There is a difference between want and need. You can complete all the current content excluding fractals with Exotics. You don’t “need” the ascended items to complete them. But having the stat increase would make it easier and therefore more desirable to have them. At this point it still remains the only thing you “need” Ascended armor for is the infusion to mitigate agony.
so you expect those of us who love wvwvw to just get rolled and stomped by people who have ground through the treadmill? that sounds like a fun game. Sorry, do the math. you must have this gear or get curb stomped in wvwvw.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
lol i have looked closely. it’s hours and hours of a grind in content some of us hate. How difficult is that to understand. the rings don’t always drop. How can you say what is a grind for some of us? It’s not optional. stop saying that. the stats are at least 20% better than exotics. not optional.
What would you like in the game? Would you like the rings mailed to you? Would you like the mats you need to craft ascended gear for free?
And where did you get the 20% better? Did you read that somewhere, or did you calculate it on your own?
What you need to do is decide for yourself what feels like a grind and what doesn’t, and you’ll feel better about how you play the game. The people here are not a sample of the majority. Progression in all of its forms are as much a part of this game as it is a part of life. If you choose not to progress here, you go somewhere else and progress elsewhere. But make no mistake. Fundamental design requires character progression and reward. Anet has provided additional ways to progress, that’s all. It doesn’t violate the ToS, it doesn’t violate some vague promise they made 7 years ago. It’s the natural order of the development cycle, and it only helps to improve your enjoyment of gameplay. So, don’t listent to the masses, don’t jump on the bandwagon until you listen to yourself first. What do you feel you want to accomplish in this game? That’s more important than what anyone else tells you.
I want the ability to earn these new items on my own, doing what I enjoy. Dungeon grinds don’t cut it. I enjoy wvwvw. I was happy before this patch. I never asked for it.
Go add up the back pack stats and tell me they don’t total 20% more than the best exotic one.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I find it funny how people call WoW a broken kitten game (which it is), and then say anet should make gw more like wow. Hmmmm
I thought wow did a good job with stealth though. They didn’t have permastealthed killing enemies before the enemies could ever defend themselves.
Excuse me? WoW had stunlocking.
Stop trolling, please.
not trolling. I was addressing stealth, not other things. stop the personal attacks please.
That wasn’t a personal attack, I was pointing out that you’re trolling when you say stealth was fine in wow. You had guaranteed kills on people from stealth, unless they had a stunbreaker.
That’s not a problem with stealth. That’s an issue with stun.
Well then, if a thief kills you with Basilisk Venom -> C&D -> Steal -> Backstab combo before you even see him that’s not a stealth problem, since you can get out of it using a stun breaker. Sounds like issue with stun, right?
They didn’t have permastealth there
Apart from the whole being able to stay in stealth permanently.
There is a big difference between staying in stealth permanently, and having the appearance of permanent stealth while still being able to fully function in attack. The problem with thieves in GW2 WvW is they can take full action against you while not being rendered on the screen.
It would seem that culling is the problem then, not stealth. Luckily, Anet has said culling will be removed completely from WvW.
In other games with perma stealth you can see the thief/rogue as soon as they take their first action.
In GW2 you can see the thief as soon as he does direct damage. In large fights culling might be involved, but that has nothing to do with thieves themselves.
Nope, that’s not true. C&D for one, culling for another. Other classes can’t use culling to remain stealthed as thieves do. So it has plenty to do with thieves.
Culling is not stealth, stop pretending they’re the same thing. And C&D? From stealth? You’d get the revealed debuff. Other classes are subject to culling the same as thieves.
Seriously, stop talking nonsense.
Not stealth, but thieves get the most advantage from it because they can bridge their stealth downtimes with culling to get permastealth. As many of us have proven, the revealed “debuff” actually doesn’t work in wvwvw.
Thieves have bragged about how they can spam c&d and remain stealthed. Stop talking nonsense.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
well, 900 heal, 1800 tough, 2800 armor here, and I still die to thieves in a few seconds without ever seeing them. I dodge within 2 seconds of them stealthing, i use aoes, I have my pets protect me, I constantly move, I don’t knowingly expose my back to them. all to no avail.
easy to say it’s a l2p issue if you are a thief.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I still am kind of baffled this discussion is going on now that the dungeon is out. You can complete up to level 10 in the dungeon without ever seeing Agony or any reason to have Ascended gear. Period. What content is gated? You’ve seen the content. 10 TIMES. Nothing exists for someone who has all exotics vs. someone who has Ascended.
