Guild Wars 2

Nettle.9025:

We need more things like this in NA, even if it starts small or takes a bunch of effort to get off the ground. The NA scene really needs something to give people incentive to form up actual set teams. So, I hope this does take off.

The big problem currently is that, unless you’re a part of the “in crowd” of the super puggers, it’s nearly impossible to find 4 other people willing to commit to a team with a set practice schedule. I’ve tried lately, and it sucks. More tourneys or a custom league system might help fix that, but it would be slow going at first.

Honestly as of right now, in terms of actual turnout, I think your draft tourney idea would go over better in NA than a set team tourney

I understand your concern. I was actually apart of this “super pugger” crowd and I remember how some players were shunned from pugs because they were inexperienced. Hopefully with these types of tournaments more players are able to band together and learn to play.

I agree, I think we might have to do different things for each regions.

butch.8136:

For teams to be created there needs to be incentives. As of last patch these incentives are getting created by the community itself. But it is more esport-oriented. Anet should add reasons to team up too (casually/esport). This would contain team/solo split, daily/weekly/monthly AT with better rewards!

Anyway another +1 for this initiative.

Thanks, maybe you should bring this issue up with ANet because I’m sure other people will support your idea and ANet will listen to the community.

SovereignHegemony.4160:

bump for my homies

Cheers.

pullnointer.1476:

it makes you look silly

Why not?

1v1: Ranger (condis)
Their condition damage build is very strong because they’re tanky and most of their damage is unavoidable and I think this is mainly because most condi removal has very high cd.

SPvP: Elementalist (AoE tanky burst) or Ranger (condi)
Ele: ability to roam, I’d suggest a 0/20/0/20/30, AoE build with s/d soliders or berserkers (if you want to burst more). If you need help with elementalists message me on the forums.
Ranger: they have a lot of AoE and can escape most situations with s/d skills.

TPvP: Depends on team composition

DevO.9854:

Here is the thing, there is more then enough players for a lot of teams, but because the actual game itself hasn’t forced people into team rankings people are just solo playing. So the game is very limited at least for now for teams.

Also I would not do a draft the community is not that close that everyone knows everyone outside of the top players likely having a decent idea about eachother.

True, but I don’t think random placement would be fair either. I know ranking doesn’t show skill level but it does show how long you have played this game. Maybe we could distribute teams based on ranking? Even then some people could fake their rank and there could be problems but I don’t see a better solution.

EoNxBoNx.9213:

I was looking at the future. If some of the tournament organizers only invite teams that are known throughout the community that’s what we’ll get. Sign ups, registrations, and quals are where this game is at.

- #Team sign-ups (not invite only)

I was heading this way but I wasn’t being very explicit.

And the lack of teams can be solved by Sign-ups/registrations. However many sign up/register for NA (since we know there is a lack of teams) you can just have a minimum of 16 and maximum of 32.

I doubt we have to worry too much about maximums but I’ve got minimums already listed:

- Even number of teams, atleast 32 teams #maybe decrease amount of teams needed for NA and maybe EU

Odd numbers can be solved with byes.

Added.

- #Byes if odd

If you want EU, and NA to be on the same schedule start NA a little after EU. Just a thought.

I think you misunderstood what I meant by scheduling. The problem is if two teams are playing each other not all players will be able to play against each other at certain times. Maybe a team cannot organise a time before default so they have to play at default time and one of their players cannot make default so they will need a substitute unless they want to forfeit. I think that problem can be solved by allowing teams to field substitutes from other teams; this minimises the chance a team has to forfeit but there still can be the problem where a team has a player who cannot make the default time but there substitute/s cannot play because they are one of the starting 5 players from the opposing team or are scheduled to play a match at the same time.

With regards to your quote, I think scheduling for each region shouldn’t be a problem because an EU match won’t affect a NA match. Since players from NA won’t be able to play in EU if they’re playing in the NA tournament or vice versa.

Note: NA players in the NA tournament, vice versa but their might be a few exceptions.

Thanks for your post!

Duncanmix.5238:

You are going in right direction. The less limitation teams have the better. Team can have substitute, but 5 minimum is best rule.

Ok. Hmm, I agree.

- Each team has 5 starting players with 2 substitutes #Decrease amount of substitutes, or increase the amount of substitutes fielded from other teams or remove substitutes altogether #Minimum amount of players per team: 5?

Note added.

Also about 32 teams, I’m not sure gw2 have that many teams ready to play in serious leagues. In future if it become more popular, who knows maybe new teams will be born.
In my opinion if you have 16 teams best model would be 4 groups of 4 teams, first 2 teams from each group advance to knock out tournament phase.
But I’m not sure euro or american server can have this many teams interested for now. Maybe if they combined somehow.

- #Group-based single elimination tournament
- #16 teams minimum
- #4 groups of 4 teams, top two teams from groups advance to elimination tournament

I doubt we can have cross-regional tournaments – it would be too much of a hassle for players.

Thanks for your post and ideas

EoNxBoNx.9213:

I think with a higher player pool it allows the more amateur teams will get some experience outside of scrimmages.

So you mean that by having a lot of teams there is the possibility that the newer teams will be able to play against them and get some experience? I think the problem is that there aren’t very many teams.

Watching the same teams that everyone is already aware exist, play each other over and over won’t be entertaining.

