Guild Wars 2

Ruggy.7819:

People still crying over this change.. get a grip please, this is something that is ONLY good for the game, the fact players took it upon themselves to time/camp/farm events that were designed to be cool one off’s is a shining example of when a dev should step in and alter this toxic playstyle.. think about it for more then 30 seconds before posting more tears :P

Yea…and now people will simply go back to farming plinx and temples over and over and over and over…..

Pennry.9215:

Robbyx.1284:

TESO cant be released fast enough for me…then i can leave Anet behind and pretend it was all a bad dream.

lol at these statements. Just leave already.

This “fix” won’t do anything for overflowing. People will still all cram in at their optimal play time and still cause overflows. Now you might get lucky and be able to hit the boss’s second rotation and make it. Well, that is if you’re play time allows it.

EDIT: Still want some answers to clarify this change.

You havent read the nerf have you ?

One guaranteed rare, per account, per day…..and it will solve the overflow because no one will waste their time running multiple events now….standing around for over an hour waiting for Jormag with little to no chance of a rare is not fun for anyone.

In fact i can see everyone running the easy events like SB or Maw and the dragons will rarely see people at them…there will simply be no incentive.

killcannon.2576:

Robbyx.1284:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Robbyx.1284:

Fiddlestyx.9714:

Anet needs to make the spawn timer truly random.

BAM, problems solved.

Oh yea, thats a great idea…we already have to stand around waiting for spawn windows…now you want everyone to stand around for hours just waiting for a 2 minute fight.

There is already a pathetically long waiting time for “endgame events”, and you want to make it even longer…."better to remain silent and be thought a fool…etc etc ".

Maybe take some of your own advice and stop waiting around.. only fool I see here is the one wanting to camp the events in the first place.
Do something else instead… you choose to stand around waiting for ages no one forces you to… that way the events will likely last longer than 30 seconds and you will have more chance of getting to it when it spawns.

Good plan genius….so what do we do for ectos ? wander the countryside looking for a friendly ecto salesman ?

The game already has an extremely weak end game, these events are one of the few things keeping most lvl 80’s busy and in the game.

Try thinking before posting.

Well you could do what some other people do…..kill stuff anywhere, do temple events in orr, dungeons. I don’t personally run a bunch of dungeons, but from just running around in Orr and in lower areas I normally clear 3 to 4 rares a day plus a ton of other drops including crafting mats, blues, and greens. Plus I’m actually out in the world, helping people and being a part of the community. Granted it’s not the 40 plus rares I could get from just farming the chest events, but I find it more rewarding regardless. before you say it, I am for more loot on champs and vets and in event chests.

Well im happy for you that you have good luck and manage to pull 3 or 4 rares a day….before the “events farming” i managed to pull one, yes one rare from open world drops…now with the up coming loot nerf, that effectively excludes me from getting any chance at a legendary.

It is simply a case of Anet of hitting legitimate players…again.

TESO cant be released fast enough for me…then i can leave Anet behind and pretend it was all a bad dream.

Fiddlestyx.9714:

Anet needs to make the spawn timer truly random.

BAM, problems solved.

Oh yea, thats a great idea…we already have to stand around waiting for spawn windows…now you want everyone to stand around for hours just waiting for a 2 minute fight.

There is already a pathetically long waiting time for “endgame events”, and you want to make it even longer…."better to remain silent and be thought a fool…etc etc ".

OP, that must have been one crappy MMO you went back to…GW2 has nice graphics, thats about it….i paid my money, got my monies worth, had fun…but am now desperately waiting for the next “big thing”.

dinominator.9862:

Robbyx.1284:

Thank you, class ended.

Professor, I found your textbook.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moa

I already knew about the Moa, it is part of history classes here, i used the wiki for bullet points rather than me prattle on about it.
My cities museum has a nice collection of reconstructed Moa skeletons.
As i said, they were massive birds, im 6’ 5’ and they tower over me.

The Moa was a real bird, now extinct, indigenous to New Zealand.
They were the only true wingless birds, not even having vestigial wings that all over flightless birds have.

In reality they ranged from 3-4 feet tall, right up to around 12 feet tall and weighing over 500 pounds……they were huge, ive stood beside the reconstructed skeletons.

Their only true predator was the Haasts eagle, the largest of the true raptors….then man arrived in New Zealand in the form of the indigenous Maori peoples in 1300….the Moa was all but extinct by around 1400…with the loss of the Moa, the Haasts eagle also went extinct.

There have been many “sightings” of Moa in modern NZ, but none that have ever been proven….the Moa is like our “bigfoot”….reported sightings pop up now and then but are generally treated as a bit of a joke.

Thank you, class ended.

DreamyAbaddon.3265:

GW2 has a lot of depth in Combat.
Check out this Video on how in depth the combat really is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLNgkZDHOIs

You also want to check this Next video to see all 8 Professions Full Potential:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b1D7-2Gypg

I hope this helps you out! Good Luck! =)

All your videos do is highlight how shallow and one dimensional the combat is.

