Guild Wars 2

Vingador replying in a thread about toxic players. Golden.

cheshirefox.7026:

i think you mean mini rox?

That would be nice too. But no. I mean a large rock that follows you around with a smiley face painted on it. And yes I’m serious. It would be the best mini pet ever.

Not a single person in the top 25 deserves to be there. They just grind games all day

Alright, I’ve read plenty of posts here that demand the nerf of the classes that abuse celestial amulet. While I completely agree that cele is out of hand, I’d rather point out my own thoughts as to why the meta needs to shift. No salt, or waterworks.

With all of the prior cash tournaments, and the future ones to come; we as a community, have to go off of the assumption that Arenanet would like to continue to push towards the dream, “Esports”. I would like to lay that as the ground work because this is 90% of my argument, and where I base my ideas off of. If that assumption is confirmed as false by Arenanet, then null and void any of the posts concerning “balances”. So, here’s my thoughts:

A game that is striving to become esports needs to be a spectator sport. Many streamers, and competitive players have said this time and time again. While everyone has their own thoughts as to how to make this better, I will make it simple. The game needs to be exciting to watch. Viewers WANT to see the “oh kitten” moments and the “heads up” plays. Celestial amulets and bruiser builds don’t cater to the exciting moments to be had in this game. More-so than most, this game demands mechanically well-rounded, and fast twitch game play. When one player/team beats another, it SHOULD be based off of them being better than the other player/team. Celestial amulet is so forgiving that it doesn’t truly matter if you dodge or mitigate damage, you can simply face tank it. For the past two major tournaments (WTS and All-Stars), I have fallen asleep while watching the stream due to general lack of captivation. Big plays, get big views. Honestly, golf has more exciting plays than Guild Wars 2 right now.

My goal here isn’t to flame anyone (despite popular belief), or belittle the community. But, let’s be real, players who were considered low to mid tier are now bathing in the light of e-fame due to celestial amulet alone. Reserve the cash tournaments for the players who dedicate endless hours to being better duelists, and team players. These are the type of players who spend hours attempting to be mechanically flawless on their zerk builds because one mistake, or mis-timed dodge, may be the end of them. These are the guys I want to watch, and these are the guys I want to root for. The groundwork for an amazingly competitive game has been laid, but it’s almost as if it’s being ignored so as to appeal to casual players. At the end of the day, I should want to strive to play like my favorite player, or team. I shouldn’t be able to pick up the controls and be playing at the same level as these “top tier” players within a matter of days, or even hours. Granted, some classes/builds have naturally lower skill floors than others, but what I’m asking is for Anet to raise the skill cap.

I’ve been very ambiguous in this thread, so I apologize for not coming with the “solutions” to the problem. Frankly, there’s a ridiculous number of ways this meta can shift into something more constructive for the e-sports scene. There are tons of more intelligent players than I that can dish out multiple approaches for change. If you wanted help, I’d give it. But for the past two and a half years it’s been less about listening to the community, and more about being too prideful to admit defeat. Put your hands up in the air, ask for help, and apply feedback.

TL;DR: Nerf Celestial Amulet.

You see that little buff icon in the eles skillbar thats orange and has little flames coming off the the buff icon? It says fire attunement. So watch out. New players don’t usually pick up on this right away, but thats normal.

You could also blind, dodge, evade, block, daze, stun, weaken or go invulnerable. You can literally pick one out of the 8 options I listed, (bonus points for 2 or more), and the eles burst is largely mitigated. Now the next part is hard to do sometimes against a player with everything on cooldown. You probably already do it every day. All you need to do is sneeze in the general vicinity of the ele, and he/she goes down.

I genuinely cannot tell if this is a troll thread. Personally, I’d like to see people on rank farm servers banned in general.

Mark Katzbach.9084:

Atherakhia.4086:

It sure would be nice to get some interaction and commentary from a dev.

You mean like these recent threads?
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Solution-to-fix-the-population-imbalance/4437596
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Scoring-Discussion/4472575
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Siege-Troll-Discussion/4422954

Dude, we all lost faith in you. No matter the ton of discussion going around. We gave you the chance. We wait for months. What you gave us? A freaking “Colored commander tag” and “Siege golem mastery”?

Come on Anet, stop trolling. If you want us to stay, get some manpower going on to WvW not a lol PvE. I’m sure the game will die if you keep adding those stupid pve one-time-map every two months.

WvWvW havent get a single great update ever. Nothing had been done to make it work. Orb hack? It was removed and completely forgot until today! Simply amazing how you people “IGNORED” WvW.

GG Thread inside ^^

Hello, anet, I play zerk dd thief. Rangers QQ about my burst, I took some nerfs. A lot of nerfs. Yes, I was balanced, before this patch. I’m now tired when I engage a group, to kil 2 or 3 guys, to have an add of a noob quickness ranger at 1500 range, and one shot.

My ex-girlfirend make a ranger and killed me and /laugh on my corpse. You want the same thing ? No, nobody wants. And she began the game 1 week ago.

So now, I want to be rollface too. I want backstab with 1200 range, like I throw my dagger into the back of the ennemy. And please, if she apply a lot of Vulnerability.
I’m okay to be squishy, I know and recognize that, but I want to survive with my skill, and I want to be killed because ennemies have skills too. I don’t want to be killed by a randomly spammer.

