Guild Wars 2

Zephyra.4709:

By Ogden’s Hammer, WHAT SAVINGS!

I am no expert on how the economy works, but this seems like a pretty bad deal to me.
I do hope this is a mistake.

I am no expert on how the economy works, but this seems like a pretty bad deal to me.
I do hope this is a mistake.

Kiiro Yakumo.2791:

Felahr.9830:

Razzafrazza.7815:

Ah yes, this game gets more and more like WoW erry day…

4 years and this has never happened til now. how is this even remotely like wow? get the kitten outta here with that negativity

I second that, if one unexpected maintenance in over 1,5 years – or as Felahr says even 4 years – is becoming like WoW who has maintenance break every week if memory serves, or at least quite often then I think we can throw whole math to trash can…

Lonewolf McQuade.2153:

wiredrawn.7298:

I’ve suffered tremendous mental anguish over this as I was in mid glide, I humbly ask you remove asuras from the game and mail me some phat lewtz to compensate. Thanks for the update.

Don’t be fooled, ANet. Wiredrawn has always loved Asurans, and even confessed that he’s had a crush on Taimi since the moment he laid eyes on her.

1 like = 1 prayer

Unite him with his true love!

Then Taimi has more adorators now!
Asura is personally the best race for me

ahem

It’s good the game is back again, now we can try to figure out with calm what was the reason of that bug…
I bet Inquest <_<

Dinkleberg…

Swagger.1459:

AysonCurrax.3254:

Voluptus.3509:

I honestly dont get how you manage to cause a bug of such a magnitude…

if (armorAscended == true)
{
delete armor;
};

What could possibly go wrong?
(jk)

List<freelegendaryofchoiceforrollback> legendaryweapon = itemService.fetchItems(ItemTypes.LEGENDARYWEAPON);
legendaryweapon.stream()
.filter(a -> a.getType() == FreeWeaponType.LEGENDARY)
.forEach(a -> playeraffectedbyrollback(a));

or maybe like so?

Fixed it up for you

Looks good right?

no. legendary is a rarity, not a type.
also, no. just… NO.
you butchered it ;_;

Dominik.5162:

AysonCurrax.3254:

Voluptus.3509:

I honestly dont get how you manage to cause a bug of such a magnitude…

if (armorAscended == true)
{
delete armor;
};

What could possibly go wrong?
(jk)

List<Armor> armors = itemService.fetchItems(ItemTypes.ARMOR);
armors.stream()
.filter(a -> a.getType() == ArmorTypes.ASCENDED)
.forEach(a -> itemService.deleteItem(a));

or maybe like so?

I dont expect everyone to know about lists, but alot of people know simple if-else statements even if they don’t know alot about coding

if lists are the limit, throwing in a lambda expression was probably overkill. woops.

Voluptus.3509:

I honestly dont get how you manage to cause a bug of such a magnitude…

if (armorAscended == true)
{
delete armor;
};

What could possibly go wrong?
(jk)

List<Armor> armors = itemService.fetchItems(ItemTypes.ARMOR);
armors.stream()
.filter(a → a.getType() == ArmorTypes.ASCENDED)
.forEach(a → itemService.deleteItem(a));

or maybe like so?

Izithel.6853:

Khisanth.2948:

Entenkommando.5208:

Oh god how much I wish I had insight to your code to realize how it is even possible to randomly create a bug like this.

It usually starts with something that was a great idea when designing something years ago …

If I know anything about MMO’s it’s that their code is usually an undocumented mess with so many inter-dependent systems that getting a change trough without breaking the game is often a minor achievement once the original devs who knew the code have left.

Spaghetti Code. Spaghetti Code everywhere.
Also, Comments and Documentations are totally overrated.
Maybe Debug Hell is also suitable.

Lyp Sao.1375:

Sigiran.4195:

It seems to me that ArenaNet does not test their updates before game updating.
So I’m not surprised that kitten happened. And there is no guarantee that this will not happen again.

You can’t test everything: butterfly effect

be generous

I honestly dont get how you manage to cause a bug of such a magnitude, that it modifies the soulbinding state of random item objects, in any bag but the main one, for a given player.
adding a new item shouldnt do that. Nor should it happen if you didnt do massive changes to the whole item/inventory backend.
bugs can be fairly random, but i surely havent seen anything odd like this before.

then again, while being a software-developer myself, I am basically clueless when it comes to the inner workings of games, let alone mmorpgs.

and yes, you cant cover every single, odd, specific combination with a test.
100% test coverage is hard to pull off.

kitten.4078:

I finally did Victory or Death for the first time today. Sounds like I’ll lose that progress and have to re-do that. Did I pick the wrong day to do that or what?

Never play on Patch Day. Its a golden rule to live by.

Balthazzarr.1349:

AysonCurrax.3254:

Balthazzarr.1349:

oh hey… seriously while you’re at it, since the wvw goodies are account wide now you should also make the gear that we buy from the wvw vendors account bound instead of soulbound. Matter of fact all gear should be account bound. I really don’t understand the purpose of making armor and weapons soulbound.

Well, while you are at it, might as well get rid of the trading post as well, considering it will be rendered mostly useless since you cant sell your account bound goodies on there anymore.

