only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
and then the level 50 scrubs discovered the [TAB] key
tab doesn’t work on the perma stealthed thieves, but keep pretending that it does, lol.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
If you’re all just going to cry over a new tier of items, why even have god kitten items in this game? Why have fine, masterwork, rare, or exotic tiers? It’s too unfair for those who only have lower tier items! We should just eliminate all items for ever so the babies don’t have to do a single run forever.
On another note, did everyone forget that ascended were going to be able to acquired by other methods eventually?
And krookie, I don’t know how you managed to spend 6+ hours for only 25 tokens. My first try there was barely over an hour to finish all 3 fractals. I’d say you just had a terribad group.
Because some of us hate being forced to grind dungeons. we spent 2 hours and didn’t get crap done.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I cant believe people are complaining they have extra things to do. So youd rather have less things to do? Makes sense.
No, I’d rather have fun things to do, not have to grind dungeons that I don’t consider fun. Why can’t these items be immediately available in WvWvW and pve now?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Express your opinions on various online shopping sites. SOcial media can force companies to change nowadays.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
no. it’s no longer casual friendly. 90 hours per piece of gear to be competitive isn’t casual friendly.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I really don’t understand what the big deal is? They’re giving us more game to play, what’s wrong with that? If you hate progressing your character then why don’t you just sit at level 1?
You people complain about anything. If Anet bumped max level up to 85, you’d complain then too about “hey you said no grind!” Seriously they’re giving us new content, totally for free, and you complain? What the hell is wrong with you.
Have a look @ GW2 manifesto, the core principle of the game. We bought the game for what it was.
Aanet is putting in a content that is a complete 180 degree backflip from their original design of the game.
Free, yah. But it’s a whole different game now, ala World of Warcraft alike.
If u liked grinding ala WoW, why on earth were you playing GW2 (referring to prepatch)?But the entire game is a progression of your character. You climb 80 levels then work on maxing slots and legendaries. Did you seriously think Anet was just gonna leave it at that and let the game end after that? What developer would put millions of dollars into building an MMO and then not expand it? What do you have against them adding new stuff anyway? Haven’t you seen all the old content yet?
No it’s not about progression. I got to 80, luv exploring and leveling, took me 3 weeks to get there. And then i had fun doing dungeons with my guildies. Hunting for skin. It’s not about progression, it was about “FUN”.
Come again.
Some of us don’t consider this fun, yet we have to do it to be competitive.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
they already accidentally showed the legendary gear stats. sorry, but you are incorrect.
Where did you see this? Link?
it was a bug last week. they quickly patched, but a few people saw the gear.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Try attempting WvWvW in 6 months without this gear. It will be at least 20% better than exotics. you will get curb stomped.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
glad you enjoyed it. i hate the dungeons, and I wont ever do them now, knowing that I only have a chance at the item I must get.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I agree with the OP. I think that the stealth as implemented in this game is about the most imbalanced mechanic I’ve ever seen in a pvp game.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Go post reviews on Amazon. Let your voice be heard by millions who are shopping for holiday gifts.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
i cannot get excited to grind 90hrs in a dungeon per piece.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I don’t mind “working” for rewards. I hate being forced to do content that I find repulsive, such as dungeons.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
NO. Not after they introduced god-mode gear available only via dungeons.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I don’t get the argument that if something is properly balanced, anet must compensate. If its properly balanced, then by definition nothing is needed to compensate. It means that the prior 6 months of being imbalanced is the compensation.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
This is an MMO
MMO’s are based on “more effort, more reward”
Stop trying to destroy a perfectly good MMO with the constant whining that all should be equal.Stop trying to destroy a perfectly good MMO with the constant whining that you deserve better stats because you have more free time.
+1
Look most of us have lives. So making it more towards the folks that can spend 6+hrs playing everyday is ubserd.