Ranger was balanced, but a lot of players who played it are bad.
Ty Anet.
Thx for this great game, i love it, after all

Btw: I don’t want to play p/d thief.

Next week, we will talking about Killshot on warrior. If you want “balance”, He needs to be instant.

Oh boy oh boy oh boy!

I logged in just to respond to this thread, and boy, it takes a lot for me to get to do so.

1. Don’t tell me how to play the way I like.

2. It is impossible to get the stat combos that most, if not all duelists want to use/like through spvp. Sure the game mode is nice to duel cross server, but don’t cram your PPT bull down my throat, ’kay?

Signed,
A WvW Player that is probably better than you are.

This is a sad day. I always loved browsing through Vee Wee posts. Farewell frand!

When fighting Rangers I especially like trees. It’s the ultimate LB ranger shutdown.

MarkusParkus.8467:

Mesmer’s need more elegant armor, I’d love Anises’ set!

For 2000 gems, my Charr mesmer will be pretty alluring in Anise’ outfit, right? Right?

Mark Katzbach.9084:

ipan.4356:

2 years is a long time for an MMO not to release anything.

I think you are mistaken. We have released content and features in the last two years on a fairly regular basis. Just because the content and/or features were things that you personally did not particularly care for doesn’t mean we didn’t release anything.

Please don’t trivialize the efforts of our design and development staff down to “nothing” because you didn’t like it. It’s fine to comment that you didn’t care for what was released, but don’t pretend like we’ve done nothing here for the past two years.

Looks at WvW

Looks at sPvP

Looks at precursor crafting

Looks at official GvG game-mode

Looks at guild capes and guild halls

Looks at new zones and dungeons

Looks at new weapon, utility, and elite skills

Looks at slow and almost non-existent balance updates

Ok Mark.

A bunker is a defensive military fortification designed to protect people or valued materials from falling bombs or other attacks.
Picture for reference: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/PanoBunker.jpg

This is a dirty, dirty job, but someone must do it, and as I like the mesmer community I will go ahead as a public service:

Clone Generation:
- 4 in dueling causes a clone to be generated on dodge; only spammable in so far as dodging is spammable.
-Various weapon skills produce clones, non of these skills are spammable as all have cd’s, the minimum of which you will see is treated staff phase retreat at about 5 sec, or if you let the mesmer sit back and auto attack you with scepter you will see a clone generated every third attack (but I’m sure you’re not talking about this, which never happens).
-Various weapon skills produce phantasms. These actually do damage and are on much longer cool downs, around 20 sec depending on traits. Again, not spammable.

Stealth: We have 4 possible means for stealth, and nobody takes all of them, so max you see three, but really only two have short enough cd’s and these are the ones you are seeing used in combat:
-Decoy, a utility skill with a 40 sec cd (34 traited) that puts the mesmer in stealth and produces a clone. Not spammable.
-Torch #1, puts mesmer in stealth, 30 sec cd (24 treated)
-Viel: utility that puts a line on the ground that stealths allies who walk through it, 90 sec cd. Need I say not spammable?
-Elite Skill mass invis: 1 3/4 sec cast time, 90 sec cd, stealth for 5 seconds. Easy counter here is to interrupt the giant cast with a huge purple glow. Not spammable.

So, all of this taken together does give mesmer steady clone generation if they trait for it, which most do, because clones/illusions are our resource/a primary part of our damage similar to adrenaline and life force.

I hope that clears it up a little for you.

Edit: Ah I see that many others have joined in here while I was typing this. I also see you are asking if this is good class design. Let me answer that for you: No, it is not. In fact what it is is a failed attempt to bring a unique and awesome class from GW1 and shoehorn it into some, shall we say less than optimally intelligent, person’s vision for class combat and balance in GW2. A class built around counter play, control, and punishing button spamming bad players (I assume this describes you) got replaced with a class that survives by producing ai pets to exploit a horrible targeting ui system in order to win. If you could hit a button and instantly target the last player that hurt you instead of the last enemy (ai or player), all mesmers would die quickly and nobody would cry.

Mark, with all due respect, you guys have received ridiculous amounts of feedback and not much has come of it.

Asking for more at this point is just insulting.

Yep. Welcome to people who have no interest in crafting ascended. We’re positively bombarded by dust and empyreals and other crud we have no use for. It’s never a good day until I destroy some ascended mats xD

And chain fear is not OP? When a necro fears you 4 times in a row and you only have 2 stunbreaks. Necro lost to a thief= l2p.

Some people may think they have all the answers, but this is what’s REALLY happening.

MarkusParkus.8467:

Evilek.5690:

Charr

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Wow, such testing, many QA

This thread should embody the hundreds of other threads made by people who request nerf for thieves.

This kind of people usually:
_know nothing about the Thief class
_know nothing about PvP
_(usually) claim to be really good players
_(usually) know nothing about their own class as well
_don’t even try to get better at the game and ask for nerfs instead
_will not change their mind ever
_say that every thief is a noob and that other classes “require skill” to be played

It’s kinda funny that not every user here actually got this