You never could sell account bound stuff on the TP.

I dont think you understood what i said.
if you remove soulbinding you cant sell ANYTHING anymore.
the only items that are account bound on equip are legendaries, everything else is bound once you acquire it. hence, if EVERYTHING is account bound, the trading post is rendered useless.
Maybe this made it a little clearer what i meant.

Balthazzarr.1349:

oh hey… seriously while you’re at it, since the wvw goodies are account wide now you should also make the gear that we buy from the wvw vendors account bound instead of soulbound. Matter of fact all gear should be account bound. I really don’t understand the purpose of making armor and weapons soulbound.

Well, while you are at it, might aswell get rid of the trading post as well, considering it will be rendered mostly useless since you cant sell your account bound goodies on there anymore.

“Gameservers have been suspended temporarily”
Here is hoping the issue will be fixed soon. I still cant wrap my head around how something like this slipped into the live environment, but alas, thats the joy and horror of software-development.
Software-Development is like a box of chocolates. you never know what catches fire first. wait, this has nothing to do with chocolate…

ran into that issue myself since they were missing from the Ingame Wardrobe (probably until purchased), too. and there is no proper way to preview them.
Did a little digging and numberfumbling myself and ended up with finding 2 Chat Codes for the Skins. Might not be the right ones, but atleast it allows you to preview the skins.

[&Cs8aAAA=] – Lord Caudecus’s Pistol
[&CuQaAAA=] – Lord Caudecus’s Sword

Ashen.2907:

The last hope for me to consider buying HoT had been the possibility of added bow and medium armor skins. I am not fond of vertical map design, nor of platforming game elements. I found the Druid to be uninteresting as well. But I am more rhan willing to spend $50 on an expansion filled with desirable new weapon and armor skins for me to hunt. This bow seems likely to be the nail in the coffin for that hope. It looks like no money from me until the next expansion (if then).

but why give your players a chance to earn skins they like ingame, when you could make them gamble for them 1,50~ € a try, to get halfbaked skins they dont want anyways? -anet logic.

The new legendary short bow, Shoehorned-in-Crappystuff

Sartharina.3542:

*12 new legendary weapons and associated collections added to the game.

• Gwen Outfit and some sorta ugly male substitute afterthought added to the gemstore for 700 gems. Subsequent Afterthoughts will be added fortnightly. also Trenchcoats for everyone.

ShinyDay.5349:

Asking for DX12 is pointless.
But at least get us DX 11 to support multithreading of CPU.
It’s CPU heavy game and my i7 4790 won’t ever go above 50% load, but fps keeps dropping in massive events. You might say that DX11 won’t help me with that, but it will. Right now game can only use 50% of my CPU power because it doesn’t support multithreading. If there would be DX11 for this game, it would be able to use 100% of my CPU power, and that would mean less FPS drop in WvW and other huge events.

There were other threads about that, but I just want to remind Anet that players still didin’t forget about that.

DX9 was released in 2002, but I think GW2 is using DX 9c which was released in 2004. I know it takes some time to implement new DX version, but it just makes me sad to see game popular like this still using 12 years old DX version.
As I said, I know that expecting DX12 for GW2 is pointless, since this is pretty new. But at least provide us DX11 for multithreading. It’s 4-6 years old version, so by now it shouldn’t be that hard to use it.

If Anet use that “spy” software hiden inside game to detect system hardware you will see that pretty decent amount of players are using CPU with multithreading (Intel i7 and Xeon), and they would all benefit from DX11 upgrade.

multithreading… i would appreciate it if they could actually use the resources my graphics card provides instead of majorly depending on my cpu…

they already mentioned they won’t add dx11 support. hell, they couldn’t even be bothered with 10, as far as i know. I wouldn’t get my hopes up. :/

If they dont do what you tell them to, just suspend them indefinetly… I mean ground them.

After sylvarious years, I finally got my engineering degree, and i can asurea you, it was charrdly worth the trouble. If you are still norn the wiser, take my word for it and scrap that idea. No human should ever have to go through that.

What do you get when you leave your window open at night in the maguuma jungle with the lights on? More-da…mn-moths

Malediktus.9250:

If they never make world 3 and 4, it will be just another unfinished and half baked project in a long row of unfinished and half baked things in GW2. Would be a real evidence of incapacity.
And I am still waiting for those purple and red tribulation skins (or whatever colors were promised when tribulation mode was introduced) of world 3 and 4

purple and red is correct.

Also, would be nice to have that “Kaiser Snake” the current set is actually based on… cough

Donari.5237:

Reikken likely has the best answer there. I mean, think about it. Yes, SAB seems to be its own contained thing — but you are playing your GW2 character, same looks, movement, etc. So this “stand alone” would need full character creation support, wardrobe, etc.

Better to just start a free character and head into Rata Sum if SAB is all you want to play. At least, during the 19 days of the festival.

