Guild Wars 2

I came back tonight for some fun games after 2 months of break.
I took a look at the leaderboard and didn’t found myself since I didn’t played.
After 5 games, I’m ranked 50th.

How is this ladder working and how come it is possible to have this kind of thing happens ?
ps : some game were added from nowhere too

I only have one question :
When will Ncsoft budget some money to get this game esport ? Is it still planned after the false advertising at launch ?

Divinity.8041:

Sprawl.3891:

SuperHaze.4210:

Wolfheart.1938:

Divinity.8041:

I just hit rank 27 last night, and I was like…wtf am I doing? There are no rewards besides what ANET deems is cooler looking armor.

PvP for better gear, with a ranked system so my gear is not putting me at an advantage versus newer players…whoa wasn’t that simple?

I urge you to reread what you just posted, if you don’t notice a glaring issue with it just ask I’ll point it out.
P.s. Huge WoW E-sports League? I can’t say that with a straight face. Imbalance makes for great E-sport? You must be trolling me…

No one should have a gear advantage. That was what kept games like wow from ever becoming an esport. Why should a skilled player lose to a less skilled player because the less skilled player has more time to grind for the better gear? Skill is skill and that is what it should take to win. Anet just needs to build upon what they already have. Fix the bugs and make a few balance changes. Add some more game modes, ladders, etc. They have a great foundation for esports, but they lack core pvp elements that have already been discussed numerous times on these threads.

gear gaps were a complaint for bad players. Every season gave you plenty of time to max out your gear and then have time to climb the ladder even with limited play time. The only people who complained were the 1500 players who even if you gave them max gear at the start of the season, would remain 1500 players. Good players even made videos of playing in blues and still dominating teams in the 2k ranges who had full gear.

This is so true. Gear didn’t really matter. Because even by sucking and losing 10 games a week, you were only like a week or two in points behind the best players.

Skill>gear even in WoW. I don’t want people talking about PVP unless you were at least 2k+ which IMO was entry point for decent PVP.

If you play for #1 you need the BIS, and it was in pve when I played (s1-s7). (got illidan bow by selling glad, and I had to play with warglaves thieves even if they weren’t the best to win).
Yes you can get to 2k+ without stuff because it was the rating you get by pl or selling/buying.
The system was kitten and there were less competition than now in gw2 (stomp every team except only 1-10 of them in your bg and if you were lucky (like they weren’t doing pl/pve/waiting glad/didn’t stop after 1 loss) you could mb do some intense match.

As as multiple glad in wow I dislike the system, because at top it was :
Queue snipe/dodge, afk waiting for rewards, PL/Trade, selling rating etc.
The player base was “huge” you said, but the part that COULD do competitive pvp (i.e. pve trinket/illidan bow/dagger etc) was very small.

Deathmatch is stupid :
You focus this one, then it’s “micro”. No strategy it’s only tactics and teamplay and solo play. Yes it’s good in this way, but capture point offer more setup/less rock-scissor-paper and is more adapted to being competitive and esport.

There’s a counter to ele contest, but only one viable. And that’s … ele cantrips ! fight the evil with the same evil !
Or mesmer and thief.

More seriously, it’s stupid when you don’t have choice. It’s like when bug svanir and bug block was there, you don’t have any possibility, you HAVE to do the same or you’ll get countered.

As always i’ll just drop this here to reminds that it’s not only against gc that you can do this and it still needs to be fixed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbhdsF4oEI8

I agree with lowell about the importance of soloQ.
If the game want to be successfull, we need a larger player base (to attract them : tourney and $ are the keys + solo imo).

(Excuse me for my mistakes in english)
But we need to look at two kinds of players :
- Solo players that are looking for competitivity but doesn’t want to get involved in team, schedule, tournament etc.
For them, a solo Q is needed and I have nothing more to add than what lowell said.

- Players that are looking for a serious team and want to compete and are planning tournament etc. (we can’t forget them if we want to expands the teams base !)

I get many players looking for good teams, I can’t tell them where to go because I don’t know how good they are. Or if I want to recruit players for my teams :
How can I judge them ?
I have no tools to know where he belongs (which tier in the ladder)
So what’s left ?
Someone can vouch for him or he has some fame (video/reputation) that makes him worth of testing.