The only happy people are with those with to much time on their hands. As for the rest of us…MMO’s aren’t made for casuals in mind, by design, not even this one. Nothing new here why are ppl surprised?
GW1 was.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Prior to the jan patch, i was able to solo level 1 fractals like swampland, farming mobs for hours to get the vial essence. I hate doing full fractals. So this was my way of getting the backpack in a way i preferred. Even with 180% magic find, it would typically take 5 hours. I knew the mobs that would drop them.
Now…..ANET has nerfed those fractals. nothing drops from those mobs anymore when I solo them. So, with all the problems and badly broken things in the game, THIS is what you focus on anet? I don’t appreciate your forcing me to group up to do your fractals to get the vial essence. It isn’t purchasable or available outside the fractals. so, WHY are you doing this to your customers?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Sadly, if you can’t grind often, this game isn’t for you.
They should have told me that before i bought it, not lying to us. There are other game with are better if grinding is all you do.
I encourage you to get a refund. It is very easy to get one on the grounds that the game is not what was advertised at the time of purchase.
u are a big hater i can see it from your sign too..
btw i dont think there is nothing to complain here, it is still full of ppl needing the first lvls of fractals and this is just a normal progressing line NOT dependant from gear, just the lvl where u arrived.
it’s just more difficult now to find party cause it’s a new thing. but it is harder if u lvl up in difficulty (way harder).
about the “i cant see al content” i cant understand this statement.. i mean u can see the same fractals at lvl 1 or lvl 20, it is just a change in difficulty. do u want a game where good players or players that have more time cannot progress further or have nothing to do?
having more time to grind doesn’t make anyone good. Yes, I don’t really care if they lack the imagination to find things to do beyond exotics.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I notice a big improvement in t6 material drops with magic find.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
In a way, the manifesto is still correct. You don’t need Ascended gear unless you plan to do Fractals past level 10. So you can still see and do the Fractals content up to that point . If you want to continue to progress, at that point you would need to get the available ascended items. Therefore, you don’t need Ascended gear to experience every element of the game. There is no gear treadmill. There is simply an optional Fractals progression and corresponding armor items.
But because these items are better than exotic, people feel they will be forced to grind them to remain competitive with those people who wanted to do the fractals content and have already obtained them.
I just wanted to edit and add that ArenaNet could have avoided this entire fiasco by simply making the new Ascended items have the same stats as regular gear but with Infusion and better looking/more desirable skins. Thus players would have only been affected if they wanted to do Fractals and collect those armor skins. But by increasing the stats, for whatever reason the devs had for doing it, they opened a big can of worms.
Wrong. Ascended gear is at least 20% better than exotics so you MUST have it to compete in wvwvw.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
the problem is that anet has allowed perma stealth, the highest dps and the best mobility all on one class. it’s possible because culling allows permastealth without even speccing for it. that’s how he could take out those vet mobs and be perma stealthed. all we can do is to respectfully provide feedback.
Doesn’t have the highest dps. It has the highest burst(steal cnd bs) that has a 30s recharge rate. You can still cnd/bs but that wouldnt be the highest burst.
Who bursts more than a rogue using cnd and BS? I usually see a fully geared rogue hit me for 12-15k with those two alone with steal adding another 2.5-5k depending on crits. A kill shot does only about 12k to me and a shatter usually hits me for around 10-12k .
Rogues can do the BS and C&D every few seconds, and hit with BS more times if they use utilities and their heal, both warriors and mesmers have cool downs.
A full glass warrior can volley for 10K, then killshot for 12, or just switch to GS and whirling GS into them. Or you can run shield axe and evicerate. The axe autoattack is a nasty little bugger too. I’ve seen glass cannon guardians also down glass thieves(usually 10.8K-14K HP) in 3 seconds. Engi burst can also get nasty, although it might not hit more than thieves. Ele’s have 16K burst, but has a long CD. Mesmer’s also have some pretty insane shatter/furry builds that has low CDs.
