Guild Wars 2

In the original release notes I remember reading that is was going to be a new permanent mini-game, but I may have mis-read something.

It’s the principle of why this was done. It was done because people were able to get a decent amount of crates. Its all about people spending money in the gem store. Of course a self proclaimed company “run by gamers” is going to be threatened by elder scrolls mmo and they are trying to make as much money now as they can.

Absolutely absurd that they did this. Is anyone else as fed up as I am?

Forgot to mention Jade Quarry is tier 1 WVW server, and is in first place in the standings.

For sure man. We have a bunch of guys that don’t mind helping out new folks. We still have plenty of room in the guild. Still at least 100 accounts that have not signed on in 2+ months. Guild Bounty and Trek missions this weekend and we can Q Rush really soon.

Doing guild bounty tonight. Still have plenty of room. There are SOOO many people that have no logged on in months. Going to be able to q guild RUSH soon which is a lot of fun.

We still have room.

Welcome to the new members. Doing a guild bounty mission this Wednesday the 3rd so come along.

One Eight Seven [OES], one of Jade Quarry’s oldest and most influential guilds is opening its doors. The guild has been full for months, but due to a substantial number of players that no longer log on AT ALL, people are being kicked to make room for players that want to be active.

We are one of the most upgraded guilds on JQ, HOWEVER, like some of the other upgraded guild we DO NOT require any kind of awkward application process. We are a kind, helpful, and knowledgeable group and welcome anyone who wants to participate.

We have a TS channel on the official JQ server and are very active in both WvW and PVE .

We are currently running Guild Bounty and Trek missions and only need more merits to unlock Guild Rush which is a lot of fun. We already have Architecture and Politics to 6. The only thing we DO NOT have to 6 is Art of War, which is the very last one you need so we have plenty of time. So basically we are among the most upgraded guilds so come and take advantage while we clean house.

Like most guilds trying to unlock guild missions, boosts are not maxed out, but we are managing to keep +10% magic find and +15% karma going nearly 24/7.

Whisper Ruin of Elements for more info or invite. Thanks for looking.

Something is definitely different than before. All of my characters are above lvl 20 fractal so all of my personal reward levels are all above 20. I’ve only done lvl 20 plus fractals since the patch and I’m getting less rares from chests period. Before the patch all I ever did were lvl 20 daily’s because they are the easiest difficulty that can give weapons. So pre and post patch my fractal levels have basically been the same. I have been running some 24 or 26 because I can now, but I’m still minimum 21 on all my toons. Every party I’ve been in I’ve asked if people are experiencing similar results (less rares from chests) and the answers have been resounding YES. So Colin all I’m asking is for you to do the same; the next few parties you are in ask if people have been noticing significantly less rares from chests and see what they say.

AcidicVision.5498:

Yesterday I looted rare pauldrons, rare gloves, a rare mask, three different rare lodestones, a rare shield, rare dagger, rare spear, and an exotic soldiers dagger. I seen at least one essence and one ascended ring drop.

This was over the course of two runs. Now not every single person you have talked to have only gotten green/blue.

RNG. Grats. The vast majority of people are not this lucky since patch. Don’t take my word for it. Start asking your parties and see what they say.

ColinJohanson.2394:

No changes were made to loot in fractals what so ever, they will be covered in release notes if changes of that nature are made.

Every single player I talk to disagrees. Not to mention the fact that the simplified upgradeless versions of rares are no longer dropping as often and now rabid and solider versions that have never been seen before are dropping. So that right there is a change, but regardless every single person I’ve talked to says all they get now from chests are blues and greens and the occasional lodestone/rare. I’m willing to give you guys the benefit of the doubt that whatever is happening was unintentional, but its happening. Get out there, ask around, and see for yourself.

Raine.1394:

It isn’t DR that’s bugged, it’s the loot system. It needs tuning to provide the necessary reward beyond the gameplay itself. It’s been bugged long enough that it is obviously by design. The loot system is designed not to provide a sense of reward for play. It may have something to do with the way the game is monetized. It’s only speculation, but D3 had the exact same sense of reward and the same monetization scheme. It may be that they can’t make a profit and provide players with a sense of reward.

The OP never said there was a DR bug. He said he was sick of people saying it’s a DR bug when in actuality ANET stealth nerfed loot drops and won’t fess up to it in the patch notes. Sad that all some of you can do it troll this poor guy to insanity when he’s right and ANET should fess up to what they did.

