Guild Wars 2

pranker.3748:

If the raid rewards got buffed to 5g per boss and extra mats/loot it would not impact the economy. What is impacting it is the amount of people that farm Tarir Multi loot every day. 30-70 ectos per 15minutes of work is too much if you ask me.
I would totally understand this argument against the rewards, but nobody can take it seriously when there is so much brain afk farms out there that outprofit raids/fotm by kitten tons.

As for the what’s ’’hardest’’ content in game it could be a debate :P everyone has his own taste.

I doubt they will do that because they took away the gold reward from the dungeons to begin with. The main problem I have with any kind of trad-able reward, i.e. mats or gold is the idea of who is getting them.

If you have one set of ascend armor, you are richer then half the player base. Really, only the wealthy are the ones able to raid, adding straight gold or expensive mats as a reward would make the wealthy wealthier. That could be a dangerous path.

pranker.3748:

None of them have a weekly cap. I bet hell would break loose if you saw 1 win per map per week cap in sPvP
And what you mentioned just supports the whole idea to remove the cap or introduce better rewards. Much easier content (dungeons/fotm) have daily rewards which in most cases are better than weekly raid rewards (except if you get really lucky with ghostly infusion and that’s a once in a life occurrance). So easy content = daily restrictions = more profit vs. raids = weekly cap = medium/low worth of loot and re-runs = kitten.

In most MMO’s I played, raids were on weekly/monthly timers so…… if you want to compare raids to raids, it makes sense

Dominik.5162:

I don’t think the rewards are necessarily bad when you defeat a raid boss the first time for the weak, the weekly lockout is quite annoying tbh.
And if you want to help out guildies/help pugs get their kills you even have to pay for it basically as food and stuff cost alot.
Instead of a weekly lockout have the possibility to complete the raid with 3 different characters per week to get full rewards on each of these characters (Legendary insight only once per boss a week).
Guilds who run raids more than once a week get rewarded, and you have an incentive to help out pugs/the guildie who had a tight schedule this week and still needs kills without loosing gold.
It would also be an incentive for players to learn more than 1 class.

The only place i saw food used other than WvW (which uses different food), is raids. In fracts you really don’t need food unless you are struggling, even then, you can use fractal potions. So the price of food would raise if raids were more profitable

Take my opinion with a grain of salt and from a non raider but i feel like raid rewards as they are now are fine.

Chaos.5072:

Deaths.9165:

Well radis are just for 5-10% of gw2 population.

Make easy normal and hard mode for Raids so we can choose which mode we want to join and the everyone is happy.

As usual, completely fabricated statistics are used to blindly push the narrative.

Let me guess, you don’t have a source on those numbers.

From another thread about this subject

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

As of ~11 August, GW2 efficiency had the following stats

• ~56% have [zero magnetite shards]
• ~18% have 1-50 shards;
• ~10% have 50-150 shards;
• ~16% have more than 150 shards;

The above suggests that a lot more people have tried raiding than many of us might have guessed.

However, it’s probably fair to say that the GW2/E numbers overstate participation by a “significant” fraction.

• Not that many people allow their API information to be publicly available via this site.
• GW2 efficiency can’t estimate how many people play the game across any dimension, including concurrency (those logged in at the same time), hours spent playing vs chatting etc, number of active sessions per player, etc.
• M-Shards might not be the best metric to measure participation,
  • One can acquire them without succeeding and then give up on raiding.
  • Many players will spend them as soon as they have ‘enough’ to get good stuff.
  • The better choice of accumulated Legendary Insights can’t be easily tracked, since it’s not a currency.

So my guess is that GW2/E’s numbers represent an upper bound:

• For sure, less than half of players have stepped foot in raids.
• Those who start raiding ‘mostly’ continue to raid.
• “Probably” more people have tried raiding in GW2 than have tried its equivalent in other games.

_edit" modified the list of caveats, after reading Iris Ng’s post below reminding us that folks spend m-shards.+

take into account that very few people that play use gw2 efficiency so your pool is watered down to begin with and the fact that some people spend shards as soon as they can

copying Mag are we?

