the problem is that anet has allowed perma stealth, the highest dps and the best mobility all on one class. it’s possible because culling allows permastealth without even speccing for it. that’s how he could take out those vet mobs and be perma stealthed. all we can do is to respectfully provide feedback.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Nah this community is filled with people who say they love the game but actually hate it because they can’t stand someone being better then them. It’s really odd
we just dont like to be forced to grind to compete.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I think some people are doing the math wrong. A 0.5% increase in equipment stats across all equipment is still only a 0.5% increase in stats. Multiplication is distributive…
Even if you had 40 people in Exotics vs 40 people in Ascended, the power difference is still 0.5%.
item to item it’s more like a 20%+ improvement. the math you reference includes base stats in the denominator.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Why are people so overly concerned with the introduction of this new gear tier?
If you dont wan’t to do it (obtain, gather etc.) then don’t, simple. Or is it because you know you will do it but could not be bothered with another task?
If the latter is the case then why bother with it?
See, its a loop.
There are lots of tasks/goals/achievements to do in this game. All of which require “grinding” to complete. This new ‘Ascended’ gear tier is no different.
The point is, people are drawn towards completing stuff but hate to put in the effort – well tough luck my friend(s). The higher the reward the more effort needs to be put in.
I don’t see anything wrong with the introduction of the Ascended gear. Its not demoralising, however, what it does is add more content and cater for those who want to use it.
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Lol. to compete in wvwvw this gear is a must. don’t try to pretend otherwise.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I find it quite funny that some people don’t understand that exotics and legendaries are statistically equivalent today. They then proceed to deride the rest of us for lacking comprehension that this new gear is BETWEEN EXOTICS AND LEGENDARIES. Lol. DId you miss the point that this means that they are now beefing up legendaries by 8-15%, making legendaries mandatory grinds too!??
Dude, they have already stated that legendary equipment will have stat boosts in the future. Where have you been.
That’s what Columba said, and it’s part of the problem.
I don’t want any new gear, ever, to be better than existing Exotics. Fill out more Exotics and add new cosmetic Mystic Forge recipe uniques and Legendaries, but only at the same statistical power level as Exotics. Never, ever higher.
Umm, until now, I never HAD to get legendaries. I never plan to do so either, but now I am forced to grind for them or run dungeons, neither of which appeal to me.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I just did three of these dungeons. didn’t finish one. I hate this garbage. Hate it with a passion. I can’t believe I am being forced to do this stuff that I loathe just to be competitive in wvwvw.
You best get em now. In 4 months you’ll have to come back for your ascended britches.
I’m with you…screw this garbage..
I will uninstall before I put myself through that garbage again. Some of us dont find dungeon raids fun. Why isn’t this crap available in wvwvw?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
10 days off for thanksgiving, and I can’t look forward to logging on now. I am quite saddened by this. Why bother playing now? It seems pointless since I hate dungeons.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I find it quite funny that some people don’t understand that exotics and legendaries are statistically equivalent today. They then proceed to deride the rest of us for lacking comprehension that this new gear is BETWEEN EXOTICS AND LEGENDARIES. Lol. DId you miss the point that this means that they are now beefing up legendaries by 8-15%, making legendaries mandatory grinds too!??
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
20-50% higher stats. Yes, we must get them now or get curb stomped in WvWvW. Secondly they are introducing many more items. This is only the beginning.
would like to know where you got those numbers. i have yet to see any official posts of any kind supporting those percentages.
easy. simply compare the items side by side. include the added stats you get from the infusion (most people thing that infusion only helps with agony resist). add up the stats and divide ascended by the base. voila. this excludes the better synergies with ascended pieces too.
The actual math shows it really doesn’t matter. Gear is less than a quarter of the stats that matter for your character. Most comes from traits and levels.
The most common ring you see adds 5 power 5 pre. That’s 1/4 of 1% crit rate and about 1/5 of 1% to your damage.
The improvement only matters if what you’re looking at is stats on items in your paperdoll. It doesn’t matter if you’re looking at in-game performance.
