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[PvP] Symbolic DH Zealer - Build Update

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I was holding this build in the plat 2 & 3 divisions before I dipped for Albion Online. It’s great and False did a stellar job in the craft behind it.

Matchmaking

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You know, I always think this is 50/50 stuff is BS conspiracy…. and then I hit streaks over the weekend where I fall from 1670 to 1470 and then back up to 1550. I’m not becoming a wildly better or worse player from game to game. I am who I am at this point.

My guess is I will get back to about 1650-1700 then my rating will freefall again and then rebound to 1650 on the dot. This has happened every single season. I would say it would happen twice before settling on 1650 except I’m headed for Albion when it launches.

Had my first REALLY good one of the season

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-23 point loss, plat division spanking, LOL. I’m genuinely surprised it took until Friday. Didn’t even have someone stuck in the wall for this one. Oh well, placement week is placement week I suppose.

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Loss due to team mate stuck in wall

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This actually is becoming a bit of an issue. In the past 10 games it’s happened twice costing me -24 & -27

Does our level or past seasons rank matter?

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Interestingly, this is the first time where I felt the effect of the past season. Small sample size aside, the previous two iterations of this system saw me placed way lower than where I finished. This season, my placement was nearly identical to the end of season six.

Each off-hand has a bad skill, let's fix that

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Again, there’s a big difference between something getting a tweak or something being so bad it necessitates a buff or a rework. There are tons of things to “fix” on the Guardian class. I wouldn’t put our off-hand weapon skills in the top 10. Thus, they are not bad.

Make RoJ faster or reduce the CD? Cool. I don’t have a ton of issue with it now, but I’ll take it! If you haven’t seen or don’t know how to effectively use CF in WvW, you’re in for a very pleasant surprise. Add might stacks on top of it? Sure, sounds even better to me! Reduce cast time and/or add a reflect to CoJ? Heeeeck yeah.

I like all that. In my mind, it’s just icing on the cake.

Each off-hand has a bad skill, let's fix that

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Wow. Our off-hand weapons are stellar. All of the skills are great as is. If you want to buff them, I’m not going to argue. To say they are currently bad boggles my mind.

Ray of judgement is an ESSENTIAL condi clear in the condi met in sPvP. Cleansing flame is the same for WvW. And shield of judgement is a huge source of DPS in shattered aegis builds.

120 games are too much

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Honestly, this season it’s the decay that’s the big bummer. Albion releases July 17th so a ton of hardcore folks are going to nip into it for release.

Current Optimal DH in PvP

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Solo queue placement matches put me at 1648—I used the original proposal for the shattered aegis build.

Caine, just to clarify for myself, are you running Burn Guard or Burn DH?

[PvP] Symbolic Zealer Burst build

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Hmm ok, I’ll try a few rounds. After the first game of the new version, I prefer the original smite condition version. Let me see if a couple rounds knock off the edge of what just feels awkward.

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It’s extremely rare that I don’t get top DPS with the shatter aegis build. Like 10 days ago I was on a team with Rar and his thief duo. The thief took tops in that game. That’s how rare and memorable it is.

God Walking Among Mere Mortal

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Yep, just happened again.

Stuck in PvP match/queue [merged]

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Thanks! I really appreciate it. I’ve never been out of commission for that kind of stretch.

"Match is about to begin." ...for 10 minutes

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48 hours and counting…

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4 hours is lucky. I’m a 30 now. Sent support tickets. Bumping every post I can find. It’s quite disappointing to lose an entire weekend.

Stuck in PvP match/queue [merged]

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Stuck for over 30 hours now…

PvP stuck this morning?

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Apparently so. I’ve been stuck for over 24 hours

Stuck in PvP Queue

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This is getting kinda ridiculous. I have sent in support tickets and now I’m on my 14th hour of being stuck.

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"Match is about to begin." ...for 10 minutes

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This is getting kinda ridiculous. I have sent in support tickets and now I’m on my 14th hours of being stuck.