As far as i can remember, i never one played SAB because of how my character looks in it.
I have actually considered starting to work on an SAB clone, so maybe i ll get around to doing that. If they dont let us have it, then ill make my own SAB, with blackjack and bookahs.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Malediktus.9250:

Best thing to do if you want more SAB stuff 1) buy the SAB gemstore stuff 2) play as much SAB as you can to make the metrics look good
Then Anet has a reason to dedicate resources for world 3 and 4

Absolutely — I haven’t seen specific evidence that SAB is hugely popular among the majority of players — those who like it seem to love it beyond words. That might be reason enough to spin off a development team dedicated to stand-alone minigames that plug into GW2, but it might not be enough for ANet to decide to focus on SAB instead of any of the 1000s of other things the community wants (including new legendary weapons, which also recently got postponed “indefinitely”).

tl;dr devs can’t do everything we want — if you want them to focus more attention on SAB, put your money and time where your mouth is.

then i will make my own SAB, with blackjack and bookahs.

April fools has been suspended indefinetly.

Harddrive.2738:

They claim the journey is the hard part. Which is ironic because they don’t actually develop new content for that, just place triggers in already created content.

I’m wondering where the 6 months went, give 1 person half a week and they could probably sketch out a event paths for ALL the legendary weapons. Add 5 more people and I don’t think its that hard to think it could be fully implemented within 1-2 months. Add animation developments and troubleshooting and reviews, and 6 months seems very plausible for all the weapons, or at least the core ones (know one cares about water weapons).

If they really only have one weapon to add after 6 months, they should fire that team. More like they probably did and are now moving the replacements to other area’s.

That said, their whole argument is fundamentally incoherent. They want to make it hard but because its hard they don’t have time to do it. If the current ones are any indicator they are for the most part flavorless anyway. Make a flask to hold electric charges, 90% of the events have no relation to electricity.

Or, I dont know… bring back the weapon design contest from gw1 … but having your community design the stuff they love to have ingame… for free even, maybe… oh no, we cant do that, that would be too much work. according to the TOS atleast. gg anet.

Collection<Legendary> chukaAndChampawat = new LinkedList<Legendary>();

see? it’s not that hard.

Is Moto actually an Anet employee? Seeing how it took him 3 years to fix a few bugs and add not much new. cough

Sorry, but i just had to, given what’s currently going on outside the box.

Still, I am happy it finally returned. Time to Dust off my Infinite Continue Coin.

Spira.4578:

Ranael.6423:

Not really. What it comes to is:
Did we pay for the services that they were promoting? yes
Did they deliver the services they were promoting? no.
There’s no excuse and no explanation that would change this fact.

Whether its a physical product or a service, as a provider, you set standards that people expect you to live up to. if you dont, they have the right to call you out for it.

the term Service Level Agreement comes to mind, for instance.

Chuo.4238:

Mike O Brien.4613:

Hi all,

As game director I have to make tough trade-offs. One thing I believe is that we have to focus on the core game first before taking on additional responsibilities. I wrote in the Guild Wars 2 Design Manifesto in 2010 that our vision was to create a living, dynamic world, where there’s always something to do. Let’s ensure we succeed on that front.

Mo

Ain’t gonna lie, I’m a bit shocked to see you bring this up. I sorta thought the Manifesto got beaten completely to death in the first year after release.

But hey, we can go there again. For reference:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/guild-wars-2-design-manifesto/

Looked over it. Canthan District k thx bye.

Ticky.5831:

To be honest, though, I do think the Bubble Glider skin is awesome and it’s kind of ridiculous to lynch it for this, as I believe it’s safe to assume it was planned and finished before this decision was made.

Not gonna buy it though, not for a LOOOOOOONG time.

But its all bubbly and full of hot air… Its kind of like when Anet gives you their word for something.

Chuo.4238:

After 3 1/2 years, is anyone really surprised at any of this?

Just asking. ArenaNet have been operating in panic mode since beta.

Everything has always felt rushed,

There’s very little overall attention to detail (except for very specific things you can tell a specific dev put some specific love into, all by her/himself),

Every fix breaks something else, and every content delivery is (somehow) just not what we were led to believe was coming.

All I can say is enjoy the game as you can, or don’t and do something else. High expectations from ArenaNet have only led to disappointment for a long time now. They’re obviously perpetually flailing.

More like, every content delivery is not functioning as intended and basically unplayable for a good 30 to 50% of the time it is available in game. Looking at you, Marionettes and Teleporters in “The Battle for Lions Arch”

Just a flesh wound.3589:

One thing I’ve been wondering. While I’m sure they had a lawyer look over the announcement beforehand, did they not have a meeting and discuss it? Did no one at that meeting point out the negatives? Those being, people considering this unethical if not illegal and the future effect on selling the next expansion if people feel that ANet sells a product with a printed description of its contents and then doesn’t honor the description.

I know some people will say, it’s only for a while. It’s not cancelled, it’s suspended. But when will this company get back to it?
1) before the next expansion. I don’t think so. They’ll be too busy.
2) right after the next expansion. I doubt it. The Devs will have bug fixes and new projects from the new expansion they’ll working on. I don’t see them pulling Devs off of projects to restart the Legendary crafting that’s been sitting for X months.
3) months after the next expansion? Won’t they be in the same situation as they are now? Devs needed for Living World/next expansion and on top of that the precursor crafting will be that much older with all momentum gone.