To everyone else…..chill and just take it as it comes, play and dont expect anything from Gw2, play for fun and just wait for the next “big game” to come out…shouldnt be to far away.

maddoctor.2738:

Robbyx.1284:

Teulius.8752:

Guild wars 2 a mediocre stereotypical mmorpg? What the hell are you talking about?
I’ve been playing tons of different mmrogps for the past 8 years of my life (wow, tera, gw1 warhammer online, aion just to name a few), some of them pay2play and some of them free2play. There must be at least a hundred mmrogps that I’ve tried and let me tell you one thing, Guild wars 2 might not be THE best mmorpg out there but without a freaking doubt it is the most original and revolutionary mmorpg out there.

Please tell me what is original and revolutionary about GW2….im not being smart, im genuinely interested in what you see in GW2 that you think hasnt been done before.

Dynamic Event system, far superior (and different) to anything Rift or Warhammer Online ever did.

Active Combat, ok there have been RPGs with more emphasis in combat, but never a real blend between types like in Guild Wars 2

No trinity, no “roles” in combat. OK maybe there are some roles but not as strictly defined as in other games, nor the same. In this feature I must add the “no threat”, there is no threat management/generation skills/abilities (Thank goodness)

Weapon system/Skill system, it is funny how it is now being copied by the MMORPGs of the future. Limited Skillbars, Weapon-specific skills.

The World and Exploration. Vistas/POIs/Skill challenges, it’s the only MMORPG that is actually rewarding true exploration.

Just to name a few features

LOTRO has open world events, so does DDO in its “wilderness” areas.

DDO has a very similar combat system, only replacing dodge with block.

No “trinity” was clever PR spin, nothing more….in GW2 everyone is now DPS.

The weapon skill bar is something i hear discussed a lot…it is extremely limiting and gets old very quickly, you can have it maxed out all available skills open at level 10.

True exploration ? try LOTRO, it kicks GW2’s butt is that respect, and truly rewards exploration…if exploring is your “thing”, i would suggest you try LOTRO, no other game even comes close.

GW2 is a fun game no doubt, but nothing here is “new”…it is a new (and not always good) spin on current game mechanics.
Some are even archaic game mechanics that most MMO’s have already given up….take GW2 bosses for example, just the same old lame million hit point piñatas that even older games are moving away from.

Teulius.8752:

Guild wars 2 a mediocre stereotypical mmorpg? What the hell are you talking about?
I’ve been playing tons of different mmrogps for the past 8 years of my life (wow, tera, gw1 warhammer online, aion just to name a few), some of them pay2play and some of them free2play. There must be at least a hundred mmrogps that I’ve tried and let me tell you one thing, Guild wars 2 might not be THE best mmorpg out there but without a freaking doubt it is the most original and revolutionary mmorpg out there.

Please tell me what is original and revolutionary about GW2….im not being smart, im genuinely interested in what you see in GW2 that you think hasnt been done before.

TheDaiBish.9735:

1) There are people who want a grind-centric game? o.0

2) I’m pretty sure they said that we wouldn’t have to ‘grind’ constantly for higher-statted gear. Not that there’d be absolutely no ‘grind’ at all.

That being said, ‘grind’ is percieved.

Wrong…..two dev quotes…

1: “moving forward with the focus on zero grind and a very low power curve”
2: “We don’t make grindy games — we leave the grind to other MMOs.”

Clearly this is not the case and was said to harvest unsuspecting gamers…..however there is nothing wrong with grind, as long as there is a goal and it is rewarded.
This isnt the case in GW2, the RNG takes over and you can grind for 6 months and receive nothing for your efforts, while the first time dungeon noob wins a piece of loot that sets him up with gold for the rest of his time in GW2.

Obviously this is just the wrong way to go…skill, time, effort all lose out to the RNG…thats where the perception of “grind” becoming a negative thing comes into play.
GW2 is a grindy game, but not in a good way.

Legendaries are only cosmetic skins, nothing more….and not even the nicest skins in my opinion.

People want to excel in everything they do, sports, work and games…how is that a bad thing ?

You play football on the weekend for fun, others train 5 days a week and take it seriously…are they also pathetic and “should get over themselves” ?

This is just another “you don’t play like i do” thread.

Keiran.1896:

Actually it’s both.

Arenanet is trying to “throw money at the problem” by simply adding server capacity but server capacity is not enough ; your computer needs to receive all these informations about players around you and sometimes your connexion is not good enough to see them all.

So basically, if you want less culling, you need to have a very good connexion and wait for Arenanet to optimise their servers.

(I’m not an expert but that’s what I understood from reading what devs said.)

Epic battles with 300+ players in the same time are maybe not aimed at 2013.

In EVE online i routinely fight in 500+ player battles with no lag at all, i even took part in a 2,000+ person battle, and while it was laggy, it wasnt unplayable.

