Guild Wars 2

Title says it all, at least that’s my theory when I look upon the HoM and see that armor in the center glower it resembles the Exalted and even to some extent the new legendary armor we saw. Heck lets bind our sprites with our ancestors.

Maybe to tie it to the lore they could take the hunch over lay anormally we all know to be Treaherene trap between dimensions and encase him in golden armor, i mean He has sort of already pass the tests. or maybe make a quest that explains that he is undergoing the trails between here and in the mists.

We still haven’t even Reforged Magdior (sp?) yet.

I’ll admit after i got my Eternity after 2 precursor quests and crafting I was burnt out of the game for months even though it was when HoT was new. Though I immediately unlocked the skin for fear of losing it. I too would like more work to be done to distinguish it from twillight or sunrise.

When using Eyefinity in mixed rotation P.L.P my mouse disappears in the game it still can select and use all my buttons but its invisible.

It works in Windows mode and Windowed Fullscreen at the same resolution that covers everything( called Manual PLP), but then I can’t use AMD Crossfire.

I’ve opened my mouse options in control panel it is set to default with no tails checked or anything weird.

My Specs
Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
GW2 64 bit Client
i5-6600k
Gigabyte Z170X-Gaming 3
32gb ram (4 x8 sticks) CL14 DDR4 2133MHZ
MSI R9 380 (all monitors hooked on to this) (DP, HDMI, DVI)
MSI R9 380 (sitting idle cause of no crossfire)

Researched Sources

http://plp-gaming.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Search?search=disappearing+mouse&fulltext=Search

https://community.amd.com/message/2656690
http://www.wsgf.org/forums/search.php?keywords=mouse&t=29079&sf=msgonly

Any assistance that you can provide would be appreciated.

i didn’t see a link to a trouble ticket is it this page or the main site?

I created 5 Deldrimor Steel sword Blades instead of 5 Deldrimor Steel Great Sword Blade

now i’m stuck with 5 blades that i can’t sell or trade or do anything with 15 days of dailies and all that mining gone. please help i sent screen shot with a bug report cause the UI was so generic and I was tired.

Can we please add an “Are you Sure” to that inventory option to this? i can’t count the number of times my inventory gets screwed, cause it was right next to the auto deposit button….

-edit spelling

I’m just curious if its possible to had this kind of targetting for Guild Wars 2 if i were to just buy the Eye tracking for my pc or if anyone has tried one of these before. It seem more refined than a TackIR.

Silvatar.5379:

So this question has been asked before but with the increase in the number of possible character slots, I am curious to learn whether anyone actually has 69 characters now. I am also assuming that with the passage of time, people may have created more alts so I anticipate some changes from last time this got asked.

Bonus question: What is your main?

Personally, I have 10 characters – one of each profession and one mule (a retired character that I just couldn’t bring myself to delete). My current main is a guardian.

12 characters
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10 level 80s 2 Wars to be in different pve places cause they roam so well
2 Necros for their racials Syvari Flower tank, Norn snow leaper wvw speed

1 Key/Transmutations farmer (weekly)

1 Revenant ( playing with looks and names)

My Main and First character is my Guardian/Dragonhunter he Spearheads all PVE cause he’s harder to kill.

My Second Spears are my D/D Ele, and Slyvari Wellomancer cause of their Sustrained.

Theif is my PVE backdoor.

My WvW Commanders are my Mesmer, War

My WvW Scouts are my Ranger and Engineer ( rocket boots/superspeed/switfness)

In Limbo are my other Warrior, and Condimancer( Designate world bosses killer snowleapoard runner) doing the “Orrian Lighthouse” story to max out weapons masteries.
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I’ve maxed out pvp achievements for Guardian, Warrior, Ranger, and Engineer,

I have an update to this exact same issue, Its Nividia they automatically installed a 3D controller, and a 3D driver into your machine with the latest update. its makes it impossible to turn off the 3d form the graphics option in game you have to go to control panel—> programs and features, and uninstall each of them.

I froze my game running 5760×1080 that’s when i felt something was fishy and the black floor lead me to this post.

One Prarie Outpost.4860:

HtFde.3856:

One Prarie Outpost.4860:

I know, I know. You get your drivers license and expect a car. Get a job and expect 3 weeks vacation and a huge salary. Well, you can’t buy Masteries with gems or gold – you have to earn it. I believe the elite professions are called ELITE for a reason. Otherwise they would be called EASIES.

Um – like the “Elite” that is doing super-challenging CoF runs at the moment? If THAT is the Elite, I’m proud not to be part of it.

I was unaware that CoF was listed as Elite content… you have something that states it is, yes?

I bought a car from a dealership I expect it to run, I got multiple degrees and made through 2 years of probation contracts I expect to be hire, Or I’ll take my business elsewhere. Simple.

One Prarie Outpost.4860:

Winterbird.5610:

I have so many other chars I want to play with the new specialisation and yesterday i stopped HP GRINDING! Yeah GRINDING!!! I want to experience the whole new content with the new specialisation I paid for

A lot of people seem to think that because you paid for the expansion you should get everything unlocked right away. You paid for the content, not the end result.

When you first started playing, did all the skill unlocks happen for every profession? No, you had to play that profession and unlock everything. It was not handed to you on a platter. Nor were the legendaries, nor were the dungeon armor – you had to work for all of them.

