Guild Wars 2

It’s never been confirmed that there is actually a second tree. All evidence is pointing towards it, but Caithe’s doubts and the missing proof shows that it may not exist.

We have some more racial “capital cities”. Skritt, kodan, ogre, quaggan, hylek, (jotun) all have a bigger city which can be called main town (minor or major capital based on their racial structure). Adding just the extinct human races with their capitals in Orr and Ascalon (they are dead, but still around).
Finally pointing to the races where we haven’t seen any capital by now like largos, centaurs, more hylek and maybe even harpies. Those may be located on continental Tyria. It’s still not enough that we know of our continent, that it’s hard to speculate what is lying bejond.

The methods of the order are quite profane:

- A lot agents with unknown identity
- You basically just get to know the next higher rank. Independent how long you’ve been in the order, you just get the information you need to work with.
- Three high ranked member are the only ones who know the Master of Whisper (Preceptors). The information which his spreaded, is that one of them is the MoW, but only they know who it is. Surely we get the information, but we are one of them who defended the headquarter together with 1stfirstborn doing the major work on defense.
- Fights are majorly handled with distraction, sneaking, false herrings and information. Why fight the dredge if we can turn the dredge and steam creatures against one another (renown heart in Lornar’s Pass). Krait versus risen (renown heart in Mount Maelstrom)

All this added with some mysterial gossip including the help of several (racial-)leaders gives them the power they have.

The only dropped stories are the greatest fears in which you:

Tonn – blow things up
Syska – a high ranked member was replaced by Zhaitans forces, trying to weaken the highest ranks
Apatia – the krait have a strange blue orb which keeps the risen away, let’s steal it (the orb is still part of a later story)

The remaining mixed up storylines still have all informations which they had from the start. You may miss some background about NPCs which you meet during greatest fear. The 70 and 80 storylines once were parallel and were separated for better understanding of the plot. You were ordered to Arah after the orrian waters have been cleaned in the original setup (with a short stop in Fort Trinity).

Towards the eyes. There are three which you fight during the personal story, you meet two which you don’t fight and you do not get the information if you have fought this two, but it’s not important. There are two bigger bosses in the open world and some more in other events (like the temple event “Gates of Arah”). There is just one spirit coming from these eyes and this is during the personal story.

Basically it’s your story. If you aren’t sylvari, you meet him first during assault on claw island and you both have the same target (the dragon) and help one another.

I totally agree with the idea that the Pale Tree staged the attack, but I didn’t expect that it plays the victim. I thought she uses it to take another leader out, but that attack unites the nations better. All racial leaders were attacked and that is a very good way to unite them against one enemy aside from their common sorrows.

Just some more observations:

The creatures spawn inside the chamber and the light of the tree turned out. I think the lights are natural luminescence and open up the question why they turn off while the dragon approaches. Either the Pale Tree was attacked from the “inside” which endagers the whole Grove or it was managed/controlled by the Pale Tree. After some of them are slaughtered and the dragon was beaten everything turned peaceful. We didn’t do anything inside the Pale Tree, so the danger is in the Grove with either an infected Pale Tree or a lying Pale Tree.

The timing was perfect. It’s a pattern which I realized during SoS and PS.

Many people link Nightmare Court and Mordremoth. The Nightmare Court seeks for a way to release the sylvari from the dream into the nightmare. They only have one Pale Tree and their prior idea to release it is that Ventari’s Tablet needs to get destroyed. Either the Nightmare Court is wrong or the dragon doesn’t really care about the Pale Tree, maybe even the destroying of the tablet is not a solution, but the dragon didn’t take the opportunity to do it. Further was the Nightmare Court not active during the whole story (so far).

The strange disguise Anise used and her absence in the Omphalos chamber hints that she might know more or surmised the attack.

It’s different, because the one I mention is activated only if you have that personal story step activated. All those revenge events are available multiple times and spawn according to story taken and position on the world map independed from the actual story. The event I am talking about is available once per character and only in this story step which is not available anymore.

Edit: Found the event listed in the wiki, if I am not wrong then it’s kind of lost (except for those few who still have that story step open).
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Destroy_the_undead_mesmer_illusions

rathy.2075:

Where come the orb that protect the fort Trinity?

You retrieve the orb during Apatia arc. Do you reference the battle for Fort Trinity? Is this mission also gone? (Haven’t played PS since change)

ElysianEternity.6215:

Tho I can’t remember anymore if Syska was also mentioned/hinted at.

Syska is lying in a cave in the open world and is the only story arc I know which has an open world event tied to it (If you had the story and interacted with the body an event started in that cave).

Well, that’s really another strange thing. They claim that the water get warmer in Frostgorge (which should be closer to Jormag), but in the racial symphathy arc they are fleeing from corrupted ice which is coming from the south into their village (the ice appears during the story slowly from south to north in Dredgehaunt which has a higher distance to the speculated position of Jormag). Maybe dragons have less direct influence and bigger things are going on.

