um, a macro is not impossible to detect. Like I stated above, most macro devices need support to work entirely smoothly.
Currently gmail will disable any account that attempts to spam emails too fast. Considering the vast number of email accounts they hold I would think they just use a simple, but very effective filter. I would dare say a-net probably has the means to detect when multiple inputs are being done in near inhuman time. However, also as stated above, there is nothing to stop a player from assigning numerous hotkeys to an entire row of keys and just pressing the keys in order as fast as possible so they fire as quickly as the precast/aftercast allows. With timing and practice a player could in theory execute very fast chains on solo targets, but would get blitzed anytime they had to react to situations that interrupts the chain.
You seem not to understand the concept of “macro”. It’s not faster than we could human possibly doing it, it’s more regular and reliable. It’s absolutely impossible to detect as it does exactly the same thing a “high skilled” player could do with the press of only 1 key for a combo. Recent keyboards and mice permit to program macros, and they work if you had the right delays after each skill. It doesn’t need any support from the game, it’s low-level imput done by the keyboard/mice.
The thing is i’m almost sure they have no tool to detect macro usage, so unless they do something this way we’ll always see those “perfect combos” (mainly from thieves and eles with the actual state of the game)
5k viewers ? That’s not so bad, considering the tournament stream was at 4am in Europe. Why did you expect ?
Use your brain, said and re-said it : number of viewers has NOTHING TO DO with the hour. At the same time LoL had 200k+ and it was PRIME TIME in the US. You’re not the only one on earth.
In regards to the 5k viewers. Keep in mind that the tournament happened in the middle of the night over in Europe you would’ve lost a lot of potential viewers purely because most people would not stay up till 3/4+ AM to watch it even on a weekend.
I had to watch it back this morning myself while I would have preferred to have seen it Live and I went to sleep just after the panel at 1 am (England). It would have been much later elsewhere in Europe before the match even started.
If people cared enough they would watch it, for example, i stayed up to 9am just to finish watching TI3.
^, at the same time LoL had 200k+ viewers so don’t point the hour. Also it was late (early ?) in Europe but prime time in the US so really nothing to do with it.
I tested the Sc/F arcane build and it’s pretty effective in soloQ. We are very squishy if we want to have some damages and with this weapon set we can always stay at range, have great ranged CC abilities and more condi removal and invul.
Actually I think you’re wrong TheMightyAltroll. He’s making some really good points, we’re seeing them for now more than a month and I guess I’m not the only one agreeing. But I would like your opinion on the subject.
You could make a case that Mesmers have a hard time in a hard condition meta, and I think a lot of people would agree with you. They have counters to conditions, but a lot of players don’t like to run those in standard Mesmer setups.
You sir… .Perhaps you should try to run those builds (cleanse on mantras and/or shatter cleanse) and taste some of your own advices. Instead everytime i meet you in a tournament match you’re on your necromanser.
Besides the “condi” meta that you want to keep as well as push the other metas, is completely bad and has the lowest skill floor since its all about spamming them, there is no depth in WHICH condition i should use at WHICH exact time, no risk since you can do it from far, and most of the condi is RNG burning from a simple trait which people can’t even react against, people just spam those shots and suddenly they apply heaps amount of burning damage. The state of the game after the patch has never been so terrible and i’m sure 80% of the community including the people who play those “meta classes” would agree.
The only condi class, semi-balanced and fun to play is engineer.
Necro has 1 main viable build which does everything, hard cc, hard dps and now hard survivability.
Don’t even get me started or rangers.
Guardians has been a must in every single competitive team since release – so you think that’s balanced right?
Thiefs have some room for build diversity but they’re mainly funneled into one build which has everything in one skill which they can spam mindlessly – high damage, boon stripping, evade at the same time, no cooldown or risk in using it as many times you want.
Elementalists also probably one class with some build diversity cept for staff, but got completely disregarded due necro/engineer/sd thief/ spirit ranger/guardian setup being godly in all situations, in all scales 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 or 5v5. Hell the winning team in PAX NA had what? 2 rangers? Yeah that’s fun to watch, a whole bunch of AI pets doing the heavy lifting.
Warriors also semi balanced probably one of the best designed class atm due their telegraphed skills which every class should have in order to see nice counter plays. But also mainly funneled now into a 1v1 role due the massive opness of the condi meta (were also brought viable due berserk stance mainly).
