I just would liek to inform everyone that the only point to a multi server alliance is if u guesting on a server then u will have ppl u can run with thats not strangers. So basically if the core guild is gaining influence thats on a different server than you then you wont be able to benefit from any of the perks that the core guild gets with influence even if you area guesting. This has been stated by the Anet staff so in order for a core guild to work properly u need to spend equal ammount of influence on each server. so if the core guild gets the guild missions you wont be able to benefit from them unless your guild changes servers to the same as the core guild.
While this is true, I didn’t create the guild to act as one guild everyone represents to do things. I created the guild MSGA for the sole purpose of acting as a roster for all the guilds involved so we can know an idea of how many people are available to help each other out with missions or dungeons, etc. I don’t want people to join MSGA and represent. Hell the only reason to even represent would be for the guild leaders to have discussions.
Guesting to other servers gives you influence for the home server.
I love how people scream “ENTITLEMENT!”, even though Anet said that “even small guilds will be able to do them” and then stack this huge kitten wall in front of small guilds and say “Oh but it’s a long term achievement” even though they have previously stated “It can help you pull in recruits by telling the open world it’s happening”.
When in reality you have to have huge pockets or a huge guild to even unlock the initial mission.
And I don’t refuse to run dungeons, nor do I refuse to do anything else. But people have lives, full time jobs, etc. and this game was built to cater to casuals. Saying “You have to spend all your time farming dungeons for influence or buy the influence to do this content” is a slap in the face to everyone BUT massive guilds.
So your response is “Want to do the content? Go do it with another guild and your guild can wait 6 months”?
As little as a week my kitten. Maybe if you’re actually buying influence.
For the tiers alone to unlock if you haven’t got anything in AoW you need 36,500 influence to get to rank 5. Then an addtional 30,000 for the unlock itself. So 66,500 influence from scratch. Smaller guilds are lucky to generate 5000 influence every 2 weeks if they don’t have enough people to do the dungeons frequently.
Now for the other guild missions. First you have to get to rank 5 as well(which of course will cost 36,500 if you haven’t unlocked), plus you also have to spend 50,000 influence AND a few merits to unlock them.
This is simply not going to be achievable for small guilds that don’t have big paychecks to spend on gems anytime in the next 6 months unless they start recruiting every single person they see. Which will be even harder now that the big guilds actually have exclusive things to offer them(missions that give currency to buy ascended earrings).
Oh no, we still manage to do the story dungeons when we have time to do so. But the guild missions were originally talked about as something everyone could do and potentially pull in new members with. Now it’s something everyone CAN do if they have enough members to generate enough influence to do. If they don’t have 50+ active members; they’ll be waiting months to unlock the first tier.
I’m with you on this one Foig, when they originally talked about guild missions; one thing that was hinted at was a guild starting a guild mission in an area and the people around see that. That this could be used to help pull in more recruits and earn influence.
When it turns out to be the exact opposite. To even start the first tier of bounty hunt you need to have spend massive amounts of influence in AoW and then an addtional 30k just to unlock it.
So your solution to the problem is “Join a second guild that CAN do them”?
Nice solution to people who don’t like big guilds.
I wasn’t accusing your guild of buying influence Areann. I was saying that for a smaller guild that’s only 1 of 2 options for accumulating enough influence to get into these missions.
Also Edewen, this game has never catered to large guilds, how exactly is being in a smaller guild and not indiscriminately recruiting everyone without regulation a bad thing?
I have a 30 man guild that’s not going to be able to see this content without either A) spending around 3-6 months just grinding dungeons(which most can’t do because of their levels being low) or spending a lot of money on gems to buy influence. Please tell me how my small guild isn’t being shafted here.
While I can agree with you on this one Wasabi, I don’t think that content should be withheld from small groups for extended periods of time either. And let’s be honest here; how many small guilds(10-30 people) do you know that have anywhere near enough influence to be able to even unlock a guild mission in the next month?
That is precisely what the small alliance of guilds is planning, the problem however is going to obviously be getting the amount of influence it’s going to take to even unlock the missions.
Yep because it’s totally being a cry baby for not wanting to be gated indefinitely from content.
I have a similar project that I initiated yesterday the MSGA. But the difference here is that the alliance guild is simply there to act as a roster for all available guilds to know who’s online and available to help with content and missions.
It looks like this large guild has more than enough influence to unlock most of the guild missions and kill the timer. Notice they’re researching tier 6 stuff?
I’ve created the hub guild for the US Alliance MSGA. Currently only 2 other guilds have joined it(which is as expected as I just made it). So anyone who wishes to join said alliance and get their members to do so as well either contact me or Edusd(as he’s now an Alliance Leader who can invite).
So I created the Multi Server Guild Alliance (MSGA).
Anyone who’s interested in joining it as the alliance hub contact me here or in game.
I was personally thinking about making a new guild called “Multi-Server Guild Alliance” or something to use as the hub guild. But any other guild leaders that want to join this alliance can also add me in game or on here to talk about the details.
