Guild Wars 2

everyone paid the same amount of money for this game so please explain why you think you should be treated special again?

Zehnchu.4985:

Mooodster.3470:

i hate to break this to you but the has always been achievements for wvw they just took a really long time to get so you should never have wanted to play if that’s your excuse

Hey captain obvious, those ones didn’t bring a influx of carrot hunters now did it? Plus it’s not the driving force of why hardcore WvW play. There is a huge difference between “achievements” and “achievement driven” one would think you would know the difference.

When they added dailies and monthlies WvW and PvE, this did not cause an influx of trash everything went on like it has since launch. Then came “achievement driven content”.

this is one of them be careful what you ask for kinda things because if people wouldn’t have whined about those achievements that have always existed being hard to get…anet probably wouldn’t have added easy ones…..but im guessing the people who did the whining probably didn’t think it would bring as many people to wvw as it did….

i hate to break this to you but the has always been achievements for wvw they just took a really long time to get so you should never have wanted to play if that’s your excuse

Ross Biddle.2367:

Rama.6439:

Deli.1302:

Blame all the guilds that transferred to your server over the past couple of weeks, not anet.

why, those guilds didn’t put the pve achievements into wvw, anet did, and anet made transfers cheap and even free for those weeks before season started. So no, I blame Anet.

Deli, you got rolled.

maybe you should blame the ones who whined about not having achievements..anet gave them exactly what they asked for….

o wow here is a suggestion…stop making suggestions….people complained that wvw had the same matches over and over..they fix that and people complain result in lopsided matches…people complain about the wvw achievments…they fix that and people are now complaining about ques

looks like tc’s master plan to get out of this fight between bg and sor worked…

1.you complain that they give zergs a reason to fight other zergs instead of only pvd? you must like pvd….
2.why do you care if people bring the items they payed money for into wvw?
3.glad it cost laurels…its not pay to win if you actually have to play the game to get it….
4.idk how that works but maybe its there to encurage pve to try wvw..or maybe if you dont wvw you dont get it..you dont say if they said you get it without going into wvw….
what else isnt alt friendly..lvling yep lvling..if you only play your main…you alt never gains lvl in pve….gess what…they never gain lvling in wvw aether

if you have to ask yourself why you upgrade things then please please just dont even bother because i dont wanna listen to you cry about how much gold you spent..
why do you think they reward higher teirs more then lower tiers..well there are no tiers only ranks but i dont see it…they reward everyone equally you just dont have as many people to kill because the way i see it if they rewarded lower tiers more then higher tiers people would transfer to lower tiers making them no longer lower tiers and you would loose your precious rewards…btw if your playing wvw for the rewards…your doing it wrong

Blix.8021:

I wonder what anet was high on when they thought they could make this game an esport even a tenth as popular as sc2, lol, or dota 2.

there are many sports not a popular as soccer or football around there world that doesn’t make them any less of a sport…last i checked mlg is sponsoring the next tournament so that says something and if they added a death match type thing i think t/pvp would actually attract more people

kuora.5402:

Israel.7056:

Banzie.5248:

http://imgur.com/a/mhYp4

Heres is the proof asked for before on the Anet dev attempting to stop a GvG. Please discuss Tier 1 and 2 servers

My natural bias against this whole GvG scene makes me kind of laugh but at the same time I also think that this little episode is being blown entirely out of proportion. One guy wastes some people’s time. Big deal, grow up.

By your logic:

1) I run into a EPL game, run around and shoot people with a pistol. One guy, wasting many people’s time. Big deal, grow up.

2) I run into a uni lecture and start to take a large dump and sing Friday. One guy, wasting many people’s time. Big deal, grow up.

3) Hotel, midnight, most people are sleeping. One guy decides to shoot up some fireworks and sound the alarm. One guy, wasting many people’s time. Big deal, grow up.