Incidently i run i7, 8gb RAM, dual sapphire raedon 6950’s in crossfire with a 25mb cable connection and i still get culling.

Sepreh.5924:

Robbyx.1284:

This is the first real content patch so far except for Southsun which was terrible (and no, events do not count, every single MMO does events and they dont count as content, they are fun fillers), anyway new content and a large section of players cant even participate…“you could if you really wanted to” i hear you say, yes i could join a large guild, i could grind influence, i could grind gold to buy it…but lets quote GW2’s motto “play it the way you want”….doesnt sound at all like what i want, so im effectively excluded from the content.

This is one of the worst instances and implementations of gated content i have ever seen, its not to late to turn it around, but its kitten close.

As further evidence….2 threads…

“This patch is awesome.”
“This patch is awful.”

Guess which one got locked .

Okay, so what I hear you saying is that you are frustrated that with this update and the new guild event system, particularly the fact that because you are not in a large guild it is excluding you from content. I can definitely understand that point and I cant imagine how frustrating it would be to put so much time and energy into a game you care about to find out that you are being excluded. The one thing I would just ask to do is give it a little time to see how things actually play out. If this does end up creating a long term gated content system, that is a problem and may need to change. If not, no harm done. Everyone should provide feedback but feedback after taking some time to see what repercussions, if any, the changes have had. At that point, we can all formulate a constructive criticism and hope that A-net (1) sees that we care and (2) takes it into consideration.

But I do feel for you man with regards to guild content. I am in a larger guild now (it has grown since it was a new guild my friend formed with a few of us following her from another guild) but can see where your concerns lie

Dude its not just the new patch…there is a very definite pattern forming here of broken and unfinished content right from launch…take the ranger for example, people have been saying how bad it is right from release, yet not a single thing has been done to address it…the class imbalance in this game is just terrible, there really is no other word for it, and rather than taking steps to correct it, it seems they only shift the imbalance around.

As i said, there is a pattern here and we’ve seen it before, and i can tell you it doesnt end well….if it was just this patch i wouldn’t be concerned at all, but it isn’t, and i am.

Sepreh.5924:

Robbyx.1284:

You must be new to MMO’s….those of us with experience can see where this is going, and how hard the devs are working is completely irrelevant if their work is being greeted with disdain from the players.

Right now a fair sized portion of the player base is extremely unhappy, and yes you can spout nonsense about “forum minority”, but those that have been playing MMO’s for a while know that the forums do represent a large portion of the player base….CCP tested this not long ago and it nearly cost them the game, and did indeed cost them (reportedly) millions of dollars.

As for your ridiculous “dont whine” pearl of wisdom….letting the devs know how unhappy we are is the only way of giving them feedback short of actually quitting, we dont want to quit and we dont want the game to fail, which is why people are so vocal in their displeasure…only an idiot would not take heed and tell these people “if you dont like it, quit”….people who say that garbage should be banned in my opinion, they are a detriment and a drain on the game in general.

No, we will stay here as long as we can stand it and keep trying to push the game away from the brink of destruction, and make no mistake, thats where it is heading, ive seen it, we’ve seen it, this is no new thing but Anet seems oblivious to the mistakes made of other companies in the past.

All the signs are there, we are heading down the same road as the other recent fail games that refused to listen…but you go ahead spouting “dont whine” and “take a break”, while you’re regurgitating that nonsense, we’ll be here trying to save the game.

I’m glad that you are able to share your infinite MMO wisdom with me. Thank you for showing me what an oblivious moron I am and helping me to realize that people like me will be the reason for the inevitable downfall of GW2.

Now I do agree that we have to give devs some feedback. That makes sense. But what I see on the forums today is a lot of people having catastrophic reactions to changes that were made that they haven’t even experienced yet.

And seriously, “we’ll be here trying to save the game”. Seriously?

This is the first real content patch so far except for Southsun which was terrible (and no, events do not count, every single MMO does events and they dont count as content, they are fun fillers), anyway new content and a large section of players cant even participate…“you could if you really wanted to” i hear you say, yes i could join a large guild, i could grind influence, i could grind gold to buy it…but lets quote GW2’s motto “play it the way you want”….doesnt sound at all like what i want, so im effectively excluded from the content.

This is one of the worst instances and implementations of gated content i have ever seen, its not to late to turn it around, but its kitten close.

As further evidence….2 threads…

“This patch is awesome.”
“This patch is awful.”

Guess which one got locked .

Sepreh.5924:

Quote my post next time. It will have more effect. Leave if you dont like the game. These guys are working their kitten off to try to produce a game that will morph into something that people attach themselves to. Dont whine, give them a break, let the game develop and if you hate it, take a break

You must be new to MMO’s….those of us with experience can see where this is going, and how hard the devs are working is completely irrelevant if their work is being greeted with disdain from the players.

