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I crafted my ascended light armor when I had ~400 gold, the highest I have ever had. I made all the time-gated stuff myself, I never bought any Damask bolts. I had to frequently buy silk scraps and some other materials but other than that I used what I had in my bank. I don’t think I farmed anything.
When I was finished I had about ~130 gold left, but I gained some gold throughout the process since I was doing other stuff like running a dungeon one day and silverwastes another. But I never grinded them.
Armor – Crafted
Weapons – Tequatl & Reaper Collection (Dark Harvest)
Trinkets – Laurels, Badges, Guild Commendations & Fractals
Backpiece – Mawdrey
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no! however that still have the potential to create elitism for example guilds forcing people to post their best dps!
Sure. But would you join such a guild? I wouldn’t. It’s like those guilds that requires 100% representation, just kitten off. But with a personal DPS meter we could gain a lot of info, showing for instance that zerk meta is in fact not be-all end-all. That class X vs class Y is in fact not as bad even though the theoretical DPS shows it is.
Arena net please don’t add a damage meter, this will only create elitism! I really don’t want this game to turn into wow!
Let me give you an example, in world of Warcraft there are raids, and in every raid there are will be failiure the first try! After each failure people start whining and blame each other, and in the end the raid lead is forced by everyone to boot the lowest dps, lowest heal. In all honesty 1 wipe is ok and just to boot people for 1 failure is just stupid I don’t want this game to turn into wow thank you!
Guild War 2 have the best community and the friendliest players I don’t want that to change. In all honesty I don’t mind carrying a bad player no matter how difficult the content is thank you!
Would you be against a personal damage meter that only you can see?
oh my kittening god! who cares! join a group, do damage, and dont die! you guys are over thinking this by such a huge margin its incredible. its a game. relax.
Yes, join a group and then get kicked because people have decided that your class sucks.
But that was actually wrong. In one example Revenant had 25k theoretical DPS and Necro had 14k. But when you actually tested it in-game it showed that Revenant’s real DPS was 10k while the Necro’s was 12k.
This is an anecdote. That’s like saying, “My 6 year old is left handed, and he’s 4 feet tall. I’m right handed and I’m just under 6 feet tall. Therefore left handed people must be short”
It depends on the encounter and the mechanics behind the encounter. You can’t just say that, well, the theoretical DPS is 20k therefore in reality it is probably 10-15k. That’s wrong because there are so many variables in a fight. Some fights zerk power melee have a higher DPS and other fights they have low DPS. The same is true for other builds, that is my point.
So even if build X have a theoretical higher DPS than build Y it doesn’t mean that build X deal more damage in the game. Because the theoretical DPS does not take into account all the mechanics of the game, and it assumes a lot of things such as all buffs, 100% DPS uptime e.t.c.
Theoretical math is good for its intended purpose. If one class has a max dps of 20k and one has a max dps of 10k, then even in terrible situations it is highly likely that the 20k class will be doing more damage than the 10k class.
But that was actually wrong. In one example Revenant had 25k theoretical DPS and Necro had 14k. But when you actually tested it in-game it showed that Revenant’s real DPS was 10k while the Necro’s was 12k.
If discrimination happens because of damage meters, then at the very least it is empirical. You’d rather the current situation, where random players discriminate based on someone else’s theory? Where you have no tools to demonstrate your ability, so anything anyone says in-game cannot be disproven with cold, hard gameplay?
I would like to have personal DPS meters. The only one who could see it would be me and I shouldn’t be able to see others DPS meter. That way you could still gauge yourself and do accurate tests but you wouldn’t be able to discriminate in groups.
Because even if the DPS meter is accurate, it still doesn’t show the whole story in a dungeon. What I mean by that is, if I get attacked in a dungeon while my necro buddy isn’t, chances are he will have a higher DPS uptime. Some builds/classes have different DPS depending on how long the combat takes, if I am allowed to use 2 Lich Forms my DPS will be inflated. If we are spread out and the mesmer doesn’t hit me with time warp, my DPS will be lower than theirs. So just because I would have low DPS in dungeon group X, I may have the highest DPS in dungeon group Y. That’s why I don’t want to see “leaderboard DPS” in groups. Because people WILL discriminate with it.
