Guild Wars 2

Nothing new lol. Was playing a daze spam maul build with a tiger in s1/s2. Felt pretty awsome melting ppl every once in a while. Versus ppl with half a brain it doesnt fare that well.

fumcheg.1936:

Quintoozla.7893:

fumcheg.1936:

It is really funny how rangers protect dat broken pet with phrases like “you want to destroy our only damaging pet” while still sitting with cele amulets (or what is going to substitude it after the “balance” patch).

Bristleback damage should be cuted significantly. If you want to provide high damage – switch to berserk/marauder like everyone else is forced to.

Forced to. Yeah don´t mention the sustain that many classes have even with zerker amulet.

Donno what sustain you are talking about. The only oversustained dps class now is scrapper, wich I believe will be nerfed eventually, and revenant, which is broken as well (can’t do any predictions about it).
Every class is sacrificing its defensive stats to provide high dps except rangers.

I don’t mind against current Bristleback damage but not while his owner is a bunker.

So the idea that you throw condis on the druid after CAF is unknown to you? And no every class isnt sacrificing defensive stats to provide high dps. Herald/Scrapper as you said it yourself. It is all arguable. Even DHs have good sustain if they play it right.
In what sense is druid a bunker. 2v1 kills it. You can kill it even in a 1v1 with certain classes/builds. Dies to focus fire pretty easily.
In my books its just a good side node contester. Good at 1v1s if played right.
And as i already said take celestial away and what have you got. Ever tried crusader amulet on a druid? 3k toughness decent healing power and you have to run for your life if you get +1ed.
I am beginning to understand where all the whining comes. Ive seen it in ranked too much. You go close. Druid comes. You ping. Noone comes. You end in a stalemate. Or you kill it if he is below decent. Or you get killed because you ignored the pet.
I wish i could ignore other classes class mechanics too. What mesmer shatters? Why should i even dodge them. What that DH has me tethered? Why should i even pay attention to it. What? The necro popped shroud? Why cant i kill him in 2 hits he was at 2k hp.
Im done with this thread. Nerf away.

Krysard.1364:

Quintoozla.7893:

You do understand that bristleback is the only thing going for rangers. Remove that and you got a build/class thats not going to be taken anywhere.

What do you think about fixing Bristle dmg and buffing ranger on another way? Smth that doesnt promote bunker druids doing most of their dmg through their pet

As i have said in this thread. Fix the number of spikes it shoots to what its supposed to. There 25% dmg shaved off. Imho whatever way you buff druids people are going to whine.

fumcheg.1936:

It is really funny how rangers protect dat broken pet with phrases like “you want to destroy our only damaging pet” while still sitting with cele amulets (or what is going to substitude it after the “balance” patch).

Bristleback damage should be cuted significantly. If you want to provide high damage – switch to berserk/marauder like everyone else is forced to.

Forced to. Yeah don´t mention the sustain that many classes have even with zerker amulet.

Burtnik.5218:

The first thing im gonna do is hop on ranger notes and see if anything was done to the pet.. if yes then i will hop one hour later to taste delicious tears of rangers that cannot be carried by pets anymore.

Wow. This coming from a rev main. You do understand that bristleback is the only thing going for rangers. Remove that and you got a build/class thats not going to be taken anywhere.
Honestly l2p you can kitten druids on a condi rev and yet you stand here demanding rangers to be trash tier. Unreal. What is rangers sustain any good without pet dmg?
Besides come the removal of celestial its only gonna get worse. I run a crusader druid build. Toughness healing power and if i dont play at my best im gonna get rekt by anything. Seriously l2p scrub. All i have to say to you.

Folks there is no arguing with these people. They want their cake and they want it now.
And remember if this whining makes ranger trash tier again these people are just going to forget that ranger exists and move on.

Kayberz.5346:

Alekt.5803:

If pets are doing so much from the result of hitting (Bristle being ranged; Smokescale having a blink attack), maybe the other pets should be have reworks to get to their level.

