Guild Wars 2

“Ogre has been the voice of the PvP community…” Wait, what? Since when is mindless GvG now called PvP? GvGers follows the same principle as PvE Raiding in other MMOs, follow the lead, spam AE, rely on mass boons from up to 24 allies… Sorry thats`s not PvP, try gain, when you`re capable of focus targeting, assisting, interrupting, communicating key skills, etc pp. You GvG guys amaze every day… an endless stream of tears and whine combined with an absolute deluded ego that`s blind for reality.

GvG is PvP now… seriously?

Best regards.

Thank you, Devon.

That`s all I wanted to hear. I trust you will find a proper barrier to make sure, not everybody in EU gold league becomes Vizunian for a week.

Thanks again and best regards.

I`m quite sad the troll posts get immediate reply, while the more serious concern is getting ignored. Devon, please answer me.

All these easy moders running 80% war/guard hammertrain setup claiming the endless boon & cc machine is skilled and balanced are really funny.

What is the alternative to running above mentioned setup (med/large scale)? Right, there is none. Seems balanced to me! Basically l2p means play hammer and stability, what classes have both again? Ah, warrior and guardian! Great balance, wonderful diversity and counters!

You could take 10 monkeys, build a hammertrain and they would crush a group of the 5 world`s best players running balanced setup without war and guard, simply because the sheer amount of CC can`t be kitet, controlled or dodged. In any other game I played the 5 top players would easily wipe the floor with the 10 monkeys, because of DR.

All of your “hey, just dodge” or “just pop stability” excuses can be translated to:“Please keep my carebear mode!”

The latest immobilize changes make the issue even more concerning. Sad state of the game.

Nah, man, you`re just too good. That signature frightens your enemies so badly, they´re shaking too much to put up a fight.

I wouldn`t even dare challenging someone who is bombing with guilds known for being mediocre at pressing “1” and who has accumulated the mindblowing number of 90k kills (with a z, only superstar gamers get that z).

Best regards

@ XRKUN:

So who (except Vizunah) would be able to challenge the o so precious first place of SFR in any matchup? Great coverage doens`t make a great name, it just seems to encourage lazyness and deluded egos… alongside with queue and lags.

Congratulations, XRKUN! Your “1” smashing abilities have promoted you to status of full zergling. Now get in the queue, zergling no. 518923242! Be proud of your name…ehm…number…whatever!

No offense, not even your fault but a simple fact.

Best regards

@ Grouch:

Do you guys responsible for balance roam in wvw at all? To me it seems you are just not able to reproduce the terrifying results experienced abusers can with perplexity since months now?

I just can`t believe you don`t see the discrepancy between the power in numbers alone of perplexity compared to any other comparable runeset (condition application).

If you honestly believe that change made this rune balanced, give it free for tpvp as well. You won`t. Because you know it is not balanced. Why not admitting it and changing it accordingly to put it on par?

Best regards

I love your posts, Zenguy and Cactus, always spot on. I`m not agreeing to everything you say, but you always reason with viable arguments properly backed up by facts and/or observations.

Thanks for that, keep it up.

You own nothing, Wemil. The blob does. And in case you are some kind of insect overlord for SFR i hope you`re at least as pretty as Kerrigan is…

Hello,

I am playing this game since pre-release and spent the vast majority of my playing time in WvsW. Just now I accidentially found this thread and realized I never had any boni displayed.

I did not leave my homeserver Kodash (DE) ever.

At the moment I am quite shocked, because if not displayed means I never received them, I would have been treated as second class customer since release compared to not only my enemies but the people on my server as well.

Such an issue that is affecting so many people should get more attention from your side, Arenanet. Right now, I am more than surprised and disappointed that:

1. It is not you (!) that informed the customers that there could be a severe bonus bug that couldve affected me since you know about the bug for some time.

2.There is no front page apology & update to your customers, when and how you plan to solve the problem.

Equal terms for your customers should be first priority and at least recompensation to the affected customers for the “lost” income (compared to your server collegues who actually received the same bonus percentage) because of gathering disadvantage is more than due. This bug affected me negatively (income wise) probably for about 90% of the hours I spent playing GW2!