It depends what you put in the denominator. I exclude base stats, and I am looking at item to item stats. Thus, my point stands. I never said over character stats. I specified item stats. It’s your call on how you wish to represent the facts. I am focused on the items. Whether or not it matters is a purely subjective argument. I think these do matter.
do you think the stat increase will be significant enough to allow you to let’s say kill another player with like for example, 9 hits instead of 10? or take 11 hits instead of 10 to die?
i realize this really depends on what class is facing what class, and using what builds, but i’m talking about in general here.
the only place where ascended gear may make a difference is in pvp, namely wvwvw. considering how little gear contributes stat wise compared to traits and levels, ascended gear may have negligible impact there. the numbers will still remain the number 1 deciding factor imo. the server with the bigger zerg will still win. if i have 50 warm bodies to throw at you, and you have 40 people, even if you guys were all in full ascended gear, i will still win.
You can assume whatever you want. Not all of us Zerg in WvWvW. How about this? If the stats truly don’t matter as you claim, why not make them equal to exotics? After all, fractals are so much fun and worth the time to do all of them, right?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
flood all online buying sites with complaints and bad reviews. if they can’t sell anything over the holidays, someone will get fired and things will change.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Just got done chasing around a stealther for about twenty minutes… and yeah, it’s just not very fun. Thief ends up losing the fight? No big deal, just stealth and run away to try again in a few minutes.
I have no idea why ArenaNet decided to implement this woefully broken version of stealth when Guild Wars did just fine without it for years but one thing is for certain and that is that it needs to go.
I encourage you to send persistant and respectful feedback to anet on this. stealth in this game is horribly implemented and must be adjusted. do whatever you want for pve, i care not, but in wvwvw, stealth is a complete and utter joke. No other game has allowed stealthers to attack from and remain in stealth permanently as they do here. it’s absurd.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I just did three of these dungeons. didn’t finish one. I hate this garbage. Hate it with a passion. I can’t believe I am being forced to do this stuff that I loathe just to be competitive in wvwvw.
Please tell us when this will be available in wvwvw? If I have to do another dungeon I will shoot myself, seriously.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I can’t find a backpack for sale that has stats anywhere near those of that backpack. I don’t see why I can’t get the best gear doing what I want to do vs the forced grouping in the fractals. Secondly, who are you to tell me what I need or don’t.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
And why do you think they introduced this? Because before the forums explode because wasn’t enough stuff to do in PvE.
You don’t want that gear, then don’t go for it, its not like you need it. I understand your frustration, but its players that made Anet take this decision, if people didn’t want this Anet would not introduce it to the game.
I don’t remember any forum explosion. A minority of ex-wow grinders complained. the rest enjoyed the game as it is. I certainly never remember a 200+ page thread on no end game, lol.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Other games have stealth break on damage and break upon attacking. I don’t understand why this game made stealth even more powerful than it is in other games. Even in other games stealth causes mass complaints although it’s less powerful.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Well, after have attended the one time event, i have to say i am not so impressed. The one time event should be something that stays in the memory of the players. The only thing that stayed in my memory was Lag,Lag and more Lag. After have participate the event in Lions Arch, i went to see the new dungeon. I must admit the new dungeon is quite interesting but it´s not something for me. I played it 1 or 2 times but that was it. After that went and played WvWvW.
The only thing that i find depressing is the fact that the ascended gear will be available only as a possible reward from Dungeon. So, i am been forced to repeat the dungeon many times in order to enjoy the new gear, since my exotic after introducing this new tier is obsolete.
Please Anet, at least give players like my self, who do not enjoy dungeon grinding other ways to obtain the new tier gear parallel to dungeon, through karma, badges etc.
Regards
Seed
100% agree! I hated the dungeons. Why didn’t they make these items available from WvWvW from day one? Why am I being discriminated against for preferring WvWvW?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
….exaggerating much? The Amazon rating is still pretty good despite the pathetic attempts to review-bomb it.
And frankly, basing your purchases on user reviews these days is a questionable decision, since most people are very bad at giving even remotely objective reviews of anything.
who cares? enough people will read it and be affected. that’s all we need to do. YOu can no longer get away with treating customers like this, shoving things down their throat. Social media makes these stories spread like wild fire. Viva la revolution!
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
“Normal” players? As in, everyone who isn’t like me is one of those evil Others that should get out of MY community?
Gamers might play computer games more than you personally like, but that doesn’t mean they are any more aberrant or mal-adjusted than someone who plays a lot of golf, or watches a lot of television.
