Guild Wars 2

Ive been experiencing the same issue the past week or so. Really annoying when doing VW and the map fills up instantly.

Multiple topics already open in regards to this.

Update didn’t fix the note yet.

:( Was working on VW too…

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Name it Motoko if you don’t have that name already. I bet that’s ok.

I have the names Motoko, M O T O K O, Motoko Kai, Gladiator Motoko, Motoko Complex, M O T O, Motoko Chroma, and Moto.

Honestly I am tempted to keep the name and just never play my necro again since I don’t touch her at all lol.

I may check the support venue to see what comes of that though.

Hi! I have had this game since the pre-release and have had all of my characters since that same day. I logged on today and decided to go through characters I never touch. Everything was fine until I reached my necro. I then came across this:

http://i58.tinypic.com/2cdki1c.jpg

Can I get an official response on this?

ArenaNet failed from the start. They had every player involved in PvP that they could possibly want at the beginning. Their failure to promote effectively with every social media tool at their disposal has essentially cost the lively hood of GW2.

It isn’t a good sign when the competitive PvP scene of GW2 after 2 years looks as active as the PvP scene of GW1 after 10 years.

See GW1 PvP. See GW2 PvP. Die a little bit on the inside. Uninstall GW2. Return to GW1 PvP.

Ta’da!

Hi!

I am hoping to get this message out with the intent that it will reach the attention of the Guild Wars/Anet staff.

I play Guild Wars 1 and very seldom visit Guild Wars 2 (Unfortunately).
There have been a recent string of “DDoS” attacks on the servers themselves. To provide more detail – There is a player that I feel is behind these attacks. He claims that he can have the servers hit any time he wants via a contact he has. Normally I would ignore these claims and just consider it a troll – However, shortly after he makes these claims the servers do lag out many players and end up in disconnections.

I have the player’s in game name which should be able to provide Anet with a list of IPs he is associated with for verification and contact. Would these DDoS attacks also be traceable by Anet via network histories as well?

I really do not know where else to go with this message, but I feel that it is a serious enough offense that calls for an investigation/addressing the issue.

*Note – I am not the one being ddos’d as I have made sure that my ip has remained untraceable to the accused. Including deactivating my skype and changing my ip address and avoiding any other ip detection methods. So please do not think it is on my end.

Any advice would be appreciated!

BrunoBRS.5178:

Motoko.2875:

My questions apply to all:

Do you really consider yourself “All Stars” even though all of the good players have already left the game over a year ago?

Why do you keep wasting time in this PvP wasteland while ANET has proven over and over that they do not care how badly they destroyed GW PvP?

How many people do you think are actually paying attention to these questions, let alone this article?

i have a few questions for you:

why are you asking these questions? do you honestly think blu would pick them to ask on an interview? do you think pointless aggression and dissing will solve anything? did it at least make you feel better?

I seem to have struck a nerve.

Does the truth within my questions upset you?

It should. It should upset ANET too.

Vayne.8563:

I can’t say why that is, but we can theorize that in Guild Wars 1, though there was a hard core population of people into it, most players weren’t. They didn’t want to spend resources designing something up front that most people wouldn’t use, even though some were passionate about it. As I said, that’s just a guess though.

Wow. There is so much information in this post I don’t even think it can be considered a post.

Guild Wars 1 was built to be a GvG game. Play the PvE portion. It literally prepares you for the different concepts you would encounter in PvP/GvG. Why do you think they had 2 world championships with an audience and prize pool far bigger than GW2 has seen to this date?

GW1 GvG had more participation than GW2 sPvP has seen to date.

Anet saw value in profiting in PvE. Look at all the gem store items etc etc. That is why they did not focus on GW2 PvP. Profit. Profit profit profit.

If you want to get an understanding of what killed GW1 GvG… Head over to this thread and try to ignore some of the kitten talking. http://teamquitter.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35182

Anet killed GvG. There were several factors that did GvG in, and those are listed in the thread, but the fact is, Anet screwed up. And they haven’t looked back.