Right now a fair sized portion of the player base is extremely unhappy, and yes you can spout nonsense about “forum minority”, but those that have been playing MMO’s for a while know that the forums do represent a large portion of the player base….CCP tested this not long ago and it nearly cost them the game, and did indeed cost them (reportedly) millions of dollars.

As for your ridiculous “dont whine” pearl of wisdom….letting the devs know how unhappy we are is the only way of giving them feedback short of actually quitting, we dont want to quit and we dont want the game to fail, which is why people are so vocal in their displeasure…only an idiot would not take heed and tell these people “if you dont like it, quit”….people who say that garbage should be banned in my opinion, they are a detriment and a drain on the game in general.

No, we will stay here as long as we can stand it and keep trying to push the game away from the brink of destruction, and make no mistake, thats where it is heading, ive seen it, we’ve seen it, this is no new thing but Anet seems oblivious to the mistakes made of other companies in the past.

All the signs are there, we are heading down the same road as the other recent fail games that refused to listen…but you go ahead spouting “dont whine” and “take a break”, while you’re regurgitating that nonsense, we’ll be here trying to save the game.

taek.9386:

A.Nets strategy -

Target the 5% of hardcore players and make them happy while royally screw the 95% of the casual player base

At any rate, they will be losing customers with a lot of new games coming out soon

Dont blame the hardcore players…from what i hear they are more upset than the casuals are.

No class balance at all, in fact they further unbalanced classes, still no meaningful end game content, guild missions that are bugged, very few viable builds, even less now.

Hardcore players have invested more time and effort into the game, thats essentially the definition of hardcore players, they stand to lose a lot more.

We all wanted to love the game, thats why we’re here, but i think its time to face the fact that this game is done, Anet have beaten it to death.

Poor Anet…no matter how hard they try they can never quite get it right….i mean its actually getting pretty embarrassing now to see them flailing around and still making mistakes this huge.

This is further dividing the community and essentially “gating” content, which is never a good idea…what do we casuals do ? do we wander the wilderness waiting for a mission to kick of that we can drop in on like an unwanted party guest….picking up the table scraps of the big guilds ?

Every single person in my guild has long left the game…i dont have time to dedicate to a large guild….so im not worthy of this new content ?
I prefer to solo, running into people and helping them where i can…and for this im being punished……“play it my way”, yea, sure thing.

Ive never actually said this about any game, ever….but this game is doomed, and i suspect the only reason the servers are still up is because people have already paid for the game, it seriously has no future.

Neural.1824:

Really starting to get disgusted with how Anet seems to treat support as just another facade that makes them look important to potential customers.

I’ll bet that if someone has trouble buying gemstones, the response lightning fast with impeccable service though.

I agree…as someone who drifts wide and far on the Internet i can tell you Anet’s reputation is not good, in fact amongst other games and game companies Anet is considered “a bit of a joke”.

Meglobob.8620:

I won’t dispute any of your maths…

But

I have found if you stack first vitality and then power, at low levels 1-30, you virtually never die and can tackle foes upto 5 levels ahead of you pretty ok’ish.

I also think toughness is to be avoided at low levels because low level critters really don’t do that much damage, so reducing it isn’t so effective beyond your armour anyway. However, at higher levels like 80, toughness becomes ALOT more important unless you like spending your time downed or dead…

Hmmm interesting…i pretty much go the opposite, almost all of my 9 characters all went to 10 power straight away before any other traits, and they were all wrecking balls at low levels. and i routinely run at about 2 levels over most of the time.

At 80 i always max out power with toughness as a dump stat and i seem to last longer than most guardians….i think what the OP was trying to say was you dont need to sacrifice as much as you think for survivability, and thats been my experience as well, i guess its just down to play style.

Star Ace.5207:

Robbyx.1284:

Blood red Arachnid…thank you, going to adjust some builds very soon based on your math……and i wouldnt worry about the hostility, you get it in every game where very casual players dont like hearing that their builds are less than perfect.

They like to think their 30 tough/30 vit warrior is king of the battlefield and is somehow equal to high DPS output builds…and constantly tell you “well, im still alive” even though they barely contributed to the fight, and fail to see that if they had a decent build the fight would have been over long ago.

Now im not saying for one second that everyone should have the cookie cutter builds, or that everyone should be min/maxing builds….but if you are a warrior with max tough/vit firing a longbow as standard, then you simply do suck and should avoid gimping groups with your woeful presence….or find a guild that is willing to carry you as baggage through quests/dungeons etc.

Again, thanks BRA….outstanding analysis.

-What’s the problem with casual players, and how are non-casual players “better players” just because they are not casual and “work” at playing GW2? (Nothing “wrong” with that per se, but the attitude is indeed horrible and inappropriate-elitist.)

-How is saying “you can use any build you want, and do not need min/maxing” and then following that by effectively saying “BUT if you don’t play with my cookie cutter max DPS build, you are gimping the party, thus playing it wrong” any semblance of open-mindedness and tolerance? You are clearly contradicting yourself.