Most classes can actually achieve the same amount of burst.
they also can’t go invisible every 2 seconds and run away from anything without any fear.
any other glass class is kittened against multiple opponents. thieves can take on a zerg and stop them capping a camp, or keep WPs contested by perma stealth wall hitting.
the only people who think thieves are not broken are people who play thieves and don’t want them nerfed even though they also know they are broken, and people who don’t play GW2.
actually, the thieves in my guild admit that thieves are completely op’d in wvw. they are recommending that ANET provide a reveal debuff on attacks and damage to balance this class. It’s for the good of the game.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Id like to propose a question to the guys crying about this.
Did it take you long to get fully exotic’d? and not the “skin” I mean just the gear with stats.
It’s ridiculously easy to get exotic gear, so yes, there is a huge gap where I think ascended gear fits nicely. Comparing gear in GW2 to GW is just showing how narrow minded some of the community can be.
no, but I don’t enjoy grinding so that was fine.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Im sorry to say but GW2 has become a "filler for me until ESO now
Indeed. I never planned to jump games, but the lasted forced dungeon death march sickens me.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I agree with the OP. there are far too many broken elements of wvw. culling + stealth being the worst.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
No. I just don’t want to be forced to grind dungeons to compete in wvwvw.
Degolocc conveniently calls GW1 not an MMO. classic debating tactic, lol.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
When a CLASS DEFINING ability that we’ve been using for the last 6 months (and almost a year if you played through the betas) gets changed… you have to wonder what happened.
However, the patch notes were very subtle about the change, and I personally haven’t seen a post from ArenaNet.
Why was stealth changed?
Is there a post (from ArenaNet) explaining the reason for the change?I’ve seen discussion threads like these:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Enemies-are-expert-trackers-now-stealth/
But would love to get a REAL response.
perhaps it was to allow rangers’ pets to attack them better.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Maybe there’s some misunderstanding here.
No thief can remain permastealthed as the game is designed.
Any attack removes stealth, and applies a cooldown so you can’t stealth again.
An idea to make them transparent and blurry is misguided because we’d have the same problem with even bigger display load (so even more culling).
In a game where most attacks don’t need to be targetted, being able to see but not target is the same as being able to target.
Due to the culling bug, you are incorrect. They can perma stealth.
No you are incorrect. Read what I wrote before you say something stupid like that.
I said No thief can remain permastealthed as the game is designed
Get a game-engine that doesn’t run like poo, and it’s all good.
Anet has admitted that the culling bug allows it. the engine is part of the game design. Thus you are incorrect. stop with the personal attacks.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
If we keep the complaints coming, anet will have to do something to stealth.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
For those of you who can read, yes, I killed 80 mobs in swampland, and nothing dropped, even though they dropped a lot back before the january patch.
I read perfectly clear. You want to solo “inside” a group dungeon. That’s great. But to complain that you can’t get cool drops anymore alone in a group dungeon, well that’s a different story.
I solod the first two bosses in CM story. I did get some rewards. I would not however expect to be rewarded for killing mobs in said group dungeon solo. So if they took that away, I’d not be upset one bit.
Its your game though, your free to play as you like of course. And this is all just my opinion and may not be shared by others but, there is clearly no shortage of qq about the smallest most insignificant things on these forums. No hate intended toward what you do or how you play, again, just my opinion. Perhaps they made it so only a party is able to achieve loot status so that people cannot exploit certain dungeons, who knows.
so 5 hours soloing to get the loot hurt you how, and is an exploit in what way? lol. Lol how is this insignificant? Didn’t this company state that I could play the way I wanted? Is that an exploit? I was killing mobs, lol.
Cool drops? I didn’t care about anything other than the item mandatory to get an ascended backpiece which is far better than anything else. It’s bad enough that anet is forcing us to grind for items in dungeons. it’s laughable that they waste their time conducting social engineering by forcing us to group, going out of their way to nerf a way to solo for the vial.
