Guild Wars 2

This has been my opinion on the matter of Store vs Gaming in MMORPG’s from the beginning OP.
I remember the feeling in EQ2 when I started playing, and how it simply faded away after the store was introduced and everything was attainable in there, with nothing being left to just game for.
Every game being released today is all about the store and what can be bought there, instead of the game and what can be attained through playing. It is rather boring and depressing.

LOL, I remember being ridiculed for these statements.

Are you serious? My entire reason for leaving this game is because “healing” is not a viable role to play full time and in fact the ONLY role to be playing is DPS, while mixing in some support-ish types of abilities every now and again. Well, DPS bores the crap out of me, and mechanics jsut became a “dodge this!” now “Dodge that1” Now MASHMASSMASH to get in as many hits as possible before the mobs die! Or if in an instance it was "Kite the mob while we all MASHMASHMASH DPS until it dies!

I was harrassed and told “Go back to WoW” if I wanted the trinity. Anyway. I liked this games exploration, puzzles, and living world. However the actual mechanics and fighting functions were BORING. For someone who enjoys Healing and support roles anyway.

I feel the same way about the limited time achievements. I don’t like that it is trying to force me to do something (do it now or miss out on it) So, I do what I always do when I feel like I am being forced to do something. I quit. I am not playing it. I wont do it. shrug I’ll keep my eye on this game and the forums, I want to play. I love this game. I love puzzles, I love exploration, I love doing things when I want to do them. Three things this game has gravitated away from recently. Until they remember those things I wont be back.

F my life, wrong thread =X

Well, maybe some people DO like taking forever to get to their destinations. You know, kinda like the journey being more important that where you end up.
Theres always street fighter for those who are too annoyed for RPG (exploring a world) aspect of MMORPG’s.

I am not playing this game for the fighting. I am playing this game for exploration, discovery, puzzles ON THE WAY to the fighting, and I’d rather not be doing it in fast forward.

unfortunately the “Everyone needs to get a trophy” mindset has done away with any and all meaningful living content in every game.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Seriously people learn how to read. I’ve said multiple times that the issue isn’t that the content/guides are there. I’m quite capable of not looking at it and I don’t look at it.
The problem is that it is available BEFORE the content is released which has a detrimental effect on the community as a whole and stops encouraging people to actually EXPERIENCE the content.

All I’m asking is that they limit the amount press sites are allowed to reveal beforehand and that sites like Dulfy don’t post their guides until the content has actually been released. Once the content is in game then sure people should be able to go and read guides and play it however they like – but it shouldn’t be a common expectation in game (and an expectaiton of the devs if you look at how they’re treating this stuff) that every single person in the game has already read guides.

ProxyDamage your analogy is ridiculous because It misses the point of what I’m saying. I’m not saying ‘I don’t want to see guides so they shouldn’t be there’. I’m saying the guides shouldn’t be there until players actually have the ability to experience the content. If people want to use guides then that is 100% ok with me – but the impact that this has on the playerbase as a whole is really saddening. You can have a different opinion but you don’t have to be so rude about it. Express your opinion but don’t call someone else stupid because you disagree with theirs.

A chance to think before it is spoon fed to you? is that what I am detecting here? Oh, God, I never thought I would see the day. Praise to all that is holy that there is a desire to think in a game once again.

Chase.8415:

No one is forcing you to check the previews or live streams. This is no different then MMO champion in World of Warcraft, leaking tons of information before it was official.

The biggest part of this patch is the achievement upgrade, living story is really just a bonus. There’s also a potential Necromancer nerf as well, so something to look forward to.

I think his point is, if he has questions in game, maybe about something small.. instead of the community working together and/or being helpful towards one another with new content, he is instead instructed to leave game and read. Therefore he Is being forced to go read.

It just takes this game even further from cooperative play (with friends or strangers) and once again encourages solo play.

Bryzy.2719:

Rangers are the only profession with the right to QQ at the moment.