This book has no author, no writing year and lists just 4 dragons. It might be well-thumbed, but lists obviously just observations of the last ~200 years. It doesn’t really help to get informations about the last rise and the nature of the dragons.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Nothing states that Zhaitan is actually undead. He’s called the Elder Undead Dragon because his corruption takes the form of undeath.

Necromancer minions are undead which never have been alive and cannot get corrupted by risen (Trahearne during personal story). Every part of Zhaitan which we encounter has something tied to it. In the case of the eye and the mouth we can see a risen attached to the bodies and in the case of a floating eye it doesn’t make sense to do so. We shot the dragon down with the same color pattern delivered everywhere (red, blue and green laser). The blue laser tears the dragon down, but something from it’s back is ripped off with that laser.

He is surely called the undead dragon, but created undead and risen are different. So I see the possibility open that he is created as undead. Further are the elder dragons so different from common dragons that it’s also possible that the elder dragon are contructs or artifical in another way. Set up during the creation of the world as a natural force to balance magic.

Jaken.6801:

• Vision 1: What Scarlet Saw?*
  Scarlet entered Ormadds machine and the player followed in S2. Both saw a vision, appeaerently dipicting the Eternal Alchemy as well as the Eldar Dragons and the Pale Tree . Up to this point it is still unclear what they really saw. The PC seems to be sure it shows the dangers of Mordremoth to the world, however as the players we have no idea. What is the meaning of these images?

We don’t know if we see the same like her, since the machine was altered by herself after Omadd. We don’t know the time frame the vision shows (at least it doesn’t show the time frame we’ve been into the machine, since the world would look different if the vision affects the whole world)

Jaken.6801:

• Why did Tequatle become stronger?*
  Tequatle got a sudden power up in S1 which is supposed to be part of the LS. Up to this date we got no other mentioning or explanation on how that happened. (they said it is not just a gameplay mechanic, it has a story)

We cannot say for sure that Zhaitan was really alive (aside from he was moving). It’s actually kept open that not just lex lines can get redirected, even elder dragons could get used by someone who knows how (see Snaff). There are a lot thing in the personal story which show that risen are applied to the body of the Zhaitan and that is maybe to spread the corruption further. The risen have a flaw, they cannot use undead and the orrian dragon is an undead dragon, so the only way to use the undead carcass would be to apply a risen body to it to get it moving (Mouth of Zhaitan —> Risen in a mouth suite, Eye of Zhaitan —> floating eye with a risen backpack, final fight blue laser —> some bigger part breaks away from the dragon). The dragon probably wasn’t the source for the risen, it was just a relay used by risen.

Jaken.6801:

• What is Mordremoths goal?*
  Does he have one beside feasting? Are his attacks planned, or just the signs of his awakening? Was he guided to the World summit? Who are his allies? Mordremoth in general is still a big mystery.

Just want to point out the absence of the nightmare court and the missed oppurtunity to destroy Ventari’s tablet.

Jaken.6801:

• What is the consortium up to?*
  Being rather silent the last year, the consortium was introduced as a rival company for Evon Gnashblades Black Lion Company. They are a shady bunch and do even step on boundries for money, but they gave us access to the fractals. What is their next move?*

Interesting with them is that they not just gather money for their services. They collect the local drops and give some stuff in exchange for that, some even without extra payment.

Jaken.6801:

• What happened in the fractals laboratory?*
  The fractal laboratory seems to be a fractal itself. What happend there? Why oes it reset?

It’s called Mistlock Observatory, it observes locked mists. With Dessa’s work there is a possibility that the fractals are either caused by this observatory or that they have another source and the observatory is the fixing lab, but how should it get fixed if we redo any of these events just like they have/may have/will have happened? Why does it reset? It’s a loop with a fixed beginning and end. In some theories about time travel it is possible to stretch the universe into a loop with an anomaly, but it’s always forgotten the the anomaly has to exist even at the point the travel should go to. The fractals are such an anomaly and exist between those time frames at the moment until they are able to leave it.
For what happened there, well there is the great golem rise of the asura, the great gate accident and we don’t even know if Thaumanova caused even more problems (note: the is a giant gate above the reactor). One fractal is even an asuran city which obviously nobody misses or talks about. Sadly there are just too many incidents which probably caused flaws in the veil between Tyria and the mists that we cannot really filter (Actual expectable solution would be: Scarlet stole the plans for the infinity ball, built one for her own purposes and locked intentional some mists because she wanted to wake Mordremoth. Since the mistlock lab wanted to investigate it, she sent it there too to stop any progress, but leaving the feeling that somebody cares about it)

Stephen.6312:

A Brief Recapitulation Of The Points That We Have Covered
To summarize thus far, I propose the following:
1. At least one Elder Dragon died during their last rise.

We learned that the elder dragons are natural forces. Somebody brought up that they are probably not alive during their sleep or there is another reason the races decided to deliver that it’s better to hide away from the dragon instead of fighting them. Imagine the Mursaat, which have survived the dragons well, could have set up an army and slaughtered them in their sleep.
At least one of the dragons never was alive. It’s Zhaitan which probably even was created as an undead. I think the term living elder dragon might have to get defined more precise to talk about a dead dragon. On a closer observation it is possible that the undead orrian dragon which never was alive got taken out of the game in form of a “dead” undead elder dragon (revived by risen).
But after all we do not have proof to say for sure, we don’t even have evidence to say that one of them died.

