This is a perfect idea, I’ve been talking about this with all of my friends and I played (sadly) 30 + hours of weaver inside of the demo. In my own conclusions as it is, weaver would be a 6/10 on metabattles.com if I would have to guess. Elementalist at it’s core is a REACTIVE class, weaver atm goes against this synergy unless one sacrifices an entire skill slot. Unravel being f5 is the most simple and direct way to fix all of the problems with weaver, I wouldn’t even mind if the CD was forty seconds, it would make weaver viable, and even increase the skill cap.
“. And finally, we’re looking to normalize damage for the elementalist so that it is not effectively the best-in-slot for damage, support, and survivability in all scenarios. " , /wrists lmao, really anet? really?
HA HA HA HA, If deathly chill was 10 bleeding necro players on this forum would still call people noobs for complaining about balance. I hate this place lmao, the disparity between power and condi is atrocious and your kidding yourself or are a complete troll if you think otherwise.
There has never been anything worse then a nomad thief, people will stay in enemy keeps indefinitely with this build and not even 50 people can kill him. Its honestly as if thief is allowed to choose an admin build and just float around the map as an invincible kitten perma taping waypoints. When I was tied with NSP being on FC at the time, I once saw a thief do this in blue eb keep for more then 24 hours. There was nothing anyone could do. I seriously loathe the thief class and this build is by far the worst. Honestly though I hate every thief, it’s the worst implemented class I have ever seen in an mmo game. It’s always been anti fun even since the beginning. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXcRknfEzfY&t=315s) This old video for example, thief gets to reset 30 + times after getting out played at each engagement but still being able to stealth and try again as much as he likes with no consequence. As far as I care, this thief LOST 29 1v1s in a row and his class is kittening cheating.
Attack while players do not notice you, immediately stealth and disengage if the victim player fights back. This core design of the class both mitigates the amount of time that players are actually interacting with each other (diminishing the pvp experience) but also makes what should be a squishy assassin class, capable of what essentially is the highest amount of invul uptime in the game (dodge spam) or indefinite stealth.
I hate this class more then any collection of english words could express in all honestly, imo anyone who plays thief isn’t playing video games to have fun, they are playing to be troll and see a “you win” screen.
total exception to the thief players who /bow at 1vs1 spots, you guys are my homies and don’t play like total kittenes.
Speaking as Wvw roamer. (No idea about PvE and didn’t play Pvp since the last patch)
Core ele is still a thing in Wvw.
As a roamer (FreshAir or DD) U have good movility and can defeat any other clan in 1v1 or run really fast if you are strongly outnumbered.
Its a really fun class to play on this mode and viable (maybe not optimal) but still playable. Maybe our combos are more complicated than other profesions but always was like that…. Eh! we are Elementalist! we have lots of tools for any situation.
Just have fun, keep practicing and learn about your mistakes
On zerg U still can hit really hard with staff as backline artillery with a decent survability.
So, in Wvw Core ele is still viable and even have few build diversity!
Could it be better? YES
You need to combo 3,4 or 5 skills to get the same damage than a F1 on the warrior or condiNecro. You have less sustain than then. you dont have invisibility or a good range damage over time(scepter can do dmg spikes but AA stinks xD) you dont have lots of things……. but ITS REALLY FUN an if you practice, you can defeat all of them.
So…. Is it playable? YES
Nah Scepter AA is amazing, FA ele in wvw is such an awesome thief buster. It wrecks all but staff thief 9/10 lmao almost instantly . In WvW blood and air sigil still exist though(THANK GOD). Condi Necro and power rev are the only 1vs1’s I can’t seem to win kitten ele, pretty sure necro is just borked in wvw because trailblazer, and power rev has perfect skill bar/cool downs for one shotting a FA ele. So necro because anet allows borked stats in wvw, and rev because they actually counter the playstyle. My FA ele isn’t afraid to fight anything else, and winning any 1vs1 besides the listed matchups (rev, condi necro) is simply a matter of being faster and more on point then the enemy player. Fresh Air SF ele is LIFE, it is LOVE.
