They never said officially that you only get 5 per run. They also never stated if the value would go up with the difficulty.
No his post said they would continue to release more ascended items. They never said they would be higher tier than the already existing ones. Just more.
Sennar I’ve been suspended for 24 hours twice from the forums for infraction in this thread alone defending the update. So your logic there fails.
They actually have stated that exotic would be the final, best gear. They also stated that they wanted exotics to be easy to get.
A company sells their product on a promise, a manifesto that there would be no gated gear, no gear treadmill, no power creep. A promise that this MMO would be different.
Well, turns out that the entire time they have been developing gated gear with a power creep.
Why have they been developing this feature that was not needed when so many things in the game are broken?
The storyline is mediocre, at best. Whoever thought we should all play right hand to Treebeard the magnificent should feel bad.
The camera is still wonky.
Free transfers are still ruining WvW.
Bot problems.
The man running the economy doesn’t know anything about economics.
Broken events, broken quests, broken skills.
All of these problems that need to be addressed, and what did they spend my money on? Something I didn’t want, something I stopped playing other MMOs because of it.
Power creep. That’s all it is folks, don’t try to cherry coat it.
Should Anet continue on their current design model this game will just be another burnt out husk we will all refer to as another failed WoW clone.
Where/When did they state Exotics are the final tier?
When they promised no gated gear and no power creep. In their manifesto.
That never said Exotics were the last tier we would see. All it said was Legendaries would always be the Best in Slot items.
But they did say that there wouldn’t be power creep or gated gear.
This implies exotic is the final tier.
Just because you cannot read, doesn’t mean everyone else cannot.
Just because that’s what you got from it doesn’t make it true.
And just because it wasn’t implemented straight out the door doesn’t mean they lied. It’s possible it was meant to be implemented from the start, they just hadn’t finished it yet.
Not going to happen, and again they never promised exotic would be the last tier.
Also this may not be an official “expansion” but this is them opening up a new zone to play in. It’s basically a micro-expansion.
Also this is quite dumb. Why must people call everything that’s come out after WoW a WoW clone? Because WoW didn’t copy everything from every game that came before it; right? Games like Rift aren’t clones, they do their own thing. You argument is stupid.
My argument isn’t that adding a new tier isn’t vertical. My argument is that they never promised exotic would be the last tier; that was an assumption on your part.
They have promised that they wouldn’t be adding a new tier every three months(Which people are picking apart), but the reason it was worded that was is because everyone was screaming “WHAT IF THEY ADD A NEW TIER EVERY THREE MONTHS!?”
Your argument is completely subjective to thinking “exotic = best.” Which they NEVER said.
Stop arguing.
Do you know for a fact that new gear tiers will be implemented?
This is all subjective.
How is this false advertizing when they NEVER said exotic was going to be the last tier of equipment? They just said this wasn’t going to be a vertical progression game in terms of gear. But as I’ve previously stated there is ALREADY a progression table in place. Up until now exotic has just been the top.
They also never said Ascended is going to be the last tier either. They just said a new tier won’t be released every three months. So how will you feel when they release a new tier every… four months? Oh I don’t think the Warcraft kids will mind. That’s what they’ve been screaming for this whole time since the game launched and ArenaNet listened, as Linsey stated in her blog.
So congratulations. You’ve got yourself another Warcraft clone. Let’s see how long it lasts before you get bored with it and cry, beg, and plead for a company to come along and revolutionize the MMO genre. Too bad you’ve already got that with GW2 and you had to go and ruin it for the rest of us. Thanks.
Why do you people always scream “You must be a WoW kid” just because we have a different opinion than you do? I’ve been playing games LONG before WoW came out and will continue to do so LONG after it finally dies the horrible death it so desperately needs to have.
I don’t see why anyone would refund someone’s money after playing a game for over a month. By that point you’ve more than got your money’s worth.
But either way if people leave or stay I’m cool with it. I love the game.
If a happens I’ll have people to run dungeons with
if b happens my server will have room for people who actually enjoy the game.
It’s win/win for me
You are cool with it now… but what append if a lot of players leave? others games have passed from P2P to F2P, mechanic changes etc etc… in a continue lose lose escalation.
Maybe for you this is only the game of the moment… tomorrow they release World of wonderful farm and probably you are going to try that too.
For me (and a lot of others player i have to say) this is more than a simple game, i have waited this for 4 years (not 5 because i dont come from the GW community), searching news, reading every single blog.
