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It doesn’t, that is unless the game in question has culling issues that cause characters to not render for several minutes.
If you can’t understand why the portal is unbalanced because of this, I have nothing more to explain. Until Anet can figure out a way to handle the culling issues, the portal needs limits, which can later be restored to how it is now.
Then the problem is not portals but rendering. What exactly are you complaining about again?
Because it is so obviously unbalanced? What do I care if it helps my team win and that we’ve used it before? That doesn’t make a skill balanced. It all comes down to balance. I don’t care if everyone CAN do it, that doesn’t create balance between classes.
What is balance? How would limiting the amount of people “balance” it. Stop throwing buzz words around.
How does 1 mesmer using a portal unbalance the mesmer class?
It basically means you can ignore most conditions. Seems really good to me. What would you want it to tick for? 400?
You can only pick 1. Is there a problem that a class doesn’t have a useless ability?
Yes, both sides being able to us it must obviously mean that it is balanced! That must explain why they nerfed Pistol Whip on the thief, only one side must have been able to use it!
That argument is completely invalid. Just because anybody can use it does not make it balanced. How the heck do you guys think MMOs balance their games? No freaking duh anybody can use anything in the game they want! That doesn’t make it balanced.
What exactly is your problem with it? I’m honestly curious. WHY would you want it nerfed when it can help YOUR team win?
mass invis and time warp is 5 person limit.
Moa morph is only good 1v1. Don’t 1v1.
I’m honestly curious at how long people think mesmer stealth skill lasts for. Also are people aware aoe can still hit people in stealth?
How is something overpowered if both sides can use it? Server A can zerg harder than we can! nerf nerf nerf.
I was in HoD server for 1 day tour 2 days ago.
JQ and ET just cheated, I fought in JQ map for 4 hrs, ET controlekittenep 2 towers(1 in front of HOD WP), JQ controll all the rest. and they both fighting HoD the same time!!!
they never even put a fight against each other! When we trying to take our tower back, ET hide in the tower, and JQ attacking us from the tunnel and vellay. they never put a fight against each other for 4 hrs!
nice, u got a truce, just fight HoD, HoD has its pride, they dont care, they believe they r still the best without TA even against 2 servers at the same time.
But, I really really dont appreciate that, for a guy from tier 4 server trying to learn something from tier 1 server, it looks just disgusting. just for the No1 tittle? where is ur pride JQ? And, what is the point for ET? just revange? HoD kicked ur butt too much?
I know it was designed to make 2 servers united against 1 best server, but even under this condition? Shouldnt HoD unite with ET? if they can drop their pride?
People can play however they want. No server is obligated to “be nice”.
It’s hilarious you’d call this cheating.
You really just proved the point i have been trying to make.
Not really. It just proves you can roll bad players with no effort. You really think a mesmer can go watch tv and still win against good players? I have no clue how fast you think we can pump out those phantasms but this “nerf” only added 4 seconds more.
You just have to understand that It is incredibly frustrating that bad players pick an easy 1 v 1 class where they are able to just mass produce clones that do the damage for them!! This is not a fair mechanic and pisses off your average player. Hence, the sentiment on here of….just learn to play. I agree this tactic wouldn’t work on a good player.
Don’t put yourself in a 1v1 situation then. I see no reason as to why you would ever be in one seeing as there is no world pvp. Always stay in groups, it is the basics of pvp.[/quote]
Your missing the point though. I always stick with the group. But everyone else shouldn’t have to adapt their behaviour in order to deal with Mesmers. If that is the argument than it definitely proves Mesmers are OP. [/quote]
No. The game isn’t balance around 1v1 and no one has to adapt to anything. You never, ever go at it solo. It is basic pvp. A soldier isn’t going to complain “it isn’t fair” if he runs out onto the battlefield by himself and gets shot. If he does, he is stupid.
There’s a reason the military always moves in platoons. Because trying to be a lone wolf hero gets you killed.
You really just proved the point i have been trying to make.