Be original

lol i hate to say this but the problem lies with the people not the devs. They did everything they could and the people kittened it up. It human nature i guess but that does not mean we have the right to complained after the damage is done.

People complained about having the same match up for 3 months straight and now they don’t like what they got.

lol all i got to say is this

i must admit, Jinks seem more angry then usual. He is a well known troll but his post in this match-up are not even funny. He is just mad all the time.
As for GF beating SIC, well, we all know GF is good at GvG’s. I find it really disrespectful for you Jinks to boast about something you did not partake in.

Piece of advice Jinks, have fun so you are not angry all the time. Maybe go outside once and a while?

Jayne.9251:

I’m secretly hoping they use my idea of a massively tall tower in the middle of the lake where the storm event is, that has only one entrance and about 100 steps to get to the top where the orb is .. no way to get there other than pure brute force.

sounds great for the server holding the top

Bag farm haven

Either way, if the stats are the same as before, the server with the most population will be able to hold all three orbs and ,with that added bonus, take the map much easier.

As for the GvG’s, all i see is Mag and truthfully, unless the gvg is above 15+ each side, it can be done in the heart of the mist.

As for this orb, all it will do is stack the higher servers. Just picture SoS or Mag, Heck even FA or DB. All these servers already lose by enough to NA tier 1+ TC. Add on those bonus and despair could engulf a whole server.

If handed poorly, whole WvW centered guilds could either transfer to Tier 1 or just leave the game. Creating an even larger gap of a already huge difference between NA tier 1 and the rest.

I would rather it did not happen.

Hexxed.8023:

Typical FA laughing when 8 of them kills me solo. You’re so good! Dat 8v1 rofl.

since everyone is looking at this through a one mind point of view, i think i shall try and defend some FA people that you are accusing with this screenshot

(I am taking for given that you are a thief)

1) The sentry is yours
2) Probably set up a trap, hoping for some random person to stumble upon this sentry and try to gank him (then say “why you bad at 1v1”)
3) its next to SMC and between SMC and Lowlands Keep (Path with a lot of FA travelers)
4)It is a sentry not owned by FA thus people came for the sentry and not the thief kill

Moral of story: You have the 1v8 coming so you have no right to complain. get smart if you want 1v1’s an find the path that people do not travel en mass thus securing two things 1) you get time for a 1v1; 2) You have a better chance of going against better solo players and not zerging or players built for the zerg.
Lets be honest, as a thief you should not have trouble with people that are built for group combat (zergs), so go find challenges and not baddies. It doesn’t make you better.

Recursivision.2367:

Hexxed.8023:

Typical FA laughing when 8 of them kills me solo. You’re so good! Dat 8v1 rofl.

Heh. FA is simply the rudest server I’ve ever seen. At least that #magswag comes packaged with some good skirmishes and 1v1’s. Don’t see them go running for the cannons any time there’s something resembling a fair fight >.>

Makes me appreciate what good sports you SoS blokes have been this week, have had several good small fights/duels in FA BL so far.

I hope you understand that one screenshot of a random person that is not even representing a guild does not represent the server.

Also with Mag, i have never seen a server dedicate such a force to greifing other servers, even when losing.

They are the only server that has guilds set aside to camp JP. That said, they are my favorite server for various other reasons.

Also, you want to see rude, talk to TC, they are so condensing that it makes me sick.

As for fights, these are not the fights that I like either, I would much rather be the underdog.

Auesis.7301:

After reading the mined .dat, I can safely say that NOBODY in this thread is even close to correct.

You’re in for a treat.

Most people in this tread are trolling Arena Net for their predictable Living story, im sure many do not believe what they are saying, they are just trolling

i laughed harder then i should have at that

The problem with this game is that is is catered to the casual player. Meaning that there is no hard dungeons or content that requires a close knit friendship. I remember playing Aion, i had a guild and we all knew each other and were good friends. We had to be because when a new dungeon came out, they were A) long and B ) hard. You wanted people that were good and would not get mad and rage after a few wipes. Here, things are so easy that most dungeons can be done with any pug group and any class/race. It is the problem with the no holy trinity. Everyone is replaceable so “friends” come and go

Achilles.2197:

saiyr.3071:

PoweredByRice.3517:

yawn How about come up with a new trolling material. T2 has been discussed in the last 6 pages. Come on #MagSwag, you have a reputation to uphold to.