They screwed over their original player base. Don’t be naive thinking they wouldn’t dare do the same to you.

My questions apply to all:

Do you really consider yourself “All Stars” even though all of the good players have already left the game over a year ago?

Why do you keep wasting time in this PvP wasteland while ANET has proven over and over that they do not care how badly they destroyed GW PvP?

How many people do you think are actually paying attention to these questions, let alone this article?

silvermember.8941:

ghaleon.2861:

Darnis.4056:

I think a lot of people still suffer from the delusion that gw1 was esports.
Gw1 was esports like Jai alai is a mainstream sport.

Truth is there’s more nostalgia then merit, but most people who played gw1 will always say it’s pvp system was better.

Gw1 PvP was superior in everyway. I don’t know if you ever played Gw1, but as an x GW1 top player I can tell you that Gw1 was the best PvP I’ve ever experienced in an MMO. I still know a lot of people that still play Gw1 just because of the PvP. I don’t think you ever played Gw1, because you wouldn’t be saying that.

i feel like everyone that like guild wars 1 PvP was someone a top player on this forum. And supposedly being a top player in a previous game is suppose to give some credence to their statement, which ultimately doesn’t.

It gives more credit to someone who has played at a high caliber and who obviously would have given GW2 an equal shot as GW1 more credit than persay a random PvEr that has no clue about GW1 high-end mechanics/play but all of a sudden says GW2 is the best thing ever.

Corian.4068:

Errant Venture.9371:

Well HOT kitten , maybe they’re listening after all?

You really think so little of them that they’d just outright ignore something like guild halls and GvG? Don’t be insulting.

Yes. We all really do think that little of them. They ignored the constant influx of input from seasoned GW1 players in regards to PvP.

They ignored us and look at the result.

Don’t be insulting? Calling this game Guild Wars 2 was an insult to every fan of the original.

Lachanche.6859:

fugazi.5139:

Zinwrath.2049:

Motoko.2875:

What? WoW PvP never came close to the popularity that GW PvP reached. GW1 PvP was easily one if the first if not the pioneer in eSport gaming. (ignore FPS for a second).

Uhm….you should google starcraft…….

You can not compare Gw1 PvP with Starcraft. LOL

l2read, no one compared their pvp, the comparison was about popularity of pvp games.

No. No it wasn’t. Not at all.

Xcom.1926:

Motoko.2875:

What? WoW PvP never came close to the popularity that GW PvP reached. GW1 PvP was easily one if the first if not the pioneer in eSport gaming. (ignore FPS for a second).

At its peak in viewership, around 2009. WoW arenas used to get 80K+ concurrent viewers at MLG events. I don’t think GW1 was ever at MLG or came close to those type of numbers. Not because the game was bad or anything, but because WoW was way more popular.

Motoko.2875:

Zinwrath.2049:

Motoko.2875:

What? WoW PvP never came close to the popularity that GW PvP reached. GW1 PvP was easily one if the first if not the pioneer in eSport gaming. (ignore FPS for a second).

Uhm….you should google starcraft…….

SC isn’t a MOBA.

When comparing, please stay in the same genre. It helps your argument make more sense.

What does MOBA have to do with anything? You said GW1 was “the first if not the pioneer” of eSports (save FPS). And the other guy said it was probably Starcraft. Which is true.

Why do you think I mentioned to exclude FPS? Because GW1 is not a FPS. Sue me for forgetting to mention RTS games on that list as well. GW1 was the pioneer for MOBAs in eSPorts.

Better? Now you can go back to losing the argument.

It is annoying how people will try to critique anything in a post just to feel like they are contributing once they’ve lost the argument.

Zinwrath.2049:

Motoko.2875:

What? WoW PvP never came close to the popularity that GW PvP reached. GW1 PvP was easily one if the first if not the pioneer in eSport gaming. (ignore FPS for a second).

Uhm….you should google starcraft…….