So when? When are they going to restart? And how many months or years before “eventually” can be considered “cancelled.”

Ask, and i shall deliver.

http://s21.postimg.org/arl77zwsn/anet_meeting.png

Celtic Lady.3729:

minbariguy.7504:

In retrospect, knowing now the issues they were having finishing content for this expansion, it suddenly makes a lot more sense why they were in such a hurry to get people to buy it before they had to admit how little was in it.

I did think that they rather exaggerated some aspects of their content before release. For instance, I didn’t find the maps to be quite what it sounded like it was going to be. Four maps, all three levels. In reality, the only map that felt truly three levels to me was VB. And even then, the canopy level was minimal because it was mostly air and empty space. Most of the maps, at best, feel like two levels to me or maybe more like one and a half levels.

Anyway, HoT always felt like a very small expansion or a large content update to me. I figure the next expansion will be similar in size or smaller since they won’t have all the “systems” to add that they added with HoT since they’re already implemented.

given how the story arc has 4 short chapters of about 3 missions each, it basically sums up to 4 packaged LS 2.5 episodes. with a 50/75/100 $ price tag. VB is the only map close to having multiple levels. The others, while having considerable size in verticality, do not have anything close to that. AB is some canopy with mostly ground level. no underground level whatsoever. 80% of TD is underground, small bits of ground level and no canopy whatsoever. DS is also ground level with small pieces of underground.

talk big, deliver nothing remotely close to that.

http://s16.postimg.org/y772f9ytx/halfpac_mo.jpg

BloodyNine.7504:

No one really knows exactly what. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a lot of those things you listed. I also would not be surprised if none of them show up.

Isn’t this supposed to be a balance update as well? Since they are doing those quarterly.

No balance update mid pvp season, atleast thats what they said. Their word isnt really something of much value anymore since recent days.

if they do, however stick with that, and there is a balance patch included in the april update, it could be the 19th at best, since thats the first tuesday after the season ends.

EphemeralWallaby.7643:

Razor.9872:

This thread is going in circles.

GW2 has taught me to avoid circles.

When mouths are open, ears tend to shut.

On a side note, according to the Dev Tracker none of the devs have talked today in the forums. Whether or not they’re waiting for the fires to die down, or their having some proactive meetings is anyone’s guess.

~EW

Tuesday is waffle/toast day, thats probably why.

Indefinetly Suspended Legend.

too soon?

okay i will see myself out then…

http://s16.postimg.org/y772f9ytx/halfpac_mo.jpg

Donari.5237:

Have we actually gotten this far into Tuesday without any more red comments in this thread or the other threads on the subject? Ok, it’s just after lunch at ANet, but I really had thought we’d hear something by now. The player comments have settled into their main camps, the leit motifs are set, at least one poster has been summarizing the main lines of discourse … we’re going into circles now waiting for some acknowledgment of the concerns.

Maybe there’s a big blog coming later this week that will tell us about the April patch etc so they’re waiting for that, but if so, now is the time to say “we are preparing a blog that will give more information.” Or whatever they’re doing/planning, it would be nice to know they are in fact doing/planning something.

I normally sit back and wait to see what comes, and certainly I don’t tend to ask for dev responses. Yet in this particular situation, dev silence seems particularly unwise.

They are probably busy eating toast or waffles or whatever, since that is their usual tuesday task, apparently. Other than that, they might be pondering whether or not they should duck and cover some more, or if “it’s just a prank, bro.” would help solve this issue.

On a more serious note. If i didnt have anything to say that would in any way mend this current situation, I would probably stay quiet too, if i was them. Saying the wrong thing now would just pour more oil into the fire. Not saying no response at all is good either, though.

Ashen.2907:

evilunderling.9265:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

To sum up: they advertised A, they did not provide A, and say they refuse to provide A. Therefore they falsely advertised about A.

Wrong. They did not advertise A, and no reasonable person could argue that they did.

There is a difference between someone selling a box of chocolates that’s half-empty and someone offering to, say, make you a chair and then coming back a while later to apologise and explain that their lathe is broken and they can’t make you a chair right now.

This is the latter, and there is nothing in their advertising that any sane person could argue contradicts that.

Except that their tools are not broken, they are just choosing to use them on something else.

right now, anet is that one odd kid that always eats the glue.

Spira.4578:

Finalfreefall.8247:

Well yeah, the faster we beat the dragons the faster we get Guild wars 3.

They said there won’t be a gw3.
Oh.. Wait…
They said many things, didn’t they.

if they keep up their current pace, there most definetly wont be a gw3, thats for sure.

Asumita.2174:

Spira.4578:

nicknamenick.2437:

Finally! Now go fix the game!. I totally agree here with Anet.
They already wasted too much time on this legendary crafting stuff.. While we really dont need it at this moment while yhe rest of the game is dying.

If the game is dying maybe they shouldn’t have 70 devs working on the next expansion

It’s like building a second floor to a house where the pillars of the first floor is termite ridden. Gotta fix that first floor.