I figured I’d make it and put all guild leaders into the category “Alliance Leader” or something.
Most of us are in the american hub, but that doesn’t mean that it ends for you here. I made this thread as kind of a meeting point for everyone interested. European guilds are welcome to use this thread to connect as well.
Well I suppose this location works; so long as they keep the recruiting messages out.
I can see Thieves being in that category, but outside of PvP Mesmers and Elementalists aren’t nearly as powerful as people like to think.
You act as if logging in every day and not doing a kitten thing with your guild is putting in effort. That’s how most of those faceless non-social guilds are. They recruit literally everyone without question just to get their influence.
Or was it 2 a day? I think it might be 2 a day.
You are limited to 3 servers a day actually. So on one day the whole alliance that wants to work together could go to one guilds server; on another it could move to another server. So long as we’re all on the same continent.
The only real limitation to an alliance between worlds would be running WvW.
With the guesting mechanic in place an alliance can choose a guest world to move to(since all influence transfers to your characters home world) and complete content/activities/missions there.
My concern is the alliances. I’d even be willing to create a random BS guild in order to serve as the hub. But as my first post stated, I’m not only listing this idea for guild missions; but rather for co-operation between multiple guilds for anything they may want to do.
Well this is what I was getting at earlier with the merging and alliances. Possible poor choice or words.
I have a guild that was full of WoW players that have since gone inactive. It has the first two guild bank upgrades, level IV and V upgrades, is sitting on 40k influence and some prepared banners. I also have an upgradable 25 man mumble server.
Since rebuilding from scratch is like ice-skating uphill, and it would be a shame to just toss out all thats gone into it…I would like to restructure my guild and ranks to serve as a hub for a small guild alliance .
The problem is that every time I get guild leaders to seriously talk about it, instead of understanding the concept of multiple guilds with a hub, they just want everyone to disband and form one large guild. And every leader has their reasons for why their guild is better.
If there are leaders of some small/medium guilds here that understand and support the concept and seriously want to form a cross server PvE alliance, PM me and we will get things going.
I think the idea of having 1 central hub guild for communication is a great idea; but everyone also wants their small guild to grow. So the hub guild would only really work to communicate between the guilds(You see people online, not repping the hub guild, you know who’s available).
I can understand not wanting your guild to die and that restructuring is hard; but if we can get an alliance going and start working together so we all get the upgrades; eventually we’ll be doing the missions and pulling in more members.
My guild has a 25 person vent server.
No, you’ve got it wrong Acidic. While I will accept others into my guild, I’m not asking for people to leave theirs to come to mine. That was a “here nor there” part of it.
My concern is the alliances. I’d even be willing to create a random BS guild in order to serve as the hub. But as my first post stated, I’m not only listing this idea for guild missions; but rather for co-operation between multiple guilds for anything they may want to do.
We can work something out for guesting between servers to make an alliance if you’re interested.
While I’m not open to merging my guild into another guild. I am willing to accept others into mine(so long as they meet requirements). But that’s neither here nor there.
I’m more concerned with having a solid foundation for future co-operation between guilds.
I also listed my information for in game. So if anyone is interested; they can either talk to me, or leave their information for me so I can contact them and work out something.
My guild personally has recently started having an activity night every 2 weeks where we get together and do a dungeon, do some jumping puzzles, play hide n seek, etc.
Would be great to organize some things like this with more than just us.
I agree, but until that time comes….we have the forums.
What I’m suggesting is for guilds to help each other; not just with guild missions, but with other content as well. I’m trying to promote community.
I’m also not looking for an immediate response from people saying “Oh I’ll do that, count me in!”; so much as other guild leaders opening up to the idea and possibly confirming at least an interest.
From information that’s been posted elseware(gw2guru for instance) we at least know that to unlock the first guild missions you need AoW 5 and an additional 30k influence to unlock the mission. So it’s not exactly jumping to conclusions.
With that said though, this idea for small guild alliances isn’t based solely for the purpose of guild missions. You’d realize this if you read the post.
Yeah….I’ve got about 15 years of experience with online gaming. My current guild has been together and fluctuating in size for about 8 years. I’m just trying to nick this one in the bud before a major backlash. I love this game and I’d much prefer to have those of us who want to see it continue to grow into something amazing work together to weather the storm than to have everything fly out the window.
So by the lack of responses I’m assuming that nobody thinks this is an idea worth working on. Good to know.
And….76 views later, no response.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Small-Guild-Alliances/first#post1513166
If I could direct your attention here. Maybe we can start working on a solution to the problem people seem to have.
Well with the upcoming guild missions being so much of a hassle to unlock and even moreso to complete with small guilds; I propose we start making unofficial alliances between guilds. But with that said, I’m not only proposing this for the missions.
It’s been too long since anyone in this game actually cared to really do anything other than WvW in a decent sized group. So what I’m proposing is that we start making guild alliances to do the usual content as well as the missions.
So say; you only have 3 level 80’s that can do the explorable dungeons, but you don’t want to just PuG in some randoms, ask one of the guilds in your alliance if they have anyone who would want to join. Of course it will also work with guild missions. As Colin suggested in his interview we could take turns helping each other complete the missions so we all succeed in the long run.