So for me is a huge problem if the people leave because anet dont keep their promises or because its not clear with a lot of customers.
I’ve been waiting for this since GW1 as well, and there’s other games I could play right now(like Rift: Storm Legion).
How is this false advertizing when they NEVER said exotic was going to be the last tier of equipment? They just said this wasn’t going to be a vertical progression game in terms of gear. But as I’ve previously stated there is ALREADY a progression table in place. Up until now exotic has just been the top.
I can tell you now they’re not going to scrap Ascension gear and infusions. It won’t be added in sPvP and tPvP, but it’s coming.
So you guys have 2 choices.
a> grin and bear it, and hope they keep their word about no gear treadmill
or
b> leave and if you’re from europe try to get a refund after 600+ hours(which I think is stupid that you can do that).
There are a third option, and it’s the one we prefer.
Let them know through the official forums in a clear, respectful manor why we disagree with the design choice in the time leading up to and immediately after the implementation.
I’m not advocating something ridiculous like trying to get a refund on a product someone has already spent many presumably enjoyable hours on.
But letting a company know why you are dissatisfied with their product has a lot of value to the company.
I don’t think that’s ridiculous. If it turns out the product I bought is not the one that was advertised to me, I have every right to stop using that product and get my money back.
So by adding a new tier of equipment it’s not what they advertized and you should get a full refund after you’ve cost them money by hosting the servers for you to play on for 600 hours? Nice logic.
I can tell you now they’re not going to scrap Ascension gear and infusions. It won’t be added in sPvP and tPvP, but it’s coming.
So you guys have 2 choices.
a> grin and bear it, and hope they keep their word about no gear treadmill
or
b> leave and if you’re from europe try to get a refund after 600+ hours(which I think is stupid that you can do that).
There are a third option, and it’s the one we prefer.
Let them know through the official forums in a clear, respectful manor why we disagree with the design choice in the time leading up to and immediately after the implementation.
I’m not advocating something ridiculous like trying to get a refund on a product someone has already spent many presumably enjoyable hours on.
But letting a company know why you are dissatisfied with their product has a lot of value to the company.
Sitting back and taking things without speaking up does nothing but turn people into victims. There is absolutely nothing wrong with speaking up and sharing what we believe. Especially if it’s done through intelligent discourse.
That is true, you see I can respect your approach here. You’re not satisfied with this turn so you tell them respectfully.
As opposed to all the “I’m quitting and never supporting your company again” cries for help.
I don’t see why anyone would refund someone’s money after playing a game for over a month. By that point you’ve more than got your money’s worth.
But either way if people leave or stay I’m cool with it. I love the game.
If a happens I’ll have people to run dungeons with
if b happens my server will have room for people who actually enjoy the game.
It’s win/win for me
I can tell you now they’re not going to scrap Ascension gear and infusions. It won’t be added in sPvP and tPvP, but it’s coming.
So you guys have 2 choices.
a> grin and bear it, and hope they keep their word about no gear treadmill
or
b> leave and if you’re from europe try to get a refund after 600+ hours(which I think is stupid that you can do that).
Have you been in the game lately? Have you seen how much of the map isn’t open yet? Or how many bugs are in the game still? You don’t really think this game is completely coded and finished yet; do you? So why would you think that all the gear was ready to go straight from the start?
Note to thread.
Not all of us want to run dungeons or a instance thereof. Some of us just want to explore the world environment and do a little bit of PvP/WvWvW. Along the way we earn enough to buy our exotic armor set and accessories.
We continue to explore and earn to add the pattern and/or skin with associated dyes for looks. Knowing we are doing this and stats are staying equal regardless of exotic or tier level (say tier 3). We can now enter whatever content we want and not be any different than others in the group + or 1 stat distribution (healing, toughness, condition, etc).
Now there is a new choice to be made. While only 2 pieces or so, it has been stated that more are to come. Weapons are next on the list. 175 pages later people have voiced their concern, fear, hate, dislike, love, like, etc hoping to be heard. One thing for sure is that there “appears” to be more dislike than in favor of.
It doesn’t matter because it is going in tomorrow. Oddly enough I have personally never set foot into a instance/dungeon nor do I plan to. I’m still wondering the environment and smelling the flowers. A minority here, but I enjoy that more than fighting scripted beasts.