SC isn’t a MOBA.

When comparing, please stay in the same genre. It helps your argument make more sense.

Follidus.8027:

So if the meta turns around will all you gw1 people actually play the game instead of just saying how you would steamroll everyone if you played?

Because we’ll need some competition if the game gets better.

It isn’t a meta issue, it is a game core issue.

Xom.9264:

GW1 folks…. lol, plenty of threads to state your opinion this is not one of them, it would be like me jumping in a tread about WM GW1 wins saying WoW deadly glads >>>>> GW1 gold trim, yes we know its true but it would still be rude.

This is about a team that reached the top of GW2, grats on the win and well done DE.

What? WoW PvP never came close to the popularity that GW PvP reached. GW1 PvP was easily one if the first if not the pioneer in eSport gaming. (ignore FPS for a second).

tichorum.2415:

I’d consider MLG big.

Anyhow, congrats to Denial.

Third party big? Yes.

The tournament itself? lol no.

tichorum.2415:

The fact that there are big tournaments in Guild Wars 2 PvP that are happening and that the competitive teams enjoy the playing the game competitively make every post anyone has ever made about this game being easy, not fun, or another QQ post because someone hasn’t figured out how to kill a S/D thief yet, invalid.

I agree with you that “not much” competition exists, but competition is still there. There are more than 8 good teams. I’d been in the loop with MLG since the invites were first sent out and they went through MULTIPLE teams that couldn’t make the designated time for the tournament (EU and NA teams).

There is a bright future for PvP, I can assure you that. I’d be willing to bet that there is A LOT of BIG PvP stuff coming within the next couple of months. Anyone willing to bet against me please seek me in-game and we’ll make a bet for like several million gold that I don’t have because I know I’ll win the bet. <3

These tournaments aren’t big. I am sure MLG is doing a test audience to see if GW2 is worth time on their end. Guild Wars World Championship was big. Guild Wars Factions Championship was big. Hell even the online based Celestial tournament was big.

8 good teams on a game that is 1 year old as opposed to the 8 year old game of Guild Wars 1 that has more than 8 good* teams.

I am hoping for the success of GW2 as much as any other diehard GW1 fan is, but I am a skeptikittenil I see a PvP format worth competing in.

tichorum.2415:

Motoko.2875:

tichorum.2415:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

to get into the top16 it just requires to play the game. I doubt there are more than 16 srs guilds left in this game.

Any team can play in PvP. Though the people that say stuff like you just said and say the PvP is easy typically get stomped by the better teams.

No. Not at all.

Although people that are clueless say what you just said.

I can assure you I’m not clueless. I did, in fact, partake in the MLG tournament. I’m just putting a spotlight on the ignorance that occurs within threads like such (not necessarily saying you).. “PvP is easy”.. “Get in the top 16 teams to be competitive” – Sure people can say that all they want, but I’m yet to see a player who says that and is actually on a good well-known team.

The problem is a lot of people that share your belief are people that are successful in a game where not much competition exists. The argument “oh there were qualifications to get into the MLG must mean there is competition” does you or anyone holding that belief no good. The point we try to make is that despite your success making that 8 team cut for the MLG – It was against players who are left after almost every serious competitor left to go to a PvP game that takes PvP seriously.

You might say people can say that, but I do know people who have been highly successful or skilled in other competitive MOBAs certainly wouldn’t have a problem given commitment to this game in excelling at it.

Every comparison Decryptor makes is in regards to the competitive scene of GW1. When he says “get to the top 16”, he meant the top 16 teams of 8 players in tournament cuts for Guild Wars 1 PvP when there were easily more than 1000 teams of 8 competing.

Hopefully that helps you understand where we are coming from.

tichorum.2415:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

to get into the top16 it just requires to play the game. I doubt there are more than 16 srs guilds left in this game.

Any team can play in PvP. Though the people that say stuff like you just said and say the PvP is easy typically get stomped by the better teams.

No. Not at all.

Although people that are clueless say what you just said.