Stephen.6312:

2. The five races initially attempted to fight the Elder Dragons in a similar manner to the way in which the Pact currently are. However, after a period of time it became obvious to them all that force would not prevail. Instead, the races decided to ride the rise out in hiding.

It’s implied that there were six races fighting six dragons. And there are a lot powerful artifacts, even in form of huge buildings which seem to be magictech too (I perceive every technology in guildwars as forms of magitech). The jotun have a lot magical places, but even they do not know where they are and how they are used. (just trying to say that the power of the old races might be equal to ours, maybe even higher)

The zephyrites told on their ships that it’s better to hide away if the dragons stir and they have hold the heir of Glint (whatever that really means). The Sons of Svanir also tell that you shouldn’t step in the way of the dragon (he isn’t interested in you, but he gives no kitten about collateral damage). There might be a reason that makes sense to hide away instead of engaging.

The picture probably shows the slaughter of the owl. Jormag killed one spirit of the wyld which is represented in Sowden Drifts south-east corner. Owl’s Abattoir

Norn raven uses his wings as arms. In the picture is more likely a griffon.

Wanderer.3248:

It makes little sense to me that both the Nightmare court and Scarlet (who rejected that path) are minions of Mordremoth. If Scarlet is working to the detriment of the Court, it implies that either Scarlet, or the Court, were not / are not Dragon minions.

That is, assuming that logic has anything to do with it.

I don’t believe the Pale Tree anymore. It’s up to something that we shouldn’t know. And the Pale Tree is the only creature that confirmed the corruption of Scarlet. With actual state of information, we can say that only the soundless can get corrupted. The nightmare court hasn’t even shown up in the actual releases. We see some creatures which usually go along with the court, but no sylvari member of the court. Nightmare != Mordremoth

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Fun fact: Faolain not once mentions the Nightmare as the “true path” of the sylvari race.

Sure, but the seeds Ronan found were guarded by terrible plant creatures. The seed has an origin which we don’t know and was influenced from the moment Ronan got it. Faolain doesn’t mention it, but with the fact that the nightmare is older than the dream or the sylari are a new race on Tyria, it is possible that through the Pale Tree, the nightmare is captured and slowly transformed into the dream (not knowing if there is somebody who can be named to gather/loose this power).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

“The Dream is many things. It is light and dark, love and anger, good and evil. So are we.”

or

“The court doesn’t seek to destroy either the sylvari or the Pale Tree. We’re trying to free you from the influence of Ventari’s Tablet.”

Those quotes basically support the two sides of one medal. The dream and the nightmare do not really differ, except there is a pseudo rule set which is probably written on an enchanted stone to underline the nice side of the sylvari while it isn’t more than a religious codec which can get free interpretations (insert random enemy of choice and re-interpet). Taunting them with basically pointless rules.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Faolain, however, never preaches any of this. She fell to Nightmare and embraced it, and all we see her talking about is that Caithe specifically belongs by her side, in the Nightmare Court. Faolain herself never mentions a care about bringing the Pale Tree to Nightmare, or spreading the Nightmare. She merely seeks to bring Caithe into Nightmare.

Faolain showed everytime more emotions like Caithe. There are even more nightmare courtiers who embrace it, but they look into the same world with the same eyes and see the nightmare at the same places where we see something else. The Pale Tree cannot get turned to nightmare, either it’s the complete opposite of it or the dream is the nightmare in disguise.

Wandering storywriter which earn their money with telling stories for food and wine. On their route they stop at one or another pub/inn/hotel/brewery and the innkeeper gives him some food if he entertain the location with one of his stories or the player can donate food/drink/coins. Those people can represent the smaller stories of GW1 & 2 which are mostly about one person and his track limited to one happening. He uses the stories to earn money, so he tells only one story per payment and maybe it’s even just a step in the bigger story (for example he tells how the player fought the mouth of Zhaitan, but not the whole battle against the dragon, because this will cost some payments extra). To finalize those travellers, it might be fun if they get drawn into events and to pay you for your help, they tell you one story for free.

For the bigger stories of the guild wars universe there would be a mobile theater match. They can tell stories from the past with common theater equipment (no magic involved) and artistic accuracy (it needs to entertain the people, truth is secondary requirement). For an easier maintenance on developer side there might be some maps where the theater has some fixed positions. The stories can rotate and are presented once an hour or once every two hours (and new one can get created if there is desire/room to do so). The common viewer is a bunch of random NPCs which go to their places short before the presentation starts. The cashier can announce the start of the next presentation in the last 5 minutes to get attention from the next random PC. Some flyer can get hung out in the major cities/next smaller cities telling the actual position and the stories which are in the actual program. It moves with the updates. Two weeks to built their camp on the “new” position, four weeks to perform at location, two weeks to pack together. The theater doesn’t really need to change during their travel, but their viewer should change based on the maps. Maybe there is the old human grandmother whose grand-grand-father fought in one of the stories, the asura who wants to achieve a less complex view onto a research and tries it with distraction through the simplyfied view on history of the humans, the charr who just wants to know what lies there are told, the norn who doesn’t want to be in a shadow of another legend, the sylvari sapling who is just curious.