There’s a top player sphere/scene in every game :
These are the players lowell was talking about, you will only play with the players in this sphere and players vouched by players in the sphere.
So contact makes you enter the top teams scene.

This system is rotten, the scene won’t evolve, there are players (in gw2 e.g.) that are in this sphere but are less good than some players that don’t have contact or an opportunity.
If this game want to be esport, the competition needs to be everywhere, you can’t have top players that are there only because they had the opportunity to play with the right teams or had the right contact.

How can we help players to enter this sphere/scene to prove themself and join a team : they need a tool to rate them or an opportunity.

So yeah the soloQ will help this kind of players, but is it perfect and accurate ?
In solo game like sc2 if I want to join a team : I do a tournament, beat someone well known or do a good result. Then I can, and the team I’m aiming for, knows if I’m good enough or not. There’s nothing more to prove.

In team game, will the rating show my teamplay ? Will it show my game reading ? Understanding of meta ? etc.

So if the tool isn’t accurate enough they need opportunities :
Being the pick-up for a 4 premade teams in paid is an opportunity : you can prove yourself to players, you’re making people aknowledge your level and they can vouch for you.
If a player come to me and ask me to test him in game, I tell him I can’t. Why ? Because I’m lazy, I’m not spending my time and team’s time to help a stranger, and no one is. There’s no opportunity for him.
When a team split and recreate, who are the new player ? they are the one that are mixing with them. They mixe, they have the opportunity to prove themselves and then join the teams.
How do I look for someone to mixe with us ? I ask my contact if they know someone.

If I have the possibility to go in paid and the rating system find me someone to last spot, I will test indirectly this player, and then it follow the logic above.

Maybe this is a wrong idea but I don’t think there HAS to be a unique solo Q system. It is for some players, but for others, the one described by dev is better.

Either choice will hurt one kind of players, we needs tools to help both of them.

This problem only affect 10 teams ~~, while a good amount of players join and try paid.
Where was all the cheers and things about “let’s help the community grow” seriously ?

It’s a good thing, new team plays, we tried the new paid for two night and while the majority of games were easy for us, we met some teams that we met in the old tournament and new teams that gave us some trouble.
E.G yesterday around 5 matchs in 3 hours vs teams from old paids.
Last week, we could spend 3 hours in paid without meeting any big teams (there were 2 to 3 tournaments running at the same time in peak hours). We took 4 days to meet Team paradigm, your team only one or two time etc.

If you really wants to play against top teams, just do what we were doing before paid : sync, join 5v5 maps, and that’s it.
I’m happy of new paids system because it will help the community to grow and average teams can train and become better to fight top teams (there are alot of teams that I see each week becoming better).

Last thing :
Old paid : 9 matchs in 3 hours.
Now in 3 hours we can do 20 matchs.
PS: if you want to train and cg with top teams, you can, if you just want to farm qp like 90% of teams did before the new system, well i’m sorry.
BTW since when farming QP on a ladder where you CAN’T lose point is, a ladder and a skill indicator ?

If you have problem with lifeforce two tips :
1) at the start of the game (when it’s rdy time 10 sec left), summon a flesh golem and then switch the skill to deathshroud. You’ll get 10% lifeforce so you can DS.
2) If you rez and have no lifeforce, drop a reaper’s or putrid mark on you when you enter a teamfight, so if the thief open you, he’s fear or the venom is removed by the putrid mark and you can dodge (then frost).

Vs a d/d thief, if you are full life and have your cd (and ds up) you kill him when he jump on you.
First about your build take double wells like said above, in trait in curse take Terror(VI) and Weakening shroud(IV).
When he jumps on you, you have to be very fast : you have to look the damage, not the thief since he appears too late if he uses quickness : when you take 5-8k it’s a thief so react.
Death shroud -> tab (he isn’t visible so tab will target him for you), fear and dark path.
When dark path land, go out of deathshroud and dodge out.
At this point you should be at 40% hp, thief is frost and has 8 stack of bleed and is at 80% hp.