There is a 17 (!) days old thread in the german “Game Bugs” section that is mentioning this problem and guess what, not a single reply from official side. I really hope someone official over here can give me feedback about your plans how to solve the issue.

Thank you in advance.

I don`t know, anyone who bothers reading my post history can doublecheck that I am almost always advocating for respect, sportmanship and modesty in any matchup thread.

Anyone who bothers checking the old match up threads of SFR can see how disgusting any thread gets where some of your self-proclaimed SFR forum representatives brag about how great they are and how utterly terrible the opponent…

Same issue here, same guys bragging, it gets old and is sad to read. I am just missing the voices of reason, the grown ups and was hoping you guys would agree that we can do better than that.

Lost cause, I get it now…

SFR has great players, mostly solo roamers, I had lots of friendly and respectful encounters ingame, here`s hope that attitude will carry over to your commanders and forum warriors sometime.

Best regards

@ Dominik:

Because the bland conquest mode of tpvp with almost 50% of the maps sucking heavily is just not what I expect from PvP. It is appealing, but not as much as Open-World-PvP with all the beautiful tactical options offered by open terrain and focus on actually killing enemy players…

I have absolutely no issues with big armies, with defending, point playing, etc. I love strategy. But I have issues with brain afk monotag zergers demanding everyone to cater to their style of play and hanging to the illusion it would be o-so-skillful PvP they are doing.

You`ll never find most of these guys in smaller groups where they have to actually prove their mechanical abilities, but you will find them here on the forums, crying about pugs, blobs, arrowcarts and whatever they feel the need to cry about if people choose to play the game differently (o the irony).

In what world do you live, where 20vs20 is considered smallscale? It is about a fourth of your own servers map population, thats not small by any means. The group control and ae restrictions suggest, that 5 mans is the optimal minimum setup (hint: minimum setup = small scale). However, combining these groups is absolutely legit, but not smallscale anymore, sorry.

@ Snowstorm:

But don`t you minimize the chances for fair/amazing fights the bigger your group gets? Not only because of the limitations of personal impact but also the (key-) point of finding proper groups to fight? Isn`t it illusionary to demand every matchup to provide a wide variety of equally sized guilds? Why not breaking up your monotag ball if there`s just nothing equal to fight (keep in mind 20 man is probably 1/4th of one servers whole borderland population)?

Best regards

Why wouldn`t I be voicing my opinon, these are the WvW forums afaik. That`s my observations after watching countless GvG`s and after having played most of these so called tiptop GvGers myself in smallscale environment, where individual player skills actually matter…. it`s most of the time just pathetic what these guys are able to deliver.

Get PVT, some guards, warris, wellomancers, sprinkle in an ele and a mesmer and you`re good to go for the cyclejerk called GvG. Sadly, there is not much to have a clue about in GvG, that`s the point.

Your guild and BuLL, Tellerion, are actually the only notable exceptions, there are some VcY members, that indeed know how to play. That doesn`t make GvG any more challenging, tho. It`s Baby-PvP for people who are not able to master their classes properly. Yeah, and I`ve met them all on the field, at least the EU ones.

Best regards

Yeah, Tshik, you`re totally outmanned in this matchup… Do you guys really believe your own fairytales?

Every day and night off prime time you gather the largest number possible, jump borderlands and play karmatrain. During primetime you can at least provide 4 independent 30+ man mercenary guild blobs (“press 1 til you die” blob is “press 1 til you die blob” blob, i dont care about the mixture of tags) + pugs. There just is NO other server on EU that can field such numbers, except Vizunah.

And please dont bother telling me about Kodash blobbing, Kodash IS blobbing! I know it, I don`t like it, but at least I have the decency to admit it while you guys are playing the zerggame, but act as if you would be a server full of wannabe elite players or something.

Somehow I wish Jade Sea would come back, absolute no difference in skill or playstyle to SFR but they at least had the guts to admit what they`re doing.