Not really. It just proves you can roll bad players with no effort. You really think a mesmer can go watch tv and still win against good players? I have no clue how fast you think we can pump out those phantasms but this “nerf” only added 4 seconds more. [/quote]
You just have to understand that It is incredibly frustrating that bad players pick an easy 1 v 1 class where they are able to just mass produce clones that do the damage for them!! This is not a fair mechanic and pisses off your average player. Hence, the sentiment on here of….just learn to play. I agree this tactic wouldn’t work on a good player. [/quote]
Don’t put yourself in a 1v1 situation then. I see no reason as to why you would ever be in one seeing as there is no world pvp. Always stay in groups, it is the basics of pvp.
It’s a bit more balanced. Maybe it’s an issue to the pve, but I don’t believe they’ll let the Mesmer behind in terms of pve. Maybe you’ll have to change from Phantasm build in Pve for some times.
And don’t worry, the playerbase is beginning to get aware that AoE works well against Mesmers (and Thief too).
Mesmers are regarded as the worst pve class for a reason. Most of the outrage is for pve, not pvp. This “nerf” hardly affects pvp at all really. The only people who think it does are the ones who had no idea how mesmers worked in the first place.
Mesmers are full or counters, which work really well 1v1 which make them so powerful. Phantasm feel op because now you have to figure out what the mesmer gonna do to prevent you from doing ur standard macro.
Um…
Phantasm builds didn’t really do anything to make people “figure out” anything tbh. Phantasm is pretty simple to figure out for most people:
Dude summons alot of crap to hide himself
Dude’s AI minions do some burst
Need to drop heavy AOE on Dude AND AI petsI mean, when you’re talking about “vs noobs” a phantasm build was all about “summon my kitten, then hide until I need to resummon again. collect free kills” in SPvP matches. Hell I used it as my lulz spec for when I was just goofing off glory farming in SPvP cause it let you watch tv or do something else while still “winning fights”.
You really just proved the point i have been trying to make.
Not really. It just proves you can roll bad players with no effort. You really think a mesmer can go watch tv and still win against good players? I have no clue how fast you think we can pump out those phantasms but this “nerf” only added 4 seconds more.
@Senai… you make yourself sound like such an elitist jerk.
Problem?
I have no obligation to explain basic core mechanics of a class to someone who is endlessly complaining about and didn’t even bother to read up on.
Frizz, how pray tell is a mesmer supposed to play without relying on clones and phantasms?
You still have clones etc. They didn’t take them away.
Okay, so shatter builds? You think phantasms were op and mesmers should be playing shatter builds?
Yes, this is exactly what people have been saying.
It’s hilarious people are complaining about things like phantasms when they do terrible damage and can be 1 shotted while shatter build is what;s actually killing people.
People have no idea what it is that’s killing them and just like to complain about everything. I’m sure if they remove illusions completely people will still tell mesmers it was a needed “nerf”.
Stop taking advice given by bad players to heart then. If you don’t lose to mesmers you know “to dodge” is not a valid argument regardless. If you don’t lose to mesmers you are agreeing other people just need to play better.
‘L2P’ is just as pathetic an argument. I don’t lose to mesmers because the build I’m running atm is a hard counter. Everyone should build to counter mesmers right? The only role on a team is ‘mesmer hunter’.
Honestly, I don’t care if mesmers are kittening supermen, I’ll just play one. The nerf/buff/balance kitten is irrelevant to me. It’s the inanity of the arguments being used that irritates me. You can’t have a decent discussion on balance on this board because it’s jampacked with forumwarrior sophistry. We could provide productive feedback here, instead it’s a bunch of whining children who can only be ignored, and given an occasional cookie to shut them up for a while.
You come to these forums for constructive criticism? Why? Do you enjoy hurting yourself?
This is a classic example of someone who knows they have lost the argument and are now trying to change the topic. Why don’t you either admit he is right or come up with a good criticism of what he said rather than trolling?
What argument? When have i presented anything that disagrees with this person’s points? Why so defensive?
I’m afraid you are coming across as defensive.
You’re implying that i’m trying to change the subject because i “lost” some argument that didn’t take place.
y u mad brah?
Stop taking advice given by bad players to heart then. If you don’t lose to mesmers you know “to dodge” is not a valid argument regardless. If you don’t lose to mesmers you are agreeing other people just need to play better.