I can’t believe the forums sometimes, EPI is still by far the strongest skill in wvw. My celestial necro can get 60 k dps spikes on enemy players while my MARAUDER BACKLINE ELE WITH SCHOLAR RUNES never gets above a 20k dps spike. WITH SCHOLAR RUNES!!!!!!!!!!!
Meteor also takes 3 and 1/4 seconds to cast, has 1/3 of the damage radius, and also has a 30 second CD. Epi is horribly broken and by far the strongest skill in wvw . I can’t believe anet forget to make lords invalid targets for epi, at the moment it’s actually a disadvantage to defend a lord. That’s WRONG, it’s simply wrong. . honestly if they removed condi damage altogether and nerfed sustain the game would unimaginably more fun and decisive. kitten condi, it’s brainless spam while burst builds where about timing. What a horrible meta. How about anet finally splits the game modes ?
Meh I don’t care about CONDI ele, only scepter focus burst ele and anet deleted the sigils it needed. My favorite build in the game and “poof” it’s gone. I chose to play FA ele under the idea that I would never get a nerf because my build is under powered and from 2012. OH my did I underestimate anets ability to ruin everything. I honestly might never play spvp again after this patch.
This last patch . . . wow anet really? FA ele was almost viable spvp, How am I supposed to run it without air and blood? It was already so under powered omg this is terrible.
Are we talking to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzeybOWUN4I Feanor btw? your ele is really skillful and I enjoy your YT content. TBH though with the air overload nerfs and the buff to arc lighting I much prefer arcane over tempy with SF ele . But still ele is a mad science and and whatever works I guess, your probably a much better player then I am so what do I know.
Ele still has top DPS over large hitboxes (with Sc/Wh) and moderate DPS over small boxes (Sc/Wh)
Staff (e.g. ez mode) has been nerfed though.
Ez mode? How is staff ez mode? just because you were attacking at range its not easy mode. And how is D/Wh fresh air overload spam harder than it?
Staff you had to rely on teammates to get aggro off you.
Uhmmmm, Dps doesn’t determine Aggro on the majority of all encounters in this game and no Boss in Raids has ever had Dps determine aggro…… The only time Raid bosses had a set aggro is based on Toughness/proximity nothing else, then there is the fixation mechanics on a select few bosses which is all but random for all intents and purpose.
Staff was ez mode due to Meteor shower Spam and air overload Spam for the most part.
And if your comment was in regards to WvW, staff is still ez mode with the amount of kiting that is possible with it in large scale fights, and yes opponents focus on the glass backline Eles because they would be extremely stupid to allow glass Eles to free cast on them, but again if the sides are approx even the Eles have a few decent tools to kite using Staff with proper positioning and kiting, between weapon skills and utilities.
Your incredibly wrong I doubt you are above rank 100 in wvw with a perspective like that. Playing a glass staff ele in the MELEE META puts an unbelievable amount of pressure on any sort of ranged person to stay alive while the commander yolo pushes PAST ENEMY groups (this is how the melee meta works) .Now for damage you can either play a condi necro or our classic back line staff ele. Necro is going to do 4-5 times as much damage, have 3.3 k armor, and 60 k hp with shroud so it can easilly push with the melee meta. This is why dps necro has replaced backline glass ele, guess you might not of been on wvw in the last few months though, the meta changes so fast.
lol someone is out of touch, mesmer and ranger are more demanded then elementalist these days. No commander wants eles anymore and anet doesn’t want people playing elementalist whatsoever because it sees to much play in pve.
Stopped playing ele after the last nerf. You would think the squishiest class in the game.
i dunno about that, they are just as tanky as most other class’s. at 2500 armour/18k health and with all of the auras/protection they chuck out i rate them very durable, and thats with out building to play frontline aura share (wvw) not sure abut spvp but thats an amulet issue.
Don’t play aurashare anymore, you’ll replace your rev’s much better regen stacks and actually kill your party.
