Guild Wars 2

I played from launch and became casual at HoT, if you expect more from wvw devs than maintenance prepare to be forever disapointed. Less patient people than me were leaving the game/mode since 1 to 1.5 years after launch.

People have been asking for gvg support since almost the launch of the game and what we got was pretty much the guild hall arena and an expanded os room.

If that doesnt explain to you how unlikely any bones would be thrown to that crowd at this point i dont know what will.

Willkilliam.5012:

Keep in mind that its technically easier and takes less time to get legendary armor like what?

Pretty much in line with how rewards have always been given out in wvw relative to pve for a long time. Youll get used to it.

We got 5 guardian punts off on one downed player before we got them to a cliff where they died before we could get them to fall.

Wvw never even left beta.

sephiroth.4217:

ReaverKane.7598:

babazhook.6805:

I have no issues finding “numbers” in game unless they are really off hours and in fact prefer it this way. I am not a fan of the big blobs which slow everything to a crawl and which tend to be fights where one just spams aoe and pushes on the other.

Even on the lower tier server I am on , we get queues for EBG. The time of day is important as the biggest difference between populations is the amount of after hours coverage.

As usual if you don’t find a problem, its likely you’re the problem. People bandwagon to other servers too easily and without consequence, so winning servers just snowball.
And since HoT when people started quitting WvW until now, the few people that played WvW just bandwagoned into a couple servers and thats it. It was also a issue pre-HoT, Seafarers was full of bandwagoner guilds (i know because i was there before, during and after it was the top server). Until they change the way players are distributed into WvW then WvW will never be playable.

It’s not bandwagoning anymore, I think it’s more of a migration.

People been telling themselves that since the first time their guild lead said, we’re moving for more fights.

If anyone’s like me after the hot experience, which pretty much everything they added sucked and then they announce another expansion and stuff from the first one isn’t even here never mind fixed why would we give them our money when all they’re doing is putting out gem stuff to get our money even though we’ll have to pay for the new exp too.
I’m not saying I’m right or even know what I’m talking about but most of my guild and I are pretty average gamers and this is how most of us feel, most of us hardly manage to log daily anymore cuz we feel sour over the last year or so.
Also with games going into funding skin creation to try and fund their games and just ending up in a circle of spending money on making skins and then making money off them to make more and then so on. This is the game where I decided to walk away. I think gw2 ruined f2p for me tbh.

DeeSystm.1256:

Yuffi.2430:

“Slightly more shady”? SLIGHTLY shady?!

Really?!!!

Where’s the fun in “slightly shady”?

There’s no fun it it but if you end up in a forum of a survival game you’ll see how hard people cry about any amount of having to deal with vision restricted by darkness, add to that everyone’s hate for culling, which you’d be asking to essentially reintroduce for about 50% of play time. Then add into that the roaming scene which is just conDi tank or ooc run and burst builds, the vast majority of casuals would just camp towers or not even play. That’s how I see people reaction anyways.

There’s night in wvw, just hard to tell because “night” is dumbed down to "slightly more shady time. "

Nuzt.7894:

I seriously hope this is a troll, between this and the Warrior rifle thread I don’t know how much easier everyone want this game to be.

It’s been said a million times, chase away those who are good and try to raise the skill level Of the game. You will be left but nothing but carebears resulting in The complains we see here now.

I’m not sure exactly where to post this but I have a small list of things that happen to me semi-regularly since bitterfrost patch and they mess with my head a little. I don’t have pics or vids but I’ll start recording, maybe it was just patch instability.

Note: I run a mid range pc but with lower graphics just for more fps, I never have issues like these in other games.

-Showstepping/teleporting players characters sometimes teleport 3 times instead of once. I only noticed this in wvw. At first I thought this was just thieves spamming multiple teleports for some sort of combo. But then a guardian did a sword #2 on me and they teleported in dropped symbol then teleported back out and in, in almost the same instance. It gets really harsh fighting a couple thieves, I end up having no idea of anythings position. This happens with ele’s and mesmers too that I noticed.