You had to GRIND – and nobody complained. Now you do.

And to point to the mantra that you “can play how you want” – that was for the CORE game – which you still can – play how you want. This is an expansion pack, not core game.

And all those that can’t solo everything – you couldn’t solo everything before. Or did I miss that YouTube video of someone soloing SB, kitten, Teq or another world boss? You solo dungeons? You solo WVW and PVP?
How about the guild part of Guild Wars? Get thee a guild and have a guild event to get the things that everyone needs.

I know, I know. You get your drivers license and expect a car. Get a job and expect 3 weeks vacation and a huge salary. Well, you can’t buy Masteries with gems or gold – you have to earn it. I believe the elite professions are called ELITE for a reason. Otherwise they would be called EASIES.

All skill points were able to be soloed in the Core Game to 100%, Which is WHY its even more stupid that people who have 100% map completions from core tyria can’t get enough hero points to unlock their specializations. people with 100% core completion are actually punished even more so, because they can’t get Hero points any other way but to wait at a point in HoT for people with the right masteries to come.

Can’t we just have it as skins for our amors set? I want to add this to my mix and match.

Nike.2631:

Ephemiel.5694:

So, because Anet made it, it’s perfectly ok for them to make 0 sense on their own lore and we cannot call them up on it because they made it, so they have control over it.

Honest question: how does this make zero sense:

“Guardians consider themselves protectors of the innocent. Followers of their faith be it in honor, valor, etc. The origin of the Dragonhunter is a more subtle nuanced version of this. Guardians fight for justice and the Dragonhunter faction believes justice is the eradication of dragons and their minions.”

If you thought something else about the nature of Guardians, enjoy the opportunity to understand better how ArenaNet sees them, because THAT is the vision that underlies the work past and future. Or at least Jon’s take from his office about 90 feet from the writing team’s lair. I’m sure he has a lot more opportunity to chat with them than we do.

What is the established lore you see as contradicting the above?

Harvest.2506:

We’re not talking about the fundamentals of Magic, we’re talking about a name. A Name based on their Own Rules, and their Own promises of avoiding class mixing.

Can you show me the text of this ‘promise’? I’d like to read it directly rather than just accept your interpretation.

We’re going off of Their reasoning, and what Lore, and premise They have provided, and base on these Anet is contradicting themselves.

I am listening. Walk me through it. I took my own stab at shifting the name, maybe you can provide me with better ammo .

As a writer you should know the weakness of crafting your universe are the loose ends that don’t add up. Often because when books were written for a series it was never expected. Nobody is perfect, that is why we have peer reviews, and editors, both of which seemed to have fallen through for the Dragonhunter.

It’s valid concern, but so far I don’t see it as applying here.

I’m not paid to go digging. the premise is base on other specialization names, someone else can go find that no class mixing thing, I’m tried and i have better things to do on a saturday night. me or genesis or some others wrote our reasoning already back when we where young this trend is ancient now.

Nike.2631:

Nike.2631:

“I’m a Reader, and I get to tell you the Author you’re WRONG about your world setting and you have to listen because I bought your book and you want me to by your next book too!”

People write fantasy and sci-fi settings instead of contemporary fiction specifically to NOT have to put up with (much of) that sort of nonsense.

Genesis.8572:

Just because you write your own setting does not mean that you write it well nor does it somehow liberate you from criticism. Speculative fiction is not immune to the death of the author.

Having published both fantasy and contemporary settings, its one thing to have a reader tell me “You got the length of a particular assault rifle wrong in chapter 4” and something entirely different to have someone tell me “Fireball spells don’t work that way.”

The first person I thank and maybe make a mental note if it’s going to come up again. If its convenient I might change the existing reference for the next printing/release.

The second I stare at with my mouth open because WHO THE KITTEN ARE YOU TO TELL ME HOW MAGIC WORKS IN MY SETTING?!??!

Look, I’ve raked the writers here over the coals as brutally as anyone, but there is a necessary understanding when something is a question of broadly accepted form and when it’s a matter of personal preference vs. the author’s right to set the terms of their own setting. It’s their livelihood, their risk, and their call. Canon does NOT belong to the fans, no matter how much they tell themselves otherwise. An argument based on “that’s inconsistent with other aspects of the setting” is very, VERY different than “well I don’t like it because of influences outside of the setting — influences possibly unique to me.”

“Guardians consider themselves protectors of the innocent. Followers of their faith be it in honor, valor, etc. The origin of the Dragonhunter is a more subtle nuanced version of this. Guardians fight for justice and the Dragonhunter faction believes justice is the eradication of dragons and their minions.”

…Isn’t something they have to justify. Its something they can SET as true in the world of Tyria. Will it be nice to see some support and fleshing out of that manifest through NPC dialogues or in-game locations? Absolutely! But for a pre-ship preview, summing up really is sufficient.

We’re not talking about the fundamentals of Magic, we’re talking about a name. A Name based on their Own Rules, and their Own promises of avoiding class mixing. We’re going off of Their reasoning, and what Lore, and premise They have provided, and base on these Anet is contradicting themselves.