So with that, I’ll throw my guild into the fray to get this started.
My guild is The Sic on sorrow’s furnace. We have about 12-15 active/semi active members on most days, about 10 more less active members when they have time. We plan on doing these guild missions as soon as we can unlock them(we’re currently researching AoW 3).
You can contact me on the forums, or in game on sorrow’s furnace(either by using my display name or from one of my characters(Loosifah, Lady Hedetet, Mistress Claidi).
I hope we can work something out.
Also….this is what Colin actually said in that interview
Colin: Our hope would be that will dynamically come out of this emergent game-play. Like the bounties have different tiers so there’s a small tier that small guilds can do, so where it’s say, three bosses in three zones. Ten or fifteen people can do that as a small guild. You can pick which tier you want to kick off on based on how many people you have online. But maybe one of the things that will come out of that is, “well, our guild’s going to do a tier 3 bounty and it takes a lot more people to do, so let’s get three guilds together and our guild will kick one off and you help us do ours and then we’ll help you do yours,” so each of the three guilds all work together to accomplish it. I think that kind of emergent game-play will hopefully come out of that, for sure. We don’t really know what to expect just because it’s so hard to test internally to see what guilds are going to do when this goes live. So some of this is – we’re going to put it out and we’re just going to see how guilds interact with it and what they do. That’ll help us determine what other features and additions […].
I’m part of a small guild, and we have a pretty firm member base of our active people. I’m not saying everyone is going to leave. But I can assure you there will be those that do in almost every small guild to achieve easier results.
The bigger issue here is going to be trying to recruit new people when a large guild has all the perks people want.
I’m glad that your small guild looks at it that way lettuce; unfortunately though this is going to make it so the larger guilds get larger and the smaller guilds have even more trouble pulling in new people.
By “plenty to do for smaller guilds” he means the normal content in the game that you don’t need a guild to do. Good job screwing the smaller guilds on GUILD content.
I’m going to have to go with C; Tosha.
While I can rationalize some of the sentiments, exchanging gems for gold is in some cases the only way for smaller guilds to keep up with larger ones.
But that’s just one example.
50k influence just to unlock them? Are you kitten serious?
If that information is correct, small guilds are almost guaranteed to be screwed out of guild missions.
My guilds been around since the game launched, but we also have standards and rules when it comes to recruiting and keeping people. One of which is based on loyalty(which the multi-guild system clearly destroys). So my guild currently only has about 12-15 active people throughout any given day. So yes there are probably plenty of other guilds that have not maxed out everything yet. My guild has personally got politics and economy level 4, architecture level 3 and are working on AoW 3(because we rarely do WvW).
But the point you’re missing here badger is that small guilds are going to get screwed here. It’s already hard enough as it is to pull in new members to smaller guilds in this game because every kid out there wants everything handed to them without having to help achieve it. Now if you’re not a huge guild with disposable members filling up your influence reserves, not only are you not going to be able to use the usual guild perks often, but now you won’t be able to get the missions kicked off anywhere near the time it takes huge guilds to do.
Now add the fact that the in guild rewards for said missions are going to be lower travel costs, making more money, etc. People are going to be splitting off from the smaller guilds in favor of making easy money and spending less of it.
Nobody is asking for the ability to be able to do all the guild missions with only 3 people. However making it so only the huge guilds with tons of influence(by doing nothing but having tons of people) are the only viable options is just stupid.
I have a guild of about 15 active people currently. I don’t want anything handed to me, but with the implementation they’re talking about using for this; it’s going to make it incredibly difficult for small guilds to recruit(which is already pretty difficult) because the bigger guilds will be able to offer them perks from doing the missions(such as lower costs for travel, increased gold, etc.) all the time that the smaller guilds won’t be able to do.
I still think the person who had the idea of letting people be in multiple guilds on 1 character was a moron personally. It totally kills guild loyalty.
The point is that Anet has continually talked about guild missions being something that all guilds will be able to do. Size not being a major issue point that was talked about. With the system looking as it does now(Having to have tier 5 benefits being a big one), smaller guilds are getting screwed out of this. And your argument is what? “You want to do the good content? Join a big guild”?
I have a guild of about 30 people with about 1/3 of them being active most of the time. And 1/2 of the remaining 1/3 being semi-active. But even before the huge content update announcement it’s been hard to pick up recruits if you have any standards at all. Now with this new content update and adding rewards such as “MOAR MONEY” and “LESS COSTS FOR TRAVEL YO” it’s going to seriously gimp recruiting ability….which is already pretty horrible as it is.
Now I’ve enjoyed most of the content updates they’ve released since launch.
Ascended gear I liked(even though I’m not using any)
Fractals are fun
Guesting is awesome(even though it’s not currently able to transfer between countries)
Making the dungeons more difficult is awesome.
But this…..this just sounds like a very bad idea that’s going to kill many smaller guilds in favor of a mega guild.