But personal DPS meter, yes please.
So someone just said that spreadsheet DPS always uses the max value of an attack, that is to say if your weapon deals 1-10 damage they use 10 in their calculations, always. Is this true? Can someone confirm this.
EDIT: I’m referring to this post:
I think problems ensue because people are almost absolutly uninformed about how DPS is calculated by dnt.Dmg is normaly calculated like this:
DMG=weapon dmg*power*skill coefficient/2600(heavy armor).
If you go in game and start autoattacking you will see you are not getting same number every time,even crits have difrent values.This is because weapon dmg in GW2 has min and max value.
Dnt calculates dmg assuming weapon dmg will always be max for any and all skills used in dmg rotation from which they later calculate DPS.
If you go in game again and start autoattacking sequences of 30 attacks.You will see that no matter how many sequences you make neither of them will have attacks doing max weapon dmg all the time.What you will see tho is most of the time you will be getting 50/50 ,you will be doing AVRAGE WEAPON DMG.Sometimes you can get lucky or very lucky but you cant get absolutly lucky or absolutly unlucky.
When you see DPS on spreadsheet all the values there are calculated using max weapon dmg,all buffs and 100% DPS uptime.Simple truth is that spreadsheet DPS values can NEVER be achieved under any and all circumstances IN GAME,for simple reason of how game engine works.Game engine “forces” avrage weapon dmg.I have nothing against Dnt calculating max theoretical DPS,but I just cant accept that they misslead people by not explicitly saying:“These DPS values cant happen in game”
Nike and other “like minded” people say things like:“we use these values to compare the professions DPS” Again by assuming that max weapon dmg will happen all the time they made it imposible to compare professions based on their DPS spreadsheets.
All main hand weapons in the game have avrage weapon dmg of 1000 but they have difrent max and min weapon dmg. So when you calculate dmg they all should have 1000 weapon dmg simply because game engine “forces” avrage weapon dmg.In dnt calculation they use max weapon dmg and axe has 1100,dagger 1030,pistol 1080,sword 1050… We can clearly see that dnt calculations favors certain weapons and builds just because they want to calculate DPS they will never be able to replicate in game… If they would use avrage weapon dmg for their calculations two important things would happen.
First DPS values for the professions would go down but these numbers would be very similar to the numbers you would be getting in game.You would be able to compare professions without favoring any of them… Weapons like axe and rifle have high max weapon dmg and high variance.If you get lucky with axe you can get 10% more weapon dmg,but at a same time you can lose 10% weapon dmg,same goes for rifle.
Dagger on the other hand is the most consistent main hand weapon with variance of only 3%.Sword and greatsword are in the mid with 5% variance.
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Problem is that even in ideal situations you don’t come close to those spreadsheets numbers. 25k DPS on a Revenant vs 14k DPS on Necro while in reality it was 10k on Rev and 12k on Necro. You don’t draw conclusions from the spreadsheets, you form hypothesis from them and then test the hypothesis to see how it works in reality. Kind of like science.
Even if those that makes the spreadsheets know this and only use them as a base, many other players just see 2 numbers, one is bigger than the other and therefore… necro sucks for example.
Spreadsheets can perhaps help to clear up some of these questions (For example build A does 18k theoretical DPS and build B does 12k theoretical DPS would mean that build B needs to have atleast 50% more DPS time to be better then build A. Such things could be evaluated through recordings and such but as said before its rather time consuming).
I think spreadsheets can help form a hypothesis. But then you should test that hypothesis and see if it is actually accurate in reality. Drawing conclusions directly from spreadsheets can get messy as we’ve seen. There are so many variables to consider, it is not just your own personal DPS and uptime, it is the groups DPS. What if one get downed but thanks to your ritual of life and last rites plus that you sacrificed personal DPS for more tankyness you can go in, in the thick of it, ress your pal and come out alive. What if your build allows other builds/classes/players to have higher DPS uptime.