By watching, what do you mean?

As in statistically (from their scores) or of streams?

Because I don’t think anyone has touched on streaming and I don’t understand how the spectator mode works; can someone can elaborate on streaming potential?

Shawnbuell.8407:

I would love to see something like this. I would be happy to help in any way, and if it goes through I will promote it the best a possible. I would also be willing to donate money towards prizes, if we can get people signed up.

Thanks for your offer, I have written down your username and I will contact you if we need your help.

Duncanmix.5238:

Its nice idea but you have some kind of set rules in head, you should be more flexible instead.

I don’t understand.

I don’t know if u noticed but gw2 competitions are just beginning with custom arenas. You would be one of first to start project like this, and because of that you should be much more flexible.

I understand can you outline more ways that we could be more flexible?

For example I think that players prefer to have only 5 people in team instead of 7.

- ~ Each round of tournament played over a week
- ~ Default time e.g. NA (8pm PST on Friday)
- ~ If teams cannot organise a time before default time they must play at default time
- #Minimum amount of players per team 5?

Thanks for your post, I’ve added more rules from what I’m posting here:

I will place a note but I think it’s still necessary that teams have substitutes because usually each round of the tournament is played over a week and it’s hard to organise teams for optimal time arrangements so this could mean that teams would have to play at a time when they don’t have their starting 5 players.

Chicho Gosho.6507:

I hope you can do this. Good luck

I hope we can too, thank you!

DevO.9854:

Your big challange will be finding enough teams to do anything meaningful. Where GW2 does not promote team play at all there is a very limited amount around. It actually amazes me how unorganized the GW2 community is in a age where a lot of people playing likely Raided several times a week in WoW at a set time, in masses I doubt you could even do that in pve in GW2.

However I have an idea that could be fun and also get a decent amount of players involved plus maybe help the community grow.

A Pug tourney, basically just setup the time and when everyone shows up you randomly assign them to teams of 5 and have a tourney. The Hard core Team types likely would not like it but you may create more teams by doing it.

- #Draft tournament (over a day) – public group or teams

I like this idea. So, a draft tournament. I’ve organised something similar for another game where people would get onto a TeamSpeak server at a certain time and then the administrators would choose captains and organise teams. I think this would be a good idea to get the community involved and show there is a chance for GW2 PvP as an esport. I’ve noted this idea down.

Phantaram.1265:

First of all, it would be awesome to get some really experienced organi(s)ers such as yourself to start a league. Second, the community is way too small on NA to get 4 good teams even let alone 32.

On EU, I actually think you could achieve 32 teams, but a lot of them would be quite inexperienced and probably some pugs forming just to participate in tournaments. Even in top 16 on eu you will have some low quality games but they can get experienced pretty quick if there are actual tournaments or leagues to participate in.

Anyways, just trying to familiarize you with the actual gw2 scene, as it is it is quite small but we’ll see how fast it can grow once tournaments start.

Having 2 substitutes would also be very hard to achieve considering the size of the scene.

- #Decrease amount of teams required
- #Change amount of substitutes

Hmm, I see. I was fearing this would be the case but I guess we could try and see how many teams would sign-up, maybe decrease the amount of teams required. I see, maybe a tournament would not be the best way to get the community involved. Do you have any other ideas on what we could possibly do? Yes, I think the GW2 scene was much larger before I quit. I took that into consideration with trying to field substitutes from other teams and one back-up substitute. Maybe we could allow two substitutes which can be fielded from other teams.

Thanks for your responses guys, keep it coming and I will try to add these ideas to my main post/reddit post.

Hi, my name is Salman and most people know me as Ice/Icifyr from the NA PvP scene.
What most people don’t know is I was an administrator at WOGL (World Online Gaming League) which organised (not a typo I use Australian English) leagues and tournaments for several games. Sadly, I left my position but I have always wondered if that was a good decision.

Recently, I saw an opportunity in League of Legends (Australian scene) as Riot Games is opening a server in Australia. I decided I was going to start a project, essentially, a website with a group of people who would organise leagues and tournaments for LoL (Australia). The project is currently under development and we, IceGaming, will be releasing a beta website soon.

I started to play Guild Wars 2, again, a few days ago and was surprised to find that ANet have released custom servers so I thought this would be an opportune moment to ask the community if they would be interested in leagues and tournaments for Guild Wars 2.

I’ll continue from here with dot points to outline what we were thinking:

Edit: notes marked with “#” include comments from the community, notes marked with “~” are comments added by us after our initial post

These are the potential events we could hold:

- #Group-based single elimination tournament
- #16 teams minimum
- #4 groups of 4 teams, top two teams from groups advance to elimination tournament
- ~Hosted over a few weeks, with similar rules as placement tournament idea
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- #Draft tournament (over a day) – public group or teams
- ~Players gathers on a voice chat
- ~Captains chosen from players
- ~Captains pick players
- ~ Teams play against each other (as a single elimination tournament)
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- Placement tournament
- Two tournaments; one for each region
- Double elimination tournament (standard)
- #Team sign-ups (not invite only)
- Even number of teams, atleast 32 teams #maybe decrease amount of teams needed for NA and maybe EU#bye if odd amount of teams
- Each team has 5 starting players with 2 substitutes #Decrease amount of substitutes, or increase the amount of substitutes fielded from other teams or remove substitutes altogether #Minimum amount of players per team: 5?
- Only 1 substitute allowed to be fielded from another team #Increase maybe?
- If Team A has to play Team B where Team A’s substitute is a part of the starting 5 players of Team B the substitute cannot play as a substitute for Team A
- A substitute cannot be a substitute for more than one team #Maybe remove this rule or change?
- Players can only play in their supported regional tournament, there can be exceptions to this rule for players from countries where there is no specific supported region.
- Each team must have at least one player who has access to a custom arena
- ~Each round of tournament played over a week
- ~Default time e.g. NA (8pm PST on Friday)
- ~ If teams cannot organise a time before default time they must play at default time
- Teams are locked before tournament starts
- Top 16 teams listed as pro, others amateur
- No prizes
- If enough support start league for GW2 with pro/amateur division

So, what do you guys think?

Please show your support on Reddit and the Offical Guild Wars 2 Forums by up-voting and commenting.
Reddit (Guild Wars 2): http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1dumyt/gw2_esports_leagues_and_tournaments/
Reddit (GW2 E-Sports): http://www.reddit.com/r/gw2esports/comments/1dupr2/gw2_esports_leagues_and_tournaments/
Official Guild Wars 2 Forums: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/GW2-e-sports-leagues-and-tournaments

Edit: Also, try to share this thread and reddit post with your friends and family so we can see the amount of support there is for this idea!

Backlog of suggestions/changes:

- #Decrease amount of teams required
- #Change amount of substitutes
- #Draft tournament (over a day) – public group or teams
- ~Players gathers on a voice chat
- ~Captains chosen from players
- ~Captains pick players
- ~ Teams play against each other (as a single elimination tournament)
- ~Each round of tournament played over a week
- ~Default time e.g. NA (8pm PST on Friday)
- ~If teams cannot organise a time before default time they must play at default time
- #Minimum amount of players per team 5?
- #Group-based single elimination tournament
- #16 teams minimum
- #4 groups of 4 teams, top two teams from groups advance to elimination tournament
- ~Hosted over a few weeks, with similar rules as placement tournament idea
- #Team sign-ups (not invite only)
- #Bye if odd amount of teams

Ingame name: Icifyr
Main Class / Potential Classes (Incase team requires): Every class besides guardian
Region: NA
Practice Times: Whenever
Experience: Ex-member of [IIII] Imperial and other notable guilds. Rank 42 (I quit and have just come back)

Lame.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Icifyr-s-S-D-Tournament-Build-

-Icifyr

Intigo.1653:

Highlet.8039:

Intigo.1653:

I wonder what part of this was edited by a Moderator, heh.

And no, I am right. Do you want me to go ingame just to prove how wrong you are?

Actually, I’ll go record it, just for a laugh.

Yep, you’re correct. Chance on crit shares cd with on swap.

Yeah, I already made a video for it once before. My example was Air + Battle, but the principle is the same for Strength + Battle, Strength just has a much lower cooldown.

Old video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jncAIlBbNk

Here’s me proving it’s a bad combination with Strength + Battle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAoWOWdydBo

I guess I’m wrong so the better option would be the sigil which gives 3 stack per weapon switch + force? but I don’t like how the additional attack damage doesn’t stack with the 5% damage. Oh well, thanks for proving your claim

Intigo.1653:

Highlet.8039:

Intigo.1653:

I wonder what part of this was edited by a Moderator, heh.

And no, I am right. Do you want me to go ingame just to prove how wrong you are?

Actually, I’ll go record it, just for a laugh.

Yep, you’re correct. Chance on crit shares cd with on swap.

Yeah, I already made a video for it once before. My example was Air + Battle, but the principle is the same for Strength + Battle, Strength just has a much lower cooldown.

Old video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jncAIlBbNk

Here’s me proving it’s a bad combination with Strength + Battle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAoWOWdydBo

I guess I’m wrong so the better option would be the sigil which gives 3 stack per weapon switch + force? but I don’t like how the additional attack damage doesn’t stack with the 5% damage. Oh well, thanks for proving your claim

Panginoon.6239:

Come on guys, he’s being sarcastic and is trolling. Nobody thinks this is an OP build.

I was kind of but it’s very strong and I would even match it with a d/d ele but it truly depends on the comp because the might stacking can bring a lot of damage potential in team fights.

Strodor.6051:

Why are you wasting a trait on Quick glyphs when you’re not even using it sometimes and only have one glyph on your bar? Wouldn’t Zephyrs focus be a better choice for the extra dodges with S/D?

Hmm, I thought it wouldn’t be noticeable since there aren’t long duration channel skills besides air AA and earth 5. Even though there’s only one skill for quick glyphs the elite is very strong and I like to use it in every team fight.

Edit: I just tried it and it procs quite often so it might be worth it you could go 20/20 and use it as a second air trait

Arheundel.6451:

IceTenacious.4126:

Daendur.2357:

Arheundel.6451:

The fact that all people playing ele use roughly the same build..doesn’t make it a FOTM build

indeed it does.

Arheundel.6451:

because when you have a single spec…there is nothing to compare it with, that is to say d/d eles are fotm users compared to what type of eles?

maybe this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvkKHR8zz34

editing to say that the fact you were playing ele since bwe1 doesn’t mean it’s not a FOTM class … indeed you can see elementalists in wvw popping out like mushrooms along with their “noob ele needs help” thread on this board.