Well, that’s a lot. Maybe not even worth the effort, but maybe a nice idea is among it.

BobbyStein.2315:

If they weren’t presented as tours for other racial cities but instead shown with characters walking and talking about their surroundings (perhaps independent of player participation) it could get the information across while also differentiating the feel of the different races. Thoughts?

The easiest are norn, which can talk about legendary achievements tied to a person which is preferably norn. Places where big battles were held will have some persons to talk about and pass the story sideways. If I got the culture right, it could also be fallible as long as it is fantastic: “He built the fortification so fast, that the enemy didn’t even realize that he built it in their back” or “This was a forrest once until Horben decided to cut it down with his broken sword” up to “He stung his sword into the valley and it started to bleed water until it reached the level of the scar. That is what the skaald sung about this sea.” The skaalds can simply show some unintended coincidences (a famous norn sneezed while Jormag rose and he doesn’t know why he rose, so his first explanation and those of all other norn around would be that the sneeze woke the dragon).
I like to note that I miss some skaalds around in the open world, maybe some norn will sit down at nighttime at the next campfire and tell their most favorite skaald (which doesn’t neccessarily need to be tied to the location where they are, but more to the norn telling).

Sylvari are also kind of easy. Either they tell what they know from the dream about a location and with the different knowledge the sylvari gain from the dream it could be one sylvari telling another one. Or use their curiosity. Let them accompany any voyage and while they are passing through a POI they can ask they fellow travellers about this and that. Maybe annoy them just more with more questions about the details. “Why is the wall slant?” – “Because the ground dropped.” – “Why isn’t it fixed?” – “Nobody lives there anymore.”- “And why is there nobody living?” – “Don’t you see the wall is slant.” – “But …” – “Listen, this was once the … (and so on)” I hear this as a conversation between sylvari and a very patient asura, but it could be nearly any other race. A norn could easily switch to the joy of telling a skaald which maybe inspires his approach on being legendary. A human could try to tell the whole time, but is always interrupted by new questions. A charr can simply try to tell of things he likes to push the dialogue in a direction he likes or react with the usualy emotional personal experiences of the charr to negate or emphasize with the location.

Asura can introduce their apprentice to a location where they do their next studies or tie it to a great invention/accident. Maybe even some mystery on why this places is special is unknown, but things like this or that are working there. Parts of historical events can be missed out with them, because their prior interest is technology and barely history. Other races or the Durmand Priory can cover those stories either with a historian searching for more informations or a confirmation of a certain (but at all unimportant) information at that location. Hylek are in most areas were the asura are around and their spiritual guards may know something about locations too.

Charr have mostly emotional ties in regards to the war against humans. So they can tell about many places from this perspective. The iron legion shows pride with their inventions, blood legion with their captured goods/pacified areas and ash legion with informations what got destroyed there. Two charr can even start a competition about a small detail of a story that happened there.

The human aren’t a problem too. Simple travel groups like families where the parents warn their children about certain threats up to human children wich even use their learned knowledge to warn others (which can lead to funny dialogues with adults of any race). Guards arguing about the place they should guard (is it even neccessary?), the admirer of a place or something that happened there (please be careful with this place) or simply a cook who stores his ingredients in a ruin and wants a more dry room inside it (even the rats in this room mummified while I have to dry my hand after I use one doorhandle in the basement).

Mercenaries have seen much and are maybe ready to tell you a story of this or that place. In this case it might be tied to a task they did/denied there. Maybe they even charge some silver (1-10) for their informations.

… continued …

My guess is that both acknowledged the entity which is behind the nightmare. While Faolain accepted it and saw how her race the sylvari are turned away from their true origins, she decided to stay and help. Faolain had everytime question while Caithe was searching for answers. Caithe searched further and wanted to know why the entity is trapped where it is and got two possible answers:

a) the entity is the same as the dream. The dream is a disguise for it to achieve it’s targets (which are connected to dragon hunting). This would effectively mean that dream and nightmare have the same source (and it doesn’t need to be a dragon). The Pale Tree can use the nightmare to keep the attention on the task or hold it’s people together while both sides are working for it.

b) the entity is fought by the dream. It’s older and very powerful. The dream(‘s hidden entity) slowly drains it’s magic to convert the nightmare into the dream. This would mean that there are two entities fighting (and none has to be a dragon).

There is no return from the nightmare, because the nightmare is a hidden truth and everyone who was able to see behind the veil is unable to forget what he saw.

With Faolain at the nightmare court, the Pale Tree has basically the influence on both sides.

Caithe decided to stay with the Pale Tree ( for a it’s pointless to switch sides or b she decided for the better one) to have an easier time to work with what she knows.