Play with your numbers all you want, if that makes you happy, but math won’t make you “the better player”, as much as you’d like to think that about yourself. It just isn’t all about calculations, but about what really works for different people and groups.

Seriously, what is it with you people being completely unable to read or comprehend ?

No where at all did i mention “better players”. I am a casual player and have a real life etc.
I also specifically said " im not saying you must play cookie cutter builds"…i was obviously saying that in any game where you can “build” characters, there will always be “ideal” class builds, there will also be bottom end “gimped” builds, for example a warrior that puts not trait points into power at all is going to be gimped, that is a fact and you seriously cant even attempt to argue against that.

There is plenty of leeway for different builds here, some are going to be good, some are going to be awesome, but by the same token some are going to be horrible.

The OP put forward a very good argument for more DPS and less tough/vit, and i posted a reasonable unbiased reply…you simply misunderstood, took my words out of context and misinterpreted their intent.

Honestly people….LEARN TO READ !

Darque Intent.1674:

Something I would like to point out is how I’ve noticed agro working. With alot of toughness you can get agro quite easily, by specing just dmg as a player with lots of vitality and toughness anyway are you really going the right route by letting everyone else with less of those stats fend for themselves, while you do your thing and tell yourself you’re cool because of the numbers poping up? I suppose if anything goes wrong you can simply blame other members of the group, because you have done the math and they obviously haven’t.

Here is an idea, instead of saying things like this is the best you all should do it, simply tell us what you have done, how it works and the short commings you have found (did you put that in anywhere, as you can tell I didn’t read it?), and if we care enough to try it we might. But I think you’ll find that most of us play this game without the need for reasurance.

If this comes across as hostile, excuse me. But maybe you should consider how you engage people if you want us to take you more seriously than a troll. There is no hard math for that, and you might have to think about your envioroment, which is where I think some people have a problem with your reasoning, because it’s just maths and justification, not reasoning at all..

Example:-
If I drive around at 120mph I’ll get places faster than if I drive at 60mph. But if anything goes wrong, I’m in a world of trouble and putting others in harms way. If nothing goes wrong, I’m fine. I should drive at 120mph because I’m good enough at driving, regardless.

Science is – Aim, method, hypothosis, experiment, results, observation, conclusion, evidence.
Math is – 1 + 1 = I’m right, unless 1 is a variable or is assumed or both. For the purposes of this 1 is 0.5 and the answer is 1, unless 1 is a variable or is assumed or both.

Maths is inferior to science becuase you can’t draw accurate conclusions from maths, just assumption based on the numbers you have. Go do science.

Maybe try learning to read, its really helpful not just on forums but in life as well……he most certainly DID reason out his findings, and fully explained how and where he did his “experimentation”, he gave very clear and concise explanation and conclusion for everything he did, you are just not smart enough to understand it, but trust me, its all there.
Also i have to laugh hysterically at your ridiculous statement that math is inferior to science….math is the basis for ALL science….honestly, what are they teaching kids in school nowadays.

Its very simple really……new content means new players…..fixing bugs means “possibly” retaining old players, but in a game where they already have your money, that is far less important.
This is also the same in F2P games…..new content will drag in new players, they will spend a sum of money then leave, while fixing bugs will only keep a small percentage of existing players happy for so long.

Then compare that to a subscription game like EVE online….constant bug fixes are the norm, anything broken or bugged is patched and fixed almost immediately, as well as the constant free content upgrades…this is required to keep newer and older players in a the game and paying.

Its all about the money and what is profitable, nothing else.

Blood red Arachnid…thank you, going to adjust some builds very soon based on your math……and i wouldnt worry about the hostility, you get it in every game where very casual players dont like hearing that their builds are less than perfect.

They like to think their 30 tough/30 vit warrior is king of the battlefield and is somehow equal to high DPS output builds…and constantly tell you “well, im still alive” even though they barely contributed to the fight, and fail to see that if they had a decent build the fight would have been over long ago.

Now im not saying for one second that everyone should have the cookie cutter builds, or that everyone should be min/maxing builds….but if you are a warrior with max tough/vit firing a longbow as standard, then you simply do suck and should avoid gimping groups with your woeful presence….or find a guild that is willing to carry you as baggage through quests/dungeons etc.

Again, thanks BRA….outstanding analysis.

Zookeeper.2513:

Reihert.1509:

Please.

No more dumb/easy content with a 0,05% chance (final rest drop rate).

I’d rather do a hard content where only a few can overcome (based on skill and tatics) than just farming easy places over and over again for the something.

I’ll give you tactics, but there is no skill in video games. “Skill” is just faster reaction time.

If you truly believe this im guessing you’re pretty bad at all games….i suggest you try EVE, WoT or any FPS game and then try claiming they dont involve skill.

Dungeons and Dragons online has the best LFG system in my opinion……if Anet is even considering implementing one, they should seriously look at DDO’s and see how it should be done…..easily the best, simplest and most player friendly one ive ever seen.