It is so easy for people to draw conclusions when they just compare 2 numbers. 2 is higher than 1 therefore… When reality is much more complex. I think we as a community need to move away from this mindset of numbers vs numbers and focus more on strength and weaknesses of a certain build, how hard is it to use the build for the player, how is the support, what synergies does it have with other builds/classes e.t.c e.t.c. instead of a HUUUGE focus on personal DPS.
Necros deal subpar damage (in ideal situations). You are glad that enemies kill your pets instead of you, but other professions can survive as well, with good positioning and timing of their skills. In a perfect scenario, being tanky at the expense of less damage is not a good idea.
Just try to use an elementalist and you will see the very noticeable difference in damage. If you can position yourself as to constantly deal damage without dodging all the time and interrupting your own casts, you will deal significantly more damage than with the necro.
What do you base that on? Not trying to be an kitten , I genuinely want to know. For example it could be your own experience, tests on youtube, spreadsheets e.t.c.
Basically, I’ve always played my Necro as a melee character, I find the ranged combat, especially the staff, boring. Since Reapers excel at melee combat I’m obviously going to play one.
The second reason, Greatsword.
Grow lamps also can be sold.
Grow lamps are time-gated. That’s like a double time-gate.
I’m all for removing the time-gate on charged quartz crystal. Quartz crystal is already kind of time-gated since there is a limited amount of nodes you can mine and buying them off TP is expensive as kitten. I remember when they cost ~2s each, now it is nearly 10s. I have already crafted my Ascended Celestial armor and I only need something like 6-7 Charged Quartz Crystals to finish Mawdrey.
I can also add that the only reason I have ascended armor is because of the bullkitten time-gate. Because it meant that exotic celestial armor is time-gated. EXOTIC. Not Ascended. If the game is going to make me wait a month to create exotic armor I might as well make it ascended and be done with it, so I did.
Hmm, I once sent 7 silvers to a player named Karl Tanner. Other than that and sending items to friends, not so much.
If you’re buying the material you’re choosing to use your gold. If your farming it you’re choosing to spend your time. And that is the choice of time versus gold.
You don’t get to get your legendary for free. You have to spend time or money or both. The good thing about it is for a large chunk of it you get to decide what you’re going to spend.
The problem is that the gold and time option interconnect so to speak. This is because you can sell the materials needed to craft the precursor. When said materials is selling for so much that you can buy the precursor on TP and still have money left then there is no reason to craft it.
So even assuming you collect everything yourself, it’s still much faster/ easier to buy the precursor off TP.
People really need to get smarter…
Exactly. People also need to remember that time is money. It really is. Look for instance at Grow Lamp on the trading post, currently its ingredients cost about 4,5 gold. But it sells for 29 gold. Why? Well, because it takes 10 days to make one! If it didn’t take 10 days to make one the supply would be much higher and thus it would be cheaper. Remember though that it takes no effort to make one, only time. If you would add effort as well the price would be even higher.
Currently, making a precursor already takes time and effort. There is no reason to add gold in the form of stuff you can buy/sell on the TP into the equation. Especially when said stuff can be sold for so much that you can buy the precursor for the money and still have money left.
No, here’s what I would like:
Option 1: Make a precursor – Time & Effort (NO items req that can be sold/bought on TP)
Option 2: Buy a precursor – Gold
Uh what? I’ve been under a rock for that past months and I just came back to the game. What happened to the celestial gear?
Those F2P players are taking err jerbs! >:(
humm.. nope a real life 2H sword would be about 30 pounds at least. I’ve seen he heaviest 2h sword go close to 100 pounds
Uh what. The greatsword he uses in this video, which looks a bit like gallant greatsword, weighs 3,5kg (~7,8 pounds): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTXjcg0S_PI
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I find a lot of players fall into 2 camps, either they play as optimal as they can, meta, zerk, looking up builds, focus on clearing content fast and efficient e.t.c. Or they have a more relaxed stance, experimenting with their own (non-optimal) builds, don’t care as much for speed (in dungeons for example) as long as they enjoy it/have fun.
Of course there are those that fall in between but I think you’ll understand what I’m talking about.