Best regards

@ Wemil:

Grow up, dude, my comments and this discussion were targeting possible abuse, not server performance, I was just trying to make a point. Please keep your deluded server-depending ego and fail posts where they belong, big man, thanks a lot.

Does this guy really have that serious issues, that he has to enter a thread completely unrelated to SFR and “clear things up” when his server is not even mentioned? Kindergarten…

Well, I assume, the original idea was just to reintroduce brackets, because the randomness of the current matchmaking is causing lots of trouble.

Since going backwards is not going to sell very well (to both, boss and players), someone came up with the idea to tie these new brackets to something what they think every player wants. Give them shiny stuff and sense of accomplishment, they will love it! But it needs to have a fresh name, i mean, since we are inventing something new, let`s call it “league”!

Job done: WvW department happy – new milestone created, solved matchmaking problem without being forced to just redo brackets; boss happy – new milestone created, big league announcement (it`s rolling) instead of just having to announce a reversal of the current matchmaking; players happy – newly tiered matchmaking with less randomness and shiny new stuff.

The rest is just…. finetuning!

A league solely based on population? Come on guys, it`s just a name for the new brackets to make them and you feel better and to give something to the crowds who cry since day 1 for not being rewarded sufficiently for their great achievement of playing on a highly populated server.

Best regards

Hey Aneu,

I`ve been critizing GvGers heavily in other threads but I want to thank you for this beautiful piece of text. It`s been a while since I`ve read such a well worded post with so much truth in it. I don`t think this post is meant to be about GvG at all, it`s just asking for more acceptance and coexistance for all the different kinds of players who share a passion for WvW.

Sadly, some people just recognize your guild tag and ignore the opinion (and appeal) you`re trying to share.

Thanks again, best regards.

Well, since D/P heavily relies on initiative gain (not as bursty as D/D), you should be completely save to setup your fear chain as long as your armor exceeds 2600 . No thief will live through one successful rotation wihtout blowing every cooldown he has.

Their only chance is to disengage, don`t try to get them, you won`t, unless they make mistakes. But I consider a running thief with 5% life desperately trying to save his sorry behind a win.

If bursters are problematic for you, I heavily recommend equipping spectral armor. 30% damage reduction for a while and a full refill of your DS should solve that.

Best regards

How in hell do you think SFR would be evenly matched with Piken and Riverside, Wemil? You were a T2 server before ECL, OSC, KoA and whatever pushed your wvw poplulation by more than 100 dedicated wvw players…

The only servers that fit your coverage at the moment are Vizunah and Elona. Are you guys still living in your “always outmanned” dreamworld? Because I can tell you, the huge melting pot SFR is trumps every other server coverage wise.

You guys refused to play the proper tier, T1, dominate T2 right now, and yet you would instead prefer to dominate T3-T4 servers like Piken and Riverside, for real? I mean, seriously?

Best regards

Compare XRKUN`s posts in this thread to Wemil`s, funny thing is, both are basically stating the same: “I am legend, god of battlefield, yadda yadda!”

The really terrifying part is that while XRKUN is kinda humorous and funny, this Wemil guy seems to be completely serious. Now that`s what I call really concerning…

@ oZii:

I think you`re mixing it up quite a bit. I am aware that we are using hardcounters (somewhat) all the way. I just don`t see the trend of introducing more and more of it as a good thing for the game.

You are basically reiterating what you told the other guy. I get it, you want to bring your message across that we`re using hardcounters (in fact, I did not only mention DS but at least two more) not only since the introduction of DS. I was never questioning that from the beginning?!

“If you want everything to be active all the time you should play a fighting game.”

Where does that come from? I never stated I want everything to be active (well, it wouldn`t be bad for the game, but I didn`t state it in my previous post), my concern is, that the direction of patches is promoting passive play more and more, instead of promoting skillful (active) play…

How about appreciating other`s input, instead of trying to tell them what to play? Go play minecraft, look I can do it, too.

Best regards

I would heavily recommend switching your build and utilities for duo roaming. Since you`re roaming with mesmer (stealth & ports) you will be focused nonstop, therefore I recommend standard Dhuumfire (30-20-0-0-20) with S/D and staff for first steps as it provides brutal damage, suffient toughness and okayish synergies when your mesmer friend is running condition or hybrid build (epidemic).