Yes I main a ranger but i also have experienced play in mesmers, eles and guardians. I can say without a doubt that ranger gameplay is seriously neglected. It feels, especially compared to guardian, like an unfinished project.

I think everything feels like an unfinished project compared to guardians LOL!

So, from the first page of this thread I gathered this information;

1; you aren’t happy with Ele? make a new class or quit the game.
2; devs are smart and always know best.

riiiiiight. Well, i saw what they were doing with Ele a few months ago when I quit the first time, I came back in hopes they had become more viable, and I am now leveling a guardian because the “Jack of all trades” support type role is more efficiently done with Guardian instead of Elementalist, which I had originally thought was the main support class. Oh well. They have no idea what they want to do with this class, nearly every class in this game can do a little of everything, Ele is the least versatile, yet are labeled as the “Jack of all trades”. Right. I understand now.

My Ranger is 35, my Necro is 30 and my Mesmer near 20…I think I will stick with Guard/Ranger though as my mains, since they are the true supports, if not just make an Engineer which had kittentons more support than the Elementalist.

I am just returning to GW2 and Ele was my main and only maxed character, I loved it. I left when they nerfed the arcana build with the blast roll. I really only played that build about a month before they nerfed it, but was in love with it. I normaly main healing roles and that spec allowed me to do so, which is why I liked it. Being support heavy staff wielder is a decent replacement, but a bit boring. I am really looking for a faster paced support style, ( I wish S/D or D/D had more fields). shrug

I really need some inspiration for a new build, will be visiting your youtube videos today!

In order to do this they would have to up the duration of some combo fields, I already have a hard time casting a field then switching elements to get to a finisher and having it go fast enough to finish the combo. Most of the time it is just too slow, the field is already gone.

Sounds cool though. I always had this type of thing in mind when I first read about GW2 and the combo system. It didn’t turn out as cool though.

TBH, I miss healing. There is a ton this game does right. But, there are just some players who don’t want to spend time looking for ways to increase their dps numbers. Combo all I want as an Ele, I am still not a healer. I miss being a healer. It is the one thing that will drive me away from this game, every time I attempt it. I just….don’t like damaging enemies. Combos only go so far before I am just….facemashing to output dps.
To each their own, I know. There will be one come soon enough, and I will not be here to harp about it anymore, don’t worry.

Xenon.4537:

Efaicia.3672:

I don’t know about the best game ever, it is certainly good with exploration and puzzles, but it falls short after those things are finished.

I am currently standing all alone staring at group events that are impossible to solo. Which is fine with me, but ..there is no one around….

On one hand, you might want to consider if it’s your server’s prime time. It’s 9:44 AM here on the east coast US. I play on Dragonbrand and it usually gets hopping around 5PM my time.

On the other hand, Anet could definitely ramp up the rewards for doing events. Right now they give such mediocre silver and karma that people seem to only do them to complete a daily or if they happen to be leveling. There’s no incentive for any of my 6 level 80s to do any event besides Jormag, SB, Shatt, etc because of the rare item, and because those events are stupidly easy. They definitely could do some work on the dynamic event system. The challenging ones are unrewarding and the rewarding ones are unchallenging.

I definitely understand about prime time playing and how it makes the game better. My point is, why are there group events during slow periods when there is absolutely no one around? It just makes it to where anyone who might not get a chance to play during prime time, or who’s days off are mid week can’t play, or are blocked from nearly every area they try to go by events they have no chance in hell of doing.

Does Anet only want 9am-5pm weekends off players, because yeah, that’s an awful lot of players they are turning away.

I don’t know about the best game ever, it is certainly good with exploration and puzzles, but it falls short after those things are finished.

I am currently standing all alone staring at group events that are impossible to solo. Which is fine with me, but ..there is no one around….