I’ll also not even comment on mesmers, we all and their grandmothers know what’s wrong with mesmers which is: no build diversity, essentially mesmers are FINE/OK within balance but since others are out of hand they also got no room.
I definitely like you man. Anet 0 – 1 saVdoom. Anyway, good summary.
i guess the easiest way would be simply splitting up the current amulets, a zerker amulet for example could be split into an amulet with 400power, 285 precision, 142 vitality, 9% critdmg and 2 rings with 199 power, 142 precision, 71 vitality, 3% critdmg each. if you go full zerker you have the same stats as now but it would allow to say change the rings to valkyries for more toughness instead of precision. this would not raise the maximum power/precision/critdmg. of course it could be split into more trinkets with lower stats as well.
Something interesting came up on the mists of Desolation and I wanted to show it with more people of the comunity (and btw Anet). We actually haven’t a lot of stats choice when creating a build. These are defined witht he Amulets we can chose.
Everybody can agree that we chose Runes for their utility slots most of the time (Like Lyssa for example), and we don’t use our traits as boost for stats, but for their utility too. So the suggestion to make more diversity possible would be to split trinkets like in PvE (Amulet, Accessory, Rings, etc), so we can more easily choose our stats. Of course, it would need some changes from PvE (to balance the whole thing, being able to have 103% crit damage wouldn’t be the best thing in PvP).
Ideally, instead of this system, we would have a certain amount of points and can dispatch them in every stat we would like to, but it could bring some balance issues (more balance issue).
Actually it was way easier with the holy triade they destroyed (Bunker, Damager, Healer). They created something more complicated, it’s interesting, but in 7 years of development I think they had their idea about how to get the things right. Maybe if we knew their position on this we could help.
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Quit for a month, and come back. It will be different by then, I’m 99% sure. It just requires that thing called “patience”, something you 90’s kids don’t have for kitten.
I paid for this game, time is money, let’s keep it this way. Thanks for your feedback anyway, appreciate it.
- Make a “circle” : Condi damages kill bunkers > Bunkers kill glasscanon > Glasscanon kill condi damages. It’s not working actually because condi damages specs got a lot of armor, toughness, etc, wich make them only vulnerable to … other condis. Same for GC specs, more vulnerable to … other GC specs.
- Everybody at the same level : Everybody can kill everybody, no matter conditions or direct damages. A lot harder to balance IMO (maybe impossible ?), and again 2 ways to do it :
_ Conditions and Direct damages can both be sustained OR burst.
_ Conditions deals only damages on a long amount of time (no burst possible, event when max stack condi up). Direct damages specs can’t really win a fight during too long (so mainly burst).
In all of these, I see only 1 possible scenario when conditions can burst (like they actually do). And I feel like it’s the harder to balance, maybe impossible. So unless they change their mind, we’re gonna have condi meta OR direct damage meta, but both seems hardly possible if they don’t tone down conditions.
I’m aware of their “let’s do this and wait 1 month to see what happens” politic. It didn’t work for a years, it’s not going to work now, it has to change.
As we all see this few days/weeks(/months ?), a lot a forums posts in this section are about the meta (conditions, necros, rangers, etc, etc), and they almost all agree to say that there is a problem, a big HUGE problem. People keep saying that the sPvP is NOT enjoyable anymore, and I agree with them.
BUT STILL, Anet doesn’t give a kitten and we’re not even aware if they read all this. We need MORE backup, and we need to know WHAT IS GOING ON. Don’t keep wasting our time with your silence, if you’re not gonna change anything soon, SAY IT so we can leave this crap.
PvP is fine as it is now. They just have to fix this extremely flawed matchmaking and then reset the leaderboard. Also, can this hidden rating become visible any time soon???
Not it’s far from being fine. SoloQ will never be fine, and the meta sucks. Currently the PvP has no e-sport and will never have if they continue doing things the way they do since 11 months.
1st step: add guild rating to Team Arena. So we have a GvG. Organized “e-sport” tournaments are already about guilds, so I can’t see the problem. And we can have 5 guilds. Perfect.
2nd step: make an unrated conquest format for practice/solo/experimenting.
3rd step: make Solo Arena a deathmatch. You would have to develop only 2-3 small maps at start and maybe disable elite skills, or only allow the ones with 90 sec cd or less.