Shame on you for trolling this guy. He’s absolutely right and everyone I talk to agrees. ANET stealth nerfed fractal chest loot. All this poor guy did was react badly to the local forum trolls. Grow up.

Just did yet another lvl 20 and not a single rare from any chest. Did get a destroyer core from the maw chest. Asked everyone in my party and they all agreed….. STEALTH NERF.

lekyii.9856:

Now i bet that in the end of next month almost no one will be doing fractals

Whats the reason to do more than lvl 20 fractals if you dont get anything new

It’s sad really. I’ve had so much fun running fractals. Even though the fractal weapon system is a little annoying its still been fun/worth it to pursue them. Up until now I guess. I just don’t understand what the people at ANET are thinking. They should be doing things that make people want to play. Not the opposite.

lekyii.9856:

lvl 26 and im telling you after patch sometimes only got 1 rare per run, when before i got 4-6 rares

Yeah I know man. Same here. What bothers me more than the trolls on this forum is that ANET did not say anything about it. Just goes to show you how much they care about their players.

Nibiru.1423:

lol, last post got nerfed too.

please search the forums, this has been covered many times, there are less lfg.com since patch because guilds can finaly fractal together because of the patch changes.

Loot is just fine, but like i say in last post i will screenshot my loot next run

I don’t need to search anything. I’m an intelligent person and have had many intelligent conversations with people since this patch and everyone is pretty aggravated by this stealth nerf. Sure I guess some of the LFG’s are down because of the new mechanics but I’m also sure they are down because people are upset ANET stealth nerfed loot and fractals are simply not worth the time anymore…. except for the hardcores I guess that really want that certain weapon skin. Gratz though on your nice runs. Please take the time to post some screen shots. It will prove heaps.

Wow, that was really funny if anyone saw that rant you know what I’m talking about, but in that guys defense, he is right. I’ve also been asking around since the patch hit and 95% of the people I’ve talked to agree that ANET stealth nerfed fractal chest loot. I guess the other 5% are on the graceful side of RNG. Everyone claiming RNG or whatever is just trolling. Sadly its happened and it was not covered in the patch notes. Just look at the LFG site. It used to be dominated by fractal LFGs, now they are few and far between.

Is there another thread about this? Can anyone recall one way or anything hearing a dev’s response about this kind of thing? Is anyone against this?

Also, for the record, I can call myself a moron joking around, but saying I should have known better is bollocks. I figured if anything they would raise the stat bonus because of people complaining. Infusing my back pieces was a one shot deal in my mind and I needed the resistances and did not want to waste fractal relics “waiting to see” what they were going to do. I figured get the best one available and they would probably boost the +5 whatever to +15 or +20 when enough people complain.

I never even considered that they would lower the cost so drastically and make me have to put so much effort into getting compensated.

IMO kinda ridiculous that we even have to beg for this. First off its a gem store item so why not. Secondly its not really fair they they NERF the shortbow to the point where main hand axe does more DPS (ranger) after I spent FORTY gold on a corrupted one that now just gathers dust.

Still waiting.

IDK like 500 gems. Can be used on anything except a legendary.

Can I please get a response from a DEV on this:

A: Of course we are taking care of this stay tuned. We would never dream of screwing any of our players out of a drastically large number of skill points. (nearly 25% of what is needed for bloodstone shard)

B: The time and effort wasted buy someone, albeit in the vast minority, means nothing to us. Stop holding your breath and wasting other peoples time and bandwidth; like yours was wasted.

C: ?

Thanks for your time.

Levetty.1279:

I keep reading the phrase ’shady drug dealer style scam ’ but I still have no idea what it means, or how it can apply to acquiring toys for a digital characters.

On the plus side another person who says they are excited for Elder Scrolls Online is always funny.

That means “here take some for free, but if/when you get hooked, gotta buy more BEEEEOTCH.”

ALSO, please god please please please tell me am I missing something or did the christmas chest really have just 200 cogs in it, 50 short of doing anything else but taking a slot up in my inventory?

There is no point to this and it will never happen. DEV’s have already made it clear that they want to increase the rarity of ecto and they just increased rare drops in both mobs and dungeon chests kind of recently so I’m sorry to say you are just waiting bandwidth here..