‘L2P’ is just as pathetic an argument. I don’t lose to mesmers because the build I’m running atm is a hard counter. Everyone should build to counter mesmers right? The only role on a team is ‘mesmer hunter’.
Honestly, I don’t care if mesmers are kittening supermen, I’ll just play one. The nerf/buff/balance kitten is irrelevant to me. It’s the inanity of the arguments being used that irritates me. You can’t have a decent discussion on balance on this board because it’s jampacked with forumwarrior sophistry. We could provide productive feedback here, instead it’s a bunch of whining children who can only be ignored, and given an occasional cookie to shut them up for a while.
You come to these forums for constructive criticism? Why? Do you enjoy hurting yourself?
This is a classic example of someone who knows they have lost the argument and are now trying to change the topic. Why don’t you either admit he is right or come up with a good criticism of what he said rather than trolling?
What argument? When have i presented anything that disagrees with this person’s points? Why so defensive?
I agree. This was nothing more than proof that Anet really has no clue what is going on. Their ‘pets’ should do ZERO damage. Them being there is the only advantage they need. Illusion, that is it.
Claims ANet has no clue what’s going on, then claims phantasms should do 0 damage.
I see where this thread is going. I’ll bid this trash can adieu.
What I am saying is, their lil pets should do ZERO damage. They should only mimic the player and even have the graphics show all of them doing the same thing on attacks. You still have the “illusion” of real, multiple characters to attack. I guess you just need to pick the right one. Illusions are just that, illusions. Distractions and deceiving you foe is plenty.
The knowledge you have on mesmers is astoundingly low. I’m not even sure if i should point out how stupid this is or let you figure it out yourself. Although the fact that you had the audacity to even post this tells me you don’t know how to research properly so i guess you’ll forever be in the dark.
If you walk over and 2 hit them, that’s 2000-3000 damage that the mesmer didn’t take. Every 10 seconds with swapping, 7 with a utility. If the skills did nothing except heal you for 2k-3k every 7-10s, they would be insanely strong. As it is, they also deal 2-3k every 6-7s. You actually can’t naturally regenerate endurance fast enough to dodge every phantasm attack anyway, so you’re having a little L2P issue there that you might wanna correct before you post about dodging ever again.
Also, this one’s for everyone, please stop using the kitten ‘just dodge’ defense on every kittening skill in the game. You say ‘just dodge’ I hear ‘This skill is balanced if you have infinite endurance’.
TBH I couldn’t care less whether mesmers got nerfed or not, I’m just sick of stupid arguments from terrible players. I’m bad, but I’m not bad enough to suggest ‘just dodge every phantasm’.
You can always.. walk away.
I’ll do one better, walk away while putting down aoe. If you single target phantasms then your problem is something else entirely.
I don’t lose to mesmers, so don’t try to deflect from the fact that the argument being used is nonsensical. Thanks.
Stop taking advice given by bad players to heart then. If you don’t lose to mesmers you know “to dodge” is not a valid argument regardless. If you don’t lose to mesmers you are agreeing other people just need to play better.
If you walk over and 2 hit them, that’s 2000-3000 damage that the mesmer didn’t take. Every 10 seconds with swapping, 7 with a utility. If the skills did nothing except heal you for 2k-3k every 7-10s, they would be insanely strong. As it is, they also deal 2-3k every 6-7s. You actually can’t naturally regenerate endurance fast enough to dodge every phantasm attack anyway, so you’re having a little L2P issue there that you might wanna correct before you post about dodging ever again.
Also, this one’s for everyone, please stop using the kitten ‘just dodge’ defense on every kittening skill in the game. You say ‘just dodge’ I hear ‘This skill is balanced if you have infinite endurance’.
TBH I couldn’t care less whether mesmers got nerfed or not, I’m just sick of stupid arguments from terrible players. I’m bad, but I’m not bad enough to suggest ‘just dodge every phantasm’.
You can always.. walk away.
I’ll do one better, walk away while putting down aoe. If you single target phantasms then your problem is something else entirely.
Mesmers are OP, now you might have to actually learn to fight, rather than relying on your Phantasms to do the work. Welcome, to PvP.