I was ridiculously addicted to the Halloween jump puzzle. I even had guildies offering to do it for me. I was OBSESSED. I beat it though, and was incredibly gratified when I did. That gratification is what is lacking in this generations games. GW2 had it with the jump puzzles (that was the ONLY thing that provided it) but then …they stopped them shrug

I don’t log in much anymore. This game had 2 of my 3 favorite things in these games : Puzzles, Exploration. Since completing those 2 things, I don’t have much desire to play.
I really do wish they would put in more difficult puzzles.

Maximillian Greil.1965:

oh come on, it’s not that big a deal. It’s not like there’s only one build for ele.

No, it was a build that allowed for a fun style of play. I didn’t use strictly staff, in fact the only time I really ever put a staff on is if I was in a group that was lacking a ranger for their water field. Instead I used scepter/dagger while soloing and d/d while running events with zergs, and the build was great for all those weapon types. because it was incredibly fun, decent damage, tons of utility and tons of supporting. Now that has been denied and I am forced into nothing more than a yaymashbuttonsfastasIcan! spec (damage) with d/d and have nowhere NEAR the utility I was able to provide before, as I have been forced out of that spec due to being fairly useless in it as I played before. In addition to being forced into another set of gear as the spec I am now forced into needs completely different stats. That is the big issues. I would have eventually made the spec I am in now, but this was far too premature and I could not have done it without breaking myself, which was why I was waiting.

Cab.6142:

This is my first post and I’m new to Anet games, but I’ve played since launch as Ele main. I must say I’m disappointed with these changes and the way they played out. I saved my gold, my tokens, etc and looked into what build I wanted… did research and put in time farming to get things the way I wanted before I decked myself out in exotics. Not to mention I was playing a build I finally found fun + effective. Not long afterwards, this happens.

I’m now broke… no dungeon tokens left, half my gold gone on items/sigils/upgrades I’ll probably end up changing. I hate when the rules are changed on me in the middle of a game, so to say the least I’m frustrated. Where is my option to turn back in these dungeon pieces I just bought? Or to remove these expensive sigils without destroying my expensive weapons? Right… I have no recourse, I just have to suck it up, accept the losses I’ve taken, and work 2x as hard to get my character back where I want him again.

Or I can play an alt… or another game.

This was my complaint, I guess I didn’t word it as effectively as I got trolled. I had to clean out everything in my bank to gather enough money for a new equipment set for a new build, rendering every single bit of my progress I had made on my main character to this point meaningless. I did what they wanted though, I sold off everything. My bank is cleared out. I have an entire new equipment set for the gold that netted. Now I have no interest in playing. Why should I? the second I am comfortable in the new build I created and have broke myself to put together the equipment set that compliments it they will find more “bugs” to “fix”.

As someone with very limited play time I cannot afford to do this over and over again. limited play times means I want to log in and have fun doing what I enjoy doing.. you know, Jump puzzles, Exploration, Leveling an alt, Playing with friends, Crafting. If I play by the rules they seem to want me to play by I will have to log in and do nothing but mindlessly grind for gold and materials so I can build more gear sets. Sorry, not something I enjoy doing.

Later GW2.

Just get her a razor naga use the numkey pad as the 12 at her thumb then she can set 1-4 as her attunements and hit them like it is second nature.

Strang.8170:

Efaicia.3672:

The relevance is how useless my class/spec became over night because Anet thought a spec was too powerful, nerfed it to the ground thereby bottoming out every inch of progress I had made with my character.

You seriously think My complaint is about the Karka damage?

That was rather bad example to give though, since as i said blast finishers wouldn´t reduce karka damage one bit. It would only make healing up sligthly faster.
There´s plenty of valid places where the nerf destroyed playstyles though, i´m not denying it.

My gear became useless because the spec i geared for was useless. useless gear = useless character. Don’t treat me like I havent been on these forums about ele since day 1.