Geotherma.2395:

Robbyx.1284:

Geotherma.2395:

Dante.1508:

Honestly these forums are very limited to others i’ve used..

And the living in fear of moderators and infractions for speaking your mind doesn’t help much in my opinion..

Exactly why I barely or ever see trolls here or RMT posts or tons of degrading posts. I feel they do a good job at keeping those types at bay.

Sweeping peoples opinions under the proverbial rug is not the way to conduct a forum.
If people are upset or have concerns they should be able to voice them, that is what forums are for…constantly deleting and infracting leaves a bitter taste for any intelligent forum user, or it should, even if you disagree with what is being said, everyone should be extremely concerned at the censorship on these forums.

As to the negative posts…it has been shown and proved many times that this is directly proportionate to the general feeling of the player base……happy players = generally happy atmosphere all around….unhappy players = negative feedback, generally speaking of course.

This is directly affected by those in charge…devs, GM’s and forum moderators……..a famous quote….“attitude reflects leadership, captain”.

‘snip’

A lead developer of one of the most popular MMO’s once responded to me in a private chat after i got very upset and let go with a few swear words, which was my fault and i did regret it as soon as i hit post…but his comment to me was very understanding and very “enlightened” and have always stuck with me, i will tell you what he said to the best of my recollection.

" the cursing is NOT ok, what is ok with me is the rage and the so called “whining”, without it we would have no direct feedback from players, it is free feedback, negative or positive any developer worth his salt still regards it as positive feedback.

This gives us direction and lets us know in no uncertain terms what needs to be fixed and what we need to look at it terms of game play, even in the most abrasive of rage posts there is nuggets of information, if players are so angry at some aspect of the game, then we need to look at it…the game is here for the players, not the other way around, contrary to popular belief.

What we dont need is sycophantic “yes men” who constantly tell us “everything is ok”…that does nothing for us…so please rage if you feel the need, but please do so without the (admittedly impressive) string of obscenities, and know that we do listen".

I did have this quote saved on my computer for a long time, until my hard drive got fried….and i still pay for this game even though i rarely play it, that kind of understanding and attitude towards gamers deserves support in my opinion.

Geotherma.2395:

Dante.1508:

Honestly these forums are very limited to others i’ve used..

And the living in fear of moderators and infractions for speaking your mind doesn’t help much in my opinion..

Exactly why I barely or ever see trolls here or RMT posts or tons of degrading posts. I feel they do a good job at keeping those types at bay.

Sweeping peoples opinions under the proverbial rug is not the way to conduct a forum.
If people are upset or have concerns they should be able to voice them, that is what forums are for…constantly deleting and infracting leaves a bitter taste for any intelligent forum user, or it should, even if you disagree with what is being said, everyone should be extremely concerned at the censorship on these forums.

As to the negative posts…it has been shown and proved many times that this is directly proportionate to the general feeling of the player base……happy players = generally happy atmosphere all around….unhappy players = negative feedback, generally speaking of course.

This is directly affected by those in charge…devs, GM’s and forum moderators……..a famous quote….“attitude reflects leadership, captain”.

eremos.8142:

… but loot rolls are binary. Based on how much damage you do you get loot or you don’t. It doesn’t give better loot to those who do more damage.

Not true at all…..ive soloed the champ boar, wasp queen and troll several times and received no loot at all.

Rukia.4802:

They only track damage, this is a DPS game.

Are you serious ?…really, im asking, is this true ?

Its actually not to bad without the shoulders on…although it is only for light armour wearers….which brings me to the point that GW2 has the worst cosmetics system of any game ive played in a long time.

Seriously, only for specific players and only used once ? not only that but there is a severely limited amount of sets to choose from.

This is quite possibly the stupidest thing ive seen….Anet have thrown so much money away with its lack luster cosmetics its hilarious……cosmetics have always been a BIG seller in RPG’s, as players tend to customize their characters.

LOTRO got it spot on with their “wardrobe system”, multiple wardrobe slots which allowed several outfits that could be changed and swapped whenever you wish…..not only that but players could use skins from any armour set no matter the class, this allowed many many variations and some great touches as people personalized their “look”.

The store sold tons of different sets and has themed outfits which sold like hot cakes…..Anet missed a huge revenue stream here.

Calsifer.6079:

Robbyx.1284:

This is an absolute lie…i have NEVER been hit with spam forum gold selling on any other MMO ive ever played….EVER.

Im gonna go out on a limb and say you are another dev alt trying to bad mouth other MMO’s to try and drag them down to the horrible depths Guildwars is at.

I have rarely seen so much gold spamming in game as i have in guildwars, and certainly never in a " big name MMO"and was one of the main reasons i refuse to support this fail company any further.

Woah there, would you like some cheese with that whine? Seriously, take that tinfoil hat off and stop blaming ANet for the illegal actions of gold sellers.