I wonder who needs to grow up.

except all them are illegal and will get you thrown in jail for breaking laws while there is not 1 rule that say you cant stand in the area behind the windmill so yes growing up would be a good idea…

is there a reason you couldn’t have used the other page for this or are you just trying to stir the drama pot

people cried for months about boring matches fighting the same servers..gess what..you dont fight the same servers and now cry about lopsided matches…my question..wtf did you think was going to happen

my ques will be shorter and it should be more enjoyable with less elitist and more casuals

morrolan.9608:

Mooodster.3470:

just because you dont like the reason does not mean that its not a valid reason…its character progression(notice character not account)…

1. Character progression is invalid in PvP.
2. The way the system has been set up is not even a progression system, it should be more oriented around roles.

if this is pvp why am i using pve gear? why is there pve mods such as champs,skritt and numerous other mods running around..why is there havesting nobs..why is there crafting stations…could it be that it is a mix of pve and pvp?

if there is no progression then you should be fine with not having them on any of your alts…there are roles..there are those that like to master the siege usage..those that like to master the traits capping towers and camps easier and faster…those that like to master building and repairing and im sure anet will continue to add more so that roles will become more defined but just because your not willing to see them doesn’t mean they dont exist

Terok.7315:

The rank is a carrot and it’s per character limitation is an unnecessary burden for those with alts. The reasons given as to why we can’t just make it account bound are dubious at best.

just because you dont like the reason does not mean that its not a valid reason…its character progression(notice character not account)….i swear the next thing you all will be complain about its having to actually lvl your alts to lvl 80 and the funniest part about that is it you can use the exact same reasoning behind it…its not alt friendly that i have to lvl my alts..its not alt friendly that i have to gear my alts bla bla bla….really get over it..its ment to be something to work for on your toons and yes i do have 4 different toons i use for wvw alone so i know how it all works and am happy with it

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

What can we say? It’s all thanks to Anet creating separate NA and EU servers, and then leaving the free transfers open for SO long!

Just wait until the leagues start, on the first day there will be so many people complaining about unbalanced matches that the mods will be throwing out infractions like confetti!

This is just another example of the devs not listening to the community. People suggested leagues last November when we already saw servers being stuck fighting the same servers each week. It’s simply too late now, the image the OP posted shows this.

The only way to balance it out is if Anet offers players big incentives to now move to a lower tier, which isnt going to happen as people will want the reward for coming first and so move to the #1 server.

lol if you have not noticed…people complain about any chance they make…heck they complain when they don’t make changes so im purity sure people are going to complain no matter what happens

Aieo.2815:

Cameron.2315:

morrolan.9608:

Vol.5241:

The new borderlands content and wvw leagues isn’t good enough?

Why? Since ultimately they will be to the detriment of the game.

Guess they haven’t seen all the information going round atm that people are getting banned for spreading

Let’s just say a well known person is unsatisfied with the alpha testing and leaked stuff anet doesn’t want ppl to know yet

lol he sounded alot like one of them crazy conspiracy people to me but i gess some of what he mentioned made sense

Bailey.6892:

Thrumdi.9216:

The problem is that Anet views WXP as a proper character advancement system.

Does any in WvW actually share this view? Most people just see it as some siege-buffing perks.

This is wrong, it assumes they think. They said the same crap about karma and they back peddled on that. If they had done the ranks right they would be account wide, right now it is simply to soon for them to admit they screwed up again.

karma can be used to buy a gear crafting mats and strait up gold threw orrian jewelery boxes…what exactly can you buy with wexp again? they wont do it like karma because it is nothing like karma its more like exp and exp isnt shared between toons so why in the world would you think just because there is a w in front of exp that it would be shared…its ment to be a character progression you know..just like…exp

Stice.5204:

Mooodster.3470:

i also believe that anet designs the maps to be full not around half empty maps so in a situation where all 3 servers have a queue on the map this will bring a new lvl of depth to the fights

If that’s the case then their design is severely flawed. How many servers have a large enough active WvW population to come anywhere near filling all 4 maps? My server is one of the larger ones in North America and we only have entrance queues for a few hours a day during the first three days or so of each matchup.

I’d guess we spend less than 10% of each weekly matchup with our maps filled, so Anet probably shouldn’t be making major design changes based only on that situation.

why design a map around a half full map…really that’s like admitting you don’t expect people to want to play it…

Stice.5204:

It is true they told us we could expect a return of an orb-like mechanic in the future, but that generally seemed to imply it would only return after both major problems of the orb mechanic were solved.