As a writer you should know the weakness of crafting your universe are the loose ends that don’t add up. Often because when books were written for a series it was never expected. Nobody is perfect, that is why we have peer reviews, and editors, both of which seemed to have fallen through for the DragonHunter.

phys.7689:

purecontact.1680:

Lord Rheios.4152:

I’d figured Dragon Hunter came from Braham working more closely with his Ranger mother. She started teaching him how to use a bow and literally hunt thing, specifically the draconic quarry he’s oath-sworn to help you destroy. So Braham learned to hunt dragons for his crusader-like dedication to actively protect people and your character can be similarly focused.

My guardian is the daughter of a fisherman and he died killed by a quaggan.
He started teaching me how to use a fishing rod and literally fish thing, specifically the quaggan quarry my whole guild’s oath-sworn to help me destroy.
So my character’s learned to fish quaggan for her crusader-like dedication to actively protect fishermen and your character can be similarly focused.

Quagganfisher were born.

Troll appart, naming a specialization from very specific storyline isn’t a good thing.
The braham’s story line doesn’t define my character, it define braham’s one.
If he wants to found the dragonhunter order/faction, I’ll help him to do so like I’ve helped Trahearn with the Pact but I’m not ok if it impacts my character’s so heavily.

What annoys me the most for the dragonhunter name is the explaination from Jon Peters:

JonPeters.5630:

A couple notes on Dragonhunter. We went with this name because we felt it was evocative of the medieval witch hunters. Guardians consider themselves protectors of the innocent. Followers of their faith be it in honor, valor, etc. The origin of the dragonhunter is a more subtle nuanced version of this. Guardians fight for justice and the dragonhunter faction believes justice is the eradication of dragons and their minions. I understand this is a lot more high concept than Mesmer but at the end of the day we felt like we wanted to try and push a more mature theme here. I hope this helps explain our thinking. We had other generic names in mind but felt like it was important to have a mix of spec names that are generic fantasy, more Tyrian fantasy, and more high concept. This one falls more in the third category.

Thanks,

Jon

I’m ok if “Guardians fight for justice”, I’m not if that made me join the “dragonhunter faction (who) believes justice is the eradication of dragons and their minions”.

I want to fight for justice but dear Mr. Peters, you went too far when you set in stone why I am fighting.
It should be up to the player to chose which way his character follow.

If I chose to follow the dragonhunter path, that should be my personal choice like when I chose to be a noble looking for my sister’s body.
I had to chose one of the different symbol of my dedication and I didn’t chose the one which fits to the fanatics’ approach of dragonhunter.

This roleplay story I chose during my character’s creation didn’t affect my gameplay.
Choose whether I want to be a part of the dragonhunter’s faction or not shouldn’t affect my gameplay.

if you invent and popularize a style of fighting, you basically get to name it, and people who use it after you will have to call it whatever you decided it was

if you invent quagganfisher fighting, everyone who uses it after you, even if they do not fish quaggans will have to call it that
it happens in the real world like
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bak_Mei white eyebrow martial art, because the guy who started it was old. Does that mean every practioner of it is old now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fut_Gar budda family, only buddists can use this martial art now?

fencing comes from the word defense, does that mean it can never be used offensively? is every body who fences now a defender?

assassins comes from hashish, a group of people who murdered enemies after getting high on cannabis.

so yeah, many martial arts/proffesions, etc are named whatever they are named, and people who follow it later use the same name regardless of what they use it for.

Somebody decided to name the style of fighting dragonhunter, and now IF you want to use it, you have to use the name they made up for it.

People that invent a style of fighting in times of yore are different than Game Designers in a competitive market in 2015. You’ve got that sells aspect to consider to avoid confusing it with something else , or risk being branded as false advertisement. What’s worse is they’ve explained their reasoning in a way that is counter intuitive to the direction they’ve laid out for their returning and potentially new costumers.

Yeah , but just think of all the Data Anet’s been getting just for sparking a little forum war, I haven’t seen an arms race of back and forth like this in ages.

RabbitUp.8294:

Genesis.8572:

So what constructive discussion have you contributed, eh?

You can check my post history.

Do you really think that joke thread you (you as in “you people”) keep around is doing your cause any good? You are making yourselves look immature.

Hey I’m a patron of your joke threads too, Warriors are going to be butchers not necromancers.

We should go with a theme that is evocative of the Bibical Jesus, Necromancers consider themselves closely associated with being between this world and that next. The origin of Asunriseaway like from our theme song is a more subtle nuanced version of this. Necromancers inflict pain and damage to themselves in order to take the damage away from others. And the Asunriseaway faction believes that taking in the “Heat from the Sun” and damage away in battle would allow their allies to fair better. I understand this is a alot more high concept than Dragonhunter, but at the end of the day we felt like we wanted to try and push a more mature theme here. I hope this helps explain out thinking. We had other generic names in mind but felt like it was important to have a mix spec names that are generic fantasy, more Tyrian Fantasy, and more high concept, The one falls more in the third category.

You’re quite the little " Phantom Menace" aren’t you?

RabbitUp.8294:

Harvest.2506:

RabbitUp.8294:

Gibson.4036:

I’ve noticed an inverse correlation between developer participation and player harshness.

In threads where a developer shows up and joins the dialogue, the snark and rage simmers right down and people get more respectful (there are always stand out bad apples). You’ll see this in economic discussions with Mr. Smith, or the CDIs. Or when Gaile pops in for a little back and forth.

Just an observation.