-Bitterfrost Map npc aggro. (seems like aggro easily resets or gets locked on)This happens sometimes with bosses but mostly with the junk spawns. The wolves for instance jump me once then jog away for random amounts of times, sometimes they never come back (they often run waaay out of any reasonable aggro range yet still maintain combat), even if I chase them they take a while to respond. Every single junk mob on this map will do the same thing to me, even veteran griphon spawns. Bosses also have a hard time holding aggro, theres been a few times trying to pull a boss like 1k units to a second boss and it resets after I get like 500u away from it.

-Teleporting enemies in new maps. Defending braziers enemies spawn under the brazier, trip my traps, then teleport 2k+ units away from the brazier and start making their way to it missing the health from my traps. When I run into a situation or notice a player runs into a situation where I’m fighting mobs (specially around winterberries) sometimes the mobs will blink to a new position, usually less than 1k units, this little glitch has calmed down over the last few days. I noticed this happens with bosses too, just today while doing Karka it teleported like 1500 units away, just after this more players showed up to help. I’ve also bosses in bitterfrost have done this to me, they seem to move to the nearest place ground sections interact with each other.

Skill desync- My skills seem to have a problem going from button click to activation but I don’t know how to feel about this yet. It just suddenly seems that skills I’m used to getting off in quick succession are now interrupting each other while others just seem to take longer to activate messing up skill combos that are quick.

Offair.2563:

Xillllix.3485:

When they made the HoT classes I don’t think they spent a minute to think about WvW.

If they did they would have made new and interesting combo fields that would have redefined the WvW experience. Instead they just increased the amount of condi, ccs, healing and damage spikes for Raids and let the kittenstorm fall on WvW.

There is no hope for WvW until the next expansion is release. Even the whole 2016 year that was supposed to be focused around WvW post HoT’s launch has barely has been a huge disappointment. Barely anything got done at all, they just made bunch of polls to distract the community and delay everything until the next xpac.

Guess you nailed it here Xilllix. However they kittened up so badly with this expansion, lets see what they add with the other one. More cc/condis/stealth as usual?

There is no hope for WvW until the next game that features a wvw style mode. The tap is dry, the river has run to dust. After stab kitten up-ery over a year ago dealing a “player leaving the game” sized blow of disappointment and then HoT literally dealing the exact same blow the players have been turned down and off, the only way to refresh that spirit is a whole new game of noobs.

The only reason for me to enter wvw now is kodan duos with my buddy.

shagwell.1349:

“We moved for fights”. That’s why most guilds stacki in already full timezones. Biggest lie on gw2.
If you move for a fight your transfer target are heavily underpopulated servers, not tier 1 or tier 2, but at least you are honest about "Alot of us who transferred alot didn’t give a crap about the state of wvw "

Lol we literally transfered down the ranks 3 times over because the servers we were on climbed up to t3/2 which was too busy for what our 5-12 ran, which was all roaming or small scale zerg busting, touching siege was literally the lowest job in That guild, we didn’t move to pvd. Trust me if I wanted stacked timezone I know enough about wvw I could have been in them 20 times over.

Obligatory “you don’t know me”

shagwell.1349:

People who transfered more than two times disgust me. They are the reason wvw is in the bad state it is.

Alot of us who transferred alot didn’t give a crap about the state of wvw because the powers at be obviously didn’t and still don’t, we moved for fights or cuz allied guilds moved.

But yes the mini exoduses resulting from important guilds moving caused shifts across all 3 servers which slowly wore the wvw population down through attrition, and here we are.

Around 15 for my main, most was covered by guilds.
At least 4 for for alt1
Free account never transferred.

Jeknar.6184:

Respectable guilds are long gone… The only thing we fear now are 80man mapqueues made up of 3-4 guilds+pugs “looking for fights”.