ParaldaWind.4523:

Err…. JQ = T2

All take and no give, that’s the life of the Quarry. If you want better trolling material, send us your best guilds for GvG

Guild Wars 1 is that way —-—>

i need better directions. How far/long/which way do i need my monitor pointing so I get the right direction?

GuardianOMS.8067:

lol

dat chat

so funny

Hockey.2417:

wow, who is running, Me thinks FA. “skured” of a few asura?

ill bite

Good job at zooming out of the mini map to hide your true numbers, also looking at the PPT and seeing the guild, i can conclude that you are talking “Sea” time thus meaning that your zergs are 80+deep

With this said, GJ, you guys are truly among the best. Almost as good as King Leonidas at Battle of Thermopylae. Almost but ,sorry, he was godlike.

this thread 20/10
best Thread NA 2013

This match-up .000000000000000000000000000001/100

Furiousbeard.7602:

Fuzzion.2504:

Congrats to JQ on their victory. The question now is, who will win second place? My money is on FA (by Money i mean 10silver, yes im poor)

Not if jq continues to golem rush our bl every day…

i really hate to tell you this but DB doesn’t get away free either

They just have enough people that they can back cap, their BL get flipped every morning also :P

hex.3218:

TheAmpca.1753:

I personally am an FA NA member who plays on EB I can only describe Jade Bags and Dragonbags one way. Those two servers are like a baby’s butt; they are always getting wiped.

Come play with the big boys and girls on a borderland during NA Prime. Measuring a server’s performance by roaming in EB is like describing a band’s sound y looking at their album cover.

How about this. Stop by JQBL tonight at 7 pm EST and we’ll revisit this topic after.

I understand that you are calling him out and all, but telling someone to come to a fully upgraded and defended BL is not all that great of a call out…….. just my opinion

mexay.3902:

tl;dr calling the Fall of Abaddon irrelevant to the Guild Wars universe is like saying the French Revolution is irrelevant to human history.

Hate to tell you this, but all the French Revolution did was kill off rich people without trial, and perfected the use of the guillotine. Only world affecting consequences were that a decent amount of bright scientist died in the process. Don’t get me wrong, it had a huge impact for the people of France, but not the world.

Also do not forget, you are looking at human history through a eurocentric perspective. The Europeans were not the only people alive at that time so just because you had a chapter in history class does not mean it was important.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

We will not make both fractals.

this really saddens me

I really love all this fighting we are having over who wins, i do!!!!

But it would suck for the loser to never have the chance to see their fractal.

just my opinion, but this is the saddest thing i have seen a Dev write

This is what is going to happen, JQ will tick 500+ for oceanic and TC will tick 300+ for the rest of the day

Gellor.6497:

Kingzook.1620:

wait till the weekday, then you will see DB fall due to their SEA not being able to carry the server throughout the whole day

Remember, DB was pretty much tied with TC throughout the weekend, then lost by over 100k by the end of the week

Actually we weren’t tied nor did we lose by over 100k but thanks for playing

Proof

by Monday, you guys were only behind by 10k

By the end, you lost by 93K

Granted that was two weeks ago and this week might be different with the two new guilds that you got.

This is my last post in this thread, I am not here to troll you guys, i have TC to do that to

i see that there are two threads………

bump for funz

wait till the weekday, then you will see DB fall due to their SEA not being able to carry the server throughout the whole day

Remember, DB was pretty much tied with TC throughout the weekend, then lost by over 100k by the end of the week

LaMisT.1863:

Deyja.6745:

We are not recruiting guilds and many, myself included, would prefer some of these guilds went to other servers so there was some semblance of competition past reset night. That said, guilds are free to do as they wish and no-one on TC can stop them from transferring, nor can I blame them as the atmosphere of WvW is great here.