The discussion turned a lot more aggressive after Jon posted. Just because people misunderstood a specific term they could have easily googled for.

This is just how forums should be, if your idea cannot stand to scrutiny it will be shut down by others. You shouldn’t need 4 years of post- secondary to be taught that.

Its common sense when you construct a presentation to keep it clear, and concise. Emphasis should be given to a theme that is unifying to the subject. In the case of the Dragonhunter name however, This is polarizing to the classes, and generic to the masses at the same time, with no clear direction.

80% of the feedback was limited to “wah wah change the name to one that meets my subjective criteria and fits my personal taste”. That’s the part we could all live without.

The reaction to the dev post was actually humorous, like a self-fulfilling prophecy. People accusing Jon of implying they wouldn’t understand the reasoning behind the name choice, when in reality those people don’t understand a specific term used.

Well that’s the danger of swaying too far away from convention, without regard for running towards the center of the spectrum in the political sense. You make your platform unelectable in the general.

Look you can’t Control the masses who just want to freely express their opinion. Changing the course of the topic from a bad presentation from a name, to the unappealing responses of those that don’t like it, only further disconnects the dialogue. Matter of fact it harms both sides and divides people even more.

More could be realistically achieve for highlighting attempts at a compromise.

RabbitUp.8294:

Gibson.4036:

I’ve noticed an inverse correlation between developer participation and player harshness.

In threads where a developer shows up and joins the dialogue, the snark and rage simmers right down and people get more respectful (there are always stand out bad apples). You’ll see this in economic discussions with Mr. Smith, or the CDIs. Or when Gaile pops in for a little back and forth.

Just an observation.

The discussion turned a lot more aggressive after Jon posted. Just because people misunderstood a specific term they could have easily googled for.

This is just how forums should be, if your idea cannot stand to scrutiny it will be shut down by others. You shouldn’t need 4 years of post- secondary to be taught that.

Its common sense when you construct a presentation to keep it clear, and concise. Emphasis should be given to a theme that is unifying to the subject. In the case of the Dragonhunter name however, This is polarizing to the classes, and generic to the masses at the same time, with no clear direction.

It’s most likely they want to give paragon to us later When it’s ready As a different specialization. For this one with the longbow it needed to be different. They should just rename it to Seeker if that’s the case.

Dante.1763:

Harvest.2506:

If Anet wants to push for a name that means in pursuit of justice in war (with Dragons being the reason for injustice), while staying special Then they could call this specialization Constable. A Constable is a High ranking officers of the crown in mid-evil times, that’s in charge of the Military Police maintaining the Law, and they fight on the front with the King’s and nobility.

Here http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constable_of_France

That would be a good idea too, there are alot of ideas in this thread really!

I’m just trying Really hard to savage what I can from Jon ‘s meaning man. I don’t have much space now that they’ve steered the concept to the wall.

Azzer.8137:

The funny thing here is actually that 99% of all other names for the specialisation from the community is just plain awfull.

I wish people would stop disliking a name just because they “think” they can do it better, you can’t Dragonhunter might not be the “best” but it sure as hell beats 99% of other names people came up with.

We get it though, because YOU think it’s immature for a name then EVERYONE should think so too but that’s not how the world works.

Now if someone actually provided proper feedback instead of the usual “lazy, immature, boring, generic” insults then they might have a point but so far that’s not been the case at all it’s even been proven by many that the lore of the name fits the GW lore.

Lastly, if the name is what makes you angry then your profession might be a tad too strong in the game now if this is your biggest concern.

Many people think the name is immature, and people have rallied behind alternatives whilst giving proper reasoning. That’s how things evolve and change in the real world.

You’re obviously here more for the discord than the discussion otherwise you would have read the beautiful thesis written by others on this topic.

If Anet wants to push for a name that means in pursuit of justice in war (with Dragons being the reason for injustice), while staying special Then they could call this specialization Constable. A Constable is a High ranking officers of the crown in mid-evil times, that’s in charge of the Military Police maintaining the Law, and they fight on the front with the King’s and nobility.

Here http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constable_of_France

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Harvest.2506:

There is no sense of Justice in Dragon Hunter, Its a Matter of Survival, not a matter of fighting for Morally. You could have just called it “Witch Hunter” and be done with it.

While you’re not wrong that “it’s a matter of survival”, it is also a matter of “fighting for morally” – though that’s not the only thing that a “sense of justice” is – a sense of justice refers to prosecution of morals and laws, of defending the innocent and persecuting the unjust.

Not all senses of justice adhere to morals or laws.

However, what’s important to note that fighting the Elder Dragons is no more a “matter of survival” than fighting a war against a tyrannical invasive nation. Because, in essence, once you get past all the magic and brainwashing that is draconic corruption, that’s what the Elder Dragons and their minions are.

And fighting evil nations? That is a case of fighting for justice. And all the Elder Dragons are, are magical ancient dictators once you get past the fluff and the lies/misdirection that they’re mindless animals.

Here http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constable_of_France

Just call them constables you have everything to back it up. Pains me that I know more history than most and I’m only 29.

xarallei.4279:

Harvest.2506:

There is no sense of Justice in Dragon Hunter, Its a Matter of Survival, not a matter of fighting for Morally. You could have just called it “Witch Hunter” and be done with it.