You have to keep one thing in mind :
You’re out of range, so you kill him by kiting.
Either he switch to shortbow and you win (heal and kill him) or he’ll try to get back in melee range.
He has two tools to do that :
Shadowstep (you can’t prevent that, just dodge and fear him with the reaper’s mark).
Heartseeker. When he is frost, heartseeker travel range is reduce by 66% (50% when cripple). So if you run away from him without cripple and he is cripple or frost, he can’t close gap.
Use your heal to remove cripple or putrid mark or deathly swarm (don’t forget this spell, it return the condition (cripple) to the thief and blind him so the heartseeker will miss and then you can kite).
When he heal himself and goes invis, use mark on him and keep one for you (you drop it on yourself), when the mark disapear it means that the thief is back on you, just dodge out and do frost mark or grasping dead and wait to see him goes visible and crippled.

Other tricks i use :
If you have nothing and feel kitteny, deathshroud when he jump on you, and use the third spell in deathshroud to weakness and cripple him, dodge out and go out of deathshroud and kite him.

If he switch shortbow and you have 2k hp, you can use deathshroud to win the seconds to get out of sight and heal yourself behind an obstacle (you can use marks without being in his sight, abuse this).

Use your wells when you have nothing, you don’t even need them to kill thief.

Use your deathshroud to break the fear if he’s on you and he’ll kill you.

still stuck. Seems like some team wont’ be able to play for some days, yeah, like there weren’t enough team already.

3 hours, soon 4. From what I heard, it happened on a previous patch to another team and they had to wait for 5 days, I hope you do something.

Same here … couldn’t play, stuck in roster

Stuck in tourney since 2 hours
Roster captain :
Dave.7268
Players
Eristina.5967
Rapiso.1486
Neptune.6481
Zym.3570

? i don’t understand your answer

2 hours and nothing changed

Before the patch, our tournament was bugged and we couldn’t enter khylo or leave the roster.
Right now, after patching, we’re still stuck in a roster, we can’t enter any games, can’t leave the roster and it’s written “tournament in progress”.

Any idea how to get out ? it’s been 1 hour that we can’t play because of that

Hi, could you change me (Eristina EU – necro section) to multi-class stream ? I switched to thief(mesmer is also my main) now and I change class often to try setup/adapt meta etc. Thx !

It’s been 2 months that we (Origine-online) don’t use a mesmer on close point.
If you want to play with a mesmer, you use strat that resolve around it, without it you have to adapt and change strat, but mesmer can be countered and we’re doing well against mesmer teams.

I’m main thief and I say thief is op and broken.
Vs gc Op showed us how thief kill him. To people who say take vita and thougness :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbhdsF4oEI8
^ 1.5 sec to kill a guardian, 2.5 to kill + stomp

I don’t understand the talk about only half team uses thief ? In EU except Team paradigm, every top teams uses a thief.

Why ? many reasons
Close point : it’s the only class that can kill ele bunker, and in the current meta if you can’t kill it, you lose close point (for people who don’t know, mesmer die vs ele semi-bunker).
Teamfight : you can’t kill anyone when your opponent has cd (as thief you can’t win in 1v1 vs an ele, and most classes), but when you’re in teamfight, you just need to wait.
E.G. As necro I don’t die when a thief open me and kill him if he 1v1, but I need DS and 100% hp and either fear mark or frost mark. In teamfight you can’t keep your DS cd and marks and stay 100% hp.

When thief is out of the teamfight you have to hit opponent team or defend yourself, you can’t just wait for thief. And when you start to dps someone (and you need to dps otherwise your team will lose), the thief can open you and instagibs you.

That’s why no teams run double thief, because you need someone to put pressure and then open, with double thief no one in your team will put pressure and they can wait and keep their cd.
Can you imagine the difference in pressure in teamfight when a team without thief has to play safe because if anyone drop below 80% and blow dodge, he’ll die and be stomped under quickness ? While the other teams is safe and can put as much pressure as they want.