Hmm lets see, whats a more reasonable approach, rework about 30-40 different pets OR rework just 2?

Yeah lets nerf the 2 pets into the ground so that all the pets could be trash tier useless. After all rangers are supposed to be free kills. They cant have nice things.

vlad.4871:

or they should nerf bristle and smokescale

So that you could return to ignoring pets?

Nova Stiker.8396:

Quintoozla.7893:

Nova Stiker.8396:

Quintoozla.7893:

Nova Stiker.8396:

Yasi.9065:

Chaith.8256:

I’ve seen 16khp players insta die to Glyph of the Tides -> Ancient Seeds proc, -> F2. Losing to Cele Druid in 4 seconds. Really, Bristleback has too much burst potential, everyone thinks this, but few are able to really hit that home with any consistency.

Both conquest and stronghold have enough obstacles to dodge behind. Yes, I know… its a pain… but when I engage a druid I always have either reflect on ready and up as soon as he switches to bristleback.
Or, when playing a build without reflect, I position myself in a way that makes it easy for me to duck behind a corner/wall/fence/tree/rock/outcropping/whatever.

Bristlebacks do NOT resposition themselves for a clear line of sight to target. Its their biggest weakness.

But of course, most of the time Im still using them as a druid, because the amount of players that duck/reflect the attack is so small…. thanks to anet’s “pvp for casuals” policy.

Im all for letting bristleback stay as it is. Its a wonderful training excercise for new/bad players that gets immediatly punished when failing.

But of course, thats also why anet will change the attack, dumb it down even more so bad players stop complaining and can win without learning a thing. Tunnelvisiont ftw.

/edit:
Btw? Bristleback is pretty much useless after his F2 and can be ignored then. Its dmg is significantly lower if F2 isnt activated immediatly after swapping pets. Getting the picture now?
Really, reading this thread is like watching 70% of all pvp players tunnelvision their way to close, just to die there because they didnt look on minimap and realize… oh kitten, theres 3 enemies on close, Im gonna be all alone there. No, they run there nonetheless with “killkillkillkillkill” faces. I think I said it before but…. tunnelvision ftw.

No player should abandon a point just to avoid a pet minigun. If anything I’d rather players die keeping a point than try to outbunker a druid while being decapped for 2 minutes.

And Bristleback is useless after F2? How? I always press F4 immediately after.

By that logic no player should abandon the point due to necro/mesmer wells or dh traps either. Just die on point.

You fail to understand 1 pet skill trade =/= 3-4 utilities trade.

I perfectly understand that you want pets to be a bunch of pixels able to be ignored.

I perfectly understand you want your pet to do all your damage for you.

Sigh. Not by a mile. I don´t even use bristleback. All it needs is the spike number fixed. Still remaining a threat to be considered. These forums are just hilarious. Now when you can´t demant nerfs to mesmers anymore, the good old ranger gets the hate. The season is over and suddenly ranger pets are OP. Lol where were you 2 months ago.

Nova Stiker.8396:

Quintoozla.7893:

Nova Stiker.8396:

Yasi.9065:

Chaith.8256:

I’ve seen 16khp players insta die to Glyph of the Tides -> Ancient Seeds proc, -> F2. Losing to Cele Druid in 4 seconds. Really, Bristleback has too much burst potential, everyone thinks this, but few are able to really hit that home with any consistency.

Both conquest and stronghold have enough obstacles to dodge behind. Yes, I know… its a pain… but when I engage a druid I always have either reflect on ready and up as soon as he switches to bristleback.
Or, when playing a build without reflect, I position myself in a way that makes it easy for me to duck behind a corner/wall/fence/tree/rock/outcropping/whatever.

Bristlebacks do NOT resposition themselves for a clear line of sight to target. Its their biggest weakness.

But of course, most of the time Im still using them as a druid, because the amount of players that duck/reflect the attack is so small…. thanks to anet’s “pvp for casuals” policy.