Not sure if you guys realise but these are TPvP players who understand how to play their class. I hear skov and zoose.

I don’t think they do realise, people keep coming up with these WvWvW videos to make their point…but not a single tPvP video or let alone a sPvP video showing these “Op” eles who kill 30+ people

Oh, I agree that elementalists are not OP but people are just bad in-general. Usually in 1v1s a bad d/d elementalists can beat other mediocre players and I think that’s why most people are calling elementalists OP (it’s just because they’re bad and don’t know what to evade). In that WvWvW video all those players are so bad.. If you got 30 r40 from tPvP and put them against that 7 they’d be down in 10 seconds.

-Icifyr
Anvil Rock

Daendur.2357:

Arheundel.6451:

The fact that all people playing ele use roughly the same build..doesn’t make it a FOTM build

indeed it does.

Arheundel.6451:

because when you have a single spec…there is nothing to compare it with, that is to say d/d eles are fotm users compared to what type of eles?

maybe this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvkKHR8zz34

editing to say that the fact you were playing ele since bwe1 doesn’t mean it’s not a FOTM class … indeed you can see elementalists in wvw popping out like mushrooms along with their “noob ele needs help” thread on this board.

Not sure if you guys realise but these are TPvP players who understand how to play their class. I hear skov and zoose.

I swear everyone on these forums need to stop complaining. You need to learn to play your class properly and then also learn the major tells of other classes. If you really want to improve go to HoTM on Desolation (EU) / Anvil Rock (EU) and look for groups for tournaments and start playing tournaments. Also, if you honestly want to improve then change your mind set from ok I’m playing pvp to kill stuff to ok I’m playing pvp to improve. E.g. if you die in a situation think about how you could have improved and done something differently so when you get in that type of situation again you have a better chance of succeeding.

You’ve got to be honest the staff elementalist really needed a nerf and they’re still viable. I just don’t see anyone willing to play them in their team composition because no one wants to play support elementalist. Also, healing on all weapon sets for elementalists were nerfed and it’s quite noticeable.

Intigo.1653:

That’s a terrible Sigil combo. The Strength Sigil does not proc while Sigil of Battle is on cooldown which is very often. It’s also only 10s Might duration. You’re much better off using Bloodlust & swapping for Force.

When Strength is on cooldown it also blocks Battle from granting Might stacks for a brief 1-2s.

Err nope, they both have a seperate cooldown. Also, the might duration isn’t a problem since you have a constant 20 stack in team fights. I don’t like the proc rate on bloodlust and the damage from the force sigil doesn’t scale with additional damage from might.

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Bad.. If you’re an ele drop the kittenen valk and use soliders with zerker..Honestly healing got nerfed so you might as well have a higher HP pool.

Target everything: even in 1v1s
CTRL + T OP
Use it

GW2 TPvP is a numbers game.
3 far 2 close — my thought process:
Do they have a mes?
—Did he use his portal before?
Are we winning or losing our fight?
—Winning ok time to leave.
—Losing I’ll stay until we begin to win and can get a few stomps then leave or if it’s a lost cause I will leave and decap mid

I even engage 2v1 because I know I can disrupt them and get out whenever I feel like it (Always have air 4 on c/d and don’t use cantrip for churning earth etc as you will need it to disengage or stun break)

If I have to 1v1 I play to win my combos are like this:

Air 2 see if they will do something stupid and get ready to blind if nothing air 5
Fire 2, 3
Earth (use arcana for immobolise) 4 5 use cantrip tele if needed.

That’s an ideal situation and can change with different classes, skill level of opponent, psychological advantage etc. note: I don’t try to might stack in 1v1s.
Also attunement switch when you use big skills to get the 2 seconds of fury which applies to skills that are currently casted

In team fights I play like this:
SPAM
optimum combo:
fire 4 2 3
switch earth 4 5 teleport
air 2 4 5
fire 4 2 AA or check for burning 5

Again utilize the attunement switch fury it’s OP

Edit:
Learn your skills and when you play play to improve if you make a mistake fine but learn from it like when I play I say this: Oh he owned me what do I do next time? OK I can stun break him or use a knock down dodge roll when I think he might engage or even blind. Then when you get into those situations you’re prepared for the next time it happens

best advice I can give you ^ and it will help you in-general

I think I covered everything.. If you have any questions please post here! This was a quick write up and I tried to spend as little time as possible (Took me 35 minutes to write till here) and I tried to be as in-depth. Forgive my typos! I might add little things as I think about it.

PS: go to my youtube to learn how to use lightning flash properly, I can’t hotlink the vid.

youtube.com/icifyr

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I am Icifyr, a rank 43 from Anvil Rock, most people know me for my elementalist but I play every class besides guardian because they’re fat and useless. THIS IS A TOURNAMENT BUILD NOT FOR SPVP (but it will work in SPVP) OR WVWVW

My YT: youtube.com/icifyr
I’m not going to upload vids of this build because I’m using a crappy laptop now but there are other videos on there that are good

Why post this now?
Because I think it’s time to move on from this game but I will still hop on the forums and in-game once in a while to post and tourney. If you have any questions please post and make sure you read the whole kittenen guide because there’s good kitten in here and minute details that I didn’t feel like bolding but are important.