FoopOplo.7914:

I’m rather impressed at how, just by reading my posts regarding GW2 PvP, you managed to somehow discover that I don’t go to school, don’t have a job, and have an apparent love for Super Adventure Box. Most impressive.

Let’s try sticking to the original post please. We’re getting farther and farther from the topic here.

I made no reference to your life whatsoever. And it was a reference to sPvP, not SAB.

I feel like I am going way over your head now because you are misunderstanding every post I make.

I suppose we should stick to something basic like the original post, I would hate to keep confusing you today.

FoopOplo.7914:

Motoko, I was actually responding to Decrypter’s first post, which was about GvG in guild wars 2. He must have posted again as I was typing my response. I appreciate your concern though.

Its okay pal Just try and pay attention when you respond

FoopOplo.7914:

You’ll be busy “doing things with your life”. Does that involve going onto other games’ forums and posting about how much you hate those games too?

I’m not personally a fan of say… League of Legends. Perhaps I’ll go make an account to post how stupid I think the game is on their forums. Seems like a good use of my time.

I already said don’t make a response in regards to it. Just because I take a few minutes out of my day on a break from working full time and going to school gives you no room to talk.

Simple instructions must be hard.

Stick to standing on geometric shapes for pixelated points.

FoopOplo.7914:

No offense taken. I’ve heard of War Machine. Much more into the WvW scene if I recall correctly.

I’ve got nothing against WvW or even some GvG matches in the borderlands. However, there is a great deal of skill involved in sPvP, and in my personal opinion I’d say a bit more. 1 person in sPvP will make or break a fight. You can be carried through GvG fights much easier.

To each their own though. I suppose if sPvP isn’t your style, perhaps you shouldn’t have clicked “pvp” when you get onto the forums.

Once again, congrats to Denial!

He was referrencing GW1 GvG.

My god. Why why why…

FoopOplo.7914:

You’ll have to forgive me for not memorizing everything every member has posted on the gw2 forums for the past 12 months. I suppose my memory isn’t as good as yours. Either way, the suggestions are not for me, I’m not the one making the game.

I guess the way I see it, if you aren’t posting a helpful suggestion like you said you’ve done previously, then why bother posting anything? If you don’t like Guild Wars, then best of luck in your next game! I’ll be in Team Arena with my guild anxiously awaiting whatever changes ANet has in store for us.

Then stop asking for the suggestions. They aren’t for you and the people they are for aren’t doing anything with them. 12 months should have taught you that by now.

I do like Guild Wars. I don’t like its successor. They tried to fix what wasn’t broken.

Have fun waiting for disappointment. I’m busy doing things with my life.*

*Don’t even think about posting something in regards to my life and coming here to argue with you.

FoopOplo.7914:

Oh I have been. My question is that if you’re willing to take the time and effort to sit here and argue with me, why not use that same amount of time to type something constructive?

Perhaps you can start with the question I’ve been asking over and over that you refuse to answer. How do you think they should change pvp to make it more fun?

Perhaps if you really have been sitting here paying attention the past 12 months you can simply recall what I have already posted numerous times.

Maybe if your memory is not serving you correctly you can utilize the search function.

Just make sure you shift through the posts where I am having to respond to people like you.

The situation isn’t I refuse to answer. I already have. The situation is I refuse to repeat myself.

FoopOplo.7914:

Motoko.2875:

There would be no point in posting constructive feedback on this game at this point.

And that right there is exactly why PvP is the way it is.

No. The PvP is the way it is because the people in charge of the PvP have made it so.

Why should we continue to repeat and echo those before us a hundredth time in this thread?

Please tell me the point in wasting my time and breath in doing so. Your responses are telling me you haven’t been paying attention the past 12 months.

Your thread title has a typo.

Let me help:

GW2: Not MLG worthy

Fixed

FoopOplo.7914:

Julius, your comment was actually more helpful to the game than a lot of comments made here.