OT: Yes, I’ve received one PM about buying gold which I deleted. Doesn’t really bother me anyways cause I don’t use the forum to communicate with people via PM.

Where is the “whine” in my post ?, point it out, i dare you…im guessing your a 12 year old who quotes random memes because you have nothing intelligent to say.

Other MMO’s…even much older ones have far less gold spammers than guildwars does…even free to play games like WoT dont get forum mail gold spamming…..Anet are incompetent, its that simple…its ok to like a game if its “your thing”…but kitten at least try to be objective about it.

Chris S.8273:

This is something that happens in all mmo’s. If you have played other mmo’s you will nottice you see gold adds less often in gw2 then ANY other. There’s a little icon in the mail interface to report it. Please do this so arena.net can get rid of them. Good job for keeping them at bay arena.net keep up the good work. For the rest of you please do YOUR part and report TY

This is an absolute lie…i have NEVER been hit with spam forum gold selling on any other MMO ive ever played….EVER.

Im gonna go out on a limb and say you are another dev alt trying to bad mouth other MMO’s to try and drag them down to the horrible depths Guildwars is at.

I have rarely seen so much gold spamming in game as i have in guildwars, and certainly never in a " big name MMO"and was one of the main reasons i refuse to support this fail company any further.

Clark Skinner.4902:

I’m surprised by that. With all of the people unhappy with the game here and in my guild, and in map chat… I wouldn’t expect players to vote for it to win.

Well you can see what actual players think of it…its losing to Max Payne 3…LOL

LOL@Gamespot….every single experienced PC gamer knows gamespot are terrible, did you see the other nominees, and the lack of some seriously good PC games ?

This like a kindergarten teacher voting the new Audi “car of the year” because its a pretty colour…….absolutely worthless award from a worthless source..

This will soon disappear as do all threads citing Anets horrendous incompetence….but you are right, on any other MMO i play Anet and GW2 are a laughing stock, hacks are being advertised everywhere you look, but that is the least of this games problems.
Anet should not only be embarrassed, they should be ashamed of themselves.

McSlappy.1372:

Robbyx.1284:

Karizee.8076:

You’ve been brainwashed into thinking a sub is neccesary. It’s not. The games that charge them are ripping you off.

Ever heard of EVE online ? subscription is worth it for games that have a decent company behind them…GW2 does not……EVE and CCP put GW2 to shame, and every other game on the market to be honest, they set the standard in quality.

Horrible quality. Used to play EVE as my main game. It was awesome back in the day. Been getting worse each expansion for the past 5-6 years. EVE good game garbage company. Kinda reminds me of GW2 up until 11/15 now EVE is probably even better game with less grind. At least with EVE grind you didn’t have to be online =P

In your opinion you mean…EVE has just been getting better and better, with new, free content regularly…it just set new game records for numbers…as to the company, CCP is without a doubt the single most dedicated and committed game company out there, that is not an opinion, it is a fact.
No company is more open and transparent with its players, with Devs constantly replying and answering questions on the forums, and even giving their opinions in the more frivolous threads.

Anet on the other hand are just a terrible company who had a good idea for a game then ruined it with complete incompetence and terrible mismanagement…..rarely have i seen a company with such distaste and indifference towards its customers…we are the customers, they should be chasing us, CCP understands and practices that mantra.

Karizee.8076:

You’ve been brainwashed into thinking a sub is neccesary. It’s not. The games that charge them are ripping you off.

Ever heard of EVE online ? subscription is worth it for games that have a decent company behind them…GW2 does not……EVE and CCP put GW2 to shame, and every other game on the market to be honest, they set the standard in quality.

Surbrus.6942:

Robbyx.1284:

The thread is about “no holy trinity”, which i responded to…and there is no hate mechanic other than how much DPS you can pump out, that is a fact, there is no need to elaborate further, Anet made it very simple….DPS.

Then I suggest you counter the posts ITT that claim otherwise. You may provide anecdotes in your argument against those claiming that dungeon bosses and some other monsters do not entirely select their targets at random. There have already been strong anecdotes raised in this thread supporting this hypothesis.

I suggest you do your own research, like i did……go read Anets’s own wiki on threat generation…..well, to a lesser extent who is carrying a shield also has an effect, but that be can easily countered by slightly more DPS….for all intents and purposes, DPS is all that matters.

Surbrus.6942:

Robbyx.1284:

They did indeed remove the “holy trinity”, trouble is they replaced it with just one class….DPS…..anything else and you are just fooling yourself….healing ele’s are a waste of a slot, “tanks” are absolutely worthless as they cannot hold aggro.

This game is solely about DPS and how much you can inflict that DPS on mobs.

Nice to see that you read the thread, and have a clue about what you are talking about.

I liked your insights into the hate mechanic, and optimal strategies for dealing with the mechanic. Perhaps you should elaborate further on this topic?