Meteor shower needs to do full damage against siege in wvw, Our class has been totally replaced by revenant and necromancer for either damage or healing builds, we have nothing and on top of everything you make it so meteor no longer takes out arrow carts. Seriously though, why are you trying to make elementalist players quit the game.
Lot’s of people in this topic seem to be replying form their blob point of view. Well yes then condis arent much as a problem as smallscale.
Yes they are, the class that abuses the overpowered condi stats just changes, are you a condi mesmer main trying to delude the truth about how this game is balanced atm ? rofl 20 bucks says I’m right xD
idk, your much squishier and the power, precision,ferocity, and healing power are going to do all of jack kitten, but that has more to do with how power damage sucks ass atm with any class. Maybe, I have a set of full ascended celestial, I might try it out, tbh though I’ve also heard a lot of good players dismiss cele necro on several occasions, but hey why not. Any chance you could link me a build for cele stats? if not that’s fine, I’m sure it’s not rocket science.
Swear to god, there are so many bad players in this thread.
1: You shouldn’t be cleansing condis as soon as you get them. Wait until they are threatening your health.
2: Whatever build you’re running, no matter how good you are, there’s a counter build to it. If you running no or almost no condi clears, and you fight a condi class, you will most likely die. If you change your build to deal with that, then you will be on a more even playing field and then, depending on your skill, can kill him.
All I hear is people who just don’t want to adapt and have anet change the whole game for them so they can win against a condi class. Time and again, there is thread after thread for Anet remove this, Anet remove that, with very little justification. I never, ever have seen anything more than anecdotal evidence in these. The fact that there is so much dissention to the OP and any thread asking to nerf dire/trailblazer should, maybe, let you know that the problem is you, and not Anet.
Do there need to be a few minor, and I stress minor, tweeks? Maybe, and I’m sure some devs are constantly looking at things, but in a sterile environment.
why do I get the feeling if it was even more broken (let’s say traiblazer had as much condi damage as rabid and still had expertise with an addition of 1000 more armor) you would still say it’s fair. I’ve said the word maddening a few times in this thread, but atm your post is making me pull my hair out.
I don’t know what to do, anet why can a necro with 3.3 k armor and 60 k life do dozens of times more damage then my staff ele on marauder stats?
I want to cry,
Someone wake me up from this nightmare.
@Spurnshadow – Considering the last balance patch actually buffed tripwire, needle trap and caltrops, there is no way that Anet was going to nerf this build until the raid boss solo video popped up.
The nerf came about directly because of that. Anyone who believes otherwise is just wishful thinking
Wow that’s sad, but hey I still feel like dancing. Good riddance
Lol, the lack of balance is due to people not taking the cleanses they have the option to and then complaining when they die.
It would be like someone wearing zerk armor complaining about being one shot by power attacks.
The only way to “balance” condi vs power is to remove cleanse entirely and reduce condi damage to compensate. But then people will not need to make as many trade offs in their builds and the game will be oversimple for that reason.
Your kidding right? I’ll say my argument for a third time I guess,
A mara ele or mesmer vs a wanders necro or mesmer ends up being a very fair fight 1vs1 in spvp. In WvW the power players take the same stats and now the condi classes get dire and traiblazer making them lose no damage output while gaining 5 times as much defense. If you can’t see the obvious imbalance here then I doubt any any level of integrity exists in your character. Your probably just trolling so you can persist to spam your easy to use condi skills and do no work for your lootbags. I guess most wvw players are just karma train one pushers that have never touched spvp and what I am saying flies over their heads . . . (yes I know the curses passive trait, but that’s a very small loss of damage, same with the mesmer trait that makes clones cause bleeding, it’s almost nothing)
Condi builds are really not as strong as people make it out to be, it depends a lot on the player behind it as well as the player facing it. I’ve beaten plenty of condi necros, mesmers and thieves on a cavs/knights ranger
I agree what is said above
I am running full dires on Reaper so read my other post below.
