Guild Wars 2

DevonCarver.5370:

Okay, so after much hard work and no small amount of wizardry we are going to get this in for today. We were unable to get the leaderboards fully set up to indicate the matchups, so there will be a disconnect there, but you will see your matchups once you log in.

Shouldn’t you of had all this worked out before promising it?

Maybe you should analyze with detail the changes you think will work for the longevity of GW2 as a whole?

It seems your hasty decisions to satisfy might ultimately leave them dissatisfied in the near future once the repetition factor of the maps, layouts and weekly long grind come into play.

Pat yourselves on the back for actually getting it to where it’s at!

But there’s a long way to go… (forum mod you can delete this now since I made a bad comment)

Is it me… or has the general excitement for WvWvW left the building?

I haven’t touched GW2 for a couple of weeks now… going on week 8 of the same match ups. Still winning by 100k… Not to mention same maps… and usually same keep

Sleepyy.1598:

Go to SoS. I’d love to see the server make a comeback.

SoS doesn’t need help from another server hopper guild.

If anet knew how to code a formula correctly, we’d be back in tier 1 after winning 8 straight weeks in a row by almost 100k.

SoS wins like every other high tier server, population during off hours.

Anet is pretty screwy when it comes to game balance.

I don’t think they actually play their own game, they’re too busy fixing it.

1. WIPE the RANKS again.
2. Implement a 1 up and 1 down system.
3. Detach the borderland maps from EB.
4. Keep EB a weekly game.
5. Take the detached borderlands maps and make them daily randoms.
6. Add more maps later for the daily random rotation.
7. Get rid of the [outmanned] forever in WvWvW.
8. 1 man out, 1 man in. Always a balanced playing field.
9. No queue waits with added daily random maps.
10.Cure boredom, staleness and end-game with these changes.

The players know what’s best for what they want to play… Anet might need to spend more time playing their game then actually changing it for the worse…

The foolish mistake of releasing time limited areas with expiration dates is a bad move.

You keep your player base interested by releasing expansions with multiple dungeons that don’t go away.

This also brings in…

1. New players interested in the new expansion.
2. Old players that are returning for the new content.
3. Keeps your existing player based satisfied and not bored with end-game.
4. Anet generates revenue from expansions instead of relying on gem sales.
5. Won’t have to make bad decisions for the game based on revenue generated from gem sales.

Chewy.9263:

What server is RE transferring from?

Which time?

When I was in their guild they had some screwy leadership with egos.

I hope they don’t come to SoS.

Not that I play anymore, but at least they won’t have to deal with yet another server hopper guild.

1 man out, 1 man in

Yeah it’s great they’ve finally listen to the players and changed up the matching system.

But there’s still a few things they should consider before finalizing their decisions.

1. With the new match ups comes new rankings, start by wiping the rankings again.
2. Implement a 1 up, 1 down system that will take care of any “precise formula” issues.
3. Implement or change the weekly reset to a daily, or add daily maps.
4. Remove the 3 extra borderlands from EB and convert those to dailies.
5. Implement a 1 player out 1 player in system.
6. Implement new maps.
7. Or create a random map generator that randomizes objects, paths, terrain, layout within coded parameters?

It’s easier for all servers to populate and compete in a daily reset, it’s fair, balanced and not as dependent on full coverage all the time every time 24/7.

This will allow you to remove the [outmanned] from WvWvW. With the added daily maps along side EB, it should help the overflow of population.

Variety is the spice of life… it’s also the spice of longevity for mmos… WOW is still going strong because of new content, you can’t get around that.

Tiers mean nothing anymore…

I guess we’ll have to wait a few months before they figure out it’s not working.. yet again.

Just like the first ranking formula…
Just like the second ranking formula…
Just like waiting for culling to finally be fixed…

Seriously… only thing that will change is the new match ups… which will get old on day #2.. when the excitement of facing two different servers fades away… and you realize they are just like any other server on reset night… full… like a daily game would be.

The changes going in now will only change up the match ups, but will not fix all the other on going issues. It really doesn’t matter who you’re playing if you’re playing in the same place, day after day, week after week, month after month.

Once a game reaches a point total that seems out of reach for a server, it will no longer be worth playing for that entire week. Which will usually extend past that do to inactivity.