Strang.8170:

Efaicia.3672:

I logged in today to give it another whirl.
Went to the island with a new spec that had gobs of toughness through earth and some damage with fire and air and still manage 10 points in water to give myself a boost in hp.

first encounter;
1 Karka. Took me to 10% health in one hit (it’s basic attack), hit earth cantrip then my heal, was in fire so I stacked what I could of might and did some decent damage, with everything on CD I went to earth, #4, #5, mob is up, #2 to shield and auto attack ..I was at 10% health again at the end of the fight.

One mob. One. Single. Solitary. Mob.

I vent my frustrations to my guild. I am told to sell everything I have in my bank, in storage..everything.. to gather money to re-gear myself with the stats I need. At this point I am heartbroken and frustrated that everything I had worked for and accomplished on this character was completely worthless, even my stores in my bank. Because I have to completely re-gear, weapons and jewelry and runes and sigils included. Everything I own on this character is worthless now.

Simply because Anet thought blast finishers on a class dependent on comboing were too powerful?

I am ONLY here because of my guild. I will play with them when they are on. I will give no more of my money to Anet. My monthly `fun` money will be better spent elsewhere.

I fail to see how this is relevant to discussion really, karka damage doesn´t change even with blast finishers there.

But incase you want advice, magnetic shield. They pretty much suicide with their ranged volley.

The relevance is how useless my class/spec became over night because Anet thought a spec was too powerful, nerfed it to the ground thereby bottoming out every inch of progress I had made with my character.

You seriously think My complaint is about the Karka damage?

I logged in today to give it another whirl.
Went to the island with a new spec that had gobs of toughness through earth and some damage with fire and air and still manage 10 points in water to give myself a boost in hp.

first encounter;
1 Karka. Took me to 10% health in one hit (it’s basic attack), hit earth cantrip then my heal, was in fire so I stacked what I could of might and did some decent damage, with everything on CD I went to earth, #4, #5, mob is up, #2 to shield and auto attack ..I was at 10% health again at the end of the fight.

One mob. One. Single. Solitary. Mob.

I vent my frustrations to my guild. I am told to sell everything I have in my bank, in storage..everything.. to gather money to re-gear myself with the stats I need. At this point I am heartbroken and frustrated that everything I had worked for and accomplished on this character was completely worthless, even my stores in my bank. Because I have to completely re-gear, weapons and jewelry and runes and sigils included. Everything I own on this character is worthless now.

Simply because Anet thought blast finishers on a class dependent on comboing were too powerful?

I am ONLY here because of my guild. I will play with them when they are on. I will give no more of my money to Anet. My monthly `fun` money will be better spent elsewhere.

Now that you have brought it to their attention they will remove those lines of coding giving us a leap finisher. They will make the ability match the desription of course. Great.

I’m sorry. But it is just funny at this point. Is Anet seriously just ignoring all of this? Do they still refuse to do anything about it? Are they going to wait until there are 0 people playing Ele as a main class/character?

Maybe they didn’t want any specific class building what could be considered “support” and playing it as such. Maybe all the combos were supposed to remain a mystery and a fun “Oh..looky what happened!” moment and we are all supposed to play facemash DPS toons with effects happening all by themselves. Who freaking knows, but the classes who get the most love are the ones who are played as just a fashmash dps class. The classess who are ignored and nerfed into the ground are the ones fighting for a little bit viability through strategizing with the games mechanics. Seriously we need to be just a bunch of mindless mush players and maybe they will buff us because our damage is too low compared to any other class.

Which will just end with me leaving as I find mindless dps a complete and utter bore and will go to a game that makes me think.

Spoon.3826:

ThiBash.5634:

The thing I dislike most about all of this is how bitter I’ve become about the game. Between the needless ascended gear stat increase, the removal of Evasive Arcana and the one-time event grind for a best-in-slot accesory, I’m actually considering asking for a refund as well. Something I never thought would happen.