PS: This build is not for the faint hearted scrubs who haven’t played other classes and don’t understand tells and have bad game sense in-general

Build:
http://www.gw2build.com/builds/simulator.php#1.1.2.0.13.0.34.0.25.0.3.10.20.21.24.8.2.25.0.0.0.18.0.0.0.0.0.50.52.0.65.61.72.0.15.0.25.30

Explanation of my build:

Why s/d?
d/d is bleh, d/f is bleh (but good 1v1 specs none the less)

Why might sigils on weapons?
Scratch that someone posted a vid of it showing the sigils not stacking maybe run the sigil which gives 3 stacks on attunement swap and force.

Why signet > glyph?
I only have 300 healing in this build but the sustain heal is amazing because in s/d there’s so many skills used that it pays off you can also use the signet if you’re in situations where you need an extra burst of healing. I think s/d weapon set heal is bleh they nerfed it into the ground (more about this later) but the signet heal is OP.

Why soliders/zerker > valk/zerker?
Valk is overated and I think in general on most including d/d builds soldiers is better. (post-healing nerf)

Why rune of the pack?
OP -> power/precision..

Explanation of utilities:[b] [b]READ THIS
I believe lightning flash and blinks in-general are OP also you must have atleast 1 stun break. It can be used in a lot of situations too like teleporting through walls (as shown on my YT), using at the end of churning earth to catch everyone off guard and engaging/disengaging. I use arcane wave and blast mainly because of my Elemental Surge trait which gives me that immobolize/burning/chill/blind. It brings a lot of utility to my build because I can use it to get my fire 2, 3 burst off and even stop stomps against ranger/guardian/engi with the blind (there’s also air 3 for the blind). More about this later.

Traits:
15 in air because I love the extra burst from 15 and I hate getting 30 water. Glyph recharges faster for my elite but I switch it if I’m going for far node and using tornado.

25 in water because vitality OP. Cleansing wave for remove condi is always nice. The minor trait 15 water is also nice. Dodge roll trait is situation but I like to run it because it prevents a reasonable amount of damage against other elementalist and rangers. 25 minor trait is pretty good because you have a lot of boons on you most of the time so it’s very useful.

30 in arcana because you need to be attunement switching quite often. MOST IMPORTANT TRAIT IN THIS BUILD: Minor trait 5 arcana, grant yourself 2 seconds of fury when you switch attunements, this is what makes this build very good and I will explain how to utilise this later in this guide. Elemental attunement is nice for the protection when you go into earth but you could also run renewing stamina because in this build you will basically have perma vigor with that trait. Elemental surge is also nice as I explained before in my utilities it works very well.

So, how do you play this build in tournies?

I play as a roamer.
Random statement:
I hate how I join pugs and there’s people that want to play roamer but they’re really bad. If you’re like this please play side points or bunker and gradually 1v1, learn other classes skills then change classes or begin to play roamer.

not going to read the whole thread

THE REAL PROBLEM IS AoE DAMAGE.

NOT BURST

-Icifyr

daydream.2938:

IceTenacious.4126:

I doubt it, it was a 1v2 at quarry. There’s currently a glitch where if you go down while under the effects of svanir (from condition damage) and you use mist form you instantly rez. Java from PZ was exploiting this and it can be seen on my channel where my team beat PZ with triple ele, warrior and thief :P Also, I guess I found a new method today which is killing summons/spirits/pets/minions while in mist form.

Exploit Wars 2

wait, if you kill a mesmer summon while in mist form that res’s you?
not sure i understand what your saying. but if so thats a bad exploit.

No, Mesmars’ use illusions and phantasms.

DevilsGlare.7658:

Are you serious right now? You truly are accusing me of exploiting?
Had I known that I would come back up after I misted I wouldn’t have just STOOD there in shock that it just happened to me.

I consistently stream for HOURS and HOURS each day… Anyone that truly follows my stream will tell you that I do NOT abuse any exploits and I am completely against it.

Just because some random freak of nature res happened doesn’t give you the right to try and trash my name.

Wow, you need to chill. I never said you exploit lol. I understand it was by chance that han’s elemental summon expired.

QtHman.9510:

Don’t blame my Vain on that as you can your pet die from his ring of fire, is not like he intentionally did it.

Qt’s exploit free.

As I said above. Also, that was my ring of fire but it doesn’t matter. The elemental summon expired and from the video I believe Vain used mist form onto the point to force the stomp and slightly prevent the capture of the point.

I doubt it, it was a 1v2 at quarry. There’s currently a glitch where if you go down while under the effects of svanir (from condition damage) and you use mist form you instantly rez. . Also, I guess I found a new method today which is death/expiration of summons/spirits/pets/minions while in mist form.

Exploit Wars 2

Edit: Fixed wording as before it implied that Vain was exploiting (though he wasn’t)

:(

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

jokes

agree

-Icifyr

Raytek.6193:

What PvP rank are you?

This guy is a bad thief.

jajajajajajaja

-Icifyr

Pillow.3296:

can you give them oversized weapons?

I think would be the best solution with same size animations as humans.