The fact that anyone from SoS is trying to make any judgements on skill level is laughable as whenever I personally have found you even on a map you’re far squishier than FA and it’s not even remotely challenging to kill you solo or in a group. As for FA I don’t like you guys personally but I sure am hoping you guys get some transfers (and you seem to have gotten at least one that I noticed today) because you put up far more of a fight than SoS or any other server we’ve faced in the last month, so good luck to you.

Totally agrees with this. I cant believe SoS is here talking about others being squishy.

Fighting FA is fun but recently I see them balling up as a big triple guild zerg that appears only when the whole map is lost instead of having smaller guild groups defending objectives.

I really hope ANet change the wvw matching back to the old tier system. I really miss fighting TC-DB-FA.

unfortunately it is the only want to combat the karma train zerg you guys run

Sir William PD.9615:

Middzz.1490:

You wonder why FA or parts of give the server an unsavoury reputation ……ask the Dolak parade .Well announced in advance well attended SOS TC .Peacefull bit of fun ..
so 2 guild FA or part of attack the parade repeatedly .

Can do it yes …was neccesary no ..it simply displays again a rather poor attitude .

What did you expect?

It is a FA tradition

Wish i would have been there for it

The thing the seperates the Tier 1 guilds from the Teir 2 guilds is quite simply the level of skill the guilds have.

TC, you have the numbers, it just that you guys would not be able to deal with the talent and skill of the guilds that the tier 1 servers house. That opinion may hurt peoples feelings but it is what i believe.

That and the simple fact that you would not have upgraded towers to defend when NA prime times begins, your strongest timezone.

After being wipe by BT, AGG, TW, and so on, the morale of the server would plummet and the fair-weathers would go into hiding, then you could complain about being outmanned. But as you stand now, you have the population of a tier 1 server

Surbrus.6942:

Exactly. It should be easy to understand that a few exploiters aren’t representing their entire server. When we on TCBL discovered our supplies missing from Hills, to find a bunch of trebs built in useless places, we knew it was an FA spy (or multiples), but the consensus on /map was basically, “that guy who did this is an kitten , and it sucks that we lost all that supply.. but we’re just going to have to deal with it”.

Unfortunately, i do not believe this is spying. Most times, i believe you have new people that pick up some blueprints and they just start building………..

It happens of FA quite a lot

stay classy TC…..

Man so many people mad…

Sgt Killjoy, when did you join Mag???

It seems like TC is losing its old face, first Jayne, now you……

displacedTitan.6897:

Tell me how them getting another box hurts you… I will wait.

HINT: It doesn’t

displacedTitan.6897:

Do other people having more points than you hurt your rewards? NO.

Its awesome how as soon as rewards are introduced people start crying and trying to take things away from others. I never played GW1 and I could give a kitten if people who did get 500 or 5000 AP from them. It doesnt hurt me at all and it rewards longtime fans.

Some of you need to reevaluate your life if you think this is “unfair”, its a couple points in a video game. I would hate to see how you act in real life if this is causing you so much stress.

actually it does, and that is what makes it matter, imo

When the new Ap rewards system, they mean another box

Iason Evan.3806:

Lothirieth.3408:

SynfulChaot.3169:

So … is this turning into “I don’t have those points so you shouldn’t either”? Cuz that’s what it looks like to me…

No, I think people just want a level playing field in this game.

And they can have it by going and playing GW1. There is a Hall of Monuments in GW2 and GW1. Fill it in GW1 and reap the rewards in GW2. It’s pretty simple, not to mention it is a GREAT game. People that haven’t played it will be doing themselves a favor by playing it.

Pay to win???

I did not play GW1 so maybe i am bias, but i do beleive that you should only get rewarded for the work you do in THIS game. People that already did the HoM already have special mini, if ranger you also get special pets, special armor, and not 500 free AP. It seems a little much.

When you start playing a game, you want even playing field, not for the die-hards of the game before to already have a one-up on you. I kinda always disliked the way GW1 carried over but this is a little much…..