Refund aside (which is kind of silly at this point) I so agree with this. I’m seriously considering to just stop playing the game and only keep the fun memories. Cause right now all I am getting out of GW2 is frustration at Anet.
The devs don’t communicate, they don’t have a clue what they are doing with the elementalist. They just don’t care
So why should we?

The only reason I still have this game on my Desktop is because of my guild (I love them! <3)
However I have renewed my Tera account and am goofing off on my Mystic Tons of fun! I am addicted (again) to dungeon running and healing in that game.(don’t think I’m going to take it into end game as it is just broken with lag atm)

Finishers have been bugged for a while now. It is jsut now becoming more obvious since people are looking for it.

Finishers will randomly.. just not trigger. If I am duoing with a ranger, abilities of mine with blast finishers should always trigger aoe healing in their water fields. Especially when they run to me and plant it on me then run away. ..oh well. This entire class and it’s over dependancy on mechanics no other class cares about is broken, and only getting worse with each patch.

nvmvoidrays.2158:

yes, i’m keeping EA.

the dodge roll survivability from water is still good. i’m apparently the only person in the entirety of GW2 that read the healing ripple change too.

NO, I saw that as well, was another reason for me to be depressed about this class.

I felt pretty useless with it last night in the group I ran with some guildies. There is no point to it. I am quickly running out of reasons to play. If every class is just a dps rotation spam with support being an unintended lucky happenstance when certain abilities fall together, then I am beginging to think this game is not for me.

After I finished with my guild group I went to a dungeon in Tera last night with my Mystic. Apples and Oranges, I know. But GDI I had fun.

TheDaiBish.9735:

francisling.2987:

Yea, that’s it! That’s the problem Pukknub, Would love to see a bit more teamwork going on! Everyone playing their favorite roles and actually be useful in it. It’s a mmo after all.

But anyway, I do understand the general difficulty of finding a tank or a healer, and on that, Anet has it in the right path!

That’s the thing. Given the right mechanics, you can have teamwork WITHOUT the Trinity as well.

Which was why I was so happy with the combo’s and the whole reason I wanted to play Elementalist, however when other classes are allowed to be completely oblivious to such mechanics then the teamwork just isn’t there. It then becomes all about making sure I have my fields where other players just happen to be and hope they use a usefull ability to help keep themselves alive. <—- doesn’t happen very often as, like I said, other classes are allowed to be clueless and just do not need the teamwork mechanics in this game.

JunkyardWolf.4126:

@Efaicia.3672:

There are already quite a few MMORPGs that cater to exactly the play styles you described, and several of those games are still going strong today with healthy player communities and development. It’s not as if you won’t get what you want if it’s not provided in GW2. Quite the contrary, you (and people like you who enjoy those play styles) have MANY options, certainly many more than those of us who don’t.

In short: You already have what you want. Let the remainder of us have what we want.

And stop trying to make every MMORPG adhere to the same old formula when your wishes (and that same formula) are already being catered to by the vast majority of games in the genre.

Maybe You misinterpreted , as I stated that I am happy there are outlets for both styles of play and that I would continue to play this game off and on and support it in that way, however I still enjoy the trinity style and will play those as well. I hope that the trinity style games will be given the same respect as I have tried to provide with my post.

I am sorry if I misspoke and made you think I demanded anyone change this game to suite me.

A lot of people are happy to break free from the Holy Trinity and to be honest I am happy that a developer has provided one, I will always play this game off and on, but I am one of those who likes healing and support and so will not be as rewarded as a straight dps player in this game. I like the synchronization of having class specific roles as well. It is just frusting to me when developers try to blur the lines so much between classes with the “everyone can do everything” thinking that no one is allowed to excel over any one else with any particular job. I Loved being an incredible healer. I know my husband Loved being an incredible aoe tank, Just like his partner Loved being the best single target tank, and I know there are other who Loved excelling above other classes with damage.

I really don’t understand the need to trash the Holy trinity, although providing options is not a bad thing, there are games that provide what others want, I just hope those others don’t go to games that release with the Holy Trinity model and demand they change it.