P.S. Either “camp” does not automatically mean the player is skilled/bad. There are skilled/bad meta players and there are skilled/bad relaxed players.
Personally I fall into the latter camp. I would not enjoy the game if I didn’t have the freedom to experiment with different builds, even if they’re non-optimal. My first character was a guardian and people said I should go zerk for pve. I did but I did not enjoy it at all. Even if it goes fast I don’t have fun playing him. But my second character which is a Necro with my own custom build that has dual daggers + celestial is so much fun to play. Obviously I try to make my builds work as much as I can. But to me it is not important if it takes 5 minutes longer to clear a dungeon. Don’t worry, I never try and join zerk/meta lfgs.
I think you should think about what is more important to you, is it to be “the best” possible, guided by already established builds/tactics, clearing content fast. Or would you enjoy the game more if you had the freedom to experiment but at a cost.
Just some final words to think about: I rather play with a skilled custom-build player than a bad meta player. Please note that I’m not trying to bash meta players, if that’s what you enjoy, go for it. I’m just trying to balance the scale a bit.
I got the celestial / wupwup ascended light armour and didn’t have any problems making it, i think you shouldn’t focus so much on the time and just go with it. It’ll be done eventually
I think the point here is that the EXOTIC celestial armor is time-gated.
Agreed, no reason for it. I also wanted celestial to experiment but ended up making ascended celestial due to the timegate. I mean, if I have to wait 30 days I might as well make it ascendant.
You can use this guide if you want to know if you should reroll or not:
Human – Reroll. Try not to be so boring next time.
Asura – Reroll. If more than 1, get a new account not tainted with this filth.
Salad – Reroll. Also, listen to all of Trahearne’s dialog as punishment.
Norn – Keep.
Charr – Keep. Pat yourself on the back for picking literally the best race in the game, objectively speaking of course.
From another forum:
“The second you get on the airship, run to the cannons and stay there. It happened to me twice and this worked. It looks like nothing happens until the captain of the ship talks, and she won’t talk if you’re near her, and you’re not near her if you’re in the back talking to Destiny’s Edge about how sad they are that Logan, a guy who can literally teleport, was left behind.”
That prevents the giants from freezing, which is another bug. But it doesn’t fix the cannons.
They have now acknowledged the (cannon) bug here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Personal-Story-Restoration-update/page/7#post5337291
No ETA though.
Victory or Death personal story is broken. No one can interact with the cannons (or anvil) on the airship.
Tried it 5 times now:
1st: Solo, can’t interact with cannons or anvil
2nd: Solo, can’t interact with cannons or anvil
3rd: 2-man party. No one could interact with cannons or anvil
4th: 2-man party. We stayed inside the airship. The giants froze and did nothing.
5th: 4-man party. No one could interact with cannons or anvil
It’s broken.
Actually i always use Master’s Salvage Kits
Why don’t you use Mystic Salvage kits?
If you haven’t already got the charged quartz crystals I suggest you craft the ascended celestial armor. Because both the exotic and ascended is going to take a long time to make so you might as well make the ascended. That’s at least what I did.
I really don’t see why the celestial exotic armor is time-gated. The time-gate should be for the ascended only in my opinion. I mean it’s already harder to get since you cannot farm a dungeon for it.
I believe you can use 6x Superior Rune of the Pack + Retreat + Reduce shout CD talent/spec.
Personally I’m using Traveler’s Runes because I can’t be bothered spamming skills all the time.
Ok, I ll say atheisim is more than a lack of belief, it is a belief in no god. A as a prefix means not, or non thei represents god/religion, and ism is basically a belief/practice
so atheisim, i would say is not the lack of belief in god, but rather the belief in no god.
i think agnosticism, is probably more properly a lack of belief.the default position is always negative until proven otherwise. “I have a dolphin in my bath” “I don’t believe in you”. Atheism is a similar deal. Still you can’t believe in lack of belief. That’s kind of like playing “I’m not going to play chess because I dislike it”.
Right on. Atheism isn’t a belief in the lack of something. It’s the refusal to accept untestable theories as explanations for what happens in the universe. I dismiss god as an explanation for things for the same reason that I dismiss the possibility that my car runs on skittles that pretend to be gasoline.