The only legitimate concern I can see here is that it’ll have an adverse (albeit miniscule) effect on WvW, and they’ve already said there will be ways to get it through WvW. How is this even a discussion anymore? We have yet to know whether they will add more tiers (in which case there’s reason to worry since there’s no more time investment gap between Legendaries/Exotics). The only thing they’ve done is keep quiet about whether or not there will be new tiers, likely because of a kittentorm like this one. I’d be paranoid to say anything is out of the question too when I know that there will be a flock of angry forumgoers to man the flame cannons if something goes not according to plan. I’d be extremely surprised to know that there are more tiers beyond Ascended but would be happy to eat my words if there ever is one.
Do the math. First, it’s just the beginning. Second the pieces are at least 20% better than exotics. how on earth is that miniscule? LOL
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
what’s irrational about linking culling to stealth? stealth classes get the most advantages from stealth. I don’t understand your argument. Nice personal attack though.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I still am kind of baffled this discussion is going on now that the dungeon is out. You can complete up to level 10 in the dungeon without ever seeing Agony or any reason to have Ascended gear. Period. What content is gated? You’ve seen the content. 10 TIMES. Nothing exists for someone who has all exotics vs. someone who has Ascended.
The only legitimate concern I can see here is that it’ll have an adverse (albeit miniscule) effect on WvW, and they’ve already said there will be ways to get it through WvW. How is this even a discussion anymore? We have yet to know whether they will add more tiers (in which case there’s reason to worry since there’s no more time investment gap between Legendaries/Exotics). The only thing they’ve done is keep quiet about whether or not there will be new tiers, likely because of a kittentorm like this one. I’d be paranoid to say anything is out of the question too when I know that there will be a flock of angry forumgoers to man the flame cannons if something goes not according to plan. I’d be extremely surprised to know that there are more tiers beyond Ascended but would be happy to eat my words if there ever is one.
They have stated they wont release a new tier every 3 months, u can eat your words now :P
so every 4 months then? gee , that is So much better!
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Not true, even traited with gear for duration, thieves have a window open on CD’s. Often will leverage CnD on npc’s in the area not to use there utilities.
Here’s one of the first videos I found on Youtube by typing in perma stealth thief, please point out where the CD window is that you can see the thief to attack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSbw8Cpy-3s
Video is outdated, stealth doesn’t stack like that anymore, d/p thieves are harmless if you died to one that you probably played bad. Plus to stop him from stealth all you had to do was get close to the smoking ring on the flor, one of the heart seeker will surely hit you and trigger reviled.
Which patch changed that? Most of the thieves I fight use this technique to stay in stealth indefinitely, including ones I’ve seen 1-2 days ago. And sure they won’t burst you down in a second or two like other thief builds, but in the wide open area of WvW you don’t need burst to kill another player when you can always stay just out of range and remain untargetable with stealth. I personally don’t die to them because I play a healing power guardian so there are very few things that can kill me, but I don’t waste my time trying to kill thieves either.
Out of interest, are you running sub 80 exotic chars? Ive never had a problem with permastealth thieves. But I didn’t play WvW until I was fully kitted. I have had problems, at least until I learnt how to play them, with GC thieves. Now I pretty much ignore perma stealth thieves and immediately turn and fight GC thieves.
lol. Your main is a thief. No wonder you don’t have problems. they can’t see you.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I tried the dungeons last night. All I could say, over and over and over again was “I can’t believe I am forced to do this to be competitive!” Very sad.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I loved DAoC, and from the start have seen how similar GW2 is, I love it! I am personally glad GW2 has grown from GW1, no gear progression means, hit max level and stop playing your level 80 toon. Gear progression means, you get to keep playing your main, and that is a good thing IMO.
Depends on how long an attention span you have. I can see yours is relatively short since you think hitting max level ended the game before this change. This just puts the carrot a little further out in front of you is all.
I personally do not equate seeing bigger numbers with progress and I would garner no satisfaction out of defeating someone I had a 15% gear advantage over either.
edit: Your use of commas borders on criminal. Please stop using them.
What do you want? To hit 80 and have nothing to do? You want to eat the carrot on the stick as soon as you roll your toon?! People like to feel like their character continues to grow past level cap, it’s called end game.
If you don’t like progression and time sink, MMO’s are clearly not for you.
And for the record, I’m not from WOW, in fact, I think WOW killed mmo’s.
Go ahead and have a hissy fit and leave because of some minor issue, you’ll be back. As far as MMO’s on the market today, this one is the best. Sure you can go play your personal niche’ MMO, but face it, you’d be lucky to find ppl still playing them.
yes, hit 80 and go wvwvw to my heart’s content and create alts, not be forced to grind some dungeon to compete. get it now?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
This is why glass cannon thief builds are OP — I was on my Hunter who has a complete set of exotics with +Vitality and +Toughness in additional to jewelry as well Build spec with +300 vitality … I literally died instantaneous (see attached screenshot).