Black Moon.8540:

i know area net has to think about the bigger groups and all. But what about people with work and school, is there anyway we could be in it :C i dont wanna miss a boss

Don’t feel bad. I never get to see any events as I am a casino employee and work every weekend and holliday known to man =) This is with any game ever.

I actually praise them when they do the odd weekday event (mon-thu) as those are most frequently the days my off days fall between.

OMG! my Ele is way more powerful than my Ranger!

This game is amazing for the exploration and interaction with other players in the open world. I love so much about it, which is why I am still here, even though I am in a rut with my main character and can find no reason to log her in. Just to grind in a zones I hate for gear that is unattainable for my casual play hours. shrug ..at least I am liking my alts. I am so impatient for new lands to explore…100% the map is fun the first time…

Kill an Enemy to get a reward?? WTF is this an MMO???
JFC people stop it now, you are going to ruin my TP game.

I think the same would be accomplished if the materials and or items were account bound. That way everyone would have to do things themselves instead of buying their legendaries.

Latinkuro.9420:

You don’t seem to grasp what we are trying to tell you either,

the ele is a scholar profession, yes the core mechanic for it is the game wide combo fields and finishers mechanic, but that is their strong point no other profession has such access to those as ele’s do. you should be happy actually, I myself as a warrior only have access to 1 fire field and 2-3 blast finishers, 1-2 leap finishers, 1-2 whirl finishers.

Still, what you say is understandable from an ele’s point of view but, than again you chose that profession and that IS their bread and butter !

on a different note:
I have an ele alt as well, and the only weapon that requires this much field and finisher interaction to be viable for solo play is the staff….!
maybe if you switched to a more solo oriented weapon you wouldn’t have so much trouble soloing, and yes I know you said it’s about all professions being on equal footing but than again you don’t see me asking for stealth or banish or symbols do you ?

I solo with S/D …you need to stack might with that as well. I have never used staff to solo for a great length of time as it is very slow feeling. It has it’s place but for me that is not soloing.

The Elementalists mechanics are the elements and attunements, just as the mesmer is the mirror images, and the necro has the undead pets. The elementalist mechanics is not comboing, that is a game mechanic, and if other classes are not going to be equally dependent on them they then need to reduce the elementalists’. Or they can bring the other classes up, as most would agree, Ele is one of, if not THE most fun class in game. I just don’t see why so many fight so vehemently to stop them making other classess as interesting.

Forget it, you are missing the point still. It is not that the ele is too difficult or that i dont like it, it is that it is the only class in the game so dependent on game mechanics. It is not the switching of attunements, it is not the low hp, or the different strats with different weapons, it is not any of those things, it is the fact that it is the only class in game that NEEDS to use the game-wide mechanics even to solo. If they were specific mechanics to the Ele then it would be understandable, but these are game wide mechanics that ONLY the ele is forced to NEED to know. If you all are still going to treat me like I do not know how to play the Ele then I just don’t know what to say. It is not the Ele that needs fixing (other than the list of known bugs) it is the other classes that need to NEED the game mechanics as much as the Ele.

Xenesis.6389:

Not sure what’s fired you so much about combo fields, I take them to be bonus fields. Combo fields mostly come from aoeing, Elementalist being one of the better aoe classes have access to more of it then other classes. Warriors are not really an aoe class, other than using the bow with fire fields, being that he’s a “bulldozer” I doubt he even plays range then, their strength is more with support with banners and shouts when it comes to “comboing”, but that’s for buffing other people. So not really a fair comparison.

Elementalist don’t need to monitor every combo field in order to function, and I look at it as being bonus damage or conditions elementalist provide for other classes. Most of your fields other than water should be dropping on the mob anyways so most people would be taking advantage of them anyways.