Jumper.9482:

Why should it be possible for a Mesmer to hit 14.6k dmg instantaneously when a thief only does [that was a backstab-mug, so] 5.5k+3.5k. The only way I would have killed him afterwards were to heartseeker for the remaining 3k of his hp and that takes a 3/4 sec cast time. That is FAR more than enough time to stunbreak.
Mesmer is the only class that can 100-0% another glass build instantaneously without giving any room for reaction.

from this video you can see there’s currently a bug with the daze → mindwreak shatters.. they need to fix that and remove the might stacking from mesmars.

i can’t be bothered to go through the whole thread. i know dimyzuka personally and he doesn’t macro. that aside i will explain what happens in the video:

1. already a clone and phantasm out
2. when jumper comes out of stealth he F2 shatters
3. stun breaks (gets 2 clones)
4. F3 -> F1 (since you can shatter F1 with F3 clone lol)

he also had fire sigil proc

either way, not macro as i explained in-game jumper just broken F3 shatter

ciao

-icifyr

STRanger.5120:

IceTenacious.4126:

if you want to bunker play sceptre/focus. if you want to damage play d/d or s/d or s/f

If I want ranged dmg, I should play Rifle warrior, right?

If you wanted ranged damage go play a different class, rifle warrior is obviously weak right now and it’s not even worth playing in any team composition. You’re analogy is wrong. Also, I don’t think GW2 should be a “OMG GUYS LETS SIT HERE AND AOE A POINT” even though Anet have necros spamming conditions on point.

STRanger.5120:

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

And here I thought staff was for support…
Sounds like this thread is the equivalent of hey I want to play gs war and be a bunker.
Your staff build has a role, and playing the build out of context will make it seem weak of course.

Staff is support if you spec for it, however that’s the only viable spec for our only ranged weapon, doesn’t it seems weird to you? Staff was able to do some dmg, until the EA was “fixed”, even if the usage of the EA basically eliminated the range purpose of the staff, it was fun and dynamic playstyle. Now, it’s gone and the new EA is good for D/D set and maybe for support staff (if you can anticipate the need for burst aoe heal, but guess what, that’s a support…)

If you spec for bunker, it sux, D/D is better, much more mobile and effective for this setup.

If you spec for dmg, you’re just meat on a stick, period. You don’t stand any chance against practically anyone, because you die probably before your first fireball lands, which is kinda sad

if you want to bunker play sceptre/focus. if you want to damage play d/d or s/d or s/f

I don’t think you guys kittenen understand. Do you think guardians can change weapon set to play bunker mid-game? NO. Can other classes? Most – no and they more then likely doing. Elementalists are the JACK OF ALL CLASSES. They can play every roll with different weapon sets.

Seriously you guys need to kittenen look at your traits and play your class properly. I mean yes ele is not the easiest class but if half of what you guys want are in the game then elementalists will be broken. Ok, this is the last time I will ever bother posting on the forums agains if you cannot listen.

Staff elementalist has two AoE heals and skills are for CC. Are you going to go against the weapon set to deal damage? That’s just ridiculous. If you want to play offensive classes switch your weapon sets and your mind set.

Here’s another hint for anyone who plays eles this is for people that play s/d:

Get the trait elemental surge and run arcane wave and blast. This is your basic rotation

Fire 4 3 1 5 2 switch to earth arcane finishers and knock down

WALLAH YOU HAVE kittenEN DAMAGE. – LEARN TO PLAY YOUR kittenEN CLASS.

Go devulge yourself in the traits and find out things you could incorporate into your build and play style. Right now elementalists are probably the second strongest 1v1 class after rangers but people just cannot play elementalists.

The above combo was only the tip of what could be achieved with s/d ele and elementalists in general.

Go experiment! for your own sake.

ps: for the guy that says omg eles are just meant to go into water earth and fire on a staff elementalist you don’ know how to play a staff elementalist..

Support staff ele is still viable

Hint: put down a water 5 and change to earth then dodge roll while in co

Sceptre focus is a very strong bunker build weapon set though people overlook it.

Dagger focus is a very strong offensive weapon set though people overlook it.

Dagger dagger is a mediocre weapon set and the burst can easily be evaded when played against good players.

Sceptre dagger is a good weapon set except it needs a minor change with fire 2s animation speed.

I hate how people on the forums get a say on class balancing when they can’t play their own class.

Icifyr from Anvil Rock signing out.

Ps: if anyone needs help with ele send me mail and I’m willing to help you out.

YouTube.com/icifyr to check out my recent video where nmy team beat PZ with triple ele, warrior and thief. (Prepatch)

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

ok so for ANET i was told to make a quick paragraph for you what we want out of this post.

can you make a advanced playlist that is free to enter and you need a full group to enter. with the rewards of more tickets then free because the competition will be greater and now we are 1 step closer to going into paids the greatest lvl of skill. this will help the game because we can let the new ppl get better in frees without discouraging them plus we can play all day and we can get better ourselves so we can have more ppl equipped to play paids without being discouraged. eventually making a better pvp community so when ladders come out there will be a advanced ladder and a paid ladder.

Very good idea, I support.

Icifyr – Anvil Rock.