Please don’t break the environment and WvWvW aspect of the game.
You must have missed where they said that they will be available by other means as well. Such as crafting for example.
Why is everyone still crying about this? The update occurs tomorrow; they’re not going to cancel it now even if some of them wanted to.
It’s one single tier of equipment, with no customization.
You can cry “well I spent real money on my exotics” but who told you to spend real money? I’ve spent real money; but not on gold.
Some will cry “But I spent time getting all these sets of exotics, I don’t want to have to get another set!” To this I just have to laugh. You’re playing a game at 3 months in and expect to NEVER get new equipment? “But it should just be cosmetics! Not higher stats!” They never said exotics would be the final tier of gear.
But this is all just speculation. I personally look forward to new content, and the ascension gear. I’m geared out in full exotics on 2 level 80 characters. You don’t see me complaining “But now I have to spend more GOLD!”
At 80 when you’re doing whatever you want to you never stop making money.
Correction on bold, they said all end-game gear would be equal in stats and it has been posted, serveral times, and mentioned several times as well.
Again, even if the ascended gear had 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000001% better stats NO ONE IS SAYING QQ FOR 8%, the point is. There’s no reason to add new gear with higher stats when it was ANNOUNCED that there would be no such thing.
THIS is the reason why people are complaining, THIS has nothing to do with the updated content, THIS has everything to do with “WHY are you doing something you were against of in the first place?”.
Get it?, now go home.
Nope, not going anywhere. I’m going to stay and enjoy this game. I will also continue to convey my opinion as so many others seem to be doing.
Got a problem? Go home?
No I bought an MMORPG with a lot of PvE content and things to keep me happy. Just because GW1 didn’t have any vertical progression on gear doesn’t mean that GW2 has to have none.
I personally think Ascension gear will be the last tier, and I’m fine with that.
But you understand where we are coming from then right?
The game was advertised, hyped, and sold as not being about vertical progression. Precedent with Anet and GW1 has showed this to be the case and all the GW2 prelaunch interviews and information confirmed that this design principle was still driving GW2.
Now this is changing 3 months post release.
It’s quite simple why many are not thrilled.
Yes I understand where you’re coming from. But at the same time; I don’t believe they’ve broken any promises yet. Especially if this does turn out to be the final tier of equipment.
Their game philosophy never said that there would be no higher tier than exotic though.
There’s already progression in this game. White → Blue → Green → Yellow → Orange/Red
No I bought an MMORPG with a lot of PvE content and things to keep me happy. Just because GW1 didn’t have any vertical progression on gear doesn’t mean that GW2 has to have none.
I personally think Ascension gear will be the last tier, and I’m fine with that.
“To this I just have to laugh. You’re playing a game at 3 months in and expect to NEVER get new equipment?”
Yes. What are you, dense or something? This is exactly what we expected. New gear (toughness,con, heal power) maybe, but not stronger. We have 7 years of this, and 3 years of promises, backing up that we thought this would happen.
What did YOU expect when you joined the game?
What I expected was an amazing game that I enjoy. So far I haven’t been let down.
I did NOT expect that after 3 months I’d never have to do anything ever again.
Adding a tier, that must have been in the works before the game went live, does not constitute a radical departure from their stated philosophy in my book.
If the tier was in the works before the game went live, why haven’t they spoken about it before, letting us players decide if we wanted to invest in exotics or wait for ascended.
Oh wait, they would have sold a lot less gems…
Maybe it was….you know….a surprise?
How is ONE tier of new equipment after 3 months into the game a deal breaker? Who’s to say that implementing ascension gear wasn’t always the plan as the final plateau of equipment?
Why is everyone still crying about this? The update occurs tomorrow; they’re not going to cancel it now even if some of them wanted to.
It’s one single tier of equipment, with no customization.
You can cry “well I spent real money on my exotics” but who told you to spend real money? I’ve spent real money; but not on gold.
Some will cry “But I spent time getting all these sets of exotics, I don’t want to have to get another set!” To this I just have to laugh. You’re playing a game at 3 months in and expect to NEVER get new equipment? “But it should just be cosmetics! Not higher stats!” They never said exotics would be the final tier of gear.
But this is all just speculation. I personally look forward to new content, and the ascension gear. I’m geared out in full exotics on 2 level 80 characters. You don’t see me complaining “But now I have to spend more GOLD!”