You are deliberately ignoring the point. I am not talking about running with a zerg with a staff. I am talking about simple soloing. How many times did we see threads about how horribly weak Ele’s are in the Ele forums? Just until recently when people have started to figure out the combos has it lessened. Staff? was regarded as completely useless until very recently when people discovered combos. No matter what you say, or how you close your eyes to it. If the mechanics are made to be so game breakingly important to one class they should be that way for every class. If they are going to leave Ele’s like this then it is only balanced that every class have the same learning requirement. It should be an intricate part of every classes play from the beginning Not just the Elementalist.

Levetty.1279:

Efaicia.3672:

dirtyklingon.2918:

ele is quite good as is afaict. it’s just not a typical fire mage/nuker class as in other games.

try playing the class for what it is, rather than your preconceptions based on wow/eq/wowclones and i think you’ll find the class is very powerful and fun to play.

alternatively there are other classes that have similar feel and style to typical nuker/mage classes in other games. at least far more so than ele.

i would not expect this patch to change them into the stereotpyical wow clone fire mage nuker by any means.

I am quite aware of what Ele is, I expected not your typical cloth class, and I got that, my issues lie elsewhere. So please don’t bring me your generic “Ele isn’t your WoW fire mage” (Never played it btw)

What does bother me is when I ask my husband in all seriousness “What fields do you have?” his honest answer is “What is a field?” because that is how much other classes need/care about comboing. Which is far and away unbalanced that one class is non functional without them when every other class could care less about them.
I am not asking for a buff, or anything else. I am asking that they make the Game-Wide mechanics equally important for all the classes so I am not forever explaning them as the only class who needs to pay attention to them.

As far as the rest, the list of bugged and broken abilities for Ele is extensive, and yet again ignored. Yes, that does bother me.

Everybody has to learn about fields and combos if they want to do well in in dungeons/tPvP/organised WvWvW groups. So I presume you meant that Eles have to learn it for leveling? That is just one of those things, not all classes are equal in open world PvE because of the way they are designed.

See, that’s where you are wrong. My husband has been lvl 80 and fully geared with his choice of dungeon armor for quite some time now, not to mention a bulldozer in pvp. You can plug your ears all you want the truth remains though. No other class is as dependent on combo’ing just to function with the smallest of things as the Ele.

All these outfits look amazing! I just wish they had something DIFFERENT!
Some dank dark cave somewhere left enexplored, where a giant horrible beast is gaurding an item the likes of which has yet to be seen! daydream

I use them all dependant on what type of mood I am in. Or If I am in a group, what the class set-up is and what everyone is bringing to combo with. They are all effective in thier own right when played how they are meant to be played.

dirtyklingon.2918:

ele is quite good as is afaict. it’s just not a typical fire mage/nuker class as in other games.

try playing the class for what it is, rather than your preconceptions based on wow/eq/wowclones and i think you’ll find the class is very powerful and fun to play.

alternatively there are other classes that have similar feel and style to typical nuker/mage classes in other games. at least far more so than ele.

i would not expect this patch to change them into the stereotpyical wow clone fire mage nuker by any means.

I am quite aware of what Ele is, I expected not your typical cloth class, and I got that, my issues lie elsewhere. So please don’t bring me your generic “Ele isn’t your WoW fire mage” (Never played it btw)

What does bother me is when I ask my husband in all seriousness “What fields do you have?” his honest answer is “What is a field?” because that is how much other classes need/care about comboing. Which is far and away unbalanced that one class is non functional without them when every other class could care less about them.
I am not asking for a buff, or anything else. I am asking that they make the Game-Wide mechanics equally important for all the classes so I am not forever explaning them as the only class who needs to pay attention to them.

As far as the rest, the list of bugged and broken abilities for Ele is extensive, and yet again ignored. Yes, that does bother me.

ZeroStatic.2176:

Efaicia.3672:

ZeroStatic.2176:

Sigh Mesmers with the fewest changes again.