PvP stuck this morning?

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…..3 Hours and I am still stuck in queue.

"Match is about to begin." ...for 10 minutes

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3 Hours and I am still stuck in queue.

PvP stuck this morning?

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"Match is about to begin." ...for 10 minutes

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Here’s a screenshot from where I’ve been stuck.

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Off-season is terribly mishandled, hurts PvP

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No need to apologize at all! You were the one who was confused and I was happy to clear it up for you.

Not sure what that has to do with my comment you quoted.

I have followed the discussion without pause. Just because you made a statement with which I disagreed doesn’t mean you need to restate it.

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Off-season is terribly mishandled, hurts PvP

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Let me make see if I can be more specific so it’s easy for you to see the context.

it isn’t something I would ever recommend to someone looking to play a game just for the PvP.

I highlight that and in turn say I play GW2 for sPvP/WvW because GW2 would absolutely be a game I recommend for PvP—in fact it’s probably the ONLY themepark MMO I would recommend at this time. Maybe WoW if you’re willing to do the PvE it requires. Other than that, you get into sandbox territory and my soon to be uber crush in Albion.

Off-season is terribly mishandled, hurts PvP

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GW2 has had years to get their act together with PvP. They have failed every time. I think it is perfectly reasonable at this point for someone to tell their friend looking for a PvP game to stay away from GW2. Anet brought this low population on themselves.

Though I still enjoy the game from time to time, it isn’t something I would ever recommend to someone looking to play a game just for the PvP.

I play solely for sPvP & WvW. So, yeah, I would say the polar opposite recommendation exists as well.

[PvP] Symbolic Zealer Burst build

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I also switched to Lynx and I’m an even bigger fan after that swap.

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Honestly, I like the Aegis shatter build much better at this point.

Error Code = 42:1053:90001:4402:101

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And now once that person plays a game he/she is unable to queue the group.

PvP Broken for anyone else right now?

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Error Code = 42:1053:90001:4402:101

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Played a PvP game, exited. All of a sudden this error. If someone invites me to party, they can queue and I can accept.

[PvP] The Patch and Meta in S7

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We could build a pretty sound Guardian community if we started a discord. I know there’s folks like Nusku who want to pretend to be experts after 1100 and 1300 seasons, but I think even he/she would benefit from discourse between players who have logged serious time on the class.

Every other AAA title has dedicated discords per class, so unless I have been missing ours, I think we should get it started.

[PvP] The Patch and Meta in S7

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At this point, trash tier is nomenclature for tiers below mid gold where virtually any build can be successful.

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LF: Non Meta PvP/WvW Burn Guard/DH

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For WvW, burn guard is amazing. However, if you want to maximize it, I highly suggest ascended gear for HoT prefix. I destroy people 1v1, small man and in zergs. In 1v1s, it especially catches people off guard who expect to smoke you (i.e. Daredevils).

As far as sPvP, I still think Falselight’s V2 posted on metabattle is the best & most enjoyable build. However, post patch, burn guard/DH is really not fun or effective outside trash tier.

[PvP] The Patch and Meta in S7

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On a related now, now that Guardian is in serious flux for the first time a loong time, is there a dedicated discord? Do we need to make one?

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As a personal preference, now that heal trap sucks I would never take ToF. 1 trap is a waste, imo. I bring back JI and have full meditations.

I’ll spin through a couple runs this morning again on DH and compare my stats. This might just be completely related to my playstyle.

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What’s your argument in favor of DH over the “free-to-play” base Guardian variant of symbolic? I actually like the base guard much better. It seems like it fulfills Falselight’s aforementioned “paladin” type role far better, at least when I play it, with honor over DH.

I honestly do not like the trap heal at this point, so if I’m going more defensive shelter is again a no-brainer. And I don’t like LoW as a heal with symbolic. It fits much better with the Aegis burst or burn DH.

Honestly, FTP Symbolic and Aegis DH are the two best builds for Guardians I have seen thus far. I’d like to make hammer work, but in pugs it’s just not performing as well for me.