Scarlet giggled as she raised her hand to her face and watched the red thorn vine chase itself between her fingers. “So much makes sense now. The Pale Tree, the Nightmare Court, Caithe and Faolain…it’s all part of a grand design.

“But I see the flaws in that design. My people don’t have to take what we’re given, or be what we were “born to be.” No people do. We can change the rules…well, I can. And I’m going to.”

…

“I’ve learned so much,” Scarlet continued. “Now I have to put that knowledge to use. An insurmountable challenge is rising, and my people have been called to meet it. We are compelled by our creator to do so.

“But I reject that call. I reject the notion that that I must choose the Dream or be lost to Nightmare. The forces that push us this way or that can be redirected. They can be set against one another to the detriment of both, and now I know how.”

The point where we stole the orb was full of risen krait afterwards in the personal story. Now there are no risen anymore, just normal krait. I wonder if they pulled another orb and what did they do with the risen there.

The pact uses equal magic for their smaller forts in Orr while the orb should just be in Fort Trinity. And these smaller forts use usually thorn vines along with the blue glowing magic.

The corruption some dragons are spreading needs some fuel to go on. I wonder why such a great creature would invest so much magic while it’s only desire is to devour it. The corruption itselfs seems to devour the body and replaces the devoured parts with common dragon magic.
Zhaitan → rotten flesh
Jormag → ice
Kralkatorric → crystal
Primordus → stone & fire
Mordremoth → plants
(DSD → water)
Those devouring processes still happen while the (based on dragon different) creature is already corrupted. All this is based on the assumption that anything in Tyria is based on magic. To avoid the “because magic” point it can be divided into several base magics (about which we know barely). Just to try an example: a rat and a stone of equal size contain probably the same amount of magic at all, but the stone is just made of earth magic while the rat is made of life, earth, water and some other stuff.

Zhaitan is a great example for selection. While he probably doesn’t devour souls/spirits, he corrupts just those who had a soul prior (assuming that undead usually don’t have one). The moment Trahearne casts his small undead army, he tells us that Zhaitan cannot take them over, because they’ve never been alive and that is something that’s well shown with some cases about the dragon himself with using additional risen to get his undead body parts moving (eye and mouth). The abominations show that no full body is needed and the risen could be crafted from parts of prior living bodies. I omit the wraiths at this point, because someone pointed out that they shouldn’t be able to live on Tyria (they belong to underworld? any more info might be helpful).

Zhaitan had a lot magical sources around him and didn’t really use them. He guarded the Artesian waters that they can spread the corruption. He didn’t much the temples away while they are full of magic. Pyrite island omitted and he slept close to a bloodstone which also wasn’t worth to get consumed. For a natural disaster who doesn’t care which magic he devours, he is very selective.

Jormag drew power from the Svanir to rise in your comment, but that isn’t neccesarily the same magic he likes to devour. The icebrood are turned against their will and turned into his mindless army which is still steady turned into ice in a longer progress. I cannot say very much about Jormag, especially how he devours (the corruption is the only way visible).

The Pale Tree seems fallible or is deliberately lying. It cannot tell that it protects the sylvari against every dragon and on the hand tell that Mordremoth can corrupt them. The resistance that I talk about is they might be existing in another mist (one of the copies of Tyria) while showing up in our world making them incorruptible from our side while they are still corruptible from the mist side, but there is still no information around how the sylvari birth really works and I doubt the Pale Tree tells.

The missing ghosts need to get reinvestigated, mismatched some dates that I could verify through wiki. Well, I shouldn’t investigate at all, since I never played GW1, the story isn’t really present and all important NPC know more than they tell.

Angel McCoy.1832:

Horst Hortensie.5420:

Would it be a spoiler to tell what Scarlet’s wyld hunt was or is it already in game and I just missed it?

If she had one, what would you guess it was?

With all the studies she did, it must be more complex like the cleaning of Orr. It can’t be a dragon hunt. With all that knowledge about weapons, synergetics, dynamics, statics, metal, hylek alchemy and finally going into the eternal alchemy for getting a better view I assume she was sent to fight the nightmare.

It’s better to know what you are fighting, but that isn’t easy if it’s even not exacly clear what the dream is. The nightmare is older than the dream, but both are connected somehow.

Would it be a spoiler to tell what Scarlet’s wyld hunt was or is it already in game and I just missed it?

@König
I still have a personal theory in which a) the story isn’t retconed and b) the sylvari and the nightmare don’t belong to Mordremoth. I still miss why that all happens.

His words told me indirectly that I should lead the pact which is impossible, because I am still member of an order. I am okay with commander title.

I got the feeling too that he was a bad replacement of my order mentor, but without him I would have had to do all the things without backup. I wouldn’t have been able to unite the orders and actually missing any useful backup for the fight against the dragon turning the story into one with some helping hands against a dragon.