Or, as seen here, try to build the second floor anyways, assure your customer that it will all be a-okay, and then subsequently set the whole house on fire by accident.

nicknamenick.2437:

Finally! Now go fix the game!. I totally agree here with Anet.
They already wasted too much time on this legendary crafting stuff.. While we really dont need it at this moment while yhe rest of the game is dying.

Dont blame the project. blame the one who failed to manage it properly.

ekarat.1085:

I am disappointed by this announcement, but I see a lot of things that need work and don’t see how Anet can do it all at once.

The legendary collections were my favorite part of HoT. Please consider resuming work on them once you finish the third wing of the raid, or Living Story season 3, or fix WvW, or revise fractals, or… Yeah, there’s a lot to do, but please consider resuming work on them at a later date.

No one asks them to do all at once. But they contradict themselves when they say that work on an expansion should and will never affect live. Yet it does exactly that. Instead of working on the features that were promised in the context of the current live content, they instead suspend work and relocate work force, while continuing to work on the next payed content, without reducing the workforce of that content.

I dont care if it takes longer for the next expansion to come out if it means that they fix the current mess and deliver what they sold. because if they dont do that, no one is going to buy that expansion anyways. People wont get burned twice.

Razor.9872:

Asumita.2174:

It’s sad that people think SAB will save this game. At the point people want SAB, their mind is already shifting to: “I want to play a different game”

Boy, this legendary thing really caught on fire eh?
Or was this intentional…

I feel like there is always something. In my personal opinion, I feel the community is very emotional right now (actually, not just right now). I just sorta gaze past the negativity.

I trust that sooner or later A-net will finally get when they need to do. I don’t believe in “too late.” So I will be sticking around until that happens.

I suppose I will see you in 2020 then when Kanye West goes to office after Trump lost the election of that year. good times.

Ragnarox.9601:

AysonCurrax.3254:

Rococo.8347:

I think he should get a new nickname, ive liked a lot that are being thrown around but im thinking:

Halfpac Mo ( a homage to Tupac Shakur)

SAB will NOT save this kitten at this point, so I hope they have more up their sleeves for April.

Given the lack of response in this thread, how about Slow MO ?

or like that last legendary staff : Never-MO-re

They will add one more legendary weapon. Never More.

Rococo.8347:

I think he should get a new nickname, ive liked a lot that are being thrown around but im thinking:

Halfpac Mo ( a homage to Tupac Shakur)

SAB will NOT save this kitten at this point, so I hope they have more up their sleeves for April.

Given the lack of response in this thread, how about Slow MO ?

BrotherBelial.3094:

AysonCurrax.3254:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Spira.4578:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Spira.4578:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Spira.4578:

BrotherBelial.3094:

swansea.2453:

Spira.4578:

Dantert.1803:

Guys, I understand that you are all really upset…
I still think that what some of us fail to understand is that this is how game industry works… I explain myself… you should not buy a game because the devs promised to add more content after the release that will compensate what the game is lacking from the start, that is your fault, I’m sorry, but it is true. You can’t trust a company that far because kitten-ups happen and things change and maybe something that they really want to ship never comes to life because they can’t find a way to do it or they need too much time. It was their fault to make some of us continue to think that the ideas, that what was planned was definitive and that it was a promise, to never iterate on the issue saying that they are trying but they can’t be sure themselves to deliver, because that is how making a game works. There’s no magic wand that will make the game interesting and fun, it is a process of trying out, and some times you find that is much better to put something on hold instead of sacrificing the results. Would you prefer the Legendaries to come out half finished? Or broken? OMG anet is shipping half the work done again! That’s what you would read again on the forums.
That in my opinion is what MO is trying to do, he figured out that is not going in the right direction and instead of fake it and make people think that they are doing it, instead of shipping half backed content, he is telling us that they are placing the Legendaries on hold, it does not mean that they will never come, in the future I’m sure that they will return on them but for now they are focusing on something that have better chances to be delivered in a short time and in good state.
Still, even if things are not great recently, I look around and couldn’t find any MMO that keeps me engaged as Gw2, and I’m sure that this is the same for a ot of other people, and that is why we get so upset and feel betrayed but instead of leaving and migrate to another game we are still here complaining.

Expecting MO to say that the Hot release was a bad choice that it was a mess is not something that will ever happen! Just because, if he is still running the company it means he believes that even if things didn’t go as planned it is still a project worth the time. If MO says something like that, then you can be sure that GW2 has no future.

MO is trying to change things, obviously he is trying to do it for the better, not everyone agrees but none of us knows what is happening internally at Anet, what was the extension of the problem.
If things will be really better only time knows.
I will keep playing and if I finish every thing I like in this game, get too kittened off about some release or find something better, I will stop playing the game! If Anet doesn’t deliver any good content the next expansion isn’t worth that name I will not pay for anything else.

It seems you fail to understand how business works.
Customer pays. Provider delivers.
It’s not Customer pays. Prodiver delivers partialy and changes the deal on it’s own without consulting the customer.
It litereally doesn’t matter what the story behind the curtains is. From the customers point the only thing that we should ask is:
Did we get everything that we paid for?
And the answer to it is: no.
It literally doesn’t matter WHY – at least not to us. Same as they don’t care how we got the money to pay for their game we shouldn’t care how they are working on the promoted features.
Don’t sympatize with your seller, because as soon as you do, the seller will use your kindness – which is exactly what was and still is happening with this game.