Additionally you want to have at least one stunbreaker and temporary swiftness to reliably escape overwhelming numbers. Spectral Walk would cover both.

From my experience duo roaming together with mesmer is doable but not the most satisfying combination since he is able to take fights you cannot, due to his multiple escape options. It`s either he can only take half the fights of what he would be able to do without you or you will die half of the fights while he is able to disengage. Another point is, that he is not passively supporting you through boons, which would make life much easier for you.

Best synergies with necro in my opinion are classes that have to stay infight with you until the fight is over, depending on player skill I made the best experience with offensive boon guards (stability, aegis and protection) or melee shout rangers (perma-swiftness, perma-regen and high fury uptime).

Hope it helps, good luck and have fun roaming!

I`m just dropping in to tell you guys how much I`m appreciating the discussion in this thread, it certainly is one of the more intelligent threads in this forum with lots of truth in it.

I`m personally agreeing with almost everything Jscull wrote, except the conclusion of giving enhanced player stats to long time players. As an avid starcraft player for almost a decade now, I just can`t cope with the idea of artificially enhancing one`s chances to win a fight just because he/she played for a longer time. It`s against everything what PvP stands for in my opinion.

Best regards

Yeah, sorry, I`m just a clueless pug and bought my game yesterday…

You could post more videos to make me understand all the subtile, but genius parts that make your play the skillful firework it is.

Hua!

kitten , I just agreed with BlackDevil… Winter is coming?

Funny seeing how Baruch evolved from most zergy server ever to tightly coordinated group of amazing megaskillers, all it needs is a few devoted forum warriors from beloved monotag-zergers to spit their nonsense everywhere…

Press more 1 please!!!

Hua!

@ Rigel:

This must be the only necro build that takes less brain than dumbfire. You`re a big fat piece of meat that does just nothing outside of a blob. Even any friggin decent GvG (which is terribad pvp imo) guild wouldn`t take you with that build. Full PVT + defensive traits, what a joke, if that`s what you need to show off your “skill” and make your playstyle work, good for you.

Kids, this is what zerging does to you, do not copy! Please post more kill count, a great indicator of skill in wvw, really!

Why was it possible with the most zergy servers known in gw2, then? Jade Sea, Elona, Baruch Bay… all of these servers offer a broad range of decent 5-10 mans roaming the maps, sneaking, supporting, flanking, whatever…

To me personally small scale is the only place were individual player skills really shine. I was just expecting so much more of it in this matchup, because I remembered you guys as very fight and skill focused players.

Best regards

You are pretty good at making new friends, Knox, ha? No wonder, you seem to be all sunshine and roses.

All I see is a forum warrior trying to dodge my challenge…

Who is this mysterious Desolation player that knows exactly what gear we are wearing? Must`ve been a [TLA] player, I don`t know them, never see them, but apparently they know everything and give us beatings everyday…

No back up, just words on the forum, you`re a brave and great hero, Deniara!

Hua!

@ Sevenn:

You should learn reading german, today`s contributions to the german version of the matchup thread are quite enjoyable. Definitely worth a read, Zumy did a great job.

Best regards

Oren.1736:

DevonCarver.5370:

Oren.1736:

Devon, will Gold league players receive better achievements points/final rewards over silver/bronze league winners?

The achievements and achievement points will be exactly the same across the leagues and there will be few, if any, rewards that are different across the leagues. The dolyak stomp is the clearest example. The winners of each league will get a finisher specific to that league. From Gold to Bronze. The rest of the rewards will be more about how you performed in your league, than which league you were in.