Glass cannon or not, a build is excessively OP when it can dish out 22,000 dmg in less than 1 second.
I assume you mean ranger. Yes, with full bunker build on my ranger. (27K vitality, 3k armor) I still drop in 2 seconds. I never see the attacker either. My poor pet doesn’t attack either because no enemy is visible.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Truth of the matter is, this is a mass market game, with a large audience with different wants and needs. Not everyone wants the exact same thing from it.
I couldn’t agree with you more. That’s the crux of the issue, a good chunk of us don’t want to be forced to do dungeons.
Which is why I felt relieved when I read that you would eventually be able to get Ascended gear in WvW.
But why eventually? Why not from day 1 of the new gear?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
The math is wrong. Add up the stats. the differences and the combinations thereof generate at least 20% higher stats with the new tier. they are a must have, and this is only the beginning of the grind.
There is very little value in comparing the 2 tiers of items; instead we should compare the effects that these items can have on an entire character. This is nowhere near the 20% you claim, and there is no way my character that has 2 of 3 available asc. is near 20% stronger than yours.
20%+ per PIECE without the infusion in the new gear and WITH upgrades to the old gear. let’s not forget that the infusion also have base stats, another lie that has been revealed.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
SoR’s enthusiasm is cute, but BG was the same way at first and they ended up losing out to JQ with half the points by the end of last reset. Let’s see if you guys can keep it up.
wow. good sportsmanship. lol
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
in wvwvw, how do you tell if your opposing team is rolling with groups of players with full ascended gear? it’s not something you can tell by simply looking at a character.
tbh, it just sounds like a convenient excuse cos someone got roflstomped and had to blame something other than him/herself.
It’s pretty obvious.
No.
Its the same as full rares going up against full exotics. Ascended is the new “exotic” and exotic is the new “rare.”
Wvw isnt going to be any different.
Not sure why noone understands this.
except that exotics take about 1% longer to get than rares. ascended take about 20x longer to get than exotics. big difference.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I don’t think it’s “you people”. I think it’s a small knot of very disgruntled fans. This is the same kind of mentality as fans who will throw stuff on the field of a ball game when their team is losing . . . causing the game to be ended prematurely and with no chance to recover.
Those fans you are referring too are the fans who have either played GW1 and know the philosophy, or the fans who have accepted the GW1/2 Mission statement.
“Read my lips. No new taxes”
-George W. Bush
We pesky, principled people who believed what anet said. Flood online buying sites with your opinions about this injustice.. If they miss the holiday sales surge, they might change their ways.
So let me get this straight… you are actively trying to get a subset of players to actively sabotage a game that a vast majority actually enjoys to play? What will this accomplish really? Aside from making you look a tad selfish?
Since when is writing honest reviews sabotage? If it pressures for the right change, then it’s good.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Yeah,my entire list of family and friends are angry with me for convincing them to buy this game. It’s sad that they thought this was a different game.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Who bursts more than a rogue using cnd and BS? I usually see a fully geared rogue hit me for 12-15k with those two alone with steal adding another 2.5-5k depending on crits. A kill shot does only about 12k to me and a shatter usually hits me for around 10-12k
A rifle warrior, traited for ir (as a bs thief is traited for it) can hit up to more than 20k kill shots from 1500 range every 5-8secs followed by a volley of 10-15k from 1200 range. And still have more health and armor than the GC BS thief. Ah, and pierce, so if someone is on the way they are dead too…
Ah, and as a channel skill, it takes people down even if they try to go on stealth/teleport.
12k kill shot is from some group buffed balanced warrior that got the riffle as a secondary weapon.
I have a riffle warrior, and on big battles its a lot of fun. And a lot of bags.
And it has much bigger burst and sustained dps than my thief. And have group buffs!
No, it doesnt have stealth, it has range, much better tool on big group fights and sieges in Wv3.
Excepting the fact that we can see said warrior, see the long cast time shots and dodge them or move out of range.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
heres why people have such a hard times with thieves in wvw
they dont know how to spec
they dont dodge
they dont auto face
they stand still
my necro lost to 1 thief out of over a hundred 1v1 fights and im a average player that does everything on my little list but most others who play this game just want to pew pew then run to the boards when they die.
now for all those saying removing stealth wont hurt thieves grab yourself a p/d and dont use stealth in fights and come back here and let people know how you did or better yet record it.
1. No proof of this. There are good builds out there, so unlikely.
2. People know how to dodge and when. We do it. Unfortunately there’s a limit to how many times we can dodge. A thief can just wait because the victim can not see the thief.