Exactly for the life of me, I cannot understand people sympathizing with Anet on this one and saying it is ok. This effects everyone that bought the expansion. What if next O’Brien says “we are suspending work on new fractals indefinitely”, will this be OK? What if he said “We are not bringing out Legendary armor as only a small percentage of the player base will actually get the gear” is this ok too?

These features where promised with HoT if he can just drop Legendary weapons he can other features too. Wake up people, as a consumer you should get what you pay for!

Nothing you have listed was promised with HoT. They said it would cone after launch. No time frame was given. They only thing they have really gone back on as far as the legendary weapons are concerned is the regular intervals. We knew they would not be included with HoT at launch. Same for raids and legendary armor. Bit ANet told us we needed HoT to be able to get them. So really people got HoT so they could do and get these things later, not as soon as HoT dropped. When I buy something I know I’m buying what’s in front of me. Not what is to be added later on. Would the addition of things sway people to buy HoT, of course it would, ANet knew that, that’s why they talked about these features. Features that where not included with HoT at launch, because they knew HoT didn’t offer much at launch compared to other expansions from other MMO’s or even the campaigns from GW1.

So they focuses on the things coming after, which was wrong, it did make it look like they where a part of HoT, but in reality they where not. That is why I’ve always said HoT is not an expansion, it’s a DLC season pass. The things ANet bigged up where to be added later. I’m not defending ANet, and I have no sympathy, ANet messed up by making a big deal out of things that where not finished or anywhere near being ready. Now this storm is of there own making. But at the same time people who got HoT got it knowing that legendary weapons where not included at launch, and where not all ready. That was there mistake, believing they where buying something that was not there to start with.

You wouldn’t buy a car, and the guy show you one and say, this care is great it can do allsorts of things. You can buy it right now, but the wheels will not be ready for awhile, and we don’t have a time frame. Would you buy that car?

“we will be releasing new legendary weapons in small groups at regular intervals until the full set of sixteen has been added to the game”
1 month after release: 3 weapons
4 months after the 1st release: 1 weapon
indefinitelly stopped: 0 weapons.

Not even Einstein could come up with a theory to make a 1:4:never interval a regular one as well as make 1 weapon and 0 weapons “small groups” – a group consists of at least 2.
At the same time, there were other features like Fractal Leaderbords, Guild Anthem, masteries like Bark cutting and downward gliding, which also didn’t see the light of day.
Please don’t defend them.
Did we pay a full expansion? yes
Did we get all of the features? no.
End. of.story.

You didn’t even read my post, or you didn’t understand what you read.

I did. but even if you think you are not defending them, you are doing just that. And you literally don’t have to.
Once again – the only thing you need to know as a customer is if you got what you paid for – and the answer is NO.
It doesn’t matter how you look at it. Either including the missing features or the actual expansion.
The features weren’t that many to begin with, but most of us dealt with this fact.
Now, reducing the features even further “so they can work on the core game” – while they
1.) Had the money from the core game sale when we first bought it to use on fixing the core game but apparently rather used it on something else.
2.) HAVE 70 devs working on a new expac while they feel that is essential to cut off 6 developers working on one of the features that we already bought
3.) are telling people that they are unfair for thinking that what we got is an unfinished product (while it actually is unfinished)

didn’t really help calming down the crowd. don’t you think?
There’s is NO explanation that would make it okay for them to cancel something that they were selling for 5 months.

Wow, just wow.

As a customer I knew what I was paying for. I made sure I did. And I payed what I thought it was worth, (£28 four days before launch from Amazon).
I knew when I payed for HoT legendary weapons where not included and would come later, so how can I pay for something that’s no there in the first place?

As I said the only thing that have gone back on the the regular intervals. With out knowing intent we can not say that ANet intent to never give us the rest as they said they would. You are acting as if ANet have out right said we are never having them.

But hay you keep believing you where lied to. Or next time you buy something make sure you know the difference between what is included when you buy it, and what will come later.

Yea, did you also not pay for the fractal leaderboards that were canceled?
Or for the guild anthem that was heavily talked about in one of their blog posts?
Or how about the masteries like bark cutting?
It’s not just the legendary crafting that got scrapped.
That’s the problem. And yes, it’s true that you didn’t pay for the legendary weapons @HoT release, however, you did pay for legendary weapons that you would get in small GROUPS in REGULAR intervals.
Group consists of at least 2. We’re getting 1 bow.
1 month after HoT, 4 months after the first release, indifinitelly suspended is NOT in any possible way, regardless how you look at it, a REGULAR interval. So you actually aren’t getting what you paid for.

kitten me, I said they have gone back on the regular intervals. By your reasoning, when I got GW2 all them years ago, I payed for everything that came out before HoT, so there for, if I was not around to LW2, I should still be able to get it for free. I payed for the core game, why do I have to pay again for content added after?

As I said, they should not have biged up content that was not included, ready or even started when they there trying to get everyone to buy HoT. Why? Because people then believed that they where paying for theses things. Yes other things have been cancelled. But then they where things that again probably didn’t work in the first place, or where too grand to work. Yet there was no kitten storm about it.