At 80 when you’re doing whatever you want to you never stop making money.
They did properly respond to this thread. Just not IN the thread. Read the announcement.
Also to set one thing straight. Most of us who are enjoying the new content update coming out never played that horrible game WoW.
I know I personally never touched it, granted I’ve played plenty of other amazing games that have gear progression to them.
From everything I’ve read the new ascended armor has higher base stats because you can’t rune/orb them up to give them a stat increase. Therefore they’re only really useful for the infusion slot to prevent agony in the dungeon.
I personally played Guild Wars 1 from it’s release and loved it, but that doesn’t mean I’m not going to enjoy the hell out of some extra content and 2 new STEPS in the gear progression.
I find it quite hilarious that people thought the exotic armor that’s so easy to get would be the final tier of equipment and that they’d never have any new better equipment to get that might actually take some effort other than “I made moneyz”. The game’s been out for all of 3 months and you thought you’d never have to do any more work for future content?
I personally welcome the new content. Especially since they’ve defined that the gear progression WILL end as Rare → Exotic → Ascended → Legendary.
Also the fact that Ascended has fixed stats no capable of normal upgrades balances it out so that it’s pretty steady with exotic anyways.
They said in the press release:
“We will not be adding a new tier of gear every 3 months that we expect everyone to chase after and then get the next set and so on.”
Also “Ascended and infusion rewards will be available in both PvE and WvW over time, and be made available through all sorts of content around the world including existing content. PvP will remain unaffected to ensure our intended PvP balance going forward. We are also working on other reward and progression systems for the game that tie into current and new content and features. As you know we care very much about your support and opinion and are listening intently to what you say.”
My biggest concerns are how this will affect “older” content, specifically lower level zones and the current eight dungeons. Exotics already make playing in most lower level zones way too easy.
With ascended gear (when full sets are in the game), Im concerned there will be even less incentive for people to revisit older areas because all challenge will be gone (similar to what we see in other gear progression games).
The problem is more pronounced for the current dungeons. Not only will the gear make them easier, it may eliminate alot of people’s incentive for even attempting them.
One of the biggest selling points for me when buying this game was that the entire world would be a viable and challenging place to play. Level and gear progression in other games ensures that dated content eventually becomes obsolete. It really looked like that wouldnt be the case in GW2. I was looking forward to fighting champions in Harathi Hinterlands, or running Honor of the Waves, five years from now and having pretty much the same epic and fun experience I have today.
Like many, I would much rather see you simply add infusion slotted gear and forget about the idea of increasing stats. Its seems better for the future of the game.
If you read the press release you would see that they plan on incorporating the new gear into older content as well.
The thing you’re failing to realize is for every person who hates this, there’s a person who loves it.
I got infracted for defending ANet and for saying it was nice knowing someone about to leave. Wow
On a side note: If ANet completely turned around and said “We were wrong, we’re not going to introduce this” it would completely make them look weak and like they have no conviction to what they’re doing.
Maybe this is just their way to get people to run the dungeons? I know for a fact 50% of you haven’t done every dungeon.
And there is a reason some of us havent, we dont like them
If you don’t like them, then don’t do the new one?
Maybe this is just their way to get people to run the dungeons? I know for a fact 50% of you haven’t done every dungeon.
Am I to assume that all of the people that hate getting new gear so much are still in the gear they hit 80 in? Because if you complain about “being forced” to get new gear in order to stay on par, then you must have hated it then too. Right?
I’m not against getting gear. Heck I’m not even against the concept of slightly more difficult than Exotic gear to get even though it’s far mroe costly than it should to try multiple builds as it is currently.
What I’m against is “kick in the balls” effect where all the work I did to get the best available gear on the promise that it’d remain the best available forever was undone in a single patch and I’m left with some dead weight gear and no money.
That’s the thing though, the “best available gear” today isn’t always the “best available gear” tomorrow. Even if it’s just different stats on armor being introduced. If you wanted a set with Power/HP/Condition rather than the set you currently have of Power/HP/Toughness you would still have to get new gear when it came out.
I didnt say it wasnt a lot of people. I said it wasnt enough.
I agree the lack of anything worthwhile on the cash shop isnt helping.
The gear progression is a temporary fix though. They may get an influx of new players from WoW but those players tend to go back when they finished devouring the content. I mean there is a reason why no other game is able to compete with WoW. If they offer the same type of game play as the original, people would try it and then go back. The original is always better.