The “boring” voicing of the character is well done in my eyes showing his concerns and the full weight of the task he got, but that is far from being best friends. All of our order mentors had their special moments (Tybalts mission status, Sieran – Gixx – Relation or the overdrawn fun rude way Forgal did his missions) and all of them showed joy during their missions. Trahearne gave an emotionless feeling but stepped to our side as soon as we lost our partner. He did well and there are people in real life which are doing things for the greater good without beeing recognized or are even liked.

The only thing that he did wrong is that he should have come along on the final stage. He should have helped fighting the dragon, but no, he gives us the pact resources for the mission (making us the temporary leader of the pact) and welcomes the heroes after the fight with throwing a giant party. I mean, he was on every important mission around, but not on our final one while we are the reason he was able to finish his final mission.

The foefire ghost remained in the brand while anything else was transformed and the corruption the dragons do is kind of devouring. Jormag devours flesh and replaces it with ice. Zhaitan devoured souls, the reason he never raised/used true undead. Kralkatorric seems to devour ?anything? and replaces it with crystals. Anything in the brand (even plants) was turned into crystal, except foefire ghosts. This happened while creating the brand (see Almorra Soulkeeper’s warband). Maybe the foefire ghosts share the same “immunity” like sylvari.

Sadly even this is limited, because there are some small areas in which the ghost should still exist (I don’t know a possibility to finally destroy them), but they are simply not there (which is either design oversight or planned).

The Mordrem at all seem at the moment well selected. There are no other not plant creatures beside the wolf and the hound. All others on his way are killed. It looks like we have two dragons now that do not use corruption or corrupt very selective (assuming that Mordremoth can grow his plants including husks).

Primordus destroyers show another behaviour which is extremely uncommon for a dragon. They seem to hatch (skritt sympathy & asura VOED).

Assuming that Kralkatorric did a speed snack with the brand, then the ghosts are resistent to dragon devouring.

Kalavier.1097:

Horst Hortensie.5420:

We shouldn’t forget that Kasmeer and Faren know each other. They were once a group of eight and this past seems to have a special sory (Kasmeer doesn’t like Faren). Whatever makes her special, it might be the same like Faren and six others we cannot tie into the group (maybe they are already known).

As a side note: the story that Kasmeer told about loosing her family and manor reminded me on how Caudecus got his manor.

Group of eight? Was this mentioned in her short story? I doubt Jennah’s court only has six people, might mean group of eight noble friends (of sorts).

And how did Caudecus get his manor? The thing is almost the same size (or bigger) as beetlestone(or whatever the town is called) after all :P

The group of eight was mentioned during secret of southsun in ambient at the beach were Kasmeer and Faren stood around and talked. A short search didn’t show the dialogue. Gotta search more intense. I am not sure if it’s even in the wiki, because a reddit user drove this dialogue around (at a time were it still was open to scrutiny).

Caudecus got his manor from another noble, but again there I am failing to show evidence. Further am I not sure were I got this information (human PS, dungeon, Demmi or a random NPC between Beetlestone and Divnity’s Reach). It’s been a long time I read/heard it, but it was before I realized Kasmeer.

Keppa used skritt as gatherer and even paid them (surely with shinies), but that ended at some point.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Why do you link Orr to ghosts, when Orr is ghostless?

There is Romke and his crew, but they are probably tied to the map of the spirits of the wild or another magic that simply doesn’t let them go. I wouldn’t tie them to ley lines. I think their cause is a rampaging powerful entity.

Linking Orr to the Foefire might be right or not. Rytlock used an old orrian spell which was so old that there is no doubt (which is a very vague statement).

Well at least the waypoints help in the time frame. It wouldn’t be possible otherwise to travel from the ley line hub to Concordia, Fort Salma and back to the ley line hub in two weeks. Additional do we arrive at Concordia short after it got attacked. Even the travel through Dry Top should take some days in real time. The syncing of the calendar was probably planned for the story, but it proved impossible with the attack of the Karka at LA.

Chaos magic one of the central problems we have. It shouldn’t be at many places, maybe it shouldn’t be there at all, but we have a class that is based on it.

The consortium seems not to belong to the inquest. It’s a separate oraganisation which is probably around before the asura came to the surface. Some lines that Dessa told hinted about it.

Anise is a very powerful mesmer and Marjory lost E at the moment she turned around. The reason I took her into consideration is:

a) mesmer magic is mind magic and an illusion can leave the same impression like a real person (independent from gender, compare Anise’s tricks at the first part of LS2 E4 especially if you fail to avoid recognition)

b) complete unawareness of Marjory and the comfortable feeling she got while got catched by E.

c) disappearing of E without leaving traces.

The only point I sorted mesmer magic out is that mesmer magic is loud, but that might just apply to the position the mesmer is casting. If Anise casted an illusion for her disguise on the position of Marjory, then the noise would just have been on Anise’s position. Further seems Anise so powerful that she might cover the noise with another illusion or mind trick.

In another line Anise drops that she isn’t happy that Canach was caught and that she needs some special assistant who is capable of not being caught. It sounded like a cautious, but reckless murder she ordered with Canach. Putting him into the pact may end with some dead people.