Im curious did anet develop this game to be fun or for people to hate? The dredge fractal is absolutely ridiculous at higher levels and is in no way shape or form fun. Maybe if the enemies at the 2nd switch did not respawn it would be a lot more manageable. That way you could kill them and have someone sit on that switch while you four man into the dual switch room killing off some aggro. I can’t tell if the ones in the dual switch room respawn or not but either way the whole fractal is BS. I don’t know a single person that likes it (AT HIGHER LEVELS) and consistently causes wipe/rage quits and ends up wasting almost as much time as fractal DC mechanics. in general.

I’m not trying to beeotch and even with really solid parties its total bs. So again I’m curious is this game meant to be fun or not? There is a fine line between challenging and just plain annoying. Please fix.

What is toypocalpse? Been trying to figure that one out.

Dinny.5310:

I’m actually not following the OP’s complaint. You can make all of the toy minis, dude… If you missed a day, when Tixx gets to LA, you can play whichever dungeon(s) you missed. And, if I’m not mistaken, you can do them every day until the 3rd of January (once a day) to get the materials to make all five of the toys.

And like Dungin said, all of those christmas skins bought with ugly currency are very easy to obtain: you can go enjoy yourself in bell choir/snowballs/jumping puzzle/open presents on the overworld and get the currency to buy it yourself, or buy it from the TP for not very much at all.

Weapon skins and the town clothes are purely cosmetic and the playerbase asked for them. Gold prices are the lowest they’ve been for a while, so it’s easier than ever to buy gems if you can’t afford to put in money.

Possibly the only hiccup are those three RNG minis, and even they wouldn’t be problematic if they weren’t account bound. That is literally all that would have to be done to remedy the issue.

In other words, what are you even complaining about?

You are mistaken. The exotic crafting materials can only be received once even after the dungeons reach LA and that was confirmed by DEVs unless they see all this rage and change their mind. So you can only make 2 mini pets. The most hideous of maneuvers is by far taking 4 endless tonics, which BTW you have to sacrifice 4 of your frames allowing you to only make 1 mini pet now and not guaranteeing an account bound toymaker tonic. Unnecessarily wrong thing to do to people at christmas.

Its just plain bad business and I can’t believe people are still defending this. With the time and effort and resources it takes to get 4 endless you should be guaranteed an account bound toymaker hands down and anything less is a complete disgrace during the holiday season. This kind of stuff and ANET’s general business model that will lead to ZERO loyalty to GW2 when something better comes along. FOR SURE. And its already happening. Since the game launched I’ve had a contact list of about 40 entries of players that I considered respectable and skillful dungeon runners. Out that list there are 3 that still log on. The rest are MIA. I can’t even imagine what the actual stats are from launch to now. That is just my small cross section. But its definitely the reason why ANET is trying to grab as much cash as possible. They probably saw the elder scrolls video too. Can’t blame them really. Strike while the iron is hot. Im actually not even gonna rage about it anymore. Just gonna bide my time till that comes out. I get it now. If anything ANET is smart enough to realize that there is no way they are going to be able to compete with a Bethesda MMO.

Actually though I just finally realized why GW2 has turned into a big cash grab for ANET. I did not realize the elder scrolls mmo had a ten minute video on their website and the game is pretty close to release, IE what happened to WoW when GW2 came out is soon to happen to GW2 when elder comes out. Bethesda has never disappointed EVER with elder games and the game looks stunning. And no I don’t work for them but I’d like to cause man its gonna be amazing. So go ahead ANET continue to disappoint the masses. There is not much time left.

Dungin.2983:

Necrid.2705:

What was the point of screwing us on this event, Anet?

The promised Gifts from each location turned out to be a lie.

The possibility of using the leftovers to make tonics will bleed you dry.

The mats required costs a ridiculous amount of gold.

This event proved one thing. Anet cared more about creating a giant Gold Sink and driving up Gems sales, that they care not for the player community and how it affected most of us.

Take a look at the GW2 economy Anet. And the real world economy at that. 90% of the wealth is held by the super rich. Most of us regular players have about 3-10 gold at any given time depending on what we just finished.

1600+ Gems + 23+Gold later and I have absolutely nothing to show for it because of this failure of an event.

Needless to say Anet, you have let us down. All your future events will be weighed out against this one. Seeing as how this was your biggest holiday event of the year, you really blew it Anet. You may not feel it now, but you have set a precedent for what to expect from you in the future.

What a waste. So much for being “for everyone”. You really went back on a lot of promises with this event. Your player community will remember that. You have single-handedly caused players to punch through their monitors at the ridiculous rate you can achieve anything with this Holiday event. With everything being account bound anyways, what a waste.