Empathetic, if you’re still willing to post, I’d encourage you to post ideas here on how to make it more fun. If all you’ve done the last 11 months is post about how you’ve “lost hope for this game” then maybe your posts weren’t as constructive as you seem to think.

There have been plenty of constructive posts and threads for that matter. I am sure Empathetic has had plenty of his own quality ideas.

There would be no point in posting constructive feedback on this game at this point. PvP has been in beta for 18 months and posting here won’t change any of that.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

FoopOplo.7914:

Empathetic, you’d be more than welcome to offer any serious suggestions too.

I made suggestions for 11 months. I’ve lost hope for this game. I experienced competitive play long enough and sooner or later it just feels unrewarding, boring and cheesy. We can just wait what the devs will do . . .

This.

Although you waiting is more than I care to do with this game anymore, lol.

FoopOplo.7914:

I actually agree with the op. If you think sPvP is easy, I guarantee you either don’t play it competitively, are a low level, or are hardly even on the leaderboard.

If sPvP is so easy, why haven’t you won $10,000 yet?

You forgot to add *sPvP is boring and sad compared to other options available on the gaming market.

Because the game is boring. Many people would rather work a regular job and earn $10,000 rather than suffer playing the PvP GW2 has to offer.

SteepledHat.1345:

How many views did you all get?

Nothing compared to GW1 GWWC+GWFC.

GW2 PvP too *boring for MMORPG folks

Fixed.

The mass exodus of the high-end competition wasn’t because the game was “too hard”.

It was because the PvP was stale, lame, and a huge step backwords from its predecessor.

Calling GW2 PvP an eSport is like calling Kim Kardashian a celebrity. Its just sad.

Waar Kijk Je Naar.8713:

3) Tons of people still play, even after almost a year, because the game (despite its shortcomings) is actually pretty good and enjoyable.

It is a good and enjoyable game for primarily people who aren’t part of the original GW1 fanbase. (that is a red flag)

lordkrall.7241:

Motoko.2875:

2) I know a good majority of people who are making those “busy servers” busy merely because there is nothing better out and they are waiting for that next game.

I never quite understand comments like these.
Do people really HAVE to keep playing because there is nothing else out there? Isn’t that quite silly?
If I start playing a game and find that I don’t like it, I won’t force myself to play it until the next game comes out, I’ll simply uninstall the game and do something else.

It is silly, but people do it.

Guild Wars 2 goes on the same list of misinformation and misrepresentation in false advertising the same way that Diablo III duped its fan based.

“We took everything you love about Guild Wars 1 and brought it to Guild Wars 2”

LOL

And that is why your PvP is more dead in a 1 year old game than a game that is 8 years old.

nexxe.7081:

arjeidi.2690:

hype sells, content doesn’t. Their marketing division is way better than their developing one.

Servers are still busy with people. That means content does sell, or else they would be merging or closed down.

1) Tons of people who helped create those “fast selling” numbers have quit due to the severe disappointment of GW2.

2) I know a good majority of people who are making those “busy servers” busy merely because there is nothing better out and they are waiting for that next game.

Essentially GW2 has not been compelling enough to be a game that will stick and will be forgotten when that next game comes out.

problematic.9623:

Arya, Achilles, stop please. Everyone else should stop engaging with them. Waste of time. Both of you learned how to criticize. Congrats. Your opinion is there for everyone to see, now leave the thread. This space is being used for a community that you did not join. Show some respect.

I don’t want to read your bullkitten. I want to see GvG content.

This post has so many hypocritical comments its laughable.

Their opinion is valid just as much as yours if not even more so. This is a Guild Wars 2 community, they both have accounts, they must have joined the community at some point. (Don’t try and use the “I meant our specific fantasy bad ‘GvG’ community” as a defense – Why? What was it you said… Oh right. “Show some respect.” Two way street pal. Excluding people isn’t exactly respectful either.)

“I don’t want to read your bullkitten” – See respect comment.