At the end of the day it’s quite simple. I understood what I was getting when I got HoT. I didn’t fall in to the hype of new things that where not even there or ready, started or anything else. HoT is a DLC season pass. The sooner people accept it and ANet admit to it the better we will all be.

Is it wrong, what’s happening with legendary weapons? Yes, yes it is. They made it sound like we where paying for them when we in fact did not. Should people be upset by it yes, again ANet hyped up something that was not part of the initial launch of HoT. But at the same time people should read things as they are. Not what they think they are. Everyone pulls out the same line but never reads it other than the regular intervals. They where to be added later. Later never a part of HoT to begin with.

but if a season pass tells you that you will get 5 updates with 5 hours of gameplay each, you get 5 updates with 5 hours of gameplay each, not 4, not 3. 5.

That is true, but at the same time, the season is not over. Now if the legendary weapons are not available by the time the next expansion hits, then we can say, you didn’t deliver. Currently as it stands they are not delivering as fast as they said they would, and telling us not to expect the rest any time soon.

The have not cancelled them. We all know of times where things have been suspended indefinitely and what that actually meant was cancelled. But ANet know if they say cancelled then we have them over a barrel. But until they roll out the new expansion they have time. But then “to be added” is not a given time frame. This whole thing is a mess.

I suppose all they need to do to fix their ad page is to add the word “Schrödinger” infront of “Legendary Weapons”.

we may get them in regular intervals, or we may not. Indefinete Possibilities.

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Meh, it’s disappointing news. But I still hope this is just a tasteless April Fool’s joke.

In all honestly, if they feel the need to make such a distasteful joke, they deserve the new hole their community is currently ripping them, and much more than that.

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Dantert.1803:

Guys, I understand that you are all really upset…
I still think that what some of us fail to understand is that this is how game industry works… I explain myself… you should not buy a game because the devs promised to add more content after the release that will compensate what the game is lacking from the start, that is your fault, I’m sorry, but it is true. You can’t trust a company that far because kitten-ups happen and things change and maybe something that they really want to ship never comes to life because they can’t find a way to do it or they need too much time. It was their fault to make some of us continue to think that the ideas, that what was planned was definitive and that it was a promise, to never iterate on the issue saying that they are trying but they can’t be sure themselves to deliver, because that is how making a game works. There’s no magic wand that will make the game interesting and fun, it is a process of trying out, and some times you find that is much better to put something on hold instead of sacrificing the results. Would you prefer the Legendaries to come out half finished? Or broken? OMG anet is shipping half the work done again! That’s what you would read again on the forums.
That in my opinion is what MO is trying to do, he figured out that is not going in the right direction and instead of fake it and make people think that they are doing it, instead of shipping half backed content, he is telling us that they are placing the Legendaries on hold, it does not mean that they will never come, in the future I’m sure that they will return on them but for now they are focusing on something that have better chances to be delivered in a short time and in good state.
Still, even if things are not great recently, I look around and couldn’t find any MMO that keeps me engaged as Gw2, and I’m sure that this is the same for a ot of other people, and that is why we get so upset and feel betrayed but instead of leaving and migrate to another game we are still here complaining.

Expecting MO to say that the Hot release was a bad choice that it was a mess is not something that will ever happen! Just because, if he is still running the company it means he believes that even if things didn’t go as planned it is still a project worth the time. If MO says something like that, then you can be sure that GW2 has no future.

MO is trying to change things, obviously he is trying to do it for the better, not everyone agrees but none of us knows what is happening internally at Anet, what was the extension of the problem.
If things will be really better only time knows.
I will keep playing and if I finish every thing I like in this game, get too kittened off about some release or find something better, I will stop playing the game! If Anet doesn’t deliver any good content the next expansion isn’t worth that name I will not pay for anything else.

It seems you fail to understand how business works.
Customer pays. Provider delivers.
It’s not Customer pays. Prodiver delivers partialy and changes the deal on it’s own without consulting the customer.
It litereally doesn’t matter what the story behind the curtains is. From the customers point the only thing that we should ask is:
Did we get everything that we paid for?
And the answer to it is: no.
It literally doesn’t matter WHY – at least not to us. Same as they don’t care how we got the money to pay for their game we shouldn’t care how they are working on the promoted features.
Don’t sympatize with your seller, because as soon as you do, the seller will use your kindness – which is exactly what was and still is happening with this game.

Exactly for the life of me, I cannot understand people sympathizing with Anet on this one and saying it is ok. This effects everyone that bought the expansion. What if next O’Brien says “we are suspending work on new fractals indefinitely”, will this be OK? What if he said “We are not bringing out Legendary armor as only a small percentage of the player base will actually get the gear” is this ok too?

These features where promised with HoT if he can just drop Legendary weapons he can other features too. Wake up people, as a consumer you should get what you pay for!