The two major problems with orbs is that they were cheater-bait and that they made it even more difficult for overmatched servers to try and fight back. Replacing the stealable orbs with static capture points in the middle of the map solves the first problem but does not address the second one.

if the overmatched server takes the capture points will that not give them an advantage over the team steamrolling them..granted it is a smaller buff then you get from food so its not a whole lot but it does add more depth to the game and i like to think that if a zerg is focused on getting the buff that will leave something else open for a possible ninja/steal…seems like they put them in the middle to give every server the same chance to get them..i also believe that anet designs the maps to be full not around half empty maps so in a situation where all 3 servers have a queue on the map this will bring a new lvl of depth to the fights

lollasaurus.1457:

After a careful reevaluation of orbs of power we have decided to remove them from WvW in an upcoming build. As implemented, orbs tend to strengthen teams who are already winning and make it even more difficult for underdog teams to fight back.

After a careful reevaluation of orbs of power we have decided to remove them from WvW in an upcoming build. As implemented, orbs tend to strengthen teams who are already winning and make it even more difficult for underdog teams to fight back.

After a careful reevaluation of orbs of power we have decided to remove them from WvW in an upcoming build. As implemented, orbs tend to strengthen teams who are already winning and make it even more difficult for underdog teams to fight back.

In addition, the current implementation seems to be irresistible to hackers/cheaters and will require significant modification to prevent cheaters from having an unfortunately large impact on the state of any given WvW game. Under the circumstances we believe that removing orbs completely is a better choice than attempting an in-place redesign/re-implementation as it will immediately put a stop to all orb hacking. It is likely that orbs, or some orb-like mechanic, will return at some point in the future, but only after we are confident that they will not exhibit the sorts of issues that we see with orbs today.

figured i should post the rest of what he said…to be more specific —> It is likely that orbs, or some orb-like mechanic, will return at some point in the future<--that part of the paragraph….

edited cause i just couldn’t leave the post of that copied 3 times up…1 time is more then enough to prove that there is more to what he said then the 1st sentence

MarMaster.6241:

It it a question of making matches constantly more imbalanced.
Rewarding coverage with more even more power; this taking away of fun or competition is never a good idea.
Leagues in the real world try to promote balance (the teams of course are constantly trying to get around the concept).

Devon has said that wvw is not supposed to be balanced so why do you think they want it to be balanced?

yes i want it but on another note this is nonsense sense 29 people should not be able to speak for the games other 1000+ players who wont come to the forums for whatever reason

ketorin.5923:

crazy fight in EB TC keep a few min ago

you guys kept swarming in after we would clear you out, i think you caught the waypoint 4 times?

surprised we pulled that off

any idea how many you guys had? looked like tons

from someone who dc early in that fight we didnt even have a map que till you guys used rams the 2nd time around was fun fight tho

well now i gess people can stop making threads about this and thank you for the answer …ohh how i miss the days when people enjoyed games simply for what they are

well have you read some of the gvgers posts? calling people noobs scrubs and numerous other names generally doesnt make whoever your talking about the happiest person in the world….spamming wvw streams with gvg so people with honest question actually related to wvw cant ask them doesn’t help…

i know its not just the gvgers and the non gvgers say plenty of things themselves so hopefully that answers your question

ps i do hope that the gvgers get there own arena just so that the community can stop being divided over some issues (blood lust anyone)

they might be doing it so that adding in new abilities or changing the maps doesn’t change the outcome of a match….

StealthSnake.9134:

We will be waiting for you in SM again~

wont be very effective if we just dont go upstairs…but i do believe that would have been a good time for some omegas…i will say it was a cleaver tactic as boring as it was for anyone not willing to partake in ur farm

congrats mags your the only server that has ever put me to sleep while having a bunch of people inside smc

fa that was one of the funnest fights over smc iv ever had the pleasure to be part of..thanks for that made my night

CptWheezy.6439:

Mooodster.3470:

complaining about zergs in a game mode designed for zerg fights is about as funny as someone complaining about pizza while at pizza hut. i offer you all some cheese to enjoy with your wine hopefully you enjoy it.

I’m not complaining about zergs really. What I’m saying is that you and your server mates suffer from a complete lack of skill. You must, or you wouldn’t go running into your safe mega-blob after a few evenly matched engagements. How often does that happen? Often.