Shiren.9532:

The only part I can’t figure out is why Kasmeer is special. It was stated it happened around the time of the Tower of Nightmares, but why would Kasmeer of all people get special powers?

We shouldn’t forget that Kasmeer and Faren know each other. They were once a group of eight and this past seems to have a special sory (Kasmeer doesn’t like Faren). Whatever makes her special, it might be the same like Faren and six others we cannot tie into the group (maybe they are already known).

Kasmeer was the major investigator of the Tower and revealed it (while we still don’t really know why she found it). She was one of the people who were exposed the longest time to the poison of the Tower (she stayed even after everyone was rescued). Same goes for Marjory, but she is a necromancer and it might have ties with mesmer magic. The whole tower was hidden under a giant illusion and the poison caused illusions showing that they was a lot of mind altering magic around (and the Tower itself showed consciousness).

As a side note: the story that Kasmeer told about loosing her family and manor reminded me on how Caudecus got his manor.

It’s bilateral. The skritt seem by far more intelligent like any asura if just some of them get together and if they do so they start to call the asura dumb. The skritt possibly understand more of the eternal alchemy and try to keep the world together while the asura are more or less working on destroying it without understanding why.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Retsuko.2035:

The pale tree was a key to a better understanding about tyria and the dragons. Would think that the person/creature/whatever who set up the attack on the grove did this with the intention of preventing us to get a better understanding about the world and the eternal alchemy. Question is, who would benefit from it, and why.

Also who would benefit from assaulting all the leaders of tyria? White Mantle? inquest?

…the dragon that doesn’t want the entire world focused on killing him?

Then it used a wrong tactic to assault all leader without wiping their armies.
Whitebear? Replaceable. Smodur? Replaceable. Phlunt? Replaceable. Jennah? Replaceable.
Even worse, it collects anger and instead of fighting one enemy at a time. It goes after all at once, but that’s maybe not interesting seeing where it attacks.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Horst Hortensie.5420:

I played through personal story several times and took a closer look at the orrian spy, the risen spy and the undead spy of Zhaitan. While all are sharing the same model, they are 3 different creatures. Not only by name, their background is different and just one of them was turned into a risen.

By spy do you mean the three creatures seen before The Battle of Claw Island (one per order) which go by the names of “Orrian Scout,” “Undead Scout,” and “Risen Creature”? They have the same background – they’re all scouts for Zhaitan that prelude a massive invasion, and all are risen. If that’s what you mean, I don’t know what you do by a “spy”.

Yes I mean those three creatures. They are all scouts, but on different positions and they took different ways into LA and they are 3 different creatures of the same type (kind of dragon hatchling which is different from the common drake).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Horst Hortensie.5420:

The switching between overgrown and mordrem hints towards two armies. At first I thought that overgrown was a generic name to introduce mordrem, but why reuse them afterwards? I even have an idea were overgrown corruption comes from , but I need to wait for more evidence.

I doubt that the Overgrown are a different army, the Overgrown not only share the same model a the Mordrem versions in Challenger Cliffs (while using Nightmare Court variant models in Brisban Wildlands and Cornered), but they fight side-by-side with a couple Mordrem.

Well, I doubt that I’ll get more evidence before next season. Maybe it’s just a intermediate state, maybe not. It doesn’t confirm or negate my point if they fight side-by-side. I’ll keep my eyes open.

hardy.7469:

Also I JUST noticed that at the very beginning the trees are set up in a way where you can see a female Sylvari face. lol

nice catch – extracted it from the HD version listed here

I played through personal story several times and took a closer look at the orrian spy, the risen spy and the undead spy of Zhaitan. While all are sharing the same model, they are 3 different creatures. Not only by name, their background is different and just one of them was turned into a risen.

The switching between overgrown and mordrem hints towards two armies. At first I thought that overgrown was a generic name to introduce mordrem, but why reuse them afterwards? I even have an idea were overgrown corruption comes from , but I need to wait for more evidence.

I think there is a difference between mordrem and overgrown. I think the overgrowth is another spreaded corruption. I cannot see another reason to name them differently.

After this episode I have to add Anise to the list of possible candidates for E.

I think it’s Knut Whitebear. Eir will take the position as leader and all Norn will fight all elder dragon instead of just the one they fear the most. The hunt intensifies.

But we see just the lights going off and something arriving (from its PoV). We don’t even can tell that someone dies there and if it’s the case then it would be possible that Jennah gets captured (again). Whatever arrives there, it seems to counter the magic of the Pale Tree (since I think those lights are powered from its magic).

The six human races is more a wyld idea, since Doern Velazquez doesn’t tell from which human empire he origins (just like it’s an unknown one or he is something in disguise) and the sylvari which are probably another human race (human spirits from another mist filled into a plant husk). But it’s just another theory, because any sign of proof is just not delivered.

Even the Pale Tree describes Ventari as half human half horse. So the Pale Tree knows what a horse is.