Casually winning most 1vs5s because of broken stats that “are not overpowered” xD lol pretty good trolling. This is the kind of post I would just hide from and be embarrassed by if I was an anet dev.
lol after a year and a half of gw2 I am still only pve mastery rank 9, I don’t pve. PVE has nothing to do with why I like DBL. The objectives in DBL are so numerous it becomes easy to spot the patterns of enemy roamers, I’ll I do is hunt these people down. Nah I don’t know where to hide golems because I never play siege wars 2, things like “blink spots” are much more interesting to me. Honestly if any map has too much PVE it’s EBG not DBL.
I love dbl as well and would miss it immensely. It was actually my first map since I started playing gw2 right when HOT came out. I was honestly underwhelmed by alpine when I first saw it because DBL is so expansive and filled with places to go. It took me like 20 minutes to know every location on alpine in contrast. I prefer alpines keeps, but I much prefer DBLS towers. The alpine towers honesty completely suck compared to the towers in DBL. DBL is a fantastic map and Anet did a really good job with it, it honestly makes me sad how quick people are to dismiss because of it’s higher learning curve.
You guys complaining about DBL are probably the PUGS that hand over free loot bags to the enemy zergs all day in the extremely overplayed and worst map EBG. Do you guys even roam? Probably not because DBL is in my opinion the most fun map for roaming.
This is simply madness, My glass staff ele does a small percentile of the damage that a condi necro with 3.3 k armor and 60 k life with shroud can do. There is simply no arguing that this is fair.
I have no idea what your motivations for coming on the forums and lying about the balance is, I am very confused how anyone could come to the conclusion that trailblazer/dire isn’t immensely hurting the quality of the game without being an outright troll. As I said it’s maddening how your actively going out of your way to diminish the quality of this game by trying to give the devs a false impression of whats actually going on.
It’s hard to beat a wander’s/carrion necro 1vs1 in spvp atm on a mara build, the lies about being able to kill trailblazer classes the the same mara builds in wvw need to stop, that’s impossible. I am a gold 2 in spvp I’m no expert either, but these imbalances are so obvious and so overwhelming to the influence of the current wvw it’s staggering. Deceivers on the forums would have you believe no zerg even runs condi necro as if it’s under powered -_-. It’s simply madness please stop actively trying to ruin gw2.
“Marauder versus trailblazer should be a fair fight with equal skill, " You are a liar and a deceitful person. 100 percent chance of trolling here. This is just insulting dude. . . .
“Cleanses cannot save you if you aren’t in the right position in the first place.”
Dude, just stop, you can’t even dodge the epidemic once someone in your party get’kitten by it. You just die faster then one frame, how can you possibly defend this as fair? just compare that skill to meteor shower and cry after realizing just how much anet hates elementalist and love aids.
“So unless you actually have any constructive advice on “how to handle conditions” I suggest you try another thread.”
Your just a TROLL , a complete and utter troll that’s the only explanation how can you defend this meta? why do you defend this meta? is someone paying you ?
going to make this pretty obvious why this is a rude and pointless post only meant to troll and irritate people. . .
IT’ IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CLEANSE AFTER BEING HIT BY AN EPI BOMB, ANY SKILL WILL KILL YOU FROM CONFUSION!!!! GOOD LUCK EVEN HAVING A SINGLE FRAME TO ACTIVATE SKILLS OR EVEN SEE THE CONDITIONS. It’s UTTERLY unbelievable how people think epidemic is a “fair skill” please kitten you are completely and utterly wrong.
It’s utterly astonishing how people can defend these stats, by ignoring me your basically inferring you do indeed believe a fair fight a fair fight between a marauder build and a carrion build, is still fair if the carrion build uses trailblazer. The trolling these players are willing to do knows no bounds, it’s unbelievable. . . .