Hexalot.8194:

DeeSystm.1256:

Jerry CCH.9816:

Anet just need limit WvW Map ppl (like WoW)

use hand let Server Full is a bad idea

**we accept more than 1800 Gem to transfer ( ex: Highest Server 3600 Gem *

All this tells me is that BG has enough gold stocked up and prepared to pay people 3600 gems worth of gold to transfer, probably multiple guilds worth of people. This is why you get to stay locked.

Haha looks like peeps are gonna get paid today. :-D

Can I get a whine and boohoo ?

Well I never like being right.

Let me know how the fights are in a few months.

Jerry CCH.9816:

Anet just need limit WvW Map ppl (like WoW)

use hand let Server Full is a bad idea

**we accept more than 1800 Gem to transfer ( ex: Highest Server 3600 Gem *

All this tells me is that BG has enough gold stocked up and prepared to pay people 3600 gems worth of gold to transfer, probably multiple guilds worth of people. This is why you get to stay locked.

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

DeeSystm.1256:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

trueanimus.4085:

Mokk.2397:

I would really like to know what people mean by team play.Is it when the guardians/dragon hunters are so bunker-ed up with little to no damage tagging as many foes as they can while the back line does the real killing?Is that team play?Calling rangers out and calling us useless when we can plainly see the opponents going down one after another at the points of our arrows or under a barrage.That’s team play?
This is what I have to say about the so called “META” .It’s designed around selfish front liners that just want to tap while the rest of us do the real work.
ALL classes have a place in the battle field.Whether we’re running long bow or trapping we rangers are the ones at the far back watching over the back line ,bursting and disrupting the opponents front line and mid line.We flank to disrupt the opponents mid line and back line. So all you knuckle heads out there that think rangers don’t have a place in WvW need a reality check.It is ranger haters that need to stop being selfish and allow people to play the game .

^ Perfectly said…. the REAL team players are the ones kicking kitten .. everyone else is just on a loot stick guardian because they want to brag about how many bags their toon gets… i love this guy!! Honesty at its finest!

Whilst I may not feel the same way (Yeah right, I totally do), I agree with what is being said.

If you’re gunna call the group comp running 500+ units ahead of you taking everything on “greedy” while you pew pew at pirate ship range “collecting bags” from tags, then y’all lost in here, druid sickness is real atm.

500+ units? Def no 500+ units where I am/fight mate. You don’t know about me and how I play. There is many times where I am up front with the tag (when I am not tagging up myself, where I typically stay in front as well). This is a perfect example of some people not realizing/knowing that some druids actually know how to play their part. I don’t usually stay at “pirate ship range” mate. More often than not I’m close to, if not up front, which if not, then I’m around mid. I can’t pick off backline peeps if I am playing in my backline.

I also tend to kite their frontline to a choke point so my guys and start rolstomping their frontline while I go ahead and chase/down their backline/aoe peeps.

I understand that there are a lot of baddies out there, however there are some actual druids that have a clue and do know how to work their build where it’s not all about selfishness. It’s also the druid hate that drives me to keep playing it and getting better to the point that I’ve saved so many people from being stomped/DPS’d down that I saved those haters.

Cheers Mate.

This is actually the exact mentality that I fear. Sure you get a few druids who can group combat on a server sure they do their part but even doing well they just barely carry their weight. And then just like you say, all the baddies this encourages to stay on classes and builds not worth it.

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

trueanimus.4085:

Mokk.2397:

I would really like to know what people mean by team play.Is it when the guardians/dragon hunters are so bunker-ed up with little to no damage tagging as many foes as they can while the back line does the real killing?Is that team play?Calling rangers out and calling us useless when we can plainly see the opponents going down one after another at the points of our arrows or under a barrage.That’s team play?
This is what I have to say about the so called “META” .It’s designed around selfish front liners that just want to tap while the rest of us do the real work.
ALL classes have a place in the battle field.Whether we’re running long bow or trapping we rangers are the ones at the far back watching over the back line ,bursting and disrupting the opponents front line and mid line.We flank to disrupt the opponents mid line and back line. So all you knuckle heads out there that think rangers don’t have a place in WvW need a reality check.It is ranger haters that need to stop being selfish and allow people to play the game .