It’s pretty simple, we get bored of maps we’ve played for 10 months straight.
It gets old playing coverage wars for a week long battle.
It doesn’t do the game any good knowing that the server with the highest population closest to 24/7 is #1.

Anet really better think about how much effort they put into these changes, hope this isn’t another fractals system that got screwed up at the beginning… and didn’t recover from the fall out…

1. Wipe the ranks.
2. 1 up 1 down system.
3. Separate/remove the other 3 borderlands from EB and make EB a week game.
4. Take the removed 3 borderlands maps and make them dailies.
5. Add more daily maps.
6. Cure boredom.

Match ups are only 1/2 the issue.

The other half are maps and a week long unbalanced coverage war.

Remember its 1 v 1 v 1…

Even if you’re ranked #1…

And you face #5 and #10…

They could go 2 v 1… then what?

Better then #1 vs #2 vs #3 for 6 weeks in a row because they all have off hours coverage while everyone’s asleep all week long…

They haven’t resolved the boredom of the stale maps, week long battle for 24/7 coverage…

Sure the new match ups will be fun for the first week, seeing a couple new servers… but most servers know how to play by now… it’s all about who has the bigger numbers.

Especially in Tier 1 and 2… it’s just about who has off hours coverage while everyone else is sleeping for 8-10 hours. A lot of destruction can take place… times that by 7 days for the week.. and you have your easy winners.

If you really want to solve the issues of WvWvW.. you also have to look at implementing a daily map… along side or replacing the week long battles… this balances the playing field.. and keeps it exciting everyday… instead of just friday night.. reset night…

Either having a weekly and a daily game .. or switching to just a daily game… and introduce some new maps… this is what will cure boredom.. and the replay ability of a 10 month old game…

I hope they addressed this issue to.

If they think fixing the broken matching system is all that needs to be done, they’re in for a rude awakening.

I hope they have new maps, especially a daily map…

Some servers can’t, won’t and will never have enough to compete in a week long battle of 24/7 coverage… but all servers can be competitive in a daily map…

The devs better not screw this one up to… you can’t bring back all the great players by shuffling up some match ups…

Are they planning on wiping the ranking system too? Like they did last time with their precise formula?

It seems that this may all be just another smoke and mirrors show.. that fades off in a week or two… and we’re right back where we are.. on the same maps… fighting for 24/7 hour coverage for a week long battle no one cares about… to compete…

:(

Raf.1078:

Best remedy for boredom in any game is to step away for awhile.

Boredom isn’t a game issue….its a “you” issue.

That’s exactly what EQ2, Rift, SWTOR, Warhammer Online and DAoC thought too…

If a game becomes stales it’s not the fault of the player… especially after 9 months of no changes…

Instead of thinking you know what’s wrong with people personally, maybe you should listen more and see why things are changing now? You think they’re implementing these changes because of people like you? Or people who care enough to complain about the situation and get changes done?

Do yourself a favor and do less thinking for me and more thinking for you.

Sharya.7465:

Get bored? This could be the solution

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Suggestion-WvW-Matchup-System-2-0/first#post2011470

It’s about time they listen to people who actually know how mmos work?
Players who have been playing mmos, wvwvw, rvr, pvp, pve for longer then Anet’s been around?
It’s good that it takes them months after discussion to finally get around to it.
It’s great that they finally see that their formulas are screwed up.
It only took 9 months, but heck there may still be people around to play.

It may be a little too late… I think people have moved on… as I have… I just come to this forum because it’s entertaining for a few minutes of my day… I’ve quit trying to improve this crappy kitten dev run garbage hole.

This is just Anet karma.

WvWvW is doomed.

frostshade.3617:

Energetik.6471:

After taking 1st place in the same tier for 6 weeks in a row, I’ve officially quit.

These devs continue to make mistakes time after time and wait too long to fix them.

See ya, have fun, was enjoyable while it lasted, but I’m officially out of here, like you care…

I agree no one cares that a kitten quit

You will care when there’s no one left to play.

Jski.6180:

At the end of the day if your truly bored with wvw only 9 months in ? then other games massive pvp is going to bore you to the same point it will just be the next new thing over and over always looking better.

This is the exact thinking that Everquest, DAoC, Warhammer Online, Rift and SWTOR took…

Where’s their population now?

Bury your head in the sand and see how far that gets you.