I get it though – so I’m not mad at ya or anything. If I kept getting my hind quarters handed to me over and over, I’d probably run into the safety of spawn or a blob of friendly faces too. So I don’t blame you at all. I guess it just 50/50 on how you react after getting rolled, fight or flight, and man can you guys fly.

:-)

lol you sound a lot like every server who looses..accuse server who wins of mega blobbing and having no skill..really think of something original cause im sure i can find that exact thing on about every sor/bg/jq match there has ever been

John Widdin.9618:

Mooodster.3470:

complaining about zergs in a game mode designed for zerg fights is about as funny as someone complaining about pizza while at pizza hut. i offer you all some cheese to enjoy with your wine hopefully you enjoy it.

I go to Pizza hut for the Pie. Just because there’s Pizza there, doesn’t mean I have to like it. The whole place may be designed as a Pizza factory, but It’s not the only thing they offer. In my opinion the Pie is far better than the pizza, and thus more enjoyable to eat than said pizza.

Hope you can follow along.

judging by your response im guessing it is you that didn’t fallow very well…so ill put it real short and sweet so you cant over think it..don’t complain to complain..no one likes a whiner

complaining about zergs in a game mode designed for zerg fights is about as funny as someone complaining about pizza while at pizza hut. i offer you all some cheese to enjoy with your wine hopefully you enjoy it.

i think i get what he is trying to say…so ill use a bug people dont like…gliching threw tower walls…its a bug..it hasnt been fix…so say everyone starts doing that today are you going to be fine with that also..after all everyone can do it so why fix it?

DevonCarver.5370:

style.6173:

DevonCarver.5370:

We are aware of this, but it is a non-trivial fix. We are hoping to make changes to this by the end of the year.

Not really something to fix. Of all the things that could be implemented in WvW, this is the low to no priority category.

When I said we, I meant ArenaNet in general, I will not have anything to do with the change other than to make sure it plays well with WvW.

just thought i would quote this sense some of you must not have read it the 1st time

i have to ask what exactly you call the game with the poor quaggan you all kept smacking around trying to get it between the banners….looked kinda fun but never seen or herd anyone else mention anything like it really

makes perfectly good sense to have them removed once there in your inventory..after all…for all anyone else knows that’s in ur bank or just a random drop you picked up in your bag

as far as ele goes…the reason you got 1 wep set is because you have 4 attunements….with 5 skills each..so 20 skills there..what other class has 20 skills even with there 2 wep sets they can swap between…you get 10 more skills at the loss of 1 more wep to use…still would have to give other classes 2 more wep slots to even be on par with the number of skills they have

Jscull.2514:

Mooodster.3470:

Jscull.2514:

Moody blues,
Reread most of my posts. I said 90% in just about every single one of my posts. We consider ourself to be in the .01% of the games population.

That being said, yea it’s frustrating this game caters to people who want to reinact lord of the rings and think they are general patton.

Sorry I’m not here to role play. If I’m gonna spend a couple hours a night not doing RL, I’m gonna kick some kitten in what I am doing. Sitting on trebs, fighting those tough keep doors, and running around with 40 people isn’t exactly kickin kitten and is certainly nothing to brag about.

and beating people who do not normally pvp is something to brag about?

No. In fact, to reiterate a bunch of other posts I’ve already written, there is zero competition in this game, that is why we left. Because this game let’s bad players win fights in any other game they wouldn’t have last 5 seconds. E z m o d e.

have you looked into the gvg scene at all? sounds like the place you might fit in sense you dont seem to want to move on or just like trying to bash anyone who isnt like you ether way it might give you the competition your looking for without all the siege and other stuff in wvw you dont seem to like

Jscull.2514:

Moody blues,
Reread most of my posts. I said 90% in just about every single one of my posts. We consider ourself to be in the .01% of the games population.

That being said, yea it’s frustrating this game caters to people who want to reinact lord of the rings and think they are general patton.