The thread is about “no holy trinity”, which i responded to…and there is no hate mechanic other than how much DPS you can pump out, that is a fact, there is no need to elaborate further, Anet made it very simple….DPS.

They did indeed remove the “holy trinity”, trouble is they replaced it with just one class….DPS…..anything else and you are just fooling yourself….healing ele’s are a waste of a slot, “tanks” are absolutely worthless as they cannot hold aggro.

This game is solely about DPS and how much you can inflict that DPS on mobs.

circusfreak.2403:

Robby,

I’ll make this short since the long version was wiped when the page refreshed. If you like easy-peezy straight to the finish games,, good on ya. WoW made that front and center. But in that process they made it financially moot for developers to put out a good, challenging MMO because the hard core base just doesnt rake in the dough. So when I see people complaining that an already easy game has put a little twist in their plans to cap out their toon in a week, ya Im going to call them lazy. Go back to WoW or whatever mainstream cake walk you play and have at it. If you want to voice a rational perhaps even informative response, great, now we can move forward in a positive light. And again I stated that it was just MY opinion, sorry if it didnt live up to your standards.

You didnt even read my post, if you had you we have seen that i dont play WoW and i didnt like it at all….i play EVE as my main game, which makes every other MMO look like a silly kiddies game.
As for rational or informative, show me where your post had any of those elements, you just attacked WoW and anyone who plays it….WoW did nothing to the MMO genre except offer players a game to play, which as it turns out was/is very, very popular…you can kick and stamp your feet like a little girl all you want, but WoW is not responsible for anything except WoW……if enough players wanted another MMO, they would be playing it, there are plenty to choose from.

circusfreak.2403:

I find it amusing how everyone compares MMOs to WoW as if this was the first or best MMO made. WoW took the model created by EQ and a few other predocessors and dumbed it down for the mainstream. Taking with it any sense of real accomplishment and problem solving. WoW ruined the MMO genre in that it took it down a path far less challenging that it could have. Making MMO gamers expect to have things handed to them instead of actually working them out through trial and error and deduction. The only thing WoW did successfully was create a generation of lazy gamers…which is ironic and funny at the same time. This is just my opinion based on many hours of gaming on many MMOs.

This is absolute nonsense…..WoW is a game people wanted to play, thats why more people played it than any other MMO in history….i played it for 30 minutes and hated it, but thats my choice, as it was other peoples choice to leave it if they wanted, but they didnt…it must have been doing something right.

Most people dont want a challenge, they want to come home from work or school and mess around with friends in a virtual world, go exploring etc.
I would point to EVE online as proof of this, without a doubt the most challenging MMO with the steepest learning curve of any game, and despite winning an enormous amount of awards consistently, it sits at a plateau population of a hardcore, dedicated community…new players number one complaint : “its to hard and takes to long”.
The point is that WoW might not be your game, nor is it mine, but it is for millions of people, and telling them they ruined the genre and are lazy gamers for playing and enjoying it is extremely ignorant and honestly quite pathetic.

In all my years of gaming i have never, ever seen a company lay the responsibility of botters and farmers squarely on the shoulders of legitimate players.

DR is without a doubt the stupidest way to deal with botters i have ever seen…and to me is further proof that Anet has no idea what they are doing and that this game is headed for oblivion.

Nexon has a major stake in this game….and everything, and i mean everything nexon touches turns to garbage, they are a terrible, greedy cash shop loving company…..you can only speculate how much influence they actually have, but if nexon is involved you can bet this game has no future.

Background…..

Ive played pretty much everthing there is to play…im even old enough to have played the first space invaders machines when they hit arcades.
I was ranked in the top 5 in the world in BF2, ranked number 2 medic and ranked number 3 assault rifles…have played competitive pretty much where ever i go and whatever game i play…i have or have owned pretty much every console ever made, and still have a box full of cassette games :/

My opinion….

This game is like SWTOR…over-hyped and under delivered, graphics aside, there is nothing this game does better or even as good as any other MMO out there…i would much rather play LOTRO for exploration, i would much rather play DDO for dungeon and gear grinding…i would much rather play WoT and EVE for pvp.

….you know what, i had more to say, but i just dont care enough, i kinda feel obligated to play as i have spend the money…but i would happily watch this game fold right now and would not care one bit…the game tried something different and failed, badly in my opinion.

I was actually just thinking about this after leveling an alt and doing the champion Modniir Ulgoth DE…..he uses some kind of spell that randomly one shot kills random people regardless of where they are what what they are doing……you cannot avoid it, you cannot even see it coming most of the time, you can only hope someone will rez you….there is absolutely no skill involved what so ever, you just hit him until he one shots you…it is seriously un-fun.

….and dont even get me started on the Risen Hyleks and their super awesome poison dart machine gun of awesomeness.

Has no idea what hes talking about….check
Completely missed the reasons people are upset….check
Completely absolves Anet of any blame….check
Blames players…..check
Puts forward a non solution to “save us doomers from ourselves”…..check

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