Those corruption is not mentioned in historical documents and therefore hard to say if it even belongs to the dragons aside from we see them doing it in the actual rise. A closer look at the risen corruption still has space to say that the corruption came to the dragon and spread further through it. The dragon was probably not the primary source of it (and this may be similar with Jormag).

The free agents seem to be mercenaries. In Harathi there is at least one mercenary camp and they are doing some parts of the centaur war and are hired by the seraph.

BlackGhostz.2483:

Horst, see that doesn’t make sense in my opinion. If the gods are not powerful enough to take on the dragons yet mortals with a medium size rag tag army are able to take on the dragons then I find it hard to believe that the gods would turn tail and run. When the gods were around the humans pretty much controlled everything and the combined forces of Ascalon, Kyrta, Elona, Cantha, and the gods would have easily overwhelmed any of the dragons. So to me it seems as if the gods were literally not allowed to interfere with the dragons by some higher power.

And something else you said if the dragons are part of the eternal alchemy then killing them may have some dire consequence. During our glimpse of the eternal alchemy we have six orbs and one green orb that attacks the main orb which likely signifies the jungle dragon. Yet there is no representation of the gods. This to me points that the gods have nothing to do with the eternal alchemy and that they are something else.

If the human gods really created Tyria, then they created the dragons too. We sadly don’t get the information what the gods wrote about the dragons, but if they have created them then they are godly creations and part of Tyria. The mortals either hide away from the dragons or die, but not all can hide away. The reason for the domination of the dragon could have been the Mursaat which hid away and betrayed the gods which “just” want to reclaim the magic with the help of the dragons. Even the Zephyrites talked on their ship about hiding away. A lot knowledge is lost and the dragons might be more important than we think.

We don’t know enough about the eternal alchemy to say things for sure. We have the ingame log which tells that they represent dragons and we have the out of game source telling that Scarlet actually didn’t see what she thought she sees. For me it’s not the green orb is attacking the central orb, it’s the central orb which is eating the green orb finally unleashing what’s hidden.

BlackGhostz.2483:

The gods could have fought the dragons and would have had a huge advantage with the human army considering the dragons wake one at a time and do not seem to interfere with each other. Yet the gods so far have chosen not to interfere with the human wars or the events of the dragons. Why?

It seems like there is something more powerful than the dragons and the gods that is really pulling the strings.

If they are real gods, they probably have a strong schedule. In GW1 mortals killed a god that shows well that they are not untouchable. There are a lot influences around and most origins are unknown. That the gods haven’t shown up may have a certain reason and those who are behind all this may just be mortals with a plan or whatever. If you set a story and have already defined the highest entity in the universe then it’s just lazy writing to introduce a higher power in the sequel just to set a competition for the overpowered heroes.

I try to work with things that are known and are represented (or at least named) in GW2, but that’s hard. Since Mordremoth name drop it feels a little bit like every bad detective story where you just can’t know the reason for the murder until the detective which you followed the whole story pulls some reason out of the pocket which he knew from the beginning, but never told the viewer until the murder gets unmasked.

Ronin.7381:

Horst Hortensie.5420:

• There are indications that Cantha is destroyed (partially or full).

According to what source? Ships have sailed, ran into Zhaitan’s forces, and washed ashore on the Tyrian coast but all other mentions of Cantha imply it has prospered with much success.

Cobiah got quite far and wasn’t there after Zhaitan rose just like anyone else. I have 3 indications that leave the impression.

• Nobody talks about Cantha’s state today, not even the Zephyrites which were probably there. 100 years and not a single sign even from the other side.
• The art district of Divnitiy’s Reach is destroyed without explanation. The architecture of said district was canthan design. (Divnity’s Reach – 6 districts – 6 human origins but that needs to get determined)
• The solid ocean maybe belongs to it. There are at least some matching informations. see https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/lore/lore/Jade-Maw-Fractal-Lore/first#post4258281

Those are just indications, but the world seems to be closer connected like we think. If Cantha is fine or has some common problems, why doesn’t anyone tell? There are airships, creatures with huge knowledge (Zommoros is surely not the only one) and even humans that look canthan and no one even bothered to get contact?

On the other hand maybe is Cantha fine and everybody knows including the PC and the player just isn’t allowed to get any information.

• There are indications that Cantha is destroyed (partially or full).

• The Largos have probably a blooming society, but we don’t see any villages. Maybe they are hidden or they are simply not on the map. I can’t remember any information that tell about bad situation in their domain. And they are probably the most dangerous race around.

• The Tengu are lesser in numbers than expected. The great wall seems to hold a destroyed area and the destroyers are inside.

• The dwarfes are probably dead (except Odgen), because it’s a prediction from the past and those mostly become true.

• Elona might still be alive and if we get there we’ll probably won’t see any undead there. (personal speculation)

• Some strange crystals are appearing in Dry Top which reminded me on Kralkatorric. Maybe we’ll meet her sooner than expected. Without direct indication, Jormag and Primordus might be close soon, too.

• Just to allign with the common speculation: there is no direct information about DSD.

• The Kodan are building a city in Snowden Drifts and those that we meet are probably different from those who fled in the other directions.