… no it’s not DR. they nerfed it.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
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Lol well I WANT it to avoid getting curb stomped in small scale WvWvW.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Yes, if I could get this stuff in WvWvW or pve outside dungeons, I’d be happier. However, they are bent on forcing me to do dungeons.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
It might just be in my bracket… but I’ve noticed a LOT more people going full bunker in WvW. Bunker guard/war/mes/eles are all over the place.
It’s boring. You can’t you can’t be killed… but you won’t kill anyone either.
What’s the point?
How is a full bunker even fun at all?
Do people really fear dying THAT much?
Why not go for a balanced approach instead? (Ex. My balanced guard & mes are tanky but not to the extreme of not being able to kill something in under an hour… and bunkers still can’t kill me)
Unfortunately, full bunker is the only way to survive perma stealthed thieves. That’s why people are doing it. Certainly why my guild is moving that way.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Just wait until you get a group of 10 mesmers. Instant zerg. Have fun trying to find the real ones in stealth.
at least I will see them.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I spent more time writing reviews on Amazon, Target.com, etc. I loved this game before this patch.
Wow. Good point. Going to go do that right now.
Encourage others to do the same. The recent reviews are quite enlightening,
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
We complain about thieves because stealth is badly broken. I am not the only one complaining. Even most thieves admit that it’s broken.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Which games isn’t about Grinding? name one pls. other than FPS-type.
Gw1.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
3k armor and thief hits me for >10.5 k. could never see him. how is this balanced?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
just fix the culling problem. barring that, adjust stealth to compensate for the culling problem. thieves on their own aren’t the issue. If they spec for permastealth they are a minor annoyance. the dps specced ones are getting a lot of help from the culling issues.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I have to give them credit for the time invested in this and the transparency, particularly admission of mistakes. Those all go a long way. Specifically, I appreciate the admission that in hindsight they should have made these items available in WvWvW and pve from day one. That’s been my biggest gripe.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
When it comes to thieves in WvW, they are what is likely the best class at executing a losing strategy. That strategy being lonewolf PvP in a large scale gametype.
If you want to move around the field alone, quickly, and potentially pick off stragglers, I can’t think of anything better than a thief. This does have some niche value in WvW for things like murdering dolyaks at low personnel costs, but if even a disproportionate fraction of a server is running these lonewolf spec thieves, they will get absolutely destroyed in WvW by the server running a tight, unstoppable ball of team specs like hammer warriors, guardians, eles, necros, etc. that support each other and play together. If folks ditch the narcissistic attitudes, they would realize that thieves are actually a very limited value class when it comes to winning WvW. The game is called Guild Wars for a reason.
Pretty much the only opportunity a thief has for a useful role in that winning, tightly-knit teamplay is just for on-demand blast finishers with shortbow. (No permastealth or burst combos here.) Bring two shortbow thieves: role filled. Everyone else re-roll a more useful class or be a scout/dolyak-killer (better yet, let pugs do it) and miss out on all mega-bag drops.
Whether you like it or not, there are times when non thief classes have no choice but to run solo – returning to a battle, for example. I don’t think it’s reasonable to conclude that one class should be the best solo. It’s particularly problematic when it’s impossible to avoid that class. Perhaps what thieves bring to large battles should be improved.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I disagree with the OP entirely. The fractals are populated primarily because people have to do them now to get their gear. once you’ve done a few, they are repetitive.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
The math is wrong. Add up the stats. the differences and the combinations thereof generate at least 20% higher stats with the new tier. they are a must have, and this is only the beginning of the grind.
There is very little value in comparing the 2 tiers of items; instead we should compare the effects that these items can have on an entire character. This is nowhere near the 20% you claim, and there is no way my character that has 2 of 3 available asc. is near 20% stronger than yours.