Sorry I’m not here to role play. If I’m gonna spend a couple hours a night not doing RL, I’m gonna kick some kitten in what I am doing. Sitting on trebs, fighting those tough keep doors, and running around with 40 people isn’t exactly kickin kitten and is certainly nothing to brag about.

and beating people who do not normally pvp is something to brag about?

kinda like the ideas of the 5 capture points myself….maybe give the small man teams something else to do sense i dont think you would be able to be at all 5 capture points. all 3 castles and all the towers at the same time with a zerg so it would mean split the zerg up or you would loose some of those objectives…..small man teams and solo roams should be a lil happy about this i would think

listen jscull…you want ppl to take you serious in ur im a pvper…maybe you should do it in an area designed for people who normally pvp….not in an area designed for people who do not normally pvp that has lots of pve type objectives….

i and im sure others came to wvw…and get this…because it was said to have siege and huge castle like objectives to capture using the siege….i kinda had a picture of fighting in front of a castle with trebs firing over my head and rams pounding on doors kinda like some of the scenes in the lotr movies….i dont feel let down at all because all of that happens in the game although i will admit i did have to look around to find where ac’s fit into the game/siege warfare but it turns out the Koreans had something similar to that called the hwacha….so while you and others who came here strictly expecting open world pvp might be upset please dont act like you speak for each and every person playing this game

Johje Holan.4607:

Jscull.2514:

Love Devon, I respond to your response and you infract it. Classic.

PAXA is gone. Not sure about RG don’t know them. We couldn’t spend one more frustrating second in this game headed south. To answer your question, well probably try ESO, but the main event is dark age 2. Thank god mark Jacobs has been thru the ringer and back.

Devon, someone should ask you what your business plan via your job of “updating wvw as LEAD designer” is for when other games come out and gw2 blows up. Answer that question with some straight to the point facts brother.

Yeah sounds like this game is not for you. Nowhere in the lead up to WvW did they say it was all about hard core PvP. In fact, I remember it was advertised to be designed for a wide audience and that people who normallly woudn’t play PvP would enjoy it and would be about large scale battles involving sieging structures.

i too remember that…i also remember looking at the description of wvw and seeing this same thing….some people i guess cant read thing for what they say but instead get it twisted in there mind into what they want it to say…

non hardcore pvp area designed for people who don’t normally pvp is not fulfilling enough for hardcore pvp types…in my wildest dreams i would have never seen that coming /sarcasm

Mister Mustard.7203:

hobbes.6178:

I am eating Cinnamon Toast Crunch for the first time in years…forgot how good this cereal was.

The milk is the best part.

there is also a drink with a very similar flavor to the milk…i forget the name atm but reading this made me want one
edited cause i remembered…its called rumchata

thank you and thanks for the reply now hopefully people actually read the part where devon said char progression and understand that it is meant to be something to work for after lvl 80…i have 14 toons and after i get them all to 80 im glad ill still be able to have something to work for on them…for everyone saying its a punishment do you also feel your punished when you start a new toon and have to lvl it to lvl 80 again?
edited cause of the funky filter

i personally do not agree with the op….i like them being char bound because for one it give me something to look forward to after lvl 80….i have to say if you think they add that much to a toon then you really need to stop and ask yourself how you even managed to play before these…i mean really reading this forum i can almost here some of you saying…well i lvled one toon to 80 so all my toons should be 80 next…
i have 14 toons and while i do have one that i main i do not feel any less useful on any of my alts then i do my main expect for maybe the fact that iv put in more hours my main and because of that play it better then my alts…. that is about the only reason anyone should less useful as the skills you get from there are not that important

Master of Timespace.2548:

How do I report people framing cof p1 tokens?

dont forget the gold

no no please leave spvp where it belongs…in spvp because as stated already alot of wvw people could care less for spvp

as far as grind for your gear goes…why not just use boh?you do know you can get lvl 80 gear and wep with boh right? sense your such a dedicated wvw player who could care less about looks then that gear should work just fine for you and sense you get boh doing your usual wvw stuff that shouldn’t feel like a grind..problem solved

zastari.1730:

MomentofWeakness.1246:

kfarb.6732:

SquirtyMagoo.8321:

Plok.6145:

CHIPS.6018:

zastari.1730:

CHIPS.6018:

If this week’s match up was DB-Mag-SOS, you guys will face the EXACT same problem. DB will just roll over all of you. So what’s the difference? What’s your next plan? Disperse DB also?