This was pre-patch so the staff elementalist is no longer viable :P

Match against PZ (We were using our OP triple ele comp xD) on Forest of Nifhel

Inter-guild match on Legacy of Foefire

Please read the descriptions of the videos and, rate, comment suscribe! If you like ofcourse :P

sorry for the jumping around lol, it’s just habitual. hmm, i guess most of it was reading tooltips, in a way, and i probably should have incorporated some more tips and rotations. if you’re interested in rotations you should probably watch the last video (towards the end). ok, i’ll upload a video with some gameplay. thanks for the replies, watch this space — i will be back with another video and i won’t be half awake!

Please watch it on YouTube so you can get 1080p. Also, this is a guide for PvP. All of my characters are level 1 in PvE and I don’t play WvW.

I tried to make this guide as short as possible but I still ended up with 15 minutes of video. I’ve split the video into three parts and I will leave an annotation at the end of each video with a link to the next video. Also, you can find the next part by viewing the videos on my channel. I have a lot of little tips that I could have given so I might make another video and post it up later. Please leave any suggestions, tips or mistakes in a comment. Also, rate and/or subscribe if you enjoyed my video.

Please watch it on YouTube so you can get 1080p.

I tried to make this guide as short as possible but I still ended up with 15 minutes of video. I’ve split the video into three parts and I will leave an annotation at the end of each video with a link to the next video. Also, you can find the next part by viewing the videos on my channel. I have a lot of little tips that I could have given so I might make another video and post it up later. Please leave any suggestions, tips or mistakes in a comment. Also, rate and/or subscribe if you enjoyed my video.

Pyroatheist.9031

A lot of problems have been brought up with your playing in this video, which I agree with in all ways. For a shatter mesmer, you don’t really do a whole lot of shattering. I didn’t see you use mirror images a single time that entire match (maybe once or twice). The whole point of a shatter mesmer is to do a massive amount of fast burst damage while at the same time applying a ton of confusion. A great combo is getting 3 clones out in some way, use cry, optimally while close to get the 4th hit from yourself. Switch to sword+pistol use illusionary leap to get a clone and an immobilize. Immediately use mirror images + blurred frenzy + mind wrack to get an automatic 4 clone shatter + blurred frenzy damage.

ok, i will do try. thanks.

Additionally, on the topic of utilities you never use, you never use 2 of your utilities. I know you took portal for specific mobility reasons. Unfortunately, the one time you used it was a total waste, and it became painfully clear by about 3 minutes into the match that the utility you were getting out of portal would be significantly outweighed by the utility of something like feedback, null zone, or decoy. Making changes to your utilities during a match is part of the hallmark of a good player, because you need to be able to understand situations and adapt to them quickly.

yep, i just noticed that, i will try to use blink more often. also, thanks for your advice as putting down portal for a field; i didn’t know that.

Aside from all of this, you displayed minimal ability to effectively 1v1, certainly against that one engineer, who destroyed you without help, even though help eventually arrived. On top of that, complaining that these 1v1s turned into 2v1s is useless. The whole point of setting up 1 person on a point alone is that they are able to hold the point until help arrives, against 2 people, against 3 people. A perfect example of this is the guardian that you and a teammate attempted to take the mine from. He held the point until help arrived, and then you 2 got decimated. Sitting someone on a point that is not able to successfully survive or win a 2v1 is a recipe for disaster.

i think i got too caught up dodging everything that he was doing and not focusing on dealing damage. this match was the first matchi played close point with my team and it just so happened that we played imperial. i haven’t played close point mesmar for my team since we played imperial. we realised i wouldn’t be able to hold 2v1 (i now run ele on close point) long enough for rotates on the larger maps but it was possibly viable for roamer classes (to drop portals and roam — glass canon build) or for close point on maps where you can see people rotating and quickly rotate.

Advanced mesmer techniques: Being a shatter mesmer, you should have 3 illusions out at all times, and preferably one being a phantasm simply for the damage potential. To maximize the ability to confuse your opponents, try not to run around aimlessly. Attempt to dodge behind objects, leaving a clone where you were before. Move around with blink, staff 2, and sword 3 whenever possible (these are also leap combos, and used properly give fantastic auras/buffs, with sword 3 actually being 2 leap combos packaged in 1 skill). You should be moving fast, continually destroying and creating clones, and causing maximal confusion in anyone who sees you fighting.

hmm, thanks, like i mentioned before i think i have to improve on using blink.

He wasn’t THAT bad. The only things that stuck out to me were him standing around not doing much during a fight sometimes, and also neglecting to use his Blink to save himself many times.

yep, i think i got too caught up trying to mititage damage (but still got hit) and dealt no damage.

thanks, for your reply. i will try the staff 2, 5 → dodge roll → sword 2,3 + shatter. i don’t understand what you meant by the new staff ability (i haven’t played mesmar in a few days) but i will check it out this afternoon. also, do you play in tournaments or spvp; if you play in tournaments, what build and roll do you play? i will try to find your yt channel now. i’m not sure, i like the haste because it can be very useful in a lot of situations e.g. if i have a bunch of roamers (on my team) rotating to my point we end up with no stability so we have no problem downing people but stomping can be troublesome and then with my area haste we can easily stomp multiple people.

Xyrm.5602:

Fhaeris.9237:

Dude, no offense but you’re terrible. How did you manage to get to R31 and still messing up like that?

This is proof that grinding ranks is NOT a matter of skill, but time. I know a lot of people who just queue hotjoin with a thief and mindless spam, because that’s the easy way to gain rank quickly.