Moon i believe this answer in spirit represents how Anet planned out this league system, reward loot will be distinct, but probably not much of a deal for this to be a huge issue. You might end up seeing gold players using this cheese strategy or just moving in advanced back and forth to get a bronze finisher.
Take in mind i guess there are certain questions a rep can and cannot answer – such as sometimes the outcomes of schemes as you suggest, or the second half of my question, which apparently anet thinks is an issue is more up to us to deal with, my speculation hough,

Problem is, I was talking about switching to the most probable winner WITHIN your league, Devon was just explaining transleague issues. Furthermore, he stated, the gold league 6th finisher would receive far less rewards, than silver league 2nd. This is making the issue I was talking about far more concerning, because it implicates, that gold league 6th or 8th is far less rewarded than gold league 1st. Thus, incentivizing abuse…

Lets say, I´m on Jade Sea and would probably hover around place 5-8, what is stopping me from transferring to Vizunah for the league`s first week, securing top rewards for a 7 week long league, then tranferring back to Jade Sea and rejoin my normal wvw scene?

Still waiting for reply…

Hey Hebril,

SFR is in no way, shape or form different in matters of zerging than Deso or even Jade Sea. Sorry to break your illusions, but it is pathetic how you continiuosly try to convince yourselve and others it would be any different.

The way you`re presenting yourself (and your server) here is quite immature, I really hope that`s not the general SFR attitude, because from what I was able to observe ingame, there`s absolutely no reason to feel entitled to anything.

I don`t want to belittle anyone (my server is zerging, too), but the constant inappropriate bigmouthing is getting old…

By the way, where`s all the skilled smallscalers I was looking forward to meet in this matchup? I remember having a blast vs JUDGE, JUG and others months ago, but was not able to find a single decent 5-10 man team so far… where are you, guys? Here`s hope it was just bad timing on my side.

Edit: Thanks for the info, Lelith!

Best regards

@ mini:

Perplexity runes on necro totally rock smallscale, it`s another dhuumfire (dps wise) and the passive cc absolutely wrecks combined with torment and terror fear. Try running pain inverter (asura exclusive) + 4 perplexity and using chaos armor combo… It makes 1vs3 or more a joke. When we meet BB again, message me for 1vs1, we can have some live testing, in case you don`t believe me.

Best thing that can happen to me is an opponent using it as well, have fun getting the confusion transfered back with my 2k condi damage… add epidemic to it and you will be smiling all day long.

Best regards

Wow, I am quite shocked about the way people talk to each other in this thread. Finally, after fighting so many weeks in the same tier, there`s a thread to praise each others skills and passion, but instead people just use it to vent their frustation…

I`m a big fan of Wothan from Jade Sea, who is always visiting the matchup threads, even the german ones, to show sportmanship. But it seems the immature youngsters took over since the french holidays began… sadly.

However, big thanks to PHX and SR from Jade Sea for all the action during the past weeks, I always enjoy meeting you guys on the field.

Best Regards

@ Falkynn

Please tell me the borderland you and your guild are playing on. I`d like to see how your forum warrior skills transfer ingame. Would you mind adding your guild tag to the signature as well so we can identify you and your great achievements for Jade Sea?

I love watching smallscale vids, but I stopped watching when I saw your setup @ 1.21… 5 man group running with three guards and two warriors, are you serious? Probably the most braindead & faceroll smallscale comp. one can imagine. Stacking guards is just too cheesy for me…sry.

Who is making the final decisions regarding such changes in the wvw dev team, is it Devon? This is the most ugly, power ranger blue I could imagine, the old colour was fitting the darkish environment perfectly, why would you change it to something like that?

Hey guys,

both Kodash and Abaddon are fighting for every point because the rivalry between the two communities is pretty huge. To be matched with Abaddon (and vice versa) was desired by many over here. Lots of players on both servers did several all nighters to make the difference. Too much zerging, but the atmosphere and overall motivation on Kodash is absolute madness (in an awesome way), guess its the same for Abaddons.

Must look pretty strange for you Auroras, i feel for you. That`s not how it usually is, i really hope you can at least pull a bit of joy, good fights and lots of lootbags out of it. Well, the crazyness will last til reset, wish you best of luck with your next matchup.

Best regards

I have to say, you guys from siN have shown the most honorable behaviour ingame of any guilds I have witnessed so far. Glad, that didn`t change since I met you guys last time. And I am not talking about GvG, just overall very sporty dudes.