4th step: replace hotjoin with a tournament that has multiple not neccessarily big maps, with different objectives and goals, and make it a progressive tournament, so 1 win takes you to the next map. The last map is global, only 1 match is going on at a time. Yes. The Heroes’ Ascent version of GW2, with the exception that the format is still 5, and you can join solo. No ratings.
5th step: observer mode for top rated conquest battles and last map of this hotjoin replacement. Hunting for twitch replays or authorized shoutcasters who I’ve never seen anywhere? Not effective and nobody likes this.
You could still keep shoutcasters, make the observer mode have a 10 min delay, and shoutcasters only 1, and shoutcasters could still stream their own organized tournaments. I see no boulders.
I didn’t add templates and rewards, because those are at the work.
I understand that ArenaNet didn’t want to split the community, but it translates to ‘no content to keep you playing’. If you want to keep and increase your PvP base, give them something to play. Most of the PvPers already left, and it’s been only 1 year of conquest. Where will this lead in 2-3 years?
Good suggestions +1, even if i’m pretty sure we talk to a wall.
The comunity is losing faith, we keep saying them how to improve their game and they keep doing their things. It takes MONTHS before they finally change their system to the system the community wanted because they realised it was better (example ? 3 round tournaments, leaderboard vs dumb paid tournaments, etc).
First time I come in this section, apparently Anet can fail on every aspects, not only PvP. This forum has always sucked, Log In issues, broken links, search not working, and so on and so forth.
Just pointing the fact the soloQ leaderboard has a bug : When you switch let’s say from 50% to 60% (so you gained 10%, you went up in the leaderboard), the arrow is red and state that you lost 10%. I guess it’s just a small error in coding (interchange red and green).
I don’t know if this problem happens in Team Arena too.
On comparable bases; ranged vs ranged, melee vs melee, multi-target vs multi-target. Go to the mists with a naked necro and a naked warrior. Equip a scepter on the necro and a longbow on the warrior. Observe the expected damage of autoattack on both. Then, equip a primary condition damage amulet with no power on the necro, and equip a primary power amulet on the warrior. Observe the expected damage.
And what I am doing here is proper mathematical study, something you people (Hawatak, Fenrir, et al) seem quite keen not to do, instead using phrases like “deals too many damages”, “needs only one stat”, “has no counter”, etc.
I guess you’re maybe not as good at maths as you say. When doing a study, you have to take care of BIAS. Comparing auto-attacks has absolutely NO SENSE and DOES NOT reflect the effectiveness of Condis/Power.
Mathematically, Power influences power damage slightly harder than Condition Damage improves condition damage.
On wich base ? The problem with this sentence is that some conditions stack INTENSITY, so you have to multiply the damages gain with Condition Damages with the number of stack of each condition. In fact, it’s hard to compare Condition damages with Power, also because direct attacks are modified with crit chance + damage crit. The only thing we can say without a proper mathematical study is that conditions deals TOO MANY DAMAGES for specs that should deal damage on a “long amount of time”, and not something close to a power burst.
All is right with the game, all is right with the classes, all is right with other ppls, all is rihgt with meta, all is right with tactics.
After all, thanks Anet we love you, thanks the balance team, thanks the PvP team working so hard since more than 11 months. Oh wait … 11 months already ? The guy must be working alone : Thanks we owe you much doing all this alone.
Omg that mouseclick, all rangers play like that ?
Seriously constructive criticism : bind all your skills (GW2 is basically a 11-14 key game) and stop the mouseclick !
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Not true at all currently. In fact, if you lose the first 2-3 games you will end up with a bad rating after the placement matches, and then I guess they’re enough posts on this forum explaining the “sinking boat” phenomenon.
This is indeed a disappointment, but I hope you guys that say “I’m not watching the finals now” are not serious. We need the viewership, this is a big “make or break” moment for the game’s spvp.
We need you to watch, and tell your friends to watch. Based on previous events, I’m assuming there will be little to no promotion of the PAX tournament.
Despite recent balance issues, this is such a great game. It’s disappointing that it’s the easy parts (in comparison) are lacking.
Thanks!