I don’t spend my day thinking of all of the things that God isn’t doing any more that I spend it thinking of how my dog isn’t causing the sun to emit light. Atheism is a belief in what IS rather than what ISN’T. It just so happens that theism is one of the dominant forces in our world, so we have to define ourselves by saying we aren’t part of that mindset.
if you dont know what your car runs on at all, you shouldnt really eliminate skittles from being the answer. People could build a car that runs on skittles, and you would thus be incorrect. In fact, being that skittles can power animals movements, it really isnt that improbably that one could create a car that uses the chemical energy in skittles to power a vehicle.
People have a bad habit of thinking because they do not know something, it does not exist. That isnt a logical argument. This is the same logic people would have used against radio waves, infrared and ultraviolet colors, atoms, etc.
a lack of belief, from the belief that something is false, those are two very different ideas.
now, you are free to believe whatever you want, and spend no time thinking about things you dont care about. But the lack of proof, is not a proof that something is not true. That is a mistake in logic.
I think the key was “skittles pretending to be gasoline” but good job homing in on the fact that I mentioned skittles.
Atheism isn’t the belief that God doesn’t exist. It is the lack of belief that God is a necessity for describing the universe. It is the act of saying “why did that just happen” without ascribing the possibility of anything but what is observed. If I don’t know what my car runs on, I will try to find out. I won’t say “I don’t know so it’s god until I prove otherwise.” The only reason that atheists define themselves according to what they aren’t is because the majority of people we meet define themselves by a different standard and we need to distinguish somehow.
My other posts were lost to the forum squirrels, apparently.
so by your definition, what is the difference between an atheist, and someone who says i dunno.
or is there no difference in your opinion?That is nonsense. Of course an atheist will say “I dunno” if they don’t know something. Here’s the difference: an atheist would say “I dunno, so I’ll find out,” an agnostic would say “I dunno, so I’ll find out but I can’t say for sure that it isn’t god,” and a Theist would say “God sure works in mysterious ways.”
Im saying say this is the question
Does god exist?
does the atheist answer yes, no, or i dont know. as far as you see it.
No and I don’t know = Atheist
Yes = Theist
Ok, I ll say atheisim is more than a lack of belief, it is a belief in no god. A as a prefix means not, or non thei represents god/religion, and ism is basically a belief/practice
so atheisim, i would say is not the lack of belief in god, but rather the belief in no god.
i think agnosticism, is probably more properly a lack of belief.the default position is always negative until proven otherwise. “I have a dolphin in my bath” “I don’t believe in you”. Atheism is a similar deal. Still you can’t believe in lack of belief. That’s kind of like playing “I’m not going to play chess because I dislike it”.
Right on. Atheism isn’t a belief in the lack of something. It’s the refusal to accept untestable theories as explanations for what happens in the universe. I dismiss god as an explanation for things for the same reason that I dismiss the possibility that my car runs on skittles that pretend to be gasoline.
I don’t spend my day thinking of all of the things that God isn’t doing any more that I spend it thinking of how my dog isn’t causing the sun to emit light. Atheism is a belief in what IS rather than what ISN’T. It just so happens that theism is one of the dominant forces in our world, so we have to define ourselves by saying we aren’t part of that mindset.
if you dont know what your car runs on at all, you shouldnt really eliminate skittles from being the answer. People could build a car that runs on skittles, and you would thus be incorrect. In fact, being that skittles can power animals movements, it really isnt that improbably that one could create a car that uses the chemical energy in skittles to power a vehicle.
People have a bad habit of thinking because they do not know something, it does not exist. That isnt a logical argument. This is the same logic people would have used against radio waves, infrared and ultraviolet colors, atoms, etc.
a lack of belief, from the belief that something is false, those are two very different ideas.
now, you are free to believe whatever you want, and spend no time thinking about things you dont care about. But the lack of proof, is not a proof that something is not true. That is a mistake in logic.
I think the key was “skittles pretending to be gasoline” but good job homing in on the fact that I mentioned skittles.