3. Lol. How do we auto face a perma stealthed target? Further, where do I aoe when I cannot see the target.
4. Not proven. I never stand still. Even when no one is attacking me, so this is a kittenumption on your part.
So you make unfounded l2p claims as a way to defend op stealth. We are not advocating stealth removal. We think that permastealth is a broken mechanic,
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I enjoyed GW2 very much recreationally, but I stopped playing a while ago awhile at lvl 25 for some reasons:
1. All my friends said the end-game is non-existant. Thats not neccessarily bad – but it didnt meet their expectations.
2. I didnt rly enjoy the pvp…was too confusing and I got overwhelmed with a lot of concepts in the game (like crafting for example)
Now I decided to give it a try again and I see a lot of people are complaining about the new patch. I’m curious, why is that, what has changed so substantionally ?
Casual ppl like you like their games simple, gw2 just got a little bit more involved, so carebears cry that they don’t get all their shiny toys at level 1 with no work. They think level cap should equal a ceiling on how powerful your character can get.
Others feel that they want their characters to grow in power past level 80, and that it gives the game longevity. Which in my opinion is correct. Level 80 is a boring place without progression. But some ppl want instant gratification without any work put in, and they fail to see the long term flaw with that design.
way to be condescending. Casuals like us have full time jobs and prefer to fight players not mobs.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Well said XII. My guild has dozens of pvp veterans and we just shake our heads at how poorly anet has handled stealth in this game. We’ve never seen anything remotely this overpowering in 15 years of pvp games. Perma stealth coupled with the best burst dps and high mobility all rolled into one class is bad design, and unfortunately it’s sullying anet’s reputation.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Secondly, if your having problems with culling.
you need to upgrade your hardware.
With the recent change, culling got better for some and significantly worse for others.
That tells us that it may then be a hardware problem where people are using the lowest spec computers available.
If you are using the lowest grade of equipment, you may also want to come to terms that culling will possible never get better for you.
LMAO! If you think that culling is a result of client hardware, you need to L2Program, cause you obviously have no clue what you’re talking about.
I have this issue quite often where a stealthed thieve will hit me for more than half my health appear for a split second, restealth, and and I’m downed. Then stealth again, and stomp/stake me. This is not due to my hardware, I assure you that.
Before you claim that it’s my old hardware and blah blah blah, I’d bet that I have been building computers for longer than you knew what a computer was, and I know I don’t have cutting edge technology today, but I assure you, it’s more than adequate to play this game.
Now, would you like to blame the something else on the issue, or you would finally like to admit that the class has some issues that need to be worked on? I’m sure you won’t admit it, as you enjoy your 2 button no talent broken class.
Agreed. I shared my specs above. Top of the line. It’s not my hardware, lol.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with you. But basically what you’re saying is that these “locusts” don’t have a right to express how they want their game play to be? What makes them wrong and you right on determining the betterment of this game?
They are the 1%. They don’t have right to ruin the game for the 99%!
Did you ever stop to think that maybe just maybe this is going to be the only rarity change? They haven’t compromised on their consistent power levels for each rarity of gear. They are just adding an additional level of rarity to support infusions…
For all these die hard fans that are saying agony is going to ruin the game experience because it is a gear wall… It was in GW1! So were infusions. Oh no! Arena Net actually made the game a proper sequel. Let’s all go delete our accounts now and form a picket line.
It’s not a gear treadmill until it becomes a regular thing. I’m pretty sure Arena Net knows what they promised. They spent 5+ years of their lives making this game and you think they forgot their vision? Are you being serious. The attitudes of whiners on this forum kills me sometimes. One second you love them the next second you’re screaming for their blood. I would venture to say a large portion of these forums users are bi polar.
did you fail to read the entire blog? this is the first of many.
Did you fail to read this:
We will not be adding a new tier of gear every 3 months that we expect everyone to chase after and then get the next set and so on.
and this
We will slowly add the remaining ascended gear items and legendary items in future updates to allow people time to acquire them as we add exciting new content that deserves exciting rewards.
So a) they confirm they’re not adding a treadmill in the sense that there will be regular periodic new sets and b) they explain what they meant by more items to come, namely a phased addition of the other pieces to give everyone time to gather them and avoid creating a too big gap in the playerbase.
Also it will probably be easier to get in future:
Ascended and infusion rewards will be available in both PvE and WvW over time, and be made available through all sorts of content around the world including existing content.
The original blog stated that this dungeon set, and the upcoming armor is just the beginning. All you can cite is the they won’t add new tiers EVERY 3 MONTHS. They may add then every year, 9 months, whatever. However, they clearly stated in the original blog that more tiers were coming. You are wrong.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