Im all for letting bristleback stay as it is. Its a wonderful training excercise for new/bad players that gets immediatly punished when failing.

But of course, thats also why anet will change the attack, dumb it down even more so bad players stop complaining and can win without learning a thing. Tunnelvisiont ftw.

/edit:
Btw? Bristleback is pretty much useless after his F2 and can be ignored then. Its dmg is significantly lower if F2 isnt activated immediatly after swapping pets. Getting the picture now?
Really, reading this thread is like watching 70% of all pvp players tunnelvision their way to close, just to die there because they didnt look on minimap and realize… oh kitten, theres 3 enemies on close, Im gonna be all alone there. No, they run there nonetheless with “killkillkillkillkill” faces. I think I said it before but…. tunnelvision ftw.

No player should abandon a point just to avoid a pet minigun. If anything I’d rather players die keeping a point than try to outbunker a druid while being decapped for 2 minutes.

And Bristleback is useless after F2? How? I always press F4 immediately after.

By that logic no player should abandon the point due to necro/mesmer wells or dh traps either. Just die on point.

You fail to understand 1 pet skill trade =/= 3-4 utilities trade.

I perfectly understand that you want pets to be a bunch of pixels able to be ignored.

Nova Stiker.8396:

Yasi.9065:

Chaith.8256:

I’ve seen 16khp players insta die to Glyph of the Tides -> Ancient Seeds proc, -> F2. Losing to Cele Druid in 4 seconds. Really, Bristleback has too much burst potential, everyone thinks this, but few are able to really hit that home with any consistency.

Both conquest and stronghold have enough obstacles to dodge behind. Yes, I know… its a pain… but when I engage a druid I always have either reflect on ready and up as soon as he switches to bristleback.
Or, when playing a build without reflect, I position myself in a way that makes it easy for me to duck behind a corner/wall/fence/tree/rock/outcropping/whatever.

Bristlebacks do NOT resposition themselves for a clear line of sight to target. Its their biggest weakness.

But of course, most of the time Im still using them as a druid, because the amount of players that duck/reflect the attack is so small…. thanks to anet’s “pvp for casuals” policy.

Im all for letting bristleback stay as it is. Its a wonderful training excercise for new/bad players that gets immediatly punished when failing.

But of course, thats also why anet will change the attack, dumb it down even more so bad players stop complaining and can win without learning a thing. Tunnelvisiont ftw.

/edit:
Btw? Bristleback is pretty much useless after his F2 and can be ignored then. Its dmg is significantly lower if F2 isnt activated immediatly after swapping pets. Getting the picture now?
Really, reading this thread is like watching 70% of all pvp players tunnelvision their way to close, just to die there because they didnt look on minimap and realize… oh kitten, theres 3 enemies on close, Im gonna be all alone there. No, they run there nonetheless with “killkillkillkillkill” faces. I think I said it before but…. tunnelvision ftw.

No player should abandon a point just to avoid a pet minigun. If anything I’d rather players die keeping a point than try to outbunker a druid while being decapped for 2 minutes.

And Bristleback is useless after F2? How? I always press F4 immediately after.

By that logic no player should abandon the point due to necro/mesmer wells or dh traps either. Just die on point.

ErazorZ.5209:

Quintoozla.7893:

ErazorZ.5209:

Quintoozla.7893:

ErazorZ.5209:

Hammerguard.9834:

So now we’re comparing a single skill to an entire profession mechanic? And lets just pretend 15k is a thing.

Brilliant. You win thread.

Just to show you how ‘punishing and quickly’ druids die.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjJwuP5zGo

So tanking uplevels and random pvers shows how OP druid is? Ok

Well it shows they can sustain. Wich is primarely what im trying to get at here.

I think the weakest argument so far is that the AI of the pet is bad, so its ‘ok’ to do berserker damage. Wich is inherently flawed. Its still an NPC that almost does everything by itself damage wise.