To the lucky few who was able to afford getting everything they wanted, and had the gold or money to put into gems, honestly, congrats, I envy you highly.

Everyone else, like me, will walk away from this with nothing but disappointment and a severe, deep scar on our hearts for Anet.

You certainly made a statement with this Anet: " The poor (ingame or in real life) are not welcome to enjoy the fruits of your holiday events. "

Is this the message we should expect from Anet for all future events? Should the normal crowd stop participating because we will always have less until we get that 1 lucky precursor drop or spend hours upon hours in your broken dungeons to farm up a few gold. Diminishing Returns makes regular mob-farming impossible after 45-mins to an hour. WTF Anet? Your message is pretty consistant over and over. Bring your wallets or do without.

Take a good hard look at the message you have sent to us Anet. Is this the message you meant to send?

Ultimately, what corrective motions are you going to take in order to correct this mistake and give us an ACTUAL reward for participating in your first ever Wintersday event? Or are you seriously going to sit back and be happy with being the Grinch/Scrooge. So much for Holiday spirit. We’ve all been had. “How Anet stole Christmas”.

I could go on, but there is really no need. Anet, your player community has spoken in many ways about this event. I hope you take the time to seriously reflect on the message you sent to us all. Your community will never forget the Christmas that Anet Scrooged us. You can never redo your first Wintersday event. You dropped the ball Anet. Please pick it up and show some love for those of us in your community who are not in positions to put 200Gold into gems, or buy 2000 gems outright.

Honestly. I would expect this kinda of treatment from the United States Government. I would have never expected it from you Anet.

What specifically did you not get that you wanted? All of the weapon skins were super cheap on the TP, the ones in the gemstore were reasonable.

That just leaves minis, which, they appear to be taking advantage of the completionists a bit with it. I never collected the minis so I don’t really get it

The only way you got ‘nothing’ from this event was if you were chasing minis which you didn’t specify.

Last time minis were easy weapons were harder, it flip-flopped this time; I don’t really see the problem unless you HAVE to have 100% of all minis. In which case, as many before me have pointed out being a collector IS expensive.

Ok, lets look past the completionist mini thing, you know the shady drug dealer style scam thing……

HTF can you possibly justify urinating away 4 endless tonics that are no small feat to acquire for a small chance at an account bound toy maker tonic? I have not even tried yet for an endless tonic and there is no way I would put them into the forge at this point but I feel so bad for people that decided to invest their frames this way and go robbed during this supposed to be cheerful holiday season.

TWMagimay.9057:

ObliviousFool.3427:

There is really no rational defense for these two actions and anyone who tries to defend these two actions is either a total fan boy or works for anet. Sorry but FAIL company ethics and morals.

So, what are you? A total hater or working for EnMasse/GForge?

I’m actually a really nice, kind, compassionate, and generous person who is disgusted with ANET’s business model and the horrid way in which they decided to spread holiday cheer.

What sticks out in my mind the most about this holiday event are two things:

A: Shady drug dealer tactics – here have 2 free mini pets but if you want them all buy gem beeeotch (extremely unnecessary and not in the christmas spirit at all) YES I know I don’t HAVE to, but there are already minis I HAVE to buy gems for so they should have left it at that and allowed us to grind the rest.

B: putting 4 ENDLESS TONICS into forge for SMALL chance at getting toymaker is such a horridly wrong thing to do to people at christmas and shows HANDS down that anet does not care about us AT ALL.

There is really no rational defense for these two actions and anyone who tries to defend these two actions is either a total fan boy or works for anet. Sorry but FAIL company ethics and morals.

Jrunyon.3012:

All I hear is complete self centered entitlement. There was plenty of free stuff handed out at this event. So what if you cant get everything. This is completely free content given out by Anet because they are awesome and care about the players. How dare you be mad at them for that. All you “collectors” that just whine and complain that you cant get everything for free make me sick. Your mindset is what’s killing MMO’S these days. I wish they made a list of people like you that just whine and complain and didnt give you any more updates ever. Then you wont have anything to complain about right?

Pull your head out of your kitten and realize that they dont have to do any of this stuff for us. And frankly, given the response from people like you, I wouldnt blame them if they stopped doing this stuff altogether.

Grow up.