ROFL. Not sure if troll or just ignorant. Have you even played a Mesmer? A Mesmer without illusions is like a ranger without a pet, but worse.
On a serious note to stay on topic – the nerf is not that outrageous. I am guessing most folks will want to pick up Illusionists Celerity now.
You basically just admitted that you rely on your phantasms/illusions to do all the work for you, thus I refer you to my original comment.
get a load of this pleb
Mesmers are OP, now you might have to actually learn to fight, rather than relying on your Phantasms to do the work. Welcome, to PvP.
Are you somehow implying a 4 second increase in cooldown will cause mesmers to be less op and make you to be a better player?
Entertain me.
Yes, they’re useless. You’re not the first norn to notice or mention this.
I think they were suggesting that the damage should come from the mesmer instead, eg replace phantasms with attacks.
Mesmers have two types of illusions. I’ll let you think about this. Take as long as you’d like.
That argument is irrelevant.
The suggestion that was made was they get rid of Phantasems and replace them with powerful or similar skills on the side of the mesmer.
For example. Instead of summoning the iZerker, use the iZeker’s attack personally, with perhaps a greater effect than the Zerker itself.
Heck, if we still wanted to go with the disorientation, we could drop a clone in the location we casted the skill, and teleport right into the position the Phantasmal Berserker would appear.
There are ways that could be done. Now my opinion on doing something like that would be very iffy considering that’s pretty much class rewrite.
And then shatter would be the only viable build for pvp which is ironic because it’s what everybody’s problem was to begin with. I had no clue people actually had a problem with phantasms. The most i’ve ever done with them in pvp was 4.5k. Hardly overpowered if you ask me. Even with higher crit damage gear i can only see them going as high as 6k and that’s in optimal conditions. People really need to understand what it is that’s killing them before picking up their pitchforks.
I think they were suggesting that the damage should come from the mesmer instead, eg replace phantasms with attacks.
Mesmers have two types of illusions. I’ll let you think about this. Take as long as you’d like.
It’s the 2nd easiest class to play in all games made today, right behind this game’s thief.
There is a post on here where someone made a Mesmer. With no clue how to play it, he joined pvp and topped the ranks. If you can see well enough to click a few buttons, you can do mesmer.
Not saying mesmers arn’t op but any good player can play any class good. The game isn’t so complex where unless someone devotes all their time into one class he can’t possibly play it well. Meaning that argument is pretty much moot.
People are just happy mesmers and theifs got nerfs, even though they’er nerfs that won’t make any real difference in pvp. It’s called being bitter.
You are not understanding what people are calling weak. Compared to other classes, mesmer aoe farming is a joke. Guardians spin to win, necro’s aoe condition to win, warrior rolls his face on the keyboard to win. Ele spams fireballs. Engineer spams grenades. Thieves spam clusterbomb. Ranger uses barrage once.
Compared to those, Mesmer’s only real aoe damage is a 15 second Mind Wrack which is dependent on your clones and phantasms surviving. As well as chaos storm which just got nerfed.
Compared to other classes, Mesmer is awful at farming dynamic events, as well as aoe mob grinding.
I’m not saying its not possible, its just MUCH more difficult than other classes and far less rewarding compared to other classes.
For example, on my Guardian, I could pull 8 mobs, use binding blade to pick up the ranged and use whirling wrath and pick up loot. On my mesmer, I have to gather them up, LOS to pull them all together, make sure you keep up 3 clones, Mind Wrack. This gets them to about… 50%. Then you have to try not to die as you kite forever and spam Izerker or whatever else you can do.
Mesmer just isn’t practical, by the time we summon a clone to do aoe damage for us, all the other classes have wiped the mobs out.
Mesmer AoE farming a joke??
You can kill a large group of mobs in seconds with Blurred Frenzy (and not take damage while you do it). You can round up your mobs and throw down 2-3 illusions and use Mind Wrack to nearly kill them with 1 cast.Perhaps you just arent using the right weapon.
I for one hate not having AoE. So much that I only run short bow on my thief for Cluster Bomb spam and auto attacks.