A more fleshed out cash shop could solve any financial issues. This solution only really serves to alienate people who love GW2 specifically because it’s not a gear treadmill.
They may tend to go back, but some may stay. You need BOTH communities. The “no treadmills” arent financially viable, and as you said, the “treadmills” have other options when they feel like their time is wasted in GW2. The “treadmills” need to feel like their time isnt wasted. They arent mutally exclusive unless you want them to be.
Also, gear treadmill != gameplay. Just adding another teir of gear does not, in any way, make GW2 play like WoW.
QFT^
What are you people going to say about this update when they announce fixes for everything you’ve been complaining about as well as the minor equipment upgrade?
Better looks? Rare cultural gear has better looks than most exotics.
Different Stat combinations? It would still just be exotic gear.
Infusion slot? That’s practically the only major difference, plus minor stat increases.
If it had the same exact stats are exotics then what would be the difference?
If the only thing you get from new sets and new gear in new content updates is a new look, what the hell is the point in doing the new content other than “Oh wow I have all these pretty USELESS sets”?
Because we enjoy doing the content for the sake of fun!
You don’t need to chase the carrot to enjoy yourself. Doing fun things is fun.
Why should there be more to it than that? This is what Anet has said to believe, and it’s what many of us do as well.
Actually, nothing is fun for me, without a reason for doing something. And Millions of MMO players have proved this to be true already. Anet stick to whats proven numbers don’t lie.
You aren’t a gamer. That’s all there is to say.
So because he finds different enjoyment in gaming than you do, he’s not a gamer?
So by that logic because you have different likes and interests than I and most of my friends do; you’re not a person?
The thing that I find the funniest here is that all of this feedback from the community is based on speculation. Nobody has even seen anything other than a RING kitten
So now I’m equated to a crack addict because I like the idea of having a new tier of equipment with a major content release?
Yes, you are like one, since you can only have fun when imaginary numbers go up and the game becomes about it. This is because you are so used to the skinner box that you start confusing it with actual fun.
Hence crack: It’s the perfect comparison.
You said it yourself, really. I am simply point out what this says about you.
You’re delusional. So because I actually like this I’m a lower class of gamer or an “addict”? Get over yourself.
If the only thing you get from new sets and new gear in new content updates is a new look, what the hell is the point in doing the new content other than “Oh wow I have all these pretty USELESS sets”?
This is a prime example of what has happened to the MMO community. It is no longer about playing the game. It is about the PHAT LOOTZ SON that you get at the end. It really doesn’t matter to these type of people what that content is, as long as they’re properly rewarded for it.
If the content is fun and you’re rewarded with a skin that marks the prestige of what you’ve done; why isn’t that good enough? You can increase the difficulty of content without having to exponentially increase mob HP and Dmg. You can also make the content rewarding without creating vertical gear progression.
It’s not ALL ABOUT PHAT LOOTZ SON as you would say, I enjoy the game for what it is without a loot progression. But I also enjoy an upgrade in equipment from time to time. Get over yourself ‘son’
If the only thing you get from new sets and new gear in new content updates is a new look, what the hell is the point in doing the new content other than “Oh wow I have all these pretty USELESS sets”?
Fun. Challenge.
You know, the reason you play games. Remember those singleplayer games you bought and finished?
Where was the point in that? It sure didn’t give you stats somewhere, no?
The new gamer generation is so pathetic, always demanding rewards and seeing those as the only important thing. Crack addicts, nothing more. No wonder so many older players are so annoyed about this change.
So now I’m equated to a crack addict because I like the idea of having a new tier of equipment with a major content release? Even though they’ve mentioned their intentions of a “legendary” armor? Go take a nap grandpa.
And by the way I’m one of those “older gamers”; kitten.
If the only thing you get from new sets and new gear in new content updates is a new look, what the hell is the point in doing the new content other than “Oh wow I have all these pretty USELESS sets”?
So just because they add new content with a few upgrades to equipment they’re trying to steal players from other games? They’re trying to imitate that horrible kitten game that just imitated everything before it?
Get a kitten clue man. WoW was not the first MMO and it is definitely not the best. Nor will it last forever. Times changes; games get new content. Just because there’s a little vertical progression doesn’t mean it’s going to destroy anything.
Who’s to say this won’t just turn into a diagonal progression then flatter back out to horizontal?