Yes i know GW1 was a grind, i played Aion instead and that was just as much if not more of a grind

Both marketed by NcSoft, can i get skins and AP from there also?

Snafu.7412:

saiyr.3071:

My worst memory of siege warfare was the 8+ hour siege of our west keep way back when swirling was still a thing. FA definitely knows and loves their siege warfare but I find that to be the most boring aspect of the game. The same types of things still happen today, only not quite as long because of the removal of swirling. I haven’t noticed siege creep because I haven’t spent much time being useful in WvW this week, but seems everyone in Mumble is complaining about how slow you guys take our borderlands. Please use more omegas, thanks!

Who are the best open field guilds on FA, now?

There might be trebs in SW tower as we speak. They love that tower.

only had to kill 5 sup ac off the bat and then you tried to build 5 more as we fought up the stairs

We understand that you don’t like siege but for some reason i find that you guys use it a lot

love/hate relationship?

Zanshin.5379:

Something like this maybe?

for those that do not know, these are from Aion

Aion ,imo, still have the best skins of any game that i ever played. It is the reason i played the game for 3 years. They were so great!

those are good ideas and i do like them, i would rather they did not do anything to increase your stats and if they did, make it hardly noticeable. Too much of an increase and you would have people going towards the way of “elitism”

You guys were great opponents when we went against you on FA, i wish thee the best of luck and my the zerg be ever in your favor

PYRO transferring to JQ????

Thrumdi.9216:

Caffynated.5713:

You could always transfer off of the population stacked servers instead of hopping on the bandwagon and zerging it up 24/7.

Wrong! The challenge was fine when we were facing DB and FA.

The boredom is Anet’s fault, not ours.

I just hope they declare victory in Operation Kill Your Own Game soon.

Hate to brust your bubble, but if you guys went against DB and FA at the same time, you would still win by 100k

You recruited since those days and you were winning by 50k back then

It would be a blow out, TC officially has no tier, and the only people left to blame is TC, not ArenaNet.

I love how people complain about fights not being fair but then they stacked servers, if you want fair fights. the top 5 servers need to shed guilds to the lower tiers (but that will never happen)

And i told myself i would not bite on this troll…………..

best troll of the day goes towards Woofie

Grats on your Award

Renxian.6982:

Coverage is a byproduct of community. Community retains players. Why do you think TC for example has been steadily growing and FA has been consistently shrinking. One community works together and one tears itself apart. One community has commanders that berate militia and one has commanders that embrace them. One has inter guild and community cooperation and one passes blame and chases away member guilds.

Time for FA to stop convincing themselves that they are hot stuff and start building something. You all are so busy making excuses you can’t even see what is happening. FA can be much more than it is, we are breaking it ourselves.

I’ve been FA since I started playing this game, I want to see us grow stronger. However, in order to do that we need to stop actively destroying what we have. Right now FA is only marginally stronger than a T3 server. The first step to getting better is coming to the realization that we aren’t actually all that strong.

The reason TC is expanding is because they have deep pockets and can pay guilds to transfer over

It is the main reason RE went there over JQ
This is the trait the sets the stacked servers apart from the non stacked servers
All servers have the same community pretty much, we have RP’ers on FA, and TC has die-hard WvW’s also

Mif.3471:

FA talking about ethics…. LMAO

I have deleted that post because I was upset at the time and it was not the right thing to say, for this i will apologize for any feeling that i might have hurt

katanah.8431:

stuffz

Truthfully, i enjoy fighting bigger servers, it means i can always find a fight. I just do not like seeing 4 super servers, 2-5 good servers, and the rest struggling to get 20 people on a map at reset (in terms of population) .

I truthfully thought what arena net had in mind was for the servers to even out but i was proven wrong by that when they increase the cap yet again.

Now I’m almost positive that they will close 3 servers within the year and merge the population on to the remaining servers.

Edit: Grammar

Hickeroar.9734:

MomentofWeakness.1246:

I have commanded a ton since joining the server having a blast and hopefully improving Eternal Battlegrounds during my time on the field.