There is no leaked footage of the 200 man mega servers.
There is no leaked footage of WvWvW combat.
There is no leaked footage of the new combat system.
There is no leaked footage of how the new weapon system works, allows any weapon to be used by any class.
There is no leaked footage of using mid-action combat blocking.
There is no leaked footage of the no cool downs on spells and skills, promoting a combat oriented system.
There is only leaked footage of a few pve character creations and run arounds.
If they nail the WvWvW, it’s curtains for GW2…

They may have to wipe the rankings again, like back when they took away SoS’s crown.

And come up with a working formula that realistically reflects the progressions of servers.

They need to rethink their population issues, borderlands maps and other things players have brought up… or it will go from boredom to goodbye for most.

The only living story they should be concerned with right now, is the life of GW2.

Staying in the same tier and match up day after day, week after week, now month after month… grows stale, boring and over played.

Hopefully they get a daily WvWvW map going to help with this week long battle against the same people you just got done battling again and again and again and again and again…

Especially when your server is now winning by 100k a week… must really suck for the other two servers… day after day, week after week, month after month… get the point yet devs?

There needs to be a new ranking system and realistic representation of server progression rather then population battles amongst 4 separate borderlands during off hours…

Do you need TESO to open it’s doors before you get the point?

Separating servers by tiers which equates to whomever has the largest off hours population wins…

No need for a tier system in a daily WvWvW match up.
No need to change or add to the existing weekly WvWvW.
Give the daily map it’s own ranking system.
Giving each server a placement (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc.)
Then match them up according to their finish from yesterday’s match up.
Maybe having some sort of quarterly match ups or some sort of playoffs.
Reward the rankings with WvWvW gear and goodies.

Here’s why a daily WvWvW is good to have for variety and to help the end game factor.

When you log into a weekly WvWvW and see your server down by 20-50k it’s rather demoralizing and a lot of people just go about there business and find something more productive to do.

When you log into a weekly WvWvW and you see the same servers in the same tier, week after week, month after month… it get’s old rather fast and the replay value drops.

Having a daily WvWvW match up would solve a lot of problems and help revive a growing stale game board. There could be a variety of daily WvWvW maps, smaller, more combat oriented. No need for borderlands or the huge population to maintain a competitive effort.

Maybe just detach the borderlands from the weekly.. make them dailies and make EB the weekly only. Then there will be no need to populate 4 separate borderland maps.
Getting rid of the [outmanned]and off hours coverage issues.

Fair playing ground with balanced settings…

Well let’s hope they pull their heads out their kitten before there is no population left.

The only living story they’ll be writing will be a biographical of what was.

People get bored and leave for another game.
TESO being right around the corner this could be over soon.

The fact you win 4 weeks in a row and by over 100k gets rather old quickly.

Obviously these genius developers have screwed up yet another formula.

anyone else bored?

Waffler.1257:

Energetik.6471:

SBI goes back to the drawing board for today’s reset…

Let’s see what kind of rabbits they can pull out of their kitten today…

I would actually say it succeeded judging by the amount of QQ it generated.

Yeah maybe the kitten will learn their lesson and know that cheaters never win?

Keep supporting them though.

Did they fix the siege cap problem for today’s reset?

What’s SBI to do if they did?

SBI goes back to the drawing board for today’s reset…

Let’s see what kind of rabbits they can pull out of their kitten today…

Cheaters never win… even while being spied on, supply drained and siege capped…

Preacher.9018:

>spyingSpying was part of metagame, still is to a degree, and is entirely normal.

Cheaters will cheat.

Losers will lose.

Truth always comes out, might not be now, but eventually it always comes out…

you mean the spies go to sleep after midnight after their mommies put them to bed?

Siege capped and still winning… what does that tell you?

Spies are for people who resort on other people’s skill for their lack of knowledge.

Spies are those who have no answer of their own but use other servers morals against them.

Spies are self righteous cheaters that have nothing better to do then try to be like those who they are spying on.

Spies are wannabes.

Spies are dirty and will always be shunned by real gamers.

Spies are like people who use aa or hacks and justify it by saying, everyone does it.

Preacher.9018:

>spying

Spying was part of metagame, still is to a degree, and is entirely normal.

It’s morons like this that ruin the game.

They justify cheating anyway they can.

They are dirty players.

Most likely you’re being spy siege capped… which anet has no urgency to fix.