Well if you look around on youtube you can see many professions sustaining 1vX in WvW. You can LoS, dodge, interrupt the pet, use blocks, reflects, invuls. The moment you have to watch out for the pet the world ends. Watch leetos video lol. You can clearly see when the druid switches and the paintrain is about to come what does leeto do? Whines how stupid druid is.
Now i agree the dmg could be lower. But making it a gamebreaking, unbeatable thing is absurd.
Anyways as long you dont touch my tiger you can delete bristleback lol.

Yes you are correct on that multiple classes can do just that. Maybe my WvW example wasnt the best. What my intent was to show you guys that druid and tempest currently have the highest sustain in the game in regards to pvp.

If ele’s elemental elite did the same damage as brisstle you too would get your jimmies brisstled.

Probably not. I play multiple professions. And i have no problems with bristleback. Because i know i cannot ignore it and have to watch out for it. So applying that logic i cannot just ignore and facetank elemental elite either.

ErazorZ.5209:

Quintoozla.7893:

ErazorZ.5209:

Hammerguard.9834:

So now we’re comparing a single skill to an entire profession mechanic? And lets just pretend 15k is a thing.

Brilliant. You win thread.

Just to show you how ‘punishing and quickly’ druids die.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjJwuP5zGo

So tanking uplevels and random pvers shows how OP druid is? Ok

Well it shows they can sustain. Wich is primarely what im trying to get at here.

I think the weakest argument so far is that the AI of the pet is bad, so its ‘ok’ to do berserker damage. Wich is inherently flawed. Its still an NPC that almost does everything by itself damage wise.

Well if you look around on youtube you can see many professions sustaining 1vX in WvW. You can LoS, dodge, interrupt the pet, use blocks, reflects, invuls. The moment you have to watch out for the pet the world ends. Watch leetos video lol. You can clearly see when the druid switches and the paintrain is about to come what does leeto do? Whines how stupid druid is.
Now i agree the dmg could be lower. But making it a gamebreaking, unbeatable thing is absurd.
Anyways as long you dont touch my tiger you can delete bristleback lol.

ErazorZ.5209:

Hammerguard.9834:

So now we’re comparing a single skill to an entire profession mechanic? And lets just pretend 15k is a thing.

Brilliant. You win thread.

Just to show you how ‘punishing and quickly’ druids die.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjJwuP5zGo

So tanking uplevels and random pvers shows how OP druid is? Ok

Just leaving this here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KBFKj2uJcc
I just pretty much imagine you guys wanting the nerfs like leeto raging hue hue.

Ithilwen.1529:

anet listens to volume. Reason appears to be a secondary consideration. The gameplay after the patch will vindicate what I’m saying.

Don´t be so gloomy. See how the patch plays out first. The negative attitude is not going to get you anywhere.

Fewer mesmers in ranked? Good. Seeing atleast 3 of em every match gets old kinda quick.
How can you possibly defend the current chronobunker is beyond me. As i said earlier the patch has not even gone live. Wait til tuesday. Try different setups. And if you are still getting rekt by rapid fire, come cry more on forums.

And most people here on forums find your moaning a little silly. Rapid Fire too OP confirmed.

Ithilwen.1529:

Welcome back to the zerker meta that anet allegedly wanted to change. There will no longer be skilled gameplay. Just land your combo first and be the winner.

Skill is dead, all hail the mighty faceroll.

So playing a chronobunker snoozefest is skillful? “Oh you got the chrono down. NP mate second chronocrap to the rescue. 3 guys cleaving NP. Thanks for the ress bro.”
But i do give props for the multitasking. I find it hard to play, eat a sandwhich and watch Friends at the same time.

Once you cant play while eating a burrito rather than paying attention what you are doing suddenly anet is ruining the game.

To ross biddle and serious kitten: L2P. Besides….what pvp team?