Best regards

I came here to vent my frustration, but you guys said it all. Thanks. God, I hate dumbfire so much…

Why do you want to get rewarded for coverage? Do you think someone on Vizunah made a better job for 7 weeks than someone on Augury?

I think I`m just too old to understand the crazy “I deserve being rewarded for what I do for fun!” attitude generation…

SFR threads are disgusting as ever, doesn`t matter if they win or not, it`s either lots of whining or lots of bigmouthing… bad losers and worse winners. I highly prefer Vizunah`s style, they at least are classy about it.

I`m so eagerly awaiting the drama when the league hits and the same people here that are now so full of themselves complain about anyone who`s not in a major guild, about queues, about waiting times … just about everything.

Backflash anyone?

Do we really need new GvG threads every few days were content is nothing but GvGers telling the world how special they are?

You guys must have very few things in live that make you feel important, if you need a new thread every few days with walls of text basically stating all the same. Please, next guy with the brilliant idea to open a thread to “inform” the world how unloved, unwanted and unrecognized you as a GvGer feel , please just dont do it.

It gets old, ladies… are you really that desperate for drama?

I`ve watched that Anet interference GvG vid and the only really sad drama to me is the friggin terribad PvP play I`ve had to watch. I had the feeling these guys had too few computer periphals at hand and one half of the crew was using mice only, while the other one was making first steps at their keyboard while using no mice at all.

Please GvG community, spend less timing whining and arguing, that time would be much better spend by actually learning to play. You know, good players usually don`t have to prove anything or to “inform” their communities that they are any good.

And yeah, call me guildless pug, PvE casual or whatever you want. I guess it`s easier that way for you guys.

@ Helly:

Dude, you disqualified yourself the moment you suggested you “only” need 5 guardians out of a 15 man group as a counter. Wow, … just wow. This is so crazy, I`m almost speechless. A wild guess, the rest of your 15 consists of warriors and necros?

Eight classes ingame, 1/3rd of your group consists of one class just to be able to not be cc´d endlessly? And you think that´s good? That`s the definition of class stacking and hence, totally screwed balance.

I`m laughing so hard right now about your desperate attempt to sound knowledgable, when in fact, you´re one of the deluded abusers not willing to let the easymode go away.

In a balanced game you would see equally successful 15 man groups consisting of engis, thiefs and rangers. Instead every wannabe gvg guild is relying on your formula of 50%-80% guards & warriors and feels like they reinvented the wheel.

Pathetic.

Pretty nice fights today.

I was pleasantly suprised by [VcY], some high level individual players, which is quite rare for bigger scale guilds, in my honest opinion, even in case of the more elite ones.

You also got a S/D thief on board that knows how to play, good show overall. Stylewise I gotta give you some minus points, far too many huge Norns…

Best Regards

Right… same story for every server:" But…but we hate blobbing, we were just forced to by the other evil servers…"

I remember you guys from Blobbers Bay are pretty known for zerging, too. The only thing that changed are 2-3 mercenary guilds switching (back) to your server and suddenly every Barucho seems to think he evolved to a highly coordinated elite server…

Seriously?

Thank you, Liu, for bringing up, what`s bothering me for quite a while. Game went worse since the introduction of sellable siege weapons. Siege wars? Why bothering, just send 4-8 Omegas… There is no defense that can defend versus a sizable force of enemies with 4-8 of these.

In my opinion even Alphas should be last ressort, heavy investment and a rare sight. Instead the far more powerful Omega became the standard way to go. I mean, Anet themselve valued Omegas at 5g + mats + skillpoints each, and now, just buy 5 of them for the same investment without even spending skillpoints…

@ KrisHQ:

You forgot to mention the 3-10 aurora randoms fighting alongside you… you forgot to mention the “nice” chitchat you initiated… you forgot to mention that you always waited for us to engage other groups before trying to snipe us… you forgot to mention that it was you who decided to engage us repeatedly (even after wiping seven times in a row)…

You get what you ask for, dude.

@ [team]:

You guys got balls and fought well, despite being outnumbered – respect!

Best regards