^ Perfectly said…. the REAL team players are the ones kicking kitten .. everyone else is just on a loot stick guardian because they want to brag about how many bags their toon gets… i love this guy!! Honesty at its finest!

Whilst I may not feel the same way (Yeah right, I totally do), I agree with what is being said.

If you’re gunna call the group comp running 500+ units ahead of you taking everything on “greedy” while you pew pew at pirate ship range “collecting bags” from tags, then y’all lost in here, druid sickness is real atm.

I get this problem too sometimes but/so i mostly use “nearest target” or click targeting because button targeting will probably never be good enough for me in Mesmer fights or any larger fights anyways.

Hexalot.8194:

Jeknar.6184:

Hexalot.8194:

DeeSystm.1256:

Anvil rock is in need of recruits and a community rebuilding effort, all welcome.

You’re currently paired with Yak’s Bend. Ewww !

At least they don’t have to deal with YB extreme sieging. Think about it.

Yeah but then those nefarious tactics may start to rub off…

Most of what’s left on ar is too casual to have any tendencies rub off on them.

Top tier wvw has always been a farce to those below it. You really think people care you guys are suffering burnout? Everyone has suffered it because of these two servers for a long time now. Taste the medicine.

Anvil rock is in need of recruits and a community rebuilding effort, all welcome.

rhayan.9580:

Maybe have another poll?

Let each server determine their own fate if they want to stay link or not?

Their fate would be running around maps with 2 or 3 or maybe 0 wanna be roamers who play twice a week telling themselves soloing camps and towers with paper siege is “real wvw”.

Brutal Augus.5917:

Would be nice to get the rest of our guild on one server.

There’s how many? Slap on a freaking blindfold and throw a dart.

The worst part about this is that it shows wvw plays know very little about the basic mechanics of the game like cmon now.

Honestly black gate is the mordor of wvw. Throw away the key, let em rot. We know what hoards will go there if not.

Xillllix.3485:

DeeSystm.1256:

It took 3(ish) months for cannon blueprints to come into the game. We know it’s a possibility they were already designed before the poll. Not only that but the new build cannons don’t even act/react to anything in a normalized fashion relative to the other siege we build.

That feels way to slow, practically unacceptable with “bugs” that literally couldn’t have made it though a single (real)test.

Why would I take part in a poll now? Like….. seriously, wut?

This is straight bullslaugen devs, slow delivery, failed delivery, just another day in the wvw life.

Said so 6 months ago: These polls are a diversions to keep people patient until the next expansion hits. If they waited 3 months for the release of the canons it isn’t because it took a long time to implement, it’s because they are spreading the butter thin with the little they have of the “WvW overhaul”.

It’s sure looking like you’re right. I even took a month+ long break after cannon poll happened, the fact that it made it to poll actually caused it. Feelin used anet.

Custom build hammer skins on Black lion for 500 gems a piece.

Jeknar.6184:

DeeSystm.1256:

Why would I take part in a poll now?

So you don’t come complain later when they add somenthing that was result of a poll you didn’t voted.

But yeah, I agree that even with the polling, whatever that get’s poll take months to come. This isn’t the first time. DBL reintroduction for exemple was also super delayed.

Voting or not, I’ll criticize terrible execution.

It took 3(ish) months for cannon blueprints to come into the game. We know it’s a possibility they were already designed before the poll. Not only that but the new build cannons don’t even act/react to anything in a normalized fashion relative to the other siege we build.

That feels way to slow, practically unacceptable with “bugs” that literally couldn’t have made it though a single (real)test.

Why would I take part in a poll now? Like….. seriously, wut?

This is straight bullslaugen devs, slow delivery, failed delivery, just another day in the wvw life.