Now I understand you guys like to run your social experiments, or maybe have a cooperate head from NCsoft/nexon suggesting this , Thus making you unable to speak freely. So as a Free unbias person I can call your reasoning flawed. edit for (spelling/grammar)

No Thanks Jon.

This seems over the top. You honestly believe NCSoft came in here and said “hey you MUST name your guardian elite spec Dragonhunter!” I think they have better things to do with their time then worry about the name of a spec. I know people like to think NCSoft is behind every thing they don’t like about the game, but that’s just probably not the case. Sometimes Anet just makes choices and sometimes you just don’t like them. It happens.

I say its a possibility, along with social experimental , or if you had read my other post to this, they’re just been out of touch. Either way the name doesn’t fit for reasons others and myself have already stated in terms of technicality, language mechanics, recent history or fantasy franchises, and lore.

Saulot, please provide a more relivant understanding of your position, rather than a critique of the critique. So far you’ve just deployed a standard deflection of a supposed figuritive witchunt. Alice has done nothing to warrant an apology to you.

Tzozef.9841:

Lol look what I found, was anyone or ArenaNet aware of this at all?!

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Dragon_Hunter

The term Dragon hunter was first used in Gw1 Factions. Just an interesting side note

Well there you have it. We can’t have this name now that its associated with a quest, item, or existing trait in the universe, by their premise. Coupled with the supporting doctine its now too generic as anyone can be a dragon hunter. Satire is like wine to truth not poured into any cup of hypocrisy Saulot.

Near.7439:

Wait what? Whats your definition of guard? Pretty sure Im “guarding” them by keeping them from harm. The faster I kill something in PvE the more “guarded” my party is. Now im wondering why my thief isnt called a guardan, kinda messed up. Guess if my thief isnt going to be called a guardian we may as well let the dragonhunter have its name huh?

My definition as I’ve written is in the direct actions the class takes in doing something. You think I don’t feel that way too when I go pve on my theif? I know the faster the kill something or cc it that it contributes to the protection of my vip. But i’m doing it via Lockdown, or DPS spike, instead of Warding with blocks , and healing on the guardian so I can take my sweet time. That’s the difference.

Alice.5360:

Craywulf.5793:

No offense intended, but Jon Peter’s explanation did not convince me one iota. I am not seeing any legitimacy in his explanation. In fact his answer only compounded the rationality of such generic name. There’s absolutely no sophistication or “high concept”. This was clearly a bad choice whether Jon wants to admit it or not.

Honestly I think the Paragon name would’ve been the safest choice. It might have even appeased older GW1 fans.

i think his justification was actually pretty patronizing/borderline insulting. It was basically “if you don’t like it, it’s because you don’t get it because it’s too complex for you.” Ick.

Yeah I could have done a better job at PR than that, While Still designing, the game, and fulfilling my commitments. This Economy has made me a kitten good Multitask er.

Near.7439:

Ok so on my thief i’ve guarded literally thousands of towns against invading monsters and guarded a little girl through a tunnel of molten lava. Why then do they only call guardians “guardians”? Because its a game thats why. It loosely fits with their general theme so thats what they’re called. Now everyone kills dragons right? Well guess what, now there’s a class that is generally themed towards being a type of specialized dragon slayer. He’s no better at killing dragons than a thief is at guarding villagers but thats his theme so thats what he’s called. Jeez man. I mean, are any of the class names the least bit special anyways? We’ve got thieves and engineers and warriors. Why are we only just now calling out the generic-ness of these class name?

So tell me, How well does your theif guard in pve? aside from the shadow refuge, and smoke blast combo, you would do to hide your npc, or the boon in poision you give to them?

In Spvp i would like to see your theif hold a point over a minute in 1v1 or over 30 seconds 2v1, in Wvw I’d like to see how you would mass support the zerg.

Fact is what you do 90% of the time are defined playstyles with some support if you spec for it, but you are still primary a roamer.

In the case for Dragon Hunter the name mismatches its supporting role, and then tied it to a specific group of enemies, when it should be fighting, everything everyone else is fighting in the game like Other players, krait, inquest, etc.

A Dragon apparently is the deadlist pet, if the new Guardian Specialization Dragonhunter is to be believed for a bit, before it gets debunked.

Somehow I feel as though there would have been much fewer complaints if Dragonhunter was that name for the Engineering specialization, because of that imagery, and history associated with it.

I get the point that the purpose of this profession specialization is in taking out the dragons, But it is Very poorly communicated. Traditionally the language to refer to such an opposite would be used with words like Bane, or Slayer, maybe even DragonKnight to get that offensive vibe. With the Hunt, verbs such as Tracking, and patience come to mind, which undermines the whole light magic theme.

Now I get that the traps don’t trigger right away after being set, but I don’t like the idea of a weakness being framed for the namesake. Chronomancers and druids, manipulate time and attune to nature in this expansion as they are Hunting dragons too. that’s the Plot of our story as their ends to justify their means, which doesn’t justify the Name for DH. We have to objectify the methods for which we are going for our results.

Now I’ve done more searching, and would again advise names such as LightSlinger, or DivineHunter be more fitting, as they entail the actions of which makes this a specialization, and can be identified with Guardians. Anet has made it clear they don’t want anymore Class merging in their plan, and Calling this Specialization Dragonhunter not only goes against that plan, but brings about much inconsistency.