What you are doing is not “GvG”. It is organized WvW at best. Don’t be disheartened when that gets pointed out to you.

(Guild versus Guild, also known as GvG or Guild Battle, is a strategic form of PvP which matches two teams of eight players from different guilds against each other in the Guild Halls.)

“I want to see GvG.”

Enjoy it. The above video is what this community wants and what ANet has failed to figure out that they need to bring back.

Brave Sir Robin.3410:

Thanks to all who replied and thanks lettucemode for keeping this on topic. Have to agree with most of these (likes), esp combat system – to me it has a more action/reaction feel to it.

Something I’m having a hard time understanding is all the GW1 vs GW2 comments (not specific to this thread). We’re in a GW2 forum and GW1 pvp is still active (unless I’m missing something?), so I assume there’s a good reason for the GW1 fans to comment here. Maybe to expand on this thread a bit: is there anything from GW2 pvp that you wish you could bring into GW1?

For the record, I know nothing about GW1 pvp – just curious…

The background to all of the GW1 vs GW2 comments stems from GW1 being the foundation upon what GW2 was supposed to be built on. The foundation that we were told would exist in GW2. The manifesto of “everything you love about GW1 is in GW2”.

GW1 PvP was successful and was one of the first esports of the mmorpg rts type, if not the first. The reason it fell out of popularity came down to balance issues and adding too many skills to the game. GW1 PvP was wildly popular and addictive. (it still is to a lot of people) But the game is old now.

GW1 PvP expected GW2 PvP to take everything good and amazing from GW1 PvP and improve upon it. (Why fix what isn’t broken?) But instead, GW2 is nothing like GW1 with merely names and the story being the only similarities. GW2 behaves more like a FPS than the game GW1 is.

ANet could have built upon and added to the massive fanbase that already existed. Sponsored teams lined up ready to be the best because they saw the history of success of GW1 PvP. Where are those teams now?

Anything that we could take from GW2 PvP and add it to GW1 PvP?
Graphics. Interactive environments.

The thing you have to realize is, GW2 PvP sort of did come from GW1. The sPvP is a mix between costume brawls and alliance battles. Yet, the combat style in GW2 screws with it and neither game type has the ability to be a sustainable PvP for competitiveness and rewards like GvG was.

Hope that helps.

lettucemode.3789:

To attempt to get this thread back on topic: I really like the downed state system. It creates this tactical mini-game within the larger pvp experience. Then again I main a necro and always carry plenty of interrupts, so I may be biased, but to me interrupting a key revive and capping a point because of it is a nice little thrill.

It is an interesting mechanic in the game that was fairly random for ANet to introduce.

There is a lot missing from the game when ANet decided to remove the rez shrine in combination with a 2 minute timer and rez signets.

Rez signets could be interupted. Rez signets could be shut down for 10 seconds based on key skills (dchop, dshot). Rez signets could tactically be shut down by a combination of interupts based on skillful team play. (savage shot, agonizing chop, shock, hammer knockdown, gale, cry of frustration).

Teams could be in a losing position and then spike out a monk right before time (not allowing the team any time to rez the monk before it was teleported back to base) and proceed to completely turn around the game.

The rez concept provided death penalty so that scoring kills against the opposing team was rewarding itself and not just “5 points” to add to 500.

Teams had hard rezzes with different consequences to using them:
Death pact – killing the person rezzed within a certain time limit kills that person and the person who death pacted
flesh of my flesh – the rezzer would lose 50% of his health and the rezzie would gain that health

The down state seems to be ANets way to simplify the game to make it more casual… Yet it still seems to create a void in killing the opponent as opposed to Guild Wars 1 PvP where it was critical to do so.

lettucemode.3789:

Motoko, the attached photo is how I like to imagine you.

I always try to treat arguments as a learning experience. I think that in proper debate both parties have something to offer the other. However, it’s pretty clear at this point that nothing good would come of this discussion. The tone of your posts implies that you are not interested having a conversation, you are only interested in expressing and defending your own opinion. Nothing wrong about that, but I will not waste my time with it.