[PvP] The Patch and Meta in S7

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Any update how the Hammer Guard has fared in competitive scrims?

[PvP] Symbolic Zealer Burst build

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I’ve really enjoyed it so far. However, and it definitely seems to be hard countered by the stealthing range-mainting power druid. It’s a bad 1v1 and it’s an absolutely GG +1 since we really don’t have the types of necessary gap closers or escapes. Unfortunately, in the off season, I keep running into games with two or more of them. It actually happened my last seven games in a row.

It’s particularly annoying on Temple & Skyhammer. I say this build is definitely a good one, but if you see those bad match-ups coming, be prepared to swap to something else for that match.

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Swap Invigorated Bulwark & Empowering might?

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This is just one example, but I have been thinking a lot about Guardian builds as of late. With the round of nerfs, I’ve been pouring over the class design and the options available. I am noticing, in my opinion, faulty design in the Specialization trees.

From the title, Invigorated Bulwark & Empowering Might are the first two that come to mind. The location of these two abilities should be swapped to put IB on the same tier as Honorable staff. IB has nice synergy with Protective Reviver, HS would have nice synergy with EM. As it stands, well, we just cannot take these traits together. There’s really nothing overpowered about being able to use one or both of these pairs. In fact it would potentially give viability to two different choices but also make a “support” Guardian make that choice between mace or staff.

Anyone else agree with this? See other examples? I have a couple, but I don’t want to start down that rabbit hole if I’m way off base.

[PvP] The Patch and Meta in S7

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I’ll let you know how our scrims vs abjured go in the next couple days while you face silver players in unranked q.
Also learn2 blast finish, it’s actually a thing.

I, for one, am very interested to hear an update after your scrims. I think I know what you’re aiming to do, but unfortunately I don’t know if it will work as well next season when we can only solo/duo (and I personally just solo).

I’m pretty down on all the Guardian builds I have seen posted. I’m actually grateful I invested so much into Albion because that game might be the way to until the expac after this last patch.

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[Idea] DLC can save PvP

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My cousin plays SMB and bought Bayonetta. I watched how fun it is, and then thought about GW2. With PvP in a sorry state because both players and employees abandoned the game, maybe DLCs can revive population? Here are some ideas:

Play as Angry Tribulation Cloud – 2000 Gems. His attacks act like a Lightning Ele.
Play as Tybalt – 2000 Gems. Like in Stronghold. He attacks with apples and rifle.
Play as Dhuum – 2000 Gems. Acts like permanent Necro shroud.
Play as Alpha Golem – 2000 Gems. Like in WvW, slow but hits hard.
Play as Colin – 2000 Gems. Hypes match before timer starts, but leaves before game finish.

Over 500 characters for that “joke.”

Fix the PvP (leavers, afk, and bans)

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Honestly the worst part is that ANet doesn’t even let us police it ourselves. It’s the same people game after game and I could rattle off 10 names right now. But that would get me banned from the forums.

Always fun to enable the kittenters.

NL Weekly 5v5

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I was really hoping to get to sign up as a Free Agent but Thursday is just a rough night and it does appear I’ll still be at the office. Lame.

I hope this starts off as a jumping point, though! The community desperately NEEDS this.

You have GOT to change the DC rules

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It shouldn’t just be 2 minutes. If a person DCs a certain length into the match, that should count as well. Just had a great match amidst top 250 NA people. At 240-219,7 minutes into the match, we had a DC. We called it out, and said thanks for the good game. Of course, they purposely rushed the lord 1:30 later to just be trolls and cost us rating.

In what universe can that even remotely be considered fun?

Matchmaking picked the wrong player?