Srolo.5208:

Harvest.2506:

Srolo.5208:

Snip.

I said I would rather have Witch Hunter if they want to go that route with Hunter, someone on the HOT post is suggesting DivineHunter now which is something I would also be alright with.

What childish Mindset are you talking about? If you are using other games as a comparision those with dragon in their class names are related in some way to dragons. We know its a unified force of multi talented people fighting the dragons, and their spawn. But there is no clear rivalry that designates a guardian with longbow as the clear hunter of dragons that is better at it than the over classes.

It actually Cheapens the value to say this Guardian is specializing as a Dragon Hunter, when you have a clear Chronomancer, Druid, and Tempest. Now you’ve probably never studied language or history to my extent, but you shouldn’t need to in order to see that calling this Dragonhunter sounds like a 2nd rate pedestrian in comparison.

I wasn’t targeting you specifically as other people have voiced similar complaints about it for no other reason than the name. The name is fitting. Whether or not people sit down and actually want to think about it or accept it is another issue. And it’s not “cheapening” it at all. Again, why is it so hard to believe that a holy warrior chose to SPECIALIZE in hunting down the perverse and corrupted that is now tainting the land? That happens to be dragons in this game. That’s just what it is.

I’ll say it again because I’m sure people are just going to skim through it…A holy warrior SPECIALIZING in hunting the Dragons and their minions. The other classes don’t have SPECIALIZATIONS named things like that because the other classes aren’t SPECIALIZING in hunting and killing the Dragons and their minions from a lore standpoint. The “Holy Warriors” e.g. Guardians are. There’s a difference between fighting and killing something out of necessity, and actively wanting to.

Chronomancers and Druids don’t become Chronomancers and Druids to actively hunt and kill the corruption and taint. They do it to manipulate time and to attune to nature.

You’re mixing up lore and gameplay. Gameplay wise, yes every class is able to fight just as effectively because if they couldn’t then there wouldn’t really be a game now would there be? Lore wise, it’s the Dragon Hunters who have taken it upon themselves, whether right or wrong reasons, to cleanse the land of the corruption and taint as they feel it’s their duty. People are mixing the two together and they need to stop.

I get the point that the purpose of this profession specialization is in taking out the dragons, But it is Very poorly communicated. Traditionally the language to refer to such an opposite would be used with words like Bane., or Slayer, maybe even DragonKnight to get that offensive vibe. With the Hunt, verbs such as Tracking, and patience come to mind, which undermines the whole light magic theme.

Now I get that the traps don’t trigger right away after being set, but I don’t like the idea of a weakness being framed for the namesake. Chronomancers and druids, manipulate time and attune to nature in this expansion as they are Hunting dragons too. that’s the Plot of our story as their ends to justify their means, which doesn’t justify the Name for DH. We have to objectify the methods for which we are going for our results.

Now I’ve done more searching, and would again advise names such as LightSlinger, or DivineHunter be more fitting, as they entail the actions of which makes this a specialization, and can be identified with Guardians. Anet has made it clear they don’t want anymore Class merging in their plan, and Calling this Specialization Dragonhunter not only goes against that plan, but brings about much inconsistency.

Srolo.5208:

From what I’m gathering people would rather it be called Witch Hunter than Dragon Hunter because the term “Witch” is inherently associated with being evil and that goes against the thematic elements of the Guardian blah blah blah. Now having said that, WHERE ARE THE kitten WITCHES IN THE GUILD WARS UNIVERSE? I don’t know about any of you but I’ve yet to encounter any.

The majority of you people just dislike the name for the simple fact that it has “Dragon” in it and you automatically associate that with a childish mindset. In the GW2 universe the evil and corrupt are the DRAGONS and the DRAGONS MINIONS so why is it so unbearably hard to comprehend the fact that a sect of righteous, holy warriors have chosen to hunt down and exterminate the corruption and evil that’s spreading?

Now you may say “WAHHH BUT EVERYBODY HUNTS AND EXTERMINATES THEM!” and you’d be wrong. During this time there IS a unified effort to combat and stop the Elder Dragons, yes, however that is NOT the main goal of the other classes. Engineers didn’t suddenly wake up one morning and go “Hey, you know what? I think I’m going to become technologically proficient so that years from now I’m going to possess all the relevant skills I need to fight something that myself, nor others actually know is coming or even believes to be real for that matter!”

My god you people are kittening thick.

I said I would rather have Witch Hunter if they want to go that route with Hunter, someone on the HOT post is suggesting DivineHunter now which is something I would also be alright with.

What childish Mindset are you talking about? If you are using other games as a comparision those with dragon in their class names are related in some way to dragons. We know its a unified force of multi talented people fighting the dragons, and their spawn. But there is no clear rivalry that designates a guardian with longbow as the clear hunter of dragons that is better at it than the over classes.

It actually Cheapens the value to say this Guardian is specializing as a Dragon Hunter, when you have a clear Chronomancer, Druid, and Tempest. Now you’ve probably never studied language or history to my extent, but you shouldn’t need to in order to see that calling this Dragonhunter sounds like a 2nd rate pedestrian in comparison.

TyPin.9860:

nexxe.7081:

Well, i guess that’s it. The name won’t be changing. It’s a silly name, with the majority against it, but it’s their game.