Atheism isn’t the belief that God doesn’t exist. It is the lack of belief that God is a necessity for describing the universe. It is the act of saying “why did that just happen” without ascribing the possibility of anything but what is observed. If I don’t know what my car runs on, I will try to find out. I won’t say “I don’t know so it’s god until I prove otherwise.” The only reason that atheists define themselves according to what they aren’t is because the majority of people we meet define themselves by a different standard and we need to distinguish somehow.
My other posts were lost to the forum squirrels, apparently.
so by your definition, what is the difference between an atheist, and someone who says i dunno.
or is there no difference in your opinion?That is nonsense. Of course an atheist will say “I dunno” if they don’t know something. Here’s the difference: an atheist would say “I dunno, so I’ll find out,” an agnostic would say “I dunno, so I’ll find out but I can’t say for sure that it isn’t god,” and a Theist would say “God sure works in mysterious ways.”
Agnosticism and Atheism are not exclusive. Most Atheists are Agnostic Atheists in that they don’t believe in a deity but they don’t know for sure.
See my picture in my previous post.
I don’t have a problem with religious discussions as long as both sides are allowed to speak.
If only one side is allowed to voice their opinion in chat, then no, it should not be allowed.
I’ve noticed some people referring to Atheism wrongly. It just means you don’t believe in a deity, you can in fact still be religious. For example Laveyan Satanists and Buddhists are Atheists as well. As long as they don’t believe in a deity.
I like D/D for several reasons.
Condition transfer
Fully utilize the dagger traits (25% movement speed & 20% CD reduction)
Dual daggers looks good
It may not be for everyone and you might not want to go into dagger traits, I know a lot of people dislike the 25% movement trait. Personally I couldn’t live without it but I was never a big fan of the “current meta” and cookie cutter builds. Making your own build is one of the most fun things to do in GW2 in my opinion.
I forgot about those…has anyone looked at the returns of bags vs chests?
I’d much rather do the events and spend all my crests on bags if the returns are roughly the same.
I saw a post on reddit where one used 1500 crests. He came to the conclusion that spending crests on Stolen bags of loot gives ~40c per crest. He didn’t say how much crests spent on keys/chests gave but he did say it was a better profit, albeit boring.
you might not like chest farming but there are other players who do. i my self couldn’t stand more than 2 rounds of chest farming. usually i feel so sleepy after one round that i fell asleep, my character running against the wall lol..
I’m more inclined to believe the majority of people who chest farm do it because of the rewards, not because they think it is fun or enjoyable. The problem is that it gives the best reward per crest so of course people will do it. If there existed alternatives that gave roughly the same rewards I don’t think many people would continue the mindless chest farming. Yes, there are Stolen Bags of Loot but they don’t reward as much as the bandit chests (per crest).
Speaking of getting sleepy. I’m usually going for 100 keys/chests for my farming runs but twice now I had to quit before that because I was literally falling asleep.
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You’re buying the wrong thing, go to the second tag and buy the Bag of Bandit Loot, it’s all sorts of T5 and T6 crafting materials, which even if you have a full inventory of you can sell the excess on the TP, or just keep opening(you’ll also get an occasional Orichalcum tool, but I just trash those since I have unlimited tools, or keep just a few for other characters.
Thanks for the tip. I’ll give it a try the next time I’ve got a stash of crests.
I like the SW events and vw but I find the chest farming quite boring. I still do it because what else should I use all those tokens on? Buy a bag of rare for 250? Hah, yeah right. I wish I could just exchange them for X number of Bandit Chest loot. Even if it was twice the cost I would prefer it over chest farming ie: 10 tokens for 1 chest loot.
Depends on what your goal is but I’m a semi-casual in that I play a lot, but I frequently take breaks from the game.
I’m working towards my first ascended armor which is going to be celestial for my Necro since I already have a build I enjoy and it’s a hybrid (70% Power 30% Cond) with a lot of healing so I’m using pretty much all stats. Optimal for PvE Dungeons? Hell no, but I find it extremely fun and I’m playing a bit of everything (PvE, PvP, WvW) and I do not want to make additional ascended sets for this character.