DarkSyze.8627:

Here is solution. (Yes! it will be challenge and fun. Yes! it will have Risk/Reward)

Square Enix: Final Fantasy XIV Upcoming New Expansion: Heavensward: New Job/Profession-

Machinist/Engineer

“Machinist is a ranged DPS job introduced in 2014 Fan Fest in Tokyo. Machinist is the gun-wielding job scheduled to be released in Heavensward. The job’s main weapon is the Firearm and requires no base class. Machinist will use specialized mechanical equipment such as attachments to the firearm along with deploy-able turrets.

Using deployable turrets, Machinist can perform a support style role in addition to the DPS role. The turrets can attack enemies, debuff enemies or buff allies.
When using attachments on his gun, Machinist increases his DPS and transforms his weapon to something similar to a cannon. He will charge up before an attack and movement will cancel the attack and reset the charge. If you need to be constantly on the move, don’t use attachments. Gun actions require a stacking gunpowder(or ammo) buff. Learning when to reload will be an important skill. Machinist will also be able to summon a machine companion to battle for assistance"

Master Darksyze game this no Final Fantasy no? Hrmmmh? Game is Guild Wars 2.

Quintoozla.7893:

Saturn.6591:

So if they are so well-known… why was everyone so incredibly surprised that they won the WTS? After all, you would think that well-known skilled players are expected to do good in a tournament, with a realistic chance for the title. Yet, after their victory, everyone seemed to be incredibly surprised, like something unthinkable happened. Kinda doesn’t make sense to me; thus I assumed they weren’t really known before.

Edit: To answer the question; no I didn’t know about TCG. All I’ve seen from TCG myself is the tag written somewhere. And for CM, I know even less. CM for me means Caudecus’ Mansion, and that despite me playing much more PvP than dungeons. ;P

Because Abjurred was pretty much the only god tier team in NA and roflstomped other NA teams so ppl thought “omg Abjured hasnt lost in months dem bois gana win kek lol bur”. The first WTS was won by Abjured and they played against TCG who came in second. Then ROM n Tage left TCG and formed their dream team oRNG and roflstomped Abjured in WTS 2. Months of farming lesser teams didnt do the Abjured any good. Bedtime story over.

PS. By everyone do you mean NA ppl? Cuz the true EU believers knew that Abjured is gonna go down.

If 4 ppl cant kill 1 player…. then the problem isnt the game mechanics… the problem lies between the seat and keyboard….. you people srsly

DarkSyze.8627:

Thief, Cele-Engineer and Cele-Elementalist

Thief-+insant access to stealth-reset fight anytime want because of free reward> Permanant-Stealth: with instant access heal/remove all condition while in stealth
Cele-Engineer/Elementalist- Instant Access to Unlimited Defenses /Offence and can Tank/Heal in same time with no effort or risk required.

3-4 tank players is joke to these class because they have no risk. No Risk? How about tank 1-12 player sound?

Master Darksyze learn game shouldnt you be?

Experience learning is? Is learning experience. Many fall shall. Until better Darksyze gets. Is not? Herpa durr hurr kitten a yoda yo yo.

It´s hilarious how every patch breaks something and the bug is left to collect dust for god knows how long.

DarkSyze.8627:

Quintoozla.7893:

DarkSyze.8627:

SlayerSixx.5763:

Guard is supposed to be a team player. Interestingly enough, some if the best support comes from NON guardian classes. Just food for thought.

There is only 2 class in the game that are build for support: warrior and guardian: no matter what build they use.

Stop right there. Yes you. Instead of sharing your unfathomable lack of knowledge of the game you should learn to play first. Why do you insist on making balance suggestions when you dont even know how to properly play your main?

So everyone here know how i play guardian? I find it interesting because i talk about my experience only? Experience is Experience. No one can tell you how to experience, No one can correct your experience-tell you it is good or bad, No one can judge you because of your experience and No one can force your experience to be like them.

I understand i need more practice: everyone need practice to learn and get better but my experience is my experience: it already happen: i can not change it.

I can make new experience only: i take suggestion.

That is all

Then play the darn game instead of spewing nonsense on the forums. And yes most here have a pretty good idea how you play your healaway guardian. In the downstate.