As Harvest suggested, it’s not about fighting for morality, so it doesn’t make sense. We’re all essentially dragon hunters in our fight against Modremoth, and other dragons. Many other names would’ve been better.

Interesting, how did you measure this? I’d like to see that statistic.

It is mind blowing to me, how many of you don’t understand the thinking behind the name and the theme. To me it was unexpected, but it was an understandable choice.

Guardians are devoted fighters who protect their allies and smite their enemies by drawing from the power of their virtues. True guardians are brilliant tacticians and selfless defenders who know when to sacrifice their own defenses to empower their allies to achieve victory.

This is from the GW2 website describing the guardian. How is dedicating oneself to fight the greatest danger in the history of the world not a worthy cause for a profession that lives to protect? You all seem to compare it with mercenary style demon hunter themes. However, the idea behind Dragonhunter is very obvious. You seem to be more entangled in your expectations of a profession theme than with the actual profession theme itself. The reason for disappointment seems to lay within yourself instead with the actual profession.

And about the reasoning of ‘us all being dragon hunters’, regardless of profession… We are also all warriors, should we now change that class name too, because it doesn’t really describe the uniqueness of warrior?

To me, just simply adding to the word ‘Dragonhunter’ the word ‘order’ (instead of faction, as Jon did it), makes it suddenly sound way different, than what you make it to be. And being part of a dedicated order of Dragonhunters sounds in my ears like a very worthy cause for a guardian.

Well first of all Anet doesn’t approve of us conducting independent polls, hence why they’ve all been shut down when linked to the forums. Go find the straw poll on reddit or take your own tally to find out.

The actually profession Theme has everything to do with light magic, It would actually make more sense to call the Class Holomancer, like the one in the personal story. This would take away any ambiguity. But from the looks of things Anet is either just too proud and Stubborn to admit their own mistake, or they are really intrigue by their God game of testing forum interaction.

This might also be a classical case of falling out of touch. As someone with an Bacherlors of Fine Arts degree and a Certified IT, I know the feeling getting a different response than what I had intend during production. Public Critique like this is for the very purpose of bringing back focus. Focus which is clearly lost in communicating, and presenting this class, I know cause I have written, and Reviewed hundreds of Essays, proposals, and articles.

There is no sense of Justice in Dragon Hunter, Its a Matter of Survival, not a matter of fighting for Morally. You could have just called it “Witch Hunter” and be done with it.

Now I understand you guys like to run your social experiments, or maybe have a cooperate head from NCsoft/nexon suggesting this , Thus making you unable to speak freely. So as a Free unbias person I can call your reasoning flawed. edit for (spelling/grammar)

No Thanks Jon.

Dace.3985:

On the stream, the way they talked about Guardians fitting the role of witch hunter, my immediate thought was Inquisitor. Doesn’t make much sense for traps but I still like it better than Dragonhunter.

Vanguard, Pathfinder, Sentinel, Vindicator, Warden, and Zealot are also cool names I would pick.

Or they could have just called it the “Witch Hunter” specialization and call it a day. that would have made more sense.

StickerHappy.8052:

Where the people complaining now? LOL

The Name still Sucks, it doesn’t fit, and is bound to confuse outsiders, or new players coming into the game.

Kentaine.4692:

Harvest.2506:

Kentaine.4692:

Harvest.2506:

All I could find was one for general class names. Got stuff like Legendary Witch Heretic, and Imperial Hell Templar.

I’ll take Imperial Hell Templar

But it has to be one word.

I’ll take Imperielhelltemplar!

I’ll take ImperielHell then that’s still better than DragonHunter[/quote]

Or if we must have dragon… how about:

Dragonaire… wait that’s a pokemon. I was trying to squish dragon and legionaire together.
Dragnel? Dragon + Sentinel? Why can’t we create a word? Why do these words have to exist in the languages of our world already?
Dragoon? Well those were typically mounted, but it’s theorized the name stemmed from their firearm… guess that would work better if/when Guardian gets rifle.
Dragnet for when we get fishers as a profession!
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Ok if I have to take a Dragon like name to coincide with Anets new mandate to reign in players from other games I’ll take Dragonaire. At the very least is sound legion-like for the military decorum. Its confident, more thought-out, even from a poke’mon design, and better than that half-kitten DragonHunter.

Kentaine.4692:

Harvest.2506:

All I could find was one for general class names. Got stuff like Legendary Witch Heretic, and Imperial Hell Templar.

I’ll take Imperial Hell Templar[/quote]

But it has to be one word.

I’ll take Imperielhelltemplar!
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I’ll take ImperielHell then that’s still better than DragonHunter

Alasteir.7031:

Harvest.2506:

Alasteir.7031:

Genesis.8572:

Alasteir.7031:

You can bet your kitten that the dragonhunters in other fantasy settings are not the Paladin archetype. At least for the most part.

Since when have knights and holy warriors fighting dragons not been done to death? In D&D – the granddaddy of all tabletop RPG and computer/video gaming – dragon-hunting paladin archetypes are exceptionally common.

When the description of the Dragonhunter is that of a big-game hunter, you get a different connotation that those archetypes, especially with the lore of the Elder Dragons being Natural, and not intrinsically evil, or demonic. If something has been done to death, and you want to do it, the least you can do is make it as original as possible. Every solution proposed so far just makes it more overdone.