I wish you many happy returns.

Your responses continue to showcase your severe lack of maturity.

This argument had every option of being a learning experience. I asked you to defend your claim as I am interested in getting an answer to what I was asking from you.

If you can not defend it, admit it. Please do not try and cover up your short comings by deflecting the attention to silly accusations you are making about me.

“The tone of your posts implies that you are not interested having a conversation, you are only interested in expressing and defending your own opinion.”

An argument is different than a conversation. An argument is expressing and defending an opinion. An argument can turn into a conversation if both sides have conveyed their view and both sides are willing to discuss it. You have yet to convey your view, so this will not be anything more than an argument (even that is a debatable description.)

You are trying to sound intelligent or acting like you are above this argument of the sort.
The truth is you are probably 15 years old, and in a discussion way over your head.

Get back on topic please. I am still waiting for your answer to my previous question.

lettucemode.3789:

Motoko.2875:

That is an interesting question to ask me – and unique as no one as actually asked me that other than just defending the hell out of GW2 and attacking GW1.

What the kitten?

This is a thread about what things people like about gw2 pvp. Obviously we’re going to be talking about things we like about gw2 pvp. No one is “defending” gw2 pvp because there’s nothing to defend it against; we’re just talking about what we like about it.

Even more ridiculous – no one was “attacking” gw1 pvp, no one even mentioned it until you did. You came in here and interpreted our statements as fanboyism and “attacking” gw1 pvp for no reason at all. lol

And yes, I did play gw1 pvp for several months at a variety of skill levels. I stopped because it didn’t really appeal to me. You seem to have this attitude that if someone likes something you don’t like, or that if someone looks at the same data as you and comes to a different conclusion, that person is automatically wrong. I would advise against pursuing that fallacious line of reasoning. It might make you a tough guy on the internet but it won’t count for much else.

You make a lot of opinionated assumptions. Your post is very condescending. That takes away a lot of your credibility.

The few people who like it are trying to defend it. Let us go ahead and fix your statement:
“No one is “defending” gw2 pvp because there’s nothing to defend it against".
to
“No one is ‘defending’ gw2 pvp because there’s nothing worth defending about it”.

So while we are both here. Go ahead and support your argument:

“GW2 Combat is second to none”.

While you are supporting and defending that claim – Make sure you mention that in less than a year:
Guild Wars 2 PvP is dead.
99% of Guild Wars 1 PvP players have scoffed, laughed at, and abandoned Guild Wars 2 PvP.
And explain given those two circumstances why tons more people don’t share your view of “GW2 combat is second to none”.

Keep in mind a 9 year old Guild Wars 1 predecessor has more active monthly tournaments than Guild Wars 2 tournaments have.

While your opinion can never be considered wrong, you can be classified as a small minority holding that opinion.

Aether McLoud.1975:

Motoko.2875:

Aether McLoud.1975:

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Something I hope you and any GW2 PvP fan boy might have accepted by now is that it is the majority opinion in regards to the PvP.

There is a reason GW2 is non-existent as an e-sport and there is a reason that the PvP player base suffered a relatively huge decline after release.

Ah so because I like GW2 combat system more than GW1 overall I have to be a “fan boy”. There’s 3 fallacies in your “argument”. Ad hominem, strawman, appeal to majority. L2argue.

You have failed to retort my argument. If you would like me to avoid such loaded statements in my arguments – Be sure to avoid the statement “well thats your opinion” phrase in the future. All of my responses were directly related to that picture you posted.

It seems you are the one that needs to “L2argue”.

Brave Sir Robin.3410:

Motoko.2875:

Aether McLoud.1975:

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Something I hope you and any GW2 PvP fan boy might have accepted by now is that it is the majority opinion in regards to the PvP.

There is a reason GW2 is non-existent as an e-sport and there is a reason that the PvP player base suffered a relatively huge decline after release.