But Anet can’t only nerf thief, if they do that, who will kill guardian/ele ? Mesmer spike can be avoided, necro condi is useless against shout/ele, warrior is good, trap ranger is good, ele dps, but they will take at least twice the time a thief need to kill a bunker. So bunker will be even more op.

that’s why thief uses macro, fix bug, fix ridiculous combo, and there won’t be any advantage of using a macro over normal players.

I don’t undertsand if you’re talking about pve or spvp, because you give pve arguments and the say that you can’t os with shatter anymore (so i guess it’s more pvp related ?).
In sPvP I don’t have any down time, you have to manage your phantasm and shatter and let them use auto-shot before shattering etc. Most mesmer I see just spam their shatter (f1-f2-f3) and then do nothing, it’s not how a shatter should be played.
Shatter spec is a spike spec. It means you do some damage and then spike. That’s where teamplay come, and having a necro who does constant damage is the perfect ally to mesmer. He pressure and you spike to death.
If you want constant damage you should play phantasm spec. Or hybrid if you don’t like the shatter spec.
In phantasm spec you should shatter when you have both phantasm cd up.
In shatter spec you have to construct your burst and unleash it at the right time. It’s one of the hardest profession that I play, but it gives me good result and I still think it’s too op (the recent nerf was just a reverse to release state of mesmer).

Kiriakulos.1690:

angryteen.2710:

Been reading claims on this forum to ‘not use Reanimator on Lupi’ lest grubs spawn on the jagged horror

So how many of you actually had it happen to you before?

I have Reanimator. I have full Arah set on my Necro, and a few stacks of unused arah tokens and this has NEVER happened to me, and i must have killed Lupi a few dozens times already.

Am i extremely lucky? Or just more baseless claims?

I know Reanimator sucks, but sometimes these claims go way overboard, another one i heard is that it gives people free rallies in PvP/WvW. Lol.

An enemy with vengeance or false life can rally off a jagged horror. There have been videos of it recently.

We lost a match in tpvp because of this. 3 down people, I make one stomp → jagged horror, opponent mesmer come and illusion of life both of them then go back to his point.
We were running saying : wait 10 sec then they’ll die.
My jagged horor die, and that remove the “vengeance buff”. We lost the teamfight because of that. Then they snowballed close and far point, triple capped and we were far behind and lost the match.

With a good condi build you can beat a guardian bunker in 1v1 in 1-2 minutes without boons strip. With boons strip it’s much faster.

http://www.twitch.tv/OoEristina Eristina Necro(EU)

Interesting, I’m testing with Deathly swarm. But it removes vulnerability and bleed from you, because it takes 3 stack :o.

I tested by using Grasping dead on an ele (criple, bleed). He used skill that remove condition, and he removed 50% of the time bleed, 50% criple.
But with frost and bleed it was different, it was more like 80% bleed and 20% frost. But i didn’t made enough test, so I have to make more test.

Hello,
I’m looking for some informations about condition removal skill mechanics.
After some tests, I have concluded that it’s random.
But I’m wondering if it’s normalised, are there some condition that has more than normalised chance of getting removed ?
E.G. If I have 3 conditions on my target, and my opponent use a skill that remove 1 condition, is it 33% chance of removing one of them ? Is refreshing a condition changing something ?

I’m looking for an answer/link/blog/article/vid where someone did little of empiric tests.

They fixed the bug exploit on shatter.
They nerfed an up that wasn’t needed.

Tenderly.7019:

Eristina.5967:

Troll thread :O
It’s nice to have NA point of view to in state of the game, because it’s overall and not only EU. It’s good for the community.
To answer to people what is the current meta in EU it’s :
EuroComp :
Guardian
Thief DD with macro
Ele
Necro
Shatter Mesmer (20/20/0/0/30)
Some teams plays with Ele double dagger tf, other go for bunker ele s/d, far point.
Necro condi/bunker or double weels carrion or power.

Some teams like the spanish one plays double ele, we play double guardian/ranger, but 95% of teams are playing the setup above.
Maybe because it’s the strongest one ? because it has the most broken spec in it (ele tank/thief dd).

That’s pretty standard everywhere, except you see 100b warrior more and staff ele less in NA

No one play warrior and/or staff ele in eu. Thief does a warrior’s job better, and s/d is much better than staff.