I think the hostility that arises from this casual/hardcore divide is poisonous to any community. Casual players should be welcome to come and go as they please without being criticised as lacking in either commitment or skill just because they don’t play quite as much. More invested “hardcore” players should not be criticised for enjoying the activity that we’re all here for, or for having no ‘real’ lives.
well the hard core elite brought this on by demanding grinds and by dismissing concerns.,
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
It isn’t ‘easy’ to obtain at all. It involves a grind, be it a direct or indirect one. Some people will be lucky enough to be able to throw gold at anything they need, which isn’t ideal for those of us who don’t devote our time to grinding money.
Time to wake up buddy.
Getting to 80 was a grind.
Getting your exotics guess what…. oh thats right it was a grind.
I like how people seem to think that with ascended gear theres now a grind…. it was there all along. What do some of you smoke?
Getting to 80 was fun and a blast – guess what no grind.
Getting my exotics I bought with gold that I did playing the game and WvW.
Guess what No Grind and it was fun.
Getting Ascend gear – Guess what – Grind and no fun.
Try again Please……
PS you did it wrong
Other users experience may vary but no grind for me
Did you try the FotM? My initial runs were a lot of fun, even more than the dungeons we had at launch.
The cool thing in GW2 is if you don’t want to grind that gear, you don’t have to. Exotic gear works just as well as it ever did.
Exotic will put me at a big disadvantage in WvWvW. I tried the dungeons and hated them. Why can’t I get these items via WvWvW? Right now?
Well you can seemingly run t1 and get the one item that you need from these dungeons but if you cant do that much may be you do not need these items because its just so painful that your reward of the “self view” ideal that your week in wvw. Its on you to get your gear to what level you want its no one else job to tell you how to play or what to do.
Lol what? Hw many days of doing stuff I hate? Why is that fun?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I love this game still and hate the community and how they behave… Or at-least the community on the forum.
It reminds me all too much of what I see in other games, players not actually reading what developers write, thinking about how changes actually impact them or responding in sensible manners.
But then again you are all the 90% right, whatever your idea is EVERYONE holds the same idea.
I find it funny that people talk about grind in ascended gear, the rings drop and fairly easily with one guarenteed and if you cannot afford a black slot after doing over EIGHTY fractal dungeons I have to ask… How bad are you at this game… I mean seriously I get what 60silver roughly per three dungeons at LOW LEVEL DIFFICULTY in those dungeons… You get through 80 dungeons + to the level you are required to actually use the back slot item and you get a ring AND can afford a backslot item… It is that simple.
The stats on the item make a 1%-2% difference to your OVERALL character strength which is NOTHING and a lesser difference than rare to exotics. And makes no difference in world vs world, especially if we cannot select runes and have rune effects in play (and people who use runes for their stats only and don’t work with the effects are just bad players, like the glass cannon only groups, lacking in intelligence)
There is still no gear grind in the game that isn’t optional, none that effects the gameplay in a meaningful way and ascended isn’t even a grind atm due to how they implemented it.
All I see is a bunch of people having a kneejerk reaction without actually having a closer look at how it will effect them and the way the game is played.
lol i have looked closely. it’s hours and hours of a grind in content some of us hate. How difficult is that to understand. the rings don’t always drop. How can you say what is a grind for some of us? It’s not optional. stop saying that. the stats are at least 20% better than exotics. not optional.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
It doesn’t make sense that tiny changes to stealth would break the entire class. WHat’s so special about thieves that they should be immune from nerfs? I thought stealth wasn’t the main skill for this class anyway.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with you. But basically what you’re saying is that these “locusts” don’t have a right to express how they want their game play to be? What makes them wrong and you right on determining the betterment of this game?
They are the 1%. They don’t have right to ruin the game for the 99%!
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Now why the hell couldn’t you read and comprehend that? That’s why i said this poll is incorrect because the poll options are biased and incorrect. Hell this is on THE MAIN PAGE. It’s not like you even need to google this which proves my point i been saying in every drama queen post you guys make. You don’t know wtf your talking about. And just don’t plainly read everything. So your pissed off on something not even best in slot good job drama queens.
You love gear grinds, we get it. He is correct, and the poll is completely valid. They haven’t given nearly enough information, and they already accidentally showed the legendary gear stats. sorry, but you are incorrect.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
. I hate dungeons. It would have nice to acknowledge the near universal disgust at the gear grind.