Simply limiting the amount a single player can lay down at one time on one map should be 1-3.

Commanders have unlimited.

Maybe make only siege dropped by Commanders in the keep refresh with view only.
If dropped by players they need a normal manual refresh.

Maybe tagging each siege with a name of who created it.

Problem solved.

It will probably take as long as it did for them to fix culling…

They obviously have been told for 2 weeks now and have done nothing about it…

Can’t wait until TESO comes out…

There needs to be a limit dropped by one person on the map at one time, maybe unless a commander who can have unlimited. Then if it’s a commander doing these things it’s automatic banning.

Please refer to photo evidence.

Fix this first.

Some servers have guild truces with other servers such as Dragonbrand and Yak’s Bend.

Direct contact via TS, Skype, Vent, etc. with guild leaders having truces and other communications.

This would clearly lead to the easy access of spying and cheating having visual access to the entire map view and chat log.

The ability to coordinate 2 v 1 all day long, week long and now month long seems a bit unbalanced and unfair. Especially when the current server is already [outmanned].

That could be as much as 2 v 1, 25+25 v 1 = 50 v 1 on any given borderlands.

I guess this game like most games, such as golf rely on your honesty and your gamesmanship.

Unfortunately some people take winning way too serious and will do anything to achieve such bragging rights.

But in the end not only does this ruin the game, but it tarnishes rankings in the minds of many.

WvWvW with the implementation of [outmanned] and being 1v25v25 and up to 4 separate borderlands makes it 4 v 100 v 100 total, has completely ruined the fair play and balance of the game.

The server with the highest population during off hours is ranked #1.

Zerg or be zerged.

A proposed solution would be to limit the map size.

The current map is large with a large overhead.

Might want to consider breaking the borderlands apart into separate games entirely.

Maybe keep the Eternal Battlegrounds as weekly, but making the others as daily with it’s own reward system.

This would solve a lot of issues but would require making smaller maps.

You fix the issue but not having the issue.

The [outmanned] should never exist in WvWvW.

MMOs are based on balance.

1v1v1

not 25v1v1
not 25v25v1
not 1v25v25
not 25v1v25

1v1v1

One man out, one man in.

Balanced.

The March 26th patch better fix this issue or you’ll have lopsided games forever.

giving any server a 25 man zerg advantage is just a poor decision.

mmos are all about balance.

SoS doesn’t play WvWvW anymore, maybe a few diehards…

Guild transfers, culling, skill/spell lag, [outmanned], rank wiping, lock transfers…

The dedicated players are starting to fade out…

The March 26 patch seems to be more geared towards adding little mini quests for guilds to do while the real battle is going on and they are losing towers left and right.

Poor decision after poor decision… This March 26th patch better come fully loaded or they’ll lose the last of what’s left.

Do people actually still play WvWvW?

int randInt return.7810:

It seems that much of the games population doesn’t wvw very much.
Why?

1.) The little white rabbits keep killing me.
2.] Tried once and couldn’t get out; had to delete that character. Never again.
C: I secretly resent everyone on my server.
IV The team colors make my character look fat.
5.) Waiting for the patch…
6.) Engies are too OP and scare me.
7.) No room for badges.
8.) Wait this isn’t wvw? Than what have I been playing?
9.) Needs more cowbell.
10.) I am actually an NPC and cannot leave Lions Arch.

1. Culling.
2. Spell/Skill Lag.
3. Random WvWvW Reset destroying progress/work/siege/current location.
4. [outmanned] up to a 25 man zerg x 4 borderlands.
5. Unbalanced servers, lopsided from the free transfers then locked at $20.
6. Highest population closest to 24/7 coverage on 4 separate borderlands wins.
7. Tier 1, Ranked 1, means nothing, wins nothing.
8. Removing siege for JP.
9. Nothing added, changed or improved since release.
10.No reward, motivation or reason to play, no longer fun in a lopsided game.

Pirhana.8935:

I would have considered this a while back but i think pretty much everyone is planning on moving to TESO’s 3way realm vs realm once it launches. Too many aspects about WvW didnt follow what made DAOC’s RVR so good. TESO looks to be following it alot better + its combat will get away from cool down timer hotbars and will have active blocking so combat is mor engaging instead of how it is now with just attack recklessly fast with no pauses between attacks or any kind of defense use or countering