I’m sorry but I absolutely don’t want to support this game anymore as they keep firing bullets in their feet. The meta is gonna be the same for the tournament and i can’t watch this, nor do I can say to people “Hey c’mon try out this game this is awesome”, because actually, it’s not. So many potential, so many good things, but so many waste …
EDIT: Oh, and btw, I don’t like Anet behavior too. They keep this meta, they perfeclty KNOW this is crap, but because they hold a small (yes, 10k cash prize is small) tournament, they make every players stay with this for months. This is unacceptable.
A lot of those “Known players” have accepted the shift in meta and have picked up new classes; the reason is the current meta is just not enjoyable to play for a various amount of reasons.
Can’t help asking: What is an enjoyable meta?
Imo the GC-burst was not enjoyable, nor were the unkillable , ever-evading classes. Nor is the current meta focused on conditions. Personally I have always been a support-minded person when it comes to gaming, and GC-burst and some exclusive classes access to it without real punishment really killed that part of the fun for me.
Is burst really a “better” meta? Genuinely interested in hearing your opinion and elaboration on the matter..
The fact is, although the GC Meta wasn’t the greatest, there was a lot of teamwork involved and supporting your team mates was very viable; being coordinated in team fight also mattered a lot
let me give you a few examples of this, as a Mesmer dealing with conditions was difficult and having lost sustain; for this reason I always had to coordinate with phantaram that I run in for his heals and move out, I would at times push forward to lower pressure on our guard or ele, until the re-sustained.
In the current meta that sort of play is no longer possible; the heavy condi meta means that you need to bring your own “personal” condition removal.
S/D thieves diving the backline, means that no matter how coordinated you are, you still can’t protect your backline, as he is free to do it as many times he likes.
If you notice most classes that are brought in, are classes that are able to duel very well in a 1v1 (S/D Thief, Spirit Ranger, Necro and Engineer), they are also classes that are very self sufficient, meaning they can hold their own with little support.
This doesn’t mean that teamwork is out of the window, but it does mean that you can be a lot less coordinated and still achieve great results, but fact is its a lot more boring to play then the old GC meta, because its mainly about spamming condi’s from afar.
it’s really hard to explain all of it in writing, if you want to discuss it further, I would be happy to get on voice com and do so.
I won’t be watching selfish flamming kids from CC at PAX, this game wants e-sport ? Bring the community people with a good behavior to represent the game to begin …
What about defining some roles when queing for soloQ, and matching 1 people from role 1, 2 people from role 2, 2 people from role 3 together (this is an example) in order to have more baalnced teams ?
Because actually, even if players are matched up with MMR, team composition can really make a huge difference.
It’s not really working like that mister The Boz. 120% is 120% even though you take double damage, also i’m not sure you take more damage from conditions (I wasn’t even aware for the double damage part)
The conditions aren’t what is op, they can easily be removed. What’s op is the undying engi’s and ele’s tanking 4 people and never getting downed, perma protection and no-recharge-mass-condition removals on both of those classes is the problem.
I think you’re some patches behind us, stop playing on private server dude.
When you begin to see 5 rangers teams, you SHOULD think there is a problem with the meta. Just sayin’ …
I’ve seen 5 Thief Teams, 5 Mesmer Teams (go team Mesmer), 5 Necro Teams, 5 Guardian Teams… and they all stomped people… This is not a reflection of “the meta”.
Spirit Rangers are good. But the way you are whining about them is stupid and unjustifiable. I’m hard pressed to think that you are a good player.
ever see a 5 warrior team stomp a team of necro, engi, ranger,mesmer in soloq?
Can I just say that Warriors are amazing right now in tpvp and they are currently the hardest counter to necro’s and engi’s.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahaahhahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahaha. Oh your serious. This is akward
I created a Warriors for yoloQ and it’s actually true. Even if i’m a bad Warrior, stunlock spec is a counter of Necros and Engis. And I’m pretty sure i could kill some rangers in a few.
Standard case of getting a taste of sweet power and not being able to let go.
Every team has 1 and most times 2 necros and even more sp rangers.
A condi necro facerolls against decent eles ,mesmers even engis sometimes without requiring any experience and has thrown out of meta a lot of builds and even whole classes.
I know you like the current situation because the meta favors your main class and you can do really well in soloq and matches in general.But you got to understand that me and a lot of people have come to the conclusion that we need to reroll to spranger,necro,s/d thief (warrior? ) to even have a chance to enjoy this game any more..
And pls ..this isnt my opinion.Its a fact being proven by every kittening soloq match where necros and rangers are 70% of the classes.