Trigr.6481:

What this guy said ^

it isn’t proof? you presume that i only play one class. also, i barely play spvp except for 1v1s or team practice. i ranked up from playing tournaments.

anyhow, lets get back on topic; please only post if you have constructive criticism of my mesmar video.

Osicat.4139:

Will watch but before I just add in the part about bf, i tend to use it aswell as a defensive ability quite often if im low on energy for a dodge and want to spend 2 sec alive for some cd,s to wear of. also its a good way to avoid a backstab if you feel one incomming. So not al bf is a waste even if missed.

yes, i agree.

Osicat.4139:

Ok seen and I throw in some ideas and reflections. Pls take the criticism in a good way and what some ppl say is accualy helping you be a betetr player even if its bad. i often feel I learn more of my misstakes than of my succeses and if ppl can point it out for me I bow and ty unless its pure trashtalking. I do btw in no way claim be the "best mesmer in the world or anything but i do think I see alot of things you can improve. and feel I can stand for it

The BF, yes as mentioned it can be defensive but in the vid I se several times when you can use it in both ways. You do NOT use pistol + immobelice 1st before the BF withc both is accualy abilitys that keep you alive aswell. A landed bf saves you dmg at same time as it delivers.

Movment, I see you walk back and forth but you need to be better to be “al ower the place” as its the way to play shatter burst mesmer. The sword swap, blink decoy staff 2 rolls etc etc al can be used and confuse + dmg enemy. You alos several times stand in fields of pain (AKA mage red rings) move out of them.

Cd,s: You do not use the chaos field and chaos armour everytime before swap to sword/pistol, this is a misstake. just look at 1st fight where you fight the mage. You have good abilitys on cd, then you swap to pistol and sword before throw them of and cause of this you take alot of dmg and die.

Pls stand in your own chaos fields mate, its one of the strongest defensive abilitys you have. Mage fight again in start if you had the field up and chained armour + standed in it I kinda sure you could killed him.

Elite. If I would do 1 base defense and end up in 1 vs 1 and 1 vs 2 siuations regulary I would use Moa. Time warp is better the more of your team that use it, so for a wvwvw team (like i run in) it can turn a whole battle. In a 1 vs 1 a moa can turn the whole battle in same way.

Just my feedback.

yes, i should have used sword 3 2 instead of 3 which allowed him to dodge.

interesting combo, i will consider. do you know any other combinations that work well?

first fight was an engineer. ok, i’ll try to proc chaos armour off cd. the only reason why i stay inside the red circle is because it’s on point. if i get off point it will begin to cap. also, the reason why i lost, what looked like a 1v1, was because a caltrop thief joined the fight.

i like to use time warp in tournaments as usually people don’t push close point and my team has quick rotates so i portal my point and rotate mid then drop time warp.

so, do you know any other combinations that work well when attempting to juke?

Drederik.5679:

the blurred frenzy at 5:49 kept him alive as he was out of endurance and probably used it for defensive purposes.

the rest i agree with

it’s same with the other time that he linked and what parts do you agree with?

Fhaeris.9237:

Dude, no offense but you’re terrible. How did you manage to get to R31 and still messing up like that?

why shouldn’t i take offense to that comment? you leave a provocative message with no explanation on where i mess up.

also, i didn’t play mesmar to rank 31. i only played it at early ranks and then i quit. i played ele, mostly, to rank 31 and engi, ranger on the side. i play my ele a lot better and i can play any spec. maybe you should check out my other videos. e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tArqWQXjaCU i recently started playing mesmar again when my team wanted me to try close point mesmar.

tl:dr; don’t leave useless and presumptive comments that provide no constructive criticism.

Trigr.6481:

1. You are left at a node alone. You should not be spec’d glass cannon. Therefore you kitten your team as a whole if you are the one guarding it. If you are guarding a node you should be able to 1v1, period.

i am able to 1v1 though every situation turned into 1v2. the reason why i run glass canon is because of the amount of mobility from portal. i wasn’t able to fully show the capabilities of portal this game because they were constantly pushing our close point. the reason why most teams run mesmar on close point is because they are able to portal hold a point which frees up a player to push points. the only downside is if i am caught on a point with two people pushing i? will die quickly.

Trigr.6481:

2. You miss almost every blurred frenzy, please use clone swap for the immobilize first. You missed blurred frenzy a total of 7 times in the match. Missing that much damage can cost you the node, and in effect cost you the match.
@ 5:49 you blurred frenzied into nothing
@10:44 you blurred frenzied a target but he is behind you.

at both of the times you linked i used blurred frenzy for it’s second purpose which is going invulnerable as i didn’t have heal up. i didn’t miss every blurred frenzy but i understand i could have easily clone swapped in? a certain situation and used blurred frenzy for the kill though i chose to use blurred frenzy straight up to deal damage as he was right next to me. next time i will just clone swap and kill him.

Trigr.6481:

3. Sometimes the best constructive criticism is saying that you are not that good of a player, that’s reality. I forced myself to watch every second of this video to prove a point to you that YOU need to work on becoming a better player. That might not be what you want to hear but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

ok, if that’s what you believe i’ll accept being a bad player? if you can outline situations that i could have handled better from the video. i’ve already replied to your other comment and i think you lacked the understanding of what blurred frenzy was capable of and the? purpose of having a mesmar on close point in tournaments before you posted.