20%+ per PIECE without the infusion in the new gear and WITH upgrades to the old gear. let’s not forget that the infusion also have base stats, another lie that has been revealed.
But you cannot have all 18 pieces of ascended gear, only 3. Therefore, 20% per piece means nothing. We must compare the effect to the entire character. Infusion slots are so minor anyway. +5 healing power? +5 vitality? Even in “principle” that someone has an advantage, in real terms they do not. 50 health will never save you, it will never push a loss into a victory for you.
They are adding armor and weapons in the near future! yes it will be mandatory. add to that that they will constantly increase the quality of the gear. they’ve said so.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
20-50% higher stats. Yes, we must get them now or get curb stomped in WvWvW. Secondly they are introducing many more items. This is only the beginning.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Highest dps, perma stealth and best mobility all in one class with one build? Don’t you think that’s a bit imbalanced? Oh, don’t forget decent cc too.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I understand that the culling bug is difficult to fix, and you guys have tried. However, it’s giving thieves huge benefits right now as they can perma stealth because of it. At what point do you plan to adjust stealth cool downs in wvw to compensate for the culling bug benefits that thieves get, or do you even consider that an option?
Thank you.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
The execution of stealth in this game is the worst I’ve ever seen. Doesn’t break on damage, can instantly stealth while under attack and can perma stealth thanks to culling bugs. Horribly broken.
If more thieves would admit that the stealth mechanic is broken, I’d be sympathetic. However, just do the l2p chant, so I will root for nerfs.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
the problem is that anet has allowed perma stealth, the highest dps and the best mobility all on one class. it’s possible because culling allows permastealth without even speccing for it. that’s how he could take out those vet mobs and be perma stealthed. all we can do is to respectfully provide feedback.
Doesn’t have the highest dps. It has the highest burst(steal cnd bs) that has a 30s recharge rate. You can still cnd/bs but that wouldnt be the highest burst.
Who bursts more than a rogue using cnd and BS? I usually see a fully geared rogue hit me for 12-15k with those two alone with steal adding another 2.5-5k depending on crits. A kill shot does only about 12k to me and a shatter usually hits me for around 10-12k .
Rogues can do the BS and C&D every few seconds, and hit with BS more times if they use utilities and their heal, both warriors and mesmers have cool downs.
A full glass warrior can volley for 10K, then killshot for 12, or just switch to GS and whirling GS into them. Or you can run shield axe and evicerate. The axe autoattack is a nasty little bugger too. I’ve seen glass cannon guardians also down glass thieves(usually 10.8K-14K HP) in 3 seconds. Engi burst can also get nasty, although it might not hit more than thieves. Ele’s have 16K burst, but has a long CD. Mesmer’s also have some pretty insane shatter/furry builds that has low CDs.
Most classes can actually achieve the same amount of burst.
The difference is that I can actually avoid the bursts of enemies quite easily. since thieves have huge dps and perma stealth, it’s impossible to avoid them without mind reading.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
they manufactured a gap where one didn’t exist as an excuse to create a gear grind.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
the only way out of this is for a-net to nerf the thief in wvw even more, and give some buffs for pve, deal ???
Isn’t thief supposed to be a PvP class? How’s nerfing PvP and buffing PvE going to work, that’s a stupid deal.
No such thing as a “PvP” class in this game, and if it is, its behind all others.
In high dungeons thief isn’t needed, that just basicly tells you there’s better classes for PvE. Thief/assassin in almost every MMO is a PvP class, nerfing thief in PvP and buffing him on PvE is non-sense.
Pvp class? Sorry, there is no such things as pve or pvp classes in here, and not really in other mmo’s either.
Yes there is, assassin/thief/rogue w/e in almost every MMO is the best or one of the best 1v1 pvp class. Because they’re focused on bursting one single target down as quick as possible, that makes him a good pvp class.
No there isn’t any such thing as a pvp class, sorry. All classes should be equally fun in all facets of the game.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.