DarkSyze.8627:

SlayerSixx.5763:

Guard is supposed to be a team player. Interestingly enough, some if the best support comes from NON guardian classes. Just food for thought.

There is only 2 class in the game that are build for support: warrior and guardian: no matter what build they use.

Stop right there. Yes you. Instead of sharing your unfathomable lack of knowledge of the game you should learn to play first. Why do you insist on making balance suggestions when you dont even know how to properly play your main?

Lopez.7369:

Like I mentioned this when I reported this a few weeks ago, don’t be surprised if they take a few months to fix this. While every other MMO or MOBA company would fix this within a few hours, ArenaNet lets bugs like this linger for months. Just look at how long they took to fix poison when it literally didn’t reduce healing at all, or how long they’ve taken to address friendly rallying.

I am really looking forward to it happening in a tournament, though.

and it did happen lol xD

Henrik.7560:

Fluffball.8307:

Elitist.8701:

Obviously ranger is slightly harder to play and is more vulnerable, but I still hate it nonetheless.

SLIGHTLY harder to play than turret engi? A berserker build with little or no condi removal is SLIGHTLY harder to play than turret engi?

You sit at 2000-2500 sniping 4k auto attack. Aids engis dont have that.

Most hated builds to me are
Aids engi
Cele Ele
Cele Engi
Pew Pew ranger

All are equally low skill high reward and kittenes to fight.

“You sit at 2000-2500 sniping 4k auto attack” are we playing the same spvp?

I just read through his ranger thread. And now this gem. Oh boy… this guy.. i just… i can´t even… no words…what in the name of…. how….. lolwut… why… tomato.

I´ve been instagibbed by a stealthing thief while 1v1 countless times. Seeing a thief with bad latency cry about a rifle warrior and demand buffs to thief dmg is just mind numbingly hilarious to no end. I´m suspecting the OP is an epic troll though lol.

insanemaniac.2456:

Quintoozla.7893:

I find it funny that before WTS everybody was like NA>EU blah blah blah, Now NA got rekt in the WTS and ya´ll trying to find a reason why Abjured lost. I´ll give you a simple reason: oRNG played better. They were hungry and wanted to win more. As simple as that. Now quit your kittenness and move on. NA will get their chance in the next WTS.
But till then…….EU>NA deal with it huehuehuehue.

analyzing why you lost is the first step to getting better broski

I might have used the wrong word Excuse not reason.

I find it funny that before WTS everybody was like NA>EU blah blah blah, Now NA got rekt in the WTS and ya´ll trying to find a reason why Abjured lost. I´ll give you a simple reason: oRNG played better. They were hungry and wanted to win more. As simple as that. Now quit your kittenness and move on. NA will get their chance in the next WTS.
But till then…….EU>NA deal with it huehuehuehue.

My saladhead ranger

uberkingkong.8041:

Why yall take unranked games so serious? You guys arent even being ranked, hence unranked.

Course your being trolled by premades, they there to troll you all day in unranked.

Just like how good players, solo, troll newbs in hotjoins all day.

You want the fair games play ranked.

Dont worry, I scared all the premades away, they dont want me losing the game, but coming out of the game with a finisher on there kitten dead screenshot style because I wooped there kitten .

They prefer to own newb solo que’ers who think just because its unranked it means easier wins….
WRONG dude.
Unranked does not equal easy wins.
Hotjoins does not equal place for newbs to practice PvP.
Ranked equals good fair games, plus you get a mini llama for your dedication to the game.
Only idiots do hotjoins and unranked. Only time you should do hotjoin is to do your daily.

Unranked is easier wins for the trolls thats all too it, yall need to learn and stop getting farmed lol.

I seriously doubt you scare anybody at all.

uberkingkong.8041:

After i win a bunch of matches solo Que all day than seeing no good players playing, logoff.

All the good players too scared to rank que when im online. No fun playing with news, i want to screenshot me finishing good players.

but but but grouch said you are average

Anet plz dilit ur geim itz too hardd 4 mi