So Motoko, not that GW1 vs. GW2 PVP isn’t worth discussion, but back on topic: anything you like in GW2?

That is an interesting question to ask me – and unique as no one as actually asked me that other than just defending the hell out of GW2 and attacking GW1.

I like the graphics.
I liked playing the game when it first came out since everything was new (I had 100% complete very very early).
I do enjoy the music – But that goes to what kind of person I am – I loved Guild Wars 1 music and I was in drumline for 7 years… So beats and music are something I look for critically.

Other than those three things I can’t really think of anything else… If the game was good to its core – the replay value would be phenomenal (much like GW1) – But it really just doesn’t have that replay value unless I wipe my brain of GW2 and then play it again so it feels fresh. The constant RNG and TP items and skins that come out saturate the market and make getting those skins feel hardly special at all (where pay to get items in GW1 were very scarce but noteworthy if you had them).

GW2 PvP is just so unrewarding and not as good as GW1 PvP in so many ways.

Lol I can’t even have a list of good things in GW2 without feeling the need to go over the never ending bad things.

Thank you for your question and making me think though!

Aether McLoud.1975:

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Something I hope you and any GW2 PvP fan boy might have accepted by now is that it is the majority opinion in regards to the PvP.

There is a reason GW2 is non-existent as an e-sport and there is a reason that the PvP player base suffered a relatively huge decline after release.

Archaon.6245:

Motoko.2875:

alcopaul.2156:

Read between the lines. My posts are like Bible verses with hidden meanings.

If the Bible had any resemblance to the words coming out of your mouth, religion would be head deep in kitten.

…dunno about his words but religions definately are a deep hole full of kitten u.u

except for odin..you know…everybody loves odin…

/off topic

lol I was trying to avoid any claims in regards to religion to avoid that discussion :P

alcopaul.2156:

Read between the lines. My posts are like Bible verses with hidden meanings.

If the Bible had any resemblance to the words coming out of your mouth, religion would be head deep in kitten.

GW1 and GW2 both give you the ability to PvP fully geared and auto-level 80.

GW1 at least had templates you could save builds with though.

lettucemode.3789:

Combat system is second to none. Dodging is such a cool mechanic, it adds a new layer of tactics to fights. The various boons and conditions create a lot of different battle situations to consider. And being able to max out a tree with less than half of your spec points means there’s lots of build diversity within a class.

I feel like you haven’t ever played GW1 PvP. And if you have, not at a high level.

GW2 combat doesn’t come close to GW1 combat.

Dodging is a cool mechanic? Okay, it has its perks, but what about GW1 lack of jumping and bodyblocking mechanics? Those created such a level of diversity in tactics that GW2 can’t even compare.

Boons and conditions? They are a lot simpler than the combination of GW1 enchantments, stances, conditions, and hexes.

Maxing out a tree with half your spec for build diversity? You really need to look up the character combinations of having secondary classes.

alcopaul.2156:

Common sense? no age limit means even 90 year olds as well as 12 year olds can play it, which is like 93% of the population of the world. no location limit means even penguins from antarctica can play it or even a giraffe in Africa can play it.

That’s why it seems that the dead game that is GW1 e.g. the Monthlies (which is basically 20% forfeits so i don’t know really your basis of telling that) looks populated to you compared to PAX which has very strict requirements. And you are sure that PAX participants will turn out low, which is like astounding coz you’re like Nostradamus.

Hi again.

Why do you use the GW2 leaderboards as any indication of credibility?

Let us take a look at your creditibility real quick:

no age limit means even 90 year olds as well as 12 year olds can play it, which is like 93% of the population of the world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_world#Age_structure

0–14 years: 26.3% (male 944,987,919/female 884,268,378)²
15–64 years: 65.9% (male 2,234,860,865/female 2,187,838,153)²
65 years and over: 7.9% (male 227,164,176/female 289,048,221) (2011 est.)

Your [MATH] seems rather subpar and inaccurate, much like the nonsense that gets attached to every single post coming from you.