Same thing with any of JQ, BG, SOR or FA facing Mag and SOS. The exact same thing will happen. So what are you going to do disperse them all?

Give me a break please.

As far as low population servers are concern, none of the top 6 servers is any different. They will roll over you, period.

I do feel sorry for you guys. But it is all Anet’s fault. Instead of disperse the bigger server to fit your needs, why don’t you transfer yourself to a lower tier server so you can enjoy yourself there?

Oh look someone that bandwagoned from SBI to Kaineng and then Kaineng to TC. Please tell me more!

Plenty of bandwagoner everywhere, including Maguuma. You guys just got a new bandwagon guild GOAT last week, remember?

You guys should kick GOAT out if you hate bandwagoners.

Bandwagon? We moved up like 5 spots tops. You mean like Rethesis who moved to TC. Dont mention a group of players who does small group things on a map when all I have seen from TC is the ENTIRE que for the map in one place at one time. You don’t know me, my guild or what we walked away from on BP.

hahahahahaha this post.

“Please don’t assume anything about GOAT, you don’t know what we went through … [Insert Guild Here] on the other hand are a gutless bandwagon guild”

…

It seems you will fit in well on Maguuma. Enjoy your stay

Rethesis makes their movements very public. They had a huge thread basically asking to be recruited, and when that failed, they went to TC. This was after following WM to SOS or Kaineng (can’t remember which at this point).

Comparing that to a guild who has apparently been on one server until very recently would be very strange.

The thread did not fail, we did everything we planned and Tarnished Coast was the most attractive.. end of story, Jade Quarry a close second.

bad zerg guild joins bad zerg server. match made in heaven.

that must be the reason you would bunker in a towers when [RE] was on kain but its ok i learned somethings in those matches and i will list them….
1… mag is always outnumbered..no madder what….
2… mags never uses ac’s and always open field fights….
3… mags is the best server to ever exist…..
4….posting in the forms is almost pointless when they are in the match because no madder what you do they do it better….

anet makes a living story achievement a wvw player might actually get…and most of pve looses there minds…

i know hard to imagine that anet might actually give something to wvw players but wow thanks now i might actually try and get something other then the fireworks one(got it because wvw shut down and i ran threw la at the right time i gess)

aathomas.4638:

Zosk.5609:

Punishing risk taking just means people take less risks, FYI, and in the current state of the game that means even more people sitting at structures firing siege over and over and only leaving when there IS a zerg to back them up and rez them. Don’t understand why this is such a complicated concept…the less you punish risk the more people are willing to have fun and run around solo or in small groups or hit keeps they might not be able to take….

I am confused. “Even more people sitting at structures firing siege over and over and only leaving when there IS a zerg to back them up and rez them” is exactly what already happens, except now there is time for them to wait for the zerg to get there. Removing the speed will force the people in the tower to come out to fight to save it since there is more likely of a chance a single zerg wouldn’t be able to get there in time if you remove the out-of-combat speed.

This doesn’t create risk for the small group, it adds a lot less risk for them as mentioned in my statements above, but instead adds risk for a server to form a single blob as opposed to multiple groups.

If you would like to share your thoughts on why this would create risk for a small group I would be happy to hear them, but right now it just seems your immediate unwarranted hostility to the thread lead you to create an ill-thought out response lacking any concerns to back up why this would create risk for the small group.

because everyone will move slower including the roamers/havoc groups…because it is possible for a zerg to stack swiftness more then a roaming group due to static fields and blast finishers…guard/ele combo…because cause if i cant catch the zerg im more likey to bunker in a tower with ac and wait for zerg to come by then try and run across the map dodging theifs and roamers…because when im in the tower with the acs and a havoc/small group comes along 1 ac will normally take care of them….let alone 2-3 firing because other people are there waiting for the zerg too…..

last but not least please read the description of wvw…it says massive scale combat or zerg vs zerg..what part of massive scale combat makes you think 5v5 or 1v1…5v5 and 1v1 sounds like really small scale combat to me….

if you do that make it so thief’s are visible the entire time they are downed and guardians cant push people off them..oya necro no life steal while downed…..wait every class can do special things hmmm weird its almost like they can use skills they can while fighting but downed