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I’m that bud he’s talking about. Been having solid matches for the longest time, was climbing the leader board slowly but surely. Then I get 4 matches in a row against top players with nobodies on my team, resulting in 4 blow outs, resulting in being thrown off the leader board again…

Anet please fix your match making…

Man, that sounds exactly like my Sunday. Went from a respectable spot in the top 100 to a tanked rating. I should have logged, but like a stubborn kitten I ate about 100 points of losses in the blink of an eye with the same clueless people. After I nearly chucked a deathadder against the wall I promised my fiance that I’m done playing with the weekend warriors.

48 hours later and I still have absolutely no desire to play, so it may be a bit more than that.

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Man, looking at your videos I sure wish you played EST primetime rather than when I’m at work. I’d absolutely kill to run with your crew.

Anet, care to comment?

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As I was in this game I feel pretty free to comment: you shouldn’t complain, you won. I know you said it was pretty “decent game,” but that’s not really the case. I waited quite a long time to get this game and I’m pretty sure Naru & his partner likely waited just as long or longer.

The necro and thief (who as you can see were a pre-made duo) struggled to play throughout the entire game game. They consistently lost every fight of even numbers, were unsure how to assist a target, and even lost not one but two 2v1s to the warrior on your team. With folks making that many mistakes (including myself expecting them to not lose a second 2v1—I should have known better and accounted for it), we should lose.

So what you had was a top ranked player and his partner matched with a mid-ranked player (i’ve not played a ton of games this season so I think i was 1565) and low-skill duo. The expectation was that our team would lose (You got 18 for the win, I lost 14). Unfortunately, we had waited long enough that the MMR pairing expanded to a less than optimal range, yet still in the range that it would be reasonable that a carry was possible. Unfortunately, 2/5s of the team were too much of a detriment and the expected outcome transpired.

Sucks for us, but it’s the system working as intended.

In-depth Dev post on Placement?

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I made this post early this morning, but deleted it, because I worried it would lead to negative feedback when I genuinely like what I am seeing in-game. Seeing more discussion today, I decided want to renew my request: Can we get a detailed explanation on placement?

I’m not mad, personally. I love winning just about as much as anyone so day one was a breeze. I actually feel bad about ruining other folk’s potential enjoyment.

Some background: I played seasons 1-3 and made legendary each time. I didn’t play S4, but was excited to see what would happen yesterday. I went 7-3 in placement games, earning an average of 3 badges for stats in each game. I alternated between DPS and support so I could make sure, in case it was a factor in skill rating, my placement matches showed I could carry all the categories across a small sample. I received my initial rating, and honestly, it seemed pretty low considering my W-L and badge totals. Oh well, placement over. Let’s roll.

I then played 10 more games and went 9-1. 7/9 wins were by LARGE margins and the only loss was 500-496. One of the seven wins was short-handed 4v5 for the duration; another was 4v5 for the first several minutes. Essentially, I’ve been placed where I can realistically expect to win even against the odds. That’s really not fair to the people getting stomped.

Was I supposed to go 8-2 or better? Average 4 badges per game? Consistently just win the same categories in every single game? Just curious for more specifics as to the way placement was calculated. I’m not worried about long-term as I understand how the larger sample of games will correctly place people in the end. But how does the starting point really shake out?

The Psychology of S4

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Here’s the thing: it’s only displaced resentment. The resentment itself is completely warranted. Why would anyone be pleased with the fact that we’re back in a system that was already deemed to be inferior and thus rejected?

WvW got polls for this type of thing. However, sPvP still lives in the dark age where we’re forced to endure a reversion—and only on a 1-day notice. Shameful development practices.

Anyone internal can see the true age of my account. Let’s just say I’ve seen it all for GW2 and this is the nadir of how the development team has treated the players—especially when they seemingly already learned their lessons and tried to fix their practices!

The current leadership just can’t seem to help itself.

Blah Blah Blah. An example of ressentiment would be blaming Anet because you can’t win a PVP match. See above :P

l2readingcomprehension, because my post is about being irked by the way the community is being treated. Or, if that was a troll, I’m glad you enjoy winning every game 500-10. It’s a trash experience for me. On the other hand, the close games of s3 were awesome.