I’d say, based on the fact that I’ve logged in to find EBG completely green like 3-4 times this week…..mission accomplished. xD You guys are tenacious. You set your minds to do something, and then you do it.

FWIW, you’ve been great to have on board so far. Your attitudes in-game have been great, and I can already see the benefits of your presence. I think you coming here brought us to a nice sweet-spot in our NA where we can now compete with “T1 servers” in that slot if/when we face them. We have some obvious coverage holes in SEA and EU, but once those are filled in, we’ll be in a lovely place indeed.

So you guys are still recruiting?

Let me give you some stats. In the last 4 match ups, JQ/SoR/Bg have fought each other 3 times. One time SoR just won the rolls and got TC and SoS

this means that, according to this pattern, you will just pick on smaller servers. I really don’t see what you guys plan to get by recruiting more people? Neither DB or FA can put up the fight we did before for two reason, we lost guilds and you gained them.

Do you guys really enjoy zerging down a 5 man havoc squad trying to capture a camp, or sitting in que just to play?

I am not trying to troll, im just trying to understand your thought rational so maybe i can justify it when you do get guilds.

it isn’t just that guilds left, it is also that TC got guilds in turn

Frosty and Frosty Law Firm.4981:

I’m not getting involved in this argument but I’d like to point out that T.C hasn’t always had the long end of the stick.

This is true. All servers here have gone through, but i feel it is fair to say that TC has had to deal with it less then all and will continue to win. The way it is set up now, BG/JQ/SoR will have a 50/50 chance of getting each other, with TC stacking itself more and more, i feel it is safe to say that we will never have balanced “tier 2” matchup again.

This saddens me for two reasons. 1) New guilds will change the way the community is, 2) when TC wins, their forum trolls come out in force

The OG of TC i have much respect for but unfortunately, there are no OG’s left of any server. Old guilds die and new ones are born so they people that stood with TC during those times, i doubt they are the majority anymore.

Most guilds that transfer to TC are looking for an easy win 3 out of 4 match ups imo
I hate to say it but TC is slowly going the way of the bandwagon server.

These are of my own opinion and not of my guild or server

Littlefeather, you need to calm down, you guys are winning by a lot.

Relax, go outside and enjoy the summer. You guys shouldn’t feel stressful, there are plenty of big guilds on TC. Run some PvE or a fractal.

If you feel that you have to “represent” you guild by calling everyone out and telling people that they are the worst, then it is time you remember that this is a game, not a job or some hated event.

Be merry!

Hickeroar.9734:

RET did have a pretty big group on reset, and that was a lot of fun. They wiped our ~25 EP group a few times, but they weren’t big enough to deal with CERN and EP when we fought together.

I think this was Saturday night and the RET zerg was big, but i think we were only around 25 also. Both of your zergs were around the same size as us and combined you had us outnumbered greatly. It kinda reduced us to protecting what we had and limited the open field fights, not really my cup of tea but it had to be done or we would lose everything.

Most nights it seems end this way for this week.

Littlefeather.8623:

You may be takling about another night, RE doesnt loose against evenly manned fights, atleast not open feild fights. Not even SoR would fight us without Arrow Carts in the open field. Not trying to sound kitteny, but I havent seen a FA Zerg during primetime with merely 35 people in it. RE wipes, FA has wiped us but I have yet to see a WvW guild that can wipe RE as a guild with even numbers . To back it up have any FA guild whisper Ethersin for a friendly GvG with even numbers.

GvG’ing is different from open field fights. RE (on DB, back when they were new to DB) were the best at GvG’s but they would get wiped them in open field almost everytime. Open field has the element of surprise and class composition. GvG’s do not always measure your guilds ability to open field fight.

If you really think you are the best, go fight AGG, BT, or RG. Fraps it and show me then ill say you are the best.

EDITED: to bold a part in my quote

i have a confession, I miss Ajax Blue His one week stay on FA was fun, granted it was at the time that Kain was still winning I think. He really does make sense and he way of telling people is funny also. The only problem with Ajax was he never got on TS and it is really hard to lead people if you are not on TS.