Nothing you have listed was promised with HoT. They said it would cone after launch. No time frame was given. They only thing they have really gone back on as far as the legendary weapons are concerned is the regular intervals. We knew they would not be included with HoT at launch. Same for raids and legendary armor. Bit ANet told us we needed HoT to be able to get them. So really people got HoT so they could do and get these things later, not as soon as HoT dropped. When I buy something I know I’m buying what’s in front of me. Not what is to be added later on. Would the addition of things sway people to buy HoT, of course it would, ANet knew that, that’s why they talked about these features. Features that where not included with HoT at launch, because they knew HoT didn’t offer much at launch compared to other expansions from other MMO’s or even the campaigns from GW1.

So they focuses on the things coming after, which was wrong, it did make it look like they where a part of HoT, but in reality they where not. That is why I’ve always said HoT is not an expansion, it’s a DLC season pass. The things ANet bigged up where to be added later. I’m not defending ANet, and I have no sympathy, ANet messed up by making a big deal out of things that where not finished or anywhere near being ready. Now this storm is of there own making. But at the same time people who got HoT got it knowing that legendary weapons where not included at launch, and where not all ready. That was there mistake, believing they where buying something that was not there to start with.

You wouldn’t buy a car, and the guy show you one and say, this care is great it can do allsorts of things. You can buy it right now, but the wheels will not be ready for awhile, and we don’t have a time frame. Would you buy that car?

“we will be releasing new legendary weapons in small groups at regular intervals until the full set of sixteen has been added to the game”
1 month after release: 3 weapons
4 months after the 1st release: 1 weapon
indefinitelly stopped: 0 weapons.

Not even Einstein could come up with a theory to make a 1:4:never interval a regular one as well as make 1 weapon and 0 weapons “small groups” – a group consists of at least 2.
At the same time, there were other features like Fractal Leaderbords, Guild Anthem, masteries like Bark cutting and downward gliding, which also didn’t see the light of day.
Please don’t defend them.
Did we pay a full expansion? yes
Did we get all of the features? no.
End. of.story.

You didn’t even read my post, or you didn’t understand what you read.

I did. but even if you think you are not defending them, you are doing just that. And you literally don’t have to.
Once again – the only thing you need to know as a customer is if you got what you paid for – and the answer is NO.
It doesn’t matter how you look at it. Either including the missing features or the actual expansion.
The features weren’t that many to begin with, but most of us dealt with this fact.
Now, reducing the features even further “so they can work on the core game” – while they
1.) Had the money from the core game sale when we first bought it to use on fixing the core game but apparently rather used it on something else.
2.) HAVE 70 devs working on a new expac while they feel that is essential to cut off 6 developers working on one of the features that we already bought
3.) are telling people that they are unfair for thinking that what we got is an unfinished product (while it actually is unfinished)

didn’t really help calming down the crowd. don’t you think?
There’s is NO explanation that would make it okay for them to cancel something that they were selling for 5 months.

Wow, just wow.

As a customer I knew what I was paying for. I made sure I did. And I payed what I thought it was worth, (£28 four days before launch from Amazon).
I knew when I payed for HoT legendary weapons where not included and would come later, so how can I pay for something that’s no there in the first place?

As I said the only thing that have gone back on the the regular intervals. With out knowing intent we can not say that ANet intent to never give us the rest as they said they would. You are acting as if ANet have out right said we are never having them.

But hay you keep believing you where lied to. Or next time you buy something make sure you know the difference between what is included when you buy it, and what will come later.

Yea, did you also not pay for the fractal leaderboards that were canceled?
Or for the guild anthem that was heavily talked about in one of their blog posts?
Or how about the masteries like bark cutting?
It’s not just the legendary crafting that got scrapped.
That’s the problem. And yes, it’s true that you didn’t pay for the legendary weapons @HoT release, however, you did pay for legendary weapons that you would get in small GROUPS in REGULAR intervals.
Group consists of at least 2. We’re getting 1 bow.
1 month after HoT, 4 months after the first release, indifinitelly suspended is NOT in any possible way, regardless how you look at it, a REGULAR interval. So you actually aren’t getting what you paid for.

kitten me, I said they have gone back on the regular intervals. By your reasoning, when I got GW2 all them years ago, I payed for everything that came out before HoT, so there for, if I was not around to LW2, I should still be able to get it for free. I payed for the core game, why do I have to pay again for content added after?

As I said, they should not have biged up content that was not included, ready or even started when they there trying to get everyone to buy HoT. Why? Because people then believed that they where paying for theses things. Yes other things have been cancelled. But then they where things that again probably didn’t work in the first place, or where too grand to work. Yet there was no kitten storm about it.

At the end of the day it’s quite simple. I understood what I was getting when I got HoT. I didn’t fall in to the hype of new things that where not even there or ready, started or anything else. HoT is a DLC season pass. The sooner people accept it and ANet admit to it the better we will all be.

Is it wrong, what’s happening with legendary weapons? Yes, yes it is. They made it sound like we where paying for them when we in fact did not. Should people be upset by it yes, again ANet hyped up something that was not part of the initial launch of HoT. But at the same time people should read things as they are. Not what they think they are. Everyone pulls out the same line but never reads it other than the regular intervals. They where to be added later. Later never a part of HoT to begin with.

but if a season pass tells you that you will get 5 updates with 5 hours of gameplay each, you get 5 updates with 5 hours of gameplay each, not 4, not 3. 5.