I’m just going to play some ranked until I forget that wvw balance is FUBAR ( helping me not care about it). It’s seriously depressing how in spvp the necromancer that could only have 560 toughness or 900 vitality and would be a fair fight for my marauder power build on wtv class, now gets to have 3.3k armor and 30k health while I am still taking marauders. Am just crazy ? how does this not utterly ruin the game balance?
Burn guardian is front line zerg meta, someone is out of touch. . .
anet deleted elementalist from the game because it doesn’t have a good way to use traiblazer stats and revs are now the meta frontline healer. Just compare meteor shower to epidemic and cry after realizing just to what extent anet hates elementalist. Not even wvw, staff ele isn’t viable in ANY GAME MODE currently in gw2.
If only staff had an invul CD like Obsidian Flesh, staff ele is viable in pretty much no section of the game and honestly while playing my S/F ele I’ve never seen a staff ele that wasn’t a free kill. Sorry but it’s true.
With that said I still play staff ele all the time myself mostly in wvw and therefore appreciate the time and effort put in to this guide anyway despite how much anet hates our class. GL HF ele players who attempt this.
So how long do I have till I don’t have on crit sigils for my Fresh Air elementalist? How much longer can I play my favorite build in the game which is going to get super nerfed by this change
Sigh most of you guys don’t even seem that in touch though, no commander wants pure range atm, and no commander wants anyone playing power stat over condition damage.
The epi meta sucks so much, it’s bound to change soon I guess.
Ele has like 10 percent of the healing potential a revenant does atm, rev can heal 11-14k every second. Good thing it’s automatically a kitten class since it’s not elementalist lol,
ele=best class. kitten it guys let’s just believe : D
“Another failure i often see is people running too hybrid. They spec as if they are pure support, then they kitten themselves with DPS gear. You are not being the best of both worlds, you are just being subpar at everything. Eles advantage is being able to specialize in many areas with he right gear/traits/weapon.”
Celestial style eles are pretty strong tbh, and it’s classic. With front line on ele you want at least some healing just to keep yourself up, and 3k armor is recommended.
Screw those who tell us to re log to rev, ele is the best class everything else is kitten.
I have two staff ele builds myself, but ranged simply isn’t meta on any class atm in gvg’s and such. Sure when you have 60 and are just karma training but otherwise no one would want this in a 15-30 vs 15-30. Mara is good of course, but Valkyrie/zerker combo is nice as well for glass staff ele for max ferocity.
lol I was getting off epidemic bombs in spvp months ago with my burn guardian friend Max before it was cool. (you can punch me now lol but it’s honest)
It’s an objectively poor play style for zerging as it’s luck based. The epi meta as I said before has about as much competitive merit as the monopoly board game, it’s an unplayable joke. I’ve opted just to stay on the sides of zerg fights recently as mesmer and of course not bother. We just have to wait for anet to notice and fix the game.
I don’t understand why people play mmo pve, it’s a really shallow version of single player hack and slash game. Try the Witcher three or dark souls instead. Gw2 is on my computer because it’s a MULTIPLAYER GAME. I’ll never understand why skinner box mmo pve is enjoyable by anyone.
I guess he just needed to dodge?!? not op at all oh wait it’s unavoidable xD I CANNOT believe people are doubling down on epi being fair, your absolutely absurd. If it’s not broken then why are ten trailblazers necros in every single serious zerg? in fact every other class in zerging (only rev and guard least diverse zerg meta of all time atm) is currently working it’s build around helping necros do epidemic. IT HAS TWICE THE SIZE OF METEOR SHOWER FOR SOME GODkitten REASON, kitten ANET FIX YOUR GAME!!
WvW has about as much competitive merit as monopoly in the current meta, until this skill is reworked/temporarily deleted the game mode is somewhat unplayable.
It’s objectively hurting the quality of the game since killing an enemy team is now just about landing epidemic bombs, we have the least diverse zerg meta that guild wars 2 has probably ever had. It’s unplayable and totally luck based, the zerging meta atm has about as much competitive merit as the monopoly board game. Anet can either fix this or lose players who refuse to play a broken game mode.
