitten” strategy the last time we met you guys. While I understand there were some that stuck it out, do not jump on your kittening high and mighty horse with me, I know quitters when I see them.

The best part about this post is how you go from saying that every server has good players, bad players, wins fights and loses fights (all correct), then switch over to characterizing an entire server and saying HoD are all quitters. Very classy and completely contradictory to the point you were making less then a paragraph earlier. Every server has quitters, yours does too and characterizing an entire server based on a win in the past is patently wrong. If HoD crushed SF, I’d bet you would see quite a few less people on the battlefield. Perhaps you shouldn’t be on your high horse as well?

Perhaps you should re-read and see that my tone addressed the majority of the players on your server (the ones that quit because it was A LOT OF THEM), while still acknowledging that SOME of you stayed….

Also my horse is bigger than your horse.

Perhaps you should re-read my post? I’m addressing the contradictory nature of yours, not the language you used. You argue that HoD and other lower population servers have equal too or less than amounts of skilled players to SF and should not say they are better individually, but then make an argument that HoD has more ‘quitters’ (indeed, almost the entire server by your estimates) then anyone else and thus have no respect for them. If (by your own admission) servers will have a relatively equal amount of good and bad players, then it’s quite likely that SF has a proportionally the same amount of ‘quitters’ as HoD and any other server, you simply haven’t been steamrolled enough to see it happen. Thus perhaps you shouldn’t have almost no respect for an entire servers worth of people based upon a win from the past which established your bias.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Aratoa.7398:

The best part about this post is how you go from saying that every server has good players, bad players, wins fights and loses fights (all correct), then switch over to characterizing an entire server and saying HoD are all quitters. Very classy and completely contradictory to the point you were making less then a paragraph earlier. Every server has quitters, yours does too and characterizing an entire server based on a win in the past is patently wrong. If HoD crushed SF, I’d bet you would see quite a few less people on the battlefield. Perhaps you shouldn’t be on your high horse as well?

To be fair, we are biased, because when we fought you guys in t7, you guys did kind of quit. Part of that was because you lost your fairweathers from the free transfers that pushed you guys to the top of t7 before we came in. But then yeah, during the matchup threads there were plenty of posts about how HoD was giving up in the tier and stopped fighting, which was clearly indicated by the abysmal scores the last week we fought each other.

There’s still plenty of quality guilds/players on HoD, you just had the unfortunate side effect of being a micro-bandwagon server with that second phase of free transfers. It could have been other things I guess, that’s just what we saw though.

No bias involved here, his point was that statistically, every server has good players (and that SF might even have more, because it has a higher population). He wants to refute the thought that SF is just a zerg server full of bad players who can’t fight. But then goes onto argue that HoD is a server full of quitters, people who will just roll over and that he has almost no respect for us. He ignores his earlier point about all servers having a similar relatively similar base of players, simply differing in amounts because it doesn’t conform to what he wants.

To that note, I’m biased as hell too. I’ve yet to die to SF when they had less then twice the numbers I have with me, but I am able to recognize that my experience and subsequent bias cannot be applied universally to the entire SF server. I think we could have much better discussions if everyone wasn’t continually attempting to villianize or degrade the other servers in some vain attempt to boost their own servers worth.

Cyphel.3659:

Goblin Beet Farmer.3045:

I, for one, am looking forward to being done with HoD…

I can’t put my finger on it, but I am not fond of HoD either. SF was fine. GoM was fine. vs HoD feels so unfun for some reason…Perhaps it is a general malaise

For the record, I don’t have a problem with PAXA….

Actions of individuals reflect on the collective though. If you are representing your server/guild, what you do is what people will associate with that server/guild. It is the impression that is given. External people, by definition, have no insight what goes on within. They judge by the only experience they have access to.

That’s a really terrible way to justify crapping on an entire group of people. People should treat the actions of the individual as an individual. For instance, a Deth member laughed at one of my uplevelled guildmates after he got zerged by about 15+ folks so should I:

Blame Deth for having the player in the guild
Blame the server for having him on the server
Blame the individual for being a butt

There is a right answer to this.

‘External people’ should have the intelligence to recognize that the individual does not equal the group and it saddens me that some apparently do not.

LilMcGinley.3890:

I thought we were to bash PAXA not HoD.. was I removed from the email distribution list that details these changes?? Gotta keep me up to date guys.

PAXA is a part of HoD, it’s just the next logical step to vilify the entire server.

Goblin Beet Farmer.3045:

I, for one, am looking forward to being done with HoD…at least for a few weeks. While I have only been on FC for about a month now I have come to dislike HoD more than any other server I have faced in WvW. I have never faced a server that mistakes their coverage and numbers for skill and superiority so much like HoD does. I have never seen a server run so much from even or fair fights out in the open like HoD does. I have never seen a server go out of there way so much to chase down a smaller force (even 1 to 2 people) like HoD does. I have never seen a server emote so much like HoD does…of course this is normally after they have ran from a fair fight to the safety of guards/tower/etc or after they have ran down a group they outnumbered 4 to 1.

Prior to moving to FC I had been on SoR since the headstart. When ANet announced free transfers to lower population servers several weeks ago HoD was actually my top choice to transfer to. This was based on reading over the forums and the respect HoD was given there by their opponents. I am so glad I didn’t though. I don’t know if the make up of HoD changed because of the free transfers or because of their fall to Tier 8 or if this is how it has always been on there.