I have like 30 infinite tonics and never leave wvw. This post could cost me like 200g. Thanks fam.

There’s a thread about an entire bl not letting people in. It could be connected to the outnumbered bug? Anet?

Is Anet looking into this? Like I’m pretty sure this confirms that something in wvw is right borked.

joneirikb.7506:

I don’t remember that one, so I stand corrected !

I just can’t stop laughing at the mental image:

“The numbers are wrong!” -players
“Uh, we’re looking at the code and live numbers they’re right, the sides are equal.” -devs
“No they’re not! We don’t trust you! Put someone that knows what they’re talking about here!” -players

Just how it feels like at times.

Yeah pretty much, although I think we managed to stop before line three, this time! lol

joneirikb.7506:

Slightly off-topic, but how many times to the poor devs have to state that there is not a different queue number for any color in the WvW maps, before people stop asking that one ?

I think my earliest memory of reading these forums some 3+ years back was people complaining “Green has more people on map than we have!”. And I’ve seen devs state “nope, no team can have more than any other team.” about once every 3 months or so.

Geez, you people really can’t give them devs a break on that topic :p Whom would you trust to answer this if not the devs ?

PS: The chances are higher that it is a bug with Outnumbered effect and how it triggers.

I haven’t seen this in a while but I only pop in every so often.

And there was at least one confirmed bug causing teams to be unable to get equal amounts of players in maps before. People were still being counted as on a map for up to like 3 hours after logging out straight from wvw, filled up slots for long periods of time.

I’d like to see total war score and total ppk as well as live ppk.

Wvw ui proves to be flexible so I don’t see what the issue is.

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

You can post the information in this thread or PM me

OK awesome, thank you.

PS people say devs never come to the wvw forums but every time I ask for a comment you guys deliver!

Chris Barrett.3280:

trueanimus, I just checked our logs for the counts of each team, as output by the same area of code that calculates the need for and applies the Outnumbered buff, for the period of 2016-09-03T02:00:00+00:00 to 2016-09-03T05:30:00+00:00 in NA’s T1 matchup.
This is from the last pre-skirmish match’s opening reset in NA to 3.5 hours later. Other than Dragonbrand being Outnumbered starting at roughly 04:45Z (2.75 hours after reset), no team in that match should have had the Outnumbered buff for that period.

That said, right there I’m only looking at the logs of team counts and how the ratios play out. That doesn’t rule out the possibility of a bug with when/how the buff is being applied. We’ll keep an eye out around reset times in-game.

Please do let us know when you see something that seems wrong with the buff, with as much information as possible. Even if it’s something we can know by our logs, sometimes it can save some time if it’s listed, so it’s not an extra lookup of something on our part. At the least, I’m looking for: your team (any one or more of your color, your world, or your host world will do), time/date with timezone.

Thanks for the breakdown Chris. Where would we send any info if we notice anything weird?

You know all the bale locations in dbl

gatsu.2813:

This issue happened on the TC/Mag/FA matchup the other week as well. Outnumbered buff while EBG is queued. We are also experiencing some irregularities in the current t2 matchup as well (mainly for our opponents).

This issue is nothing new. 2 years ago this exact same issue came up where there was an issue with the queue system. Anet needs to look into this immediately.

One of the old issues was people logging out directly while still in wvw but their account was still in wvw, you could see this through party ui. I’m wondering if the new squad system combined with linking servers creates some sort of bug slipping more people into one team somehow.

If Anet could look into for peace of mind that would be super awesome, or if they could just tell me I’m crazy that would work too.

Since before linkages I’ve noticed queued ebgs with no commander or any real groups of people around, maybe 20 randoms at Max. I’ve been waiting for another post about it and maybe it’s just in my head but I feel like something has been wrong with how many people each side gets across all maps and could be inconsistent.

What about this 1h long tick i had last weekend.