Like, if those random name generators that you find online gave you the option to list a name for a paladin archetype, pretty much all of the solutions other than Photonbuster would probably come up.

Hold on! Gonna find me one of those generators!

Well you asked ME to come up with one that describes a light-user taking down big things that hasn’t been done. and I did on my own without a generator.

I did? Wasn’t that someone else?

opps yeah sorry that was devillordlaser. carry on. i want to see this generator now.

Alasteir.7031:

Genesis.8572:

Alasteir.7031:

You can bet your kitten that the dragonhunters in other fantasy settings are not the Paladin archetype. At least for the most part.

Since when have knights and holy warriors fighting dragons not been done to death? In D&D – the granddaddy of all tabletop RPG and computer/video gaming – dragon-hunting paladin archetypes are exceptionally common.

When the description of the Dragonhunter is that of a big-game hunter, you get a different connotation that those archetypes, especially with the lore of the Elder Dragons being Natural, and not intrinsically evil, or demonic. If something has been done to death, and you want to do it, the least you can do is make it as original as possible. Every solution proposed so far just makes it more overdone.

Like, if those random name generators that you find online gave you the option to list a name for a paladin archetype, pretty much all of the solutions other than Photonbuster would probably come up.

Hold on! Gonna find me one of those generators!

Well you asked ME to come up with one that describes a light-user taking down big things that hasn’t been done. and I did on my own without a generator.

Alasteir.7031:

DevilLordLaser.8619:

…Photonbuster.

Yep. You sure showed me, man. That is such an amazing choice I can’t believe it hasn’t come up before. Absolutely. That is the 100% perfect name for a righteous hunter. Going to go preach it to the rest of the forums right now.

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I do believe someone on reddit also mentioned, to their credit that complaining about the fact that it’s called the Dragonhunter, when we all hunt dragons makes no sense, in which they cite Diablo III as an example where the primary enemies are Demons, and the Demon Hunter exists as a class despite every class focusing on killing demons.

I feel this is the idea behind the Dragonhunter. You can therefore expect their trait names, spell names to be anti-dragon themed, or just with a general draconic flair. Their effectively a variation of the Demon-Hunter archetype of a righteous warrior focusing their entire purpose in life to killing Demons. I think that’s what Arenanet was playing with. Dragons are the main enemy, and the Guardians realize defending people is not enough, so they focus on killing, all without making Dragonhunters op when it comes to pve battles involving dragons, giving them an unfair advantage. Could be wrong however.

here https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/357a70/fixing_dragon_hunters_lukewarm_reception_is/

WarDuggery on Reddit suggested the idea, but was counteredd by joshuarion saying that we’re not soloing or hunting dragons on our own. in THIS game. DH in d3 had lore build around them, they were not branched out into another type of class all together.

By the way why in the Hell of Abaddon should we be following Diablo 3 anyways. All because they copy all the good ideas from Arena net doesn’t me Anet should copy all of Blizzards crappy ones. Wow did just lose 3 million Subs for a reason.

DevilLordLaser.8619:

…Photonbuster.

Yep. You sure showed me, man. That is such an amazing choice I can’t believe it hasn’t come up before. Absolutely. That is the 100% perfect name for a righteous hunter. Going to go preach it to the rest of the forums right now.

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Searching right now man it really hasn’t come up before, I’ll admit i got the idea from Ojyh.9842’s Photonmancer, but to me that sounded too casterlike.

My pitch is that is sounds like what it does. Which is to Destroy things with Light, wasn’t that what you wanted?

DevilLordLaser.8619:

Until you can find me a one-word title that says “Light-manipulating hunter of large angry animals”, we’re probably going to have to stick with Dragonhunter as the best they can do.

That’s what happens when you get beyond established tropes in a fantasy setting – longstanding one-word names just don’t really work anymore.

That is a lot to fit into one word. But since I have an Art degree I’ll try.
lets say for instance we have to have a 2ish word name we could still do it without the Dragon there. Its sybolising the weapon more so than the prey. Except we’re not using any dragonlike weapons in fact our weapons look nothing like biorganic claws they wield.

So our Prefix the should be light, something along the lines of “Photon-”
long range weapon http://www.economist.com/node/12502799

Ok so we established the weapons which relates to the original profession so not let talk about the Suffix. This will refer to the person and more indepth about what they are doing. in this case hunting big game. Maybe in pvp this could be related to the anti-tank, or anti door, those roles can fit into pve fighting big monsters at the same time with the word “Buster”

so there you have it [b]PhotonBuster[b] a name I invented with a little bit of research that would satisfy all Requirements it stays true to the Guardian, It takes down big things, it doesn’t appear to be copying anybody too badly. Matter of fact I’m going to start making a vlog about this right now.

DevilLordLaser.8619:

I get that it’s not good English, and I would’ve preferred Dragon Hunter myself. However, ArenaNet has had a very long-standing tradition of one-word class names they’re clearly unwilling to break. Give me a better idea for a proactive, righteous hunter of bad things – an actually better idea, not just Guardian with different letters – and we’ll talk.

I have yet to see one.

I support Avenger as genesis does
along with some good ideas put forth by Tachenon such as Pathfinder, Wayfarer, and Visionary.

We Need a one word name, or at the very least a word that is partially merged to get catchy, DragonHunter just sound like something Duct taped togather in a hurry.