Troll thread :O
It’s nice to have NA point of view to in state of the game, because it’s overall and not only EU. It’s good for the community.
To answer to people what is the current meta in EU it’s :
EuroComp :
Guardian
Thief DD with macro
Ele
Necro
Shatter Mesmer (20/20/0/0/30)
Some teams plays with Ele double dagger tf, other go for bunker ele s/d, far point.
Necro condi/bunker or double weels carrion or power.

Some teams like the spanish one plays double ele, we play double guardian/ranger, but 95% of teams are playing the setup above.
Maybe because it’s the strongest one ? because it has the most broken spec in it (ele tank/thief dd).

We play with a semi-bunker guardian and a duellist guardian (close point). The majority of guardians play bunker because their strat need a bunker guardian. A different strat/setup will be more optimal with another kind of guardian.

Foehn.2489:

lvis.3824:

Eristina.5967:

The video was staged to show the bug, it’s not an actual in game footage, but thrust me it happened in paid tournament, that’s why we did research to know what was hapening.
I’ll make a resume of the video content because not everyone get it :
In a time windows of 1.5 seconds :
- 1.5 seconds is the duration of basilic venom’s stun.
- Thief is invisible (it’s ok for some class, but for necro, you can’t DS fear him and you’ll get an heartseeker with this exploit when other thief will be fear right after backstab).
- Does 4 skill in 1.5 seconds (clipping bug and haste make it possible).
- Does 17k damage to someone who has 3k1 armor.
- All this can be done using one macro, no skill required, high reward.

- Guard had no Aegis up which would have blocked at least 4k dmg
- Guard had several skills on cooldown and did not react at all, one dodge and ALL the attacks would have been avoided !
- C’n’d has a casting time, so you can see it
- if thief openes invis, he needs either his heal oder shadow refuge / blinding powder (3sec)
- if he stuns you he also used up his elite
- most likely he also used signet of shadows

so 2 utils + elite for 1 attack that can be AUTO blocked and dodged .. seems fair to me.

but thrust me it happened in paid tournament

-you should be aware of your surroundings, and your should communicate with your team to know where their thief is.

Legit answer, not trolling at all. Thief has to use elite and cast cnd to open. If first hit is blocked by aegis there goes the basilisk-poison elite. Like I said no class can bring another down in 1.5 seconds during 1v1 given equal player skills, let alone 5v5. This only happens during demonstration purposes (aka the video) or uneven player skill. Many many many decent players of all classes I’ve encountered can counter this if they know its coming. If they don’t then its usually a 2v1 ambush in which case they are helpless.

Again block-dodge-stunbreaker solves it completely. Climb the skill ladder.

Edit: I’m not necessarily saying it’s easy to counter, but given enough practice and awareness it is very much possible. Rendering the thief’s only the option is to escape and retry if not caught and killed, given how much he has to invest initially for that combo.

>> Like I said no class can bring another down in 1.5 seconds during 1v1 given equal player skills, let alone 5v5. <<
So, let’s take some examples from yesterday.
http://www.twitch.tv/ooeristina/b/351315942
Vod of paid tournament that I made yesterday.

Vs Super Squad (one of the top team in EU) :
2:52:57 we’re 2v2, one in down state in each side. Look how our thief kill the guardian in less than 1.5 (you can see that he is stun in middle air and he die before the stun duration end).
(The thief don’t use macro, only quickness and spam skill).

5:25:45 The opponent thief is far away, he shadowstep and steal (close gaps in less than half a sec).
The steal combo begin at 47 sec, purie (first player in QP in EU) is killed 1.5 sec later, I try to rez and he tries to fear, he is stomped before at 49.
The thief took 2.5 sec ~to kill and stomp.

Is it a problem of skilled player or a problem of design ? You have to do the same or you can’t stay at the top in EU (while in NA player complain about guardian …).

The real problem is that we need mesmer and thief to kill broken spec like ele tank or ranger.

EU ?
They pop 6/7 pm – 1 am gmt +1.