You must work for anet. They obviously care VERY little about their players and their valuable time. God forbid if there was something wrong with the gem store they would bend over backwards to fix it, however I’ve lost track of how much of my time has been wasted on fractal disconnects with still no fix. All anet cares about is finding ways to squeeze money out of us. Yeah great free to play. Would rather pay monthly then be treated like a potential dollar sign. Open your eyes brah. Spending all that effort to get endless tonics just to have them ripped away by forge for just one is complete BS and a horrid thing to do to people at christmas. On a side note I was just checking out video for Elder Scroll Online. LOOKS AWESOME. Hope they take a hint and do all the things right that GW2 did wrong that cost them to lost\e well over half their players in a relatively short period of time.

Ef anyone who tries to get anet back in this. Shady drug dealer tactics on the mini-pets and mystic forge taking 4 endless and not giving the toymakers is complete BOLLOCKS totally inexcusable and not in the christmas spirit as all. Regardless of any of the other cool stuff they did these two points make x-mas TOTAL FAIL as far as customer relations is concerned.

Id really like to see a dev post on this. Seems like such a scummy thing to do, that is take 4 endless tonics and not give you the toymaker one FOR SURE. So Id like to see a dev say:

A: yes we are really sorry they is a bug and we certainly taking care of it

B: no sorry we are kittens merry christmas (I typed kittens)

I would rather pay a monthly fee then treated the way anet treats us. Rubbing some free mini-pets in our face drug dealer style during christmas time only to have to spend gems to get them all is shady at best.

Where else can you get the frames besides the daily dungeons? That is the only place I have seen them thus far.

Such bs. If you spend the time and effort to get 4 endless the endless toymaker should be a guaranty.

So wait is there a confirmed way to craft the endless toymaker tonic or is that only coming from the boxes?

I can’t believe there is even a question as to why this does not happen. All anet wants is our money and your suggestion would take some of that away from them. So in other words there is absolutely no way in hell that would ever happen.

What guild wars lacks is people in positions of power that actually understand customer relations and not a bunch of money grabby greedsters. How does anyone still give this company their time and respect? Every decision they have made since launch was about how to alienate their customer base while lining their pockets as much as possible and its a shame there are still people that do not see this. So unless your suggestions fall along those two important guidelines there is no sense wasting your time cause it will never happen.

I just saw in the market place a few days ago a name change contract. It even reserves your original name for a certain amount of time that you can apply to another character. Not a troll. Look it up on TP.

So wait how does that work when you get hacked? Did they actually restore everything you had lost? Is there a link to official policy/statement on this? Have been curious about this. I was told that if you file a support claim immediately you get everything back, but your post seems kinda vague as to what they actually did for you.

I lol’d at that.

Is this really the case?

Sadly I’m the last of 8 friends that came over from EvE still playing guild wars. The reasons why are pretty obvious at this point. Or maybe they are not? Mostly they were tired of being alienated and seen as only a dollar sign, and due to extreme lack of end game content.

No lacking of schemes to get people to buy stuff in the gem store though. God forbid if there were frequent disconnects when making gem store purchases (fractal) anet would bend over backwards making sure there was a fix, but don’t worry about the countless hours we’ve collectively wasted trying to get through whatever level fractal due to random dc’s leading to full party rage dc’s. Our time apparently means nothing to this company, but they sure do love our money. Too bad they would be able to get a lot more of it if people still wanted to play the game. How they are not seeing that at this point still alludes me yet again for Christmas we get blatantly obvious drug dealer type schemes rubbing some free mini pets in our face and then posting the rest up in gem store.

I had a contact list which was largely people I had met running dungeons that I considered good respectable players of about maybe 40 entries. Of those 40 there are normally 2 online, and that is out of 3 that actually still come on. The rest are completely MIA. No surprise here. That is just my small cross section. I can’t imagine what the real numbers are and how this company is still pulling the same crap that alienated a large majority of their player base.

The “company run by gamers” model sounds nice on paper but unfortunately this group of gamers are cash grabbing kittens. While its not completely incomprehensible considering the state of the economy that these blokes would try to do whatever the can to line their pockets, perhaps throwing a few people in the mix that actually know about business and customer relations would have prevented mass and obvious alienation of your client base and in the long run better revenue streams.

So my suggestion is that anet starts taking the George Costanza approach. Since pretty much EVERY decision they have made since launch has been wrong all they need to do is simply start doing THE OPPOSITE.

Case solved.

I guess I was the only moron that actually spent 50 skill points on this.