Anyway good luck versus your new opponents on Friday HoD, please don’t be in a hurry to return to Tier 8.

Pretty hilarious, because I have the exact same feeling about FC and ET. Never have I seen more players run for the hills verses smaller number of HoD! Never before have I seen so many players emote on underlevels after zerging them to death… but wait… that would mean that this isn’t unique and centralized to servers that is opposed to mine? Oh God! My Immersion!

Wow, you are really bent out of shape over this aren’t you Ungood.

Pod.2769:

I know that the people who post on the forums aren’t always indicative of a servers WvW population but I’m really disappointed in what I am seeing from HoD as of late. In the beginning it was all rainbows and sunshine when you guys were winning. Then things started going south. Que QQ, Que recruiting thread. Why aren’t you guys just bringing out those dominating numbers we all saw in the first two weeks? Not that I am complaining crushing the enemies morale is a valid military tactic. Which may be part of your guys frustration with the obstinate stubbornness when facing hard times you get from FC and ET

Atomicjellybean, I’d watch your words man. HoD is currently in last place this week on the bottom tier. That is the sort of thing that can quite embarrassingly bite you in the romp.

Anyways, I personally believe that HoD will come out of the gates next week swinging and swinging hard. Looking forward to it.

I’m pretty disappointed too, since they have gotten an advantage over HoD this week FC and ET posters have come off as extremely bitter and petty with one ‘win’ under their belts. I mean, one FC member literally saved up as many posts as he could so that he could one day post them and go “AHA”. He’s only the worst, there are multiple posts of people being smug and committing the exact same sin they cry that a few HoD posters committed.

Are you guys still crying about thieves? I just saw a Guardian solo twelve people at once, they are the ones that need to be nerfed.

Detharos.3157:

Yo Henge of Denravi! We of Ferguson’s Crossing and Eredon Terrace still waiting on that domination you promised us.

Where is it? Oh what, did you forget all that crap talk? Well I remember.

Here, let’s refresh your memory with some forum screenshots.

This is just sad dude. jeez.

Guardians are so overpowered! I can’t believe that this class has gone unnerfed for so long! Multiple heals, insane damage absorption through multiple blocks and condition removal for days, a Guardian can grind out the win against multiple opponents with ease, not to mention their ability to help the group. When they down an opponent, bam, stability stomp (sooooooo OP), an ability that renders my downed skills useless. This class can literally solo any other class if you play it correctly and quite frankly I think it needs a nerf badly.
Now, I know people are going to come in here and make fun of me for it, but I’ve got an 80 Guardian too so my opinion is just as correct as theirs (maybe even more correct since mine is negative) and anyone actually defending the Guardian? Just OP Guardians wanting to stay OP, which makes sense, I suppose if I mainly played the most OP class in the game I’d want it to stay that way too.

Holy generalizations, T7 has plenty of massive battles, it’s not some barren wasteland with only small groups of players puttering around. We have had queues almost every night for EB, often we have them for one or two BL as well.

Not working for me either.

Celeras.4980:

http://i.imgur.com/jEVNz.jpg

Not QQing, just thought it was pretty funny as I tried to assess what the hell just happened to me. Got jumped mid-fight with someone else.

I hope people see this with the humorous eyes I intend, and don’t jump into arguments

Lol, that’s pretty funny. But it’s an unfortunate fantasy to think that the complainers won’t leap on this chance to complain (more).

Just ignore Columba, he almost literally does nothing except complain about thieves in WvW in any thread even remotely related to thieves or wvw.

On topic: The best I’ve found for PvEin’ is S/P, the sword auto attack is very good and the S/P when hasted in PvE can wipe out small groups of adds fairly easily. I’ve found that any condition builds are too weak if you add anyone else doing them and burst builds are… well just not useful as has been mentioned in previous posts.

Casey.9687:

kenshinakh.3672:

Waits for some sort of nerf.

First off, all the people saying thieves are OP and needs nerfing, have you guys played in SPvP where things are actually equal and there’s no culling issue? People have been repeating it over and over about thieves not being an issue in real PvP situations. All the complaint is in WvW as far as I can tell. Now, what’s a more accurate way for Anet to balance around? WvW, where many weak players are often at? Or from SPvP where more competitive PvP players are at?

That’s a something for you guys asking for an overhaul on thieves to think about.

Theres so much more to factor in when doing WvW then spvp…..in WvW you got to factor in food buffs and people can tweak their stats so much more differently in pve/wvw then in spvp. Like if i made a trapper ranger in spvp it will never be good as my trapper in WvW because of how much ive tweak his stats to make them have the perfect toughness, power, precision, vitality, and condition damage….you cant get that out of amulets. So stop comparing spvp to WvW pvp.

sPvP/tPvP is what all of the PvP in GW2 is balanced around, the fact that there are more variables involved within WvW doesn’t mean that there isn’t a legitimate point of comparison between the two.

swilkers.5938:

Aratoa.7398:

Well, this is the most blatant troll thread yet.

Really? Take it how you will. It’s the truth.

No, it’s not. What you describe is not possible. You should have tried something more plausible like level 50 or so, you know, when you actually have stuff unlocked and usable.