Archaon.6245:

Kylex.5962:

EvisceratriX.1750:

i came here to lelz, funny vid, guardian was just standing, that was pro move. gg

i dont know why i bother feeding the trolls but… it was “staged” as i said 3x+

AND

semi bunker is as it says. dont ask stupid questions. “whats glass cannon guys!?”

so actually a semi-buker guardian means a crappy guardian able to do pretty much nothing…..well…ok…now i understand why I sometimes meet guardians with no dmg and going down like stones into a lake, they’re semi-bunkers…cool..you learn something new everyday..

I am the semi-bunker guardian in the video. What does semi-bunker means ?
It means that you are a bunker guardian but with a little less defensive stats (18k hp instead of 20k in my build (keep in minds that I have the same armor, so a bunker guardian would have died to this)), but the ability to do much more damage.
Bunker guardian = guardian that hold point, deals near to 0 damage, and support his team.
Semi-bunker guardian = guardian that hold point and deals bruiser dps.
It is the choice of 30 points, one utility and runes set + weapons that make you either bunker or semi-bunker …

Kirei.1792:

but in theory u might be right… but practically UGHH so hard toooo hard.
but if Anet removes thief 1 shots then i don’t know what their usefull for.

Mobility shortbow + P/W.

The video was staged to show the bug, it’s not an actual in game footage, but thrust me it happened in paid tournament, that’s why we did research to know what was hapening.
I’ll make a resume of the video content because not everyone get it :
In a time windows of 1.5 seconds :
- 1.5 seconds is the duration of basilic venom’s stun.
- Thief is invisible (it’s ok for some class, but for necro, you can’t DS fear him and you’ll get an heartseeker with this exploit when other thief will be fear right after backstab).
- Does 4 skill in 1.5 seconds (clipping bug and haste make it possible).
- Does 17k damage to someone who has 3k1 armor.
- All this can be done using one macro, no skill required, high reward.

No one takes the sword cooldown reduction trait.

Hello,
Since the start of the game there has been a bug in thief. The one where he stays invisible for a short time after doing the backstab. It occured rarely and wasn’t a big deal, until it could be abused.

This post won’t be an how to, but more a knowledge spread, this bug exists and explain things. I didn’t understood what happened to me before, but now I do.
It’s kind of gamebreaking in sPvP because it makes some thieves stronger than others (adding 8k damage to their combo isn’t small, theses thieves aren’t limited to GC anymore they can OS everyone that don’t have protection AND armor).

Here’s a video showing it and some important things :
1) The clipping bug
The thief stay invisible after the backstab and can cast an heartseeker while being invisible/semi-invisible. What are the consequence ? 4 skill in the combo instead of 3 : it add an 8k heartseeker to their combo before being visible (so you can target him and fear him for example).
In the video, he does 17k damage on 3k1 armor while being invisible and me being stun from basilic venom.

To people who will say that this isn’t a bug :
Yes this is a bug, the backstab animation is CUT and makes all this possible in 1.5 second.

2) Time
Everything was done in 1,5 second.

3) Macro
It’s done by using a macro, the thief in the video used 1 key, 1 shortcut to do this while being invisible.

Some thieves are better at one shotting people being invisible than others.
I won’t explain how to do it, we took time to find it and reported it.
While waiting a fix it will makes people stop abusing it in sPvP or if they still do it, everyone will know what’s happening.

Video
http://youtu.be/LbhdsF4oEI8

Ps : the name of the thief is darkened because he had to use macro to test and isolate and reproduce the bug, he isn’t a macro player.
The bug block took 2 months to be fix even after the bug report that I made, and it got spread out eventually and abused, so better use this way this time.
Happy holydays !

The first answer from Nimlar is right, it’s what happened. And you don’t need macro to do that (he pressed 3 buttons(distorsion, mirror image, mind wrack) where jumper used 2 (backstab, steal)).

Mesmer beat thief in 1v1 if the mesmer don’t do any mistake.
It’s been like that since the start of the game but people only begin to realise that now.
Does anybody wonder why is the mesmer guarding close point ? Maybe because he was the god of 1v1 ? (there are some counter build, but thief aren’t since dancing dagger nerf).

We used 2 mesmer in our team, now we’ll use 0 since rng can make you useless and lose.