I hope this time they’ll actually fix trait / skill bugs for the mesmer rather than just nerf stuff again.

What do you mean mesmers with the fewest changes? The Elementalist get none, zero, zip, nada. Even though we are The Only Class which is overly dependant on Game Mechanics, to the extent that we have to learn them just to be functional, whereas other classess can go to the top of end game (dungeon gear, legendaries and PvP ranks) without even knowing what a field is, or what finishers they bring.

Not to mention our massive list of bugged and non-functional abilities. ..seriously, at least your class is functional.

You claim they get zero changes, which implies that either:
1.) They get zero changes in other patches.
2.) They get zero changes in the coming patch based on the impromptu interview.
In case of the first:
Ele changes in at least three October patches, these can all be found in the Announcements section of the forums.

In case of the second:
The OP states mesmer had the fewest changes. If Ele’s truly got zero this statement would be false.

So I’m not entirely sure what you’re getting at here.

In the coming patch is what I meant.
Yes, I am annoyed, not at you, at the fact that I always choose (seemingly) the most broken and kitten (kitten is kittened? o.O)classes in games, this game has me at my wits end when I learned how brainless other classes get to be whith how they are played compared to how MUCH an Ele has to worry about. It is ignored to no end, Why are Elementalists the only ones who need to think about game-wide mechanics?
Be thankful that you have one of the better functioning classes that evidently is more deserving of balance passes.

ZeroStatic.2176:

Sigh Mesmers with the fewest changes again.

I hope this time they’ll actually fix trait / skill bugs for the mesmer rather than just nerf stuff again.

What do you mean mesmers with the fewest changes? The Elementalist get none, zero, zip, nada. Even though we are The Only Class which is overly dependant on Game Mechanics, to the extent that we have to learn them just to be functional, whereas other classess can go to the top of end game (dungeon gear, legendaries and PvP ranks) without even knowing what a field is, or what finishers they bring.

Not to mention our massive list of bugged and non-functional abilities. ..seriously, at least your class is functional.

OP, why does your link take me to a pvp thread? o.O I am guessing that if i dig through it I will see patch notes mentioned by soemone in passing? /confused.

Yay for a different link.

And…Elementalists are still going to be overly dependant on as well as the only ones caring about game mechanics it seems.

No, as the only class in this game that is actually forced to be aware of and learn about the games mechanics, it is the other classes who are broken, as they are allowed to be completely oblivious to the games mechanics for the duration of thier play.

ManyTailedFox.8973:

Eh, I don’t like the idea of everyone having to pitch in on healing. Main reason? No one DOES, it seems. I don’t always run with the same guys, but either way I always end up getting stomped out in small skirmishes and having to be picked up after the fight’s done, even trying to deal damage and situation heal.
I guess I’ll just have to grit my teeth and deal with it til the end. Everyone says it gets better then. Let’s just hope so.

I’ve discovered the majority of players with different classess (with the exception of maybe the mesmer or the engineer) don’t even know HOW to trigger these heals, or even what type of finishers they have…or fields for that matter, with my regular group, I have had to figure out who had what and tell them. It is just not that important to the way thier class is played. Which is broken if you ask me. shrug

Try this when you want to heal. Go 30 into arcana for Evasive Arcana. Next time you see someone needing heals toss up a water field and roll around in it (dodge). You can even roll around in other water fields (rangers have the only other one I believe). Remember though, any blast finisher will trigger massive aoe heals when used in water fields. We aren’t the only ones with blast finishers so make your team aware that you are putting up a water field and to use thier blast finishers in them for some healing.

You don’t have to use Evasive Arcana as we do have a plethora of blast finishers with other weapon sets (scepter/dagger) and if you run with some rangers they can provide the field to use them in.

We cannot singlehandedly keep a party alive, but we have the tools to make healing powerful as a group effort. This is afterall the entire piont of this game..group effort, no one class able to carry others.

I want to make one. To hell with Quaggans.