Timers in general must be buggy because I’ve had my ticks get stuck on —:-- for 20+ minutes, maybe even until I change maps, I always loose track. But it happens enough I stopped paying attention to the timers.

Just a change of tone on the topic I really do enjoy being on a server who gets new host servers.
I (in off forum conversation)always hear about “our server doesn’t exist anymore” and “our community is gone.” From people who spend as much time in a month in wvw as I do in a weekend (probably less). I know things are messed up in wvw, it doesn’t stop me from calling for help to build siege, 1/2 the people I never knew before, half the people I don’t now. Same with voice coms, the same characters exist in almost every one anyways, it’s not hard to jump from one to the other, bookmarks and notes are your friend. Zergs from ebg respond just as slowly here as 3 weeks ago, no one sieges properly anymore anyways.

I just don’t see what people really lost when we got linked, we gained more imo, your friends, guildies are all still there, my buddies still give me a hop when we go in opposite directions. They still come to my calls, maybe with a couple others too. Little cultural differences from servers blend more now, you meet their bad, they meet yours, but they meet your good too, and you’ll find some good people on theirs too.

I just feel like we should work more on riding out the linkages for now until more of the (scoring) changes come and go and how they settle the dust.

Anyways get out there and do something for the team, scrub!

Almost every 3 way ever nowadays is skill lag. T4 skill lag in sm all weekend. Straight bullslaughen

apharma.3741:

Blaqatak.1395:

zinkz.7045:

DeceiverX.8361:

I immediately associate condition builds with people who suck too much to play the game built power and can let their crutches give them free wins.

Erm, the game is full of crutches both power and condi, or you think auto targeted skills, basically no resource management, relatively undemanding level of mechanical ability, etc make this game skillful, if you want skillful gaming why are you even playing GW2 or an MMORPG?

There’s a reason he plays power Thief. It’s one of the few classes/specs that forces interesting choices. To your exact point: the player is required to manage resources, predict/react quickly to interrupt/evade, mind game with stealth/mobility/blind, etc. It’s one of the few classes where your win-conditions constantly change based on who you’re fighting (both class and skill).

The only thing it really lacks is the typical MMO fare of CD management – which I have never found all that engaging. Is it fighting game level of mechanics/skill/prediction? Of course not. But it’s a lot more engaging than spamming 3 & Dodge as a condi D/D thief or mindlessly punching a rotation on another class.

Condi & bunker builds are for the most part incredibly forgiving and have a drastically friendlier skillfloor. Have you ever seen a bad D/D Condi Thief?

I might agree with your assessment of thief if they didn’t have the most mobility in the game and can thus escape and reset any fight at will. I have some respect for glassy builds that commit to fights or that when they know they won’t win kitten off somewhere else.

I have no respect for people who run till ooc and come back trying to land that large burst then repeat if not successful.

When i pull an ooc heal exploiter to a tower after 5 resets and they /laugh I don’t think they realise I’m not afraid of them I was just seeing if they were stupid enough to actually think I’m scared.

misterman.1530:

DeeSystm.1256:

The worst part about the dbl is all you whiners who never learned how to navigate or fight on it constantly crying. All your doing is hurting your team and game mode.

Whiners? The fact is, it takes too long to run from one tower to the next. Way too long. By the time swords pop and you get there, it’s flipped.

Horrible, horrible design. Needs to shrink in half. So much wasted/unused space.

As smart people mentioned before, if you do not have the numbers, there’s no way you can successfully defend/take the DBL. My server has it this week. We aren’t doing well. We can’t. We are habitually outnumbered on any BL we enter. It’s doubly bad on the DBL.

Time to get there is a pretty bad reason seeing as a scout class with mobility could skew running time drastically, having scouts or map awareness also changes that problem. Other got the other stuff above me I believe.

There’s issues with all 3 maps, all have solutions.

The worst part about the dbl is all you whiners who never learned how to navigate or fight on it constantly crying. All your doing is hurting your team and game mode.