Mesmer AoE is just fine.And as far as the 15 second cool down on Mind Wrack; that can be reduced.
I would say go try out new weapons and builds. You’re bound to be surprised.
No one cares about soloing. Why the hell did you even make this thread? Who bases an entire class on it’s ability to solo in an mmo?
Everything that makes them good at pvp makes them awful at pve. Find me a single npc enemy in this game that works like a human player.
They don’t give themselves boons, they don’t attack often enough for confusion (or often enough to justify distortion) they don’t have the same levels of hp or damage, they’re often immune to interrupts…
At higher level content enemies (specifically bosses) do frequently have boons.
And I dont know what youre trying to get away with but..enemies are constantly attacking…thats just…really? No excuse for even saying that one.
I find my mesmer to be more effective in PvE than my thief, guardian and necro (all level 80).
No. Confusion is next to useless in pve. They are constantly attacking, sure, but at 2-3 second intervals. Unless you’re constantly stacking 20 stacks of confusion it is not worth it for pve. Don’t try to argue this, it’s been tested countless times. Also melee is rarely an option at 80. Don’t forget you’re wearing light armor. Unless you’re going for a tough/vit build, in which case swords would be useless and you’d be holding a staff and doing nowhere near the damage a sword build would be doing.
@Senai : Wait, did you read the update notes ? Lots of classes got bugs fixes.
Hardly. I see maybe 2 actual fixes across all the professions and they were more gameplay fixes than class fixes.
No classes got any bug fixes. Although a bunch of them got nerfs. Just be glad we didn’t lose anything.
No one is complaining about mesmer pvp. Most people agree they are op in pvp.
Everyone is confused as well. I don’t think there was anyone who thought phantasms needed a longer cooldown in pve. Literally no one. Meaning this change was made for pvp but even then it’s kinda iffy. You’re just going to have to deal with it now because as far as i know anet doesn’t give explanations to changes they make, at least not to my knowledge.
I agree mesmers are one of the most op classes in pvp but phantasms are not the reason for it. Out of everything someone can complain about the mesmer class in pvp, why on earth would it be about phantasms?
Not to mention we were already terrible in pve and this just made it worse. Maybe it was for the sake of “balancing” but if they can’t properly balance pvp and pve at the same time then anything they do is pretty redundant. What is the point of balancing one aspect when at the time time unbalancing another? At this point it seems they’re just making changes for the sake of making them since there haven’t been any bug fixes.
It’s almost useless in 1v1 if you know what you’re doing. Long cast time with a pretty obvious animation. In spvp it might be easier to get off but it’s not like it matters because you’re not alone and any mesmer who wants to actually support his team would run with time warp instead.
Pretty sure it’s intended not to move. If they made it follow the target like every other phantasm it’d be way overpowered.
In my experience heavy condition with staff is best while leveling. Once i got enough points in condition I didn’t even bother with my secondary weapon and used staff all the way to 80. Had no problems taking out 4+ mobs at the same time and downed veterans easily with champions needing a little more effort.
There’s no aggro in this game. It’s pretty random but i’ve noticed a few patterns: mobs tend to attack the target closest to it, it wants to stay with whoever attacked it first and lastly whoever is bursting the hardest.
For illusions I found the first point to be the most common since while leveling if i put an illusion in front of me mobs will usually hit it and if i put out multiple of them they’ll just run from illusion to illusion.
One person enjoying the game or 500 people who don’t. According to my supercomputer which I use to do complex math the 500 people seems to be more than the 1 who said they enjoy themselves.
I don’t know if I should seriously address this or not. Are you 13?
Right, seems like me and the 500 other people complaining about this don’t have valid points. Go be l33t somewhere else please, your superiority complex is showing.
And you can keep being pathetic here while other people enjoy the game.
Please, continue.
If the average player cannot do it and only the pros can, this goes against what Arenanet said before about this game being for everyone. Of course a pro like you wouldn’t care about the people beneath you.
If you truly think only “pros” can do dungeons then there’s nothing I can say. You’re pretty much accepting you’re a bad player and want them to lower the game to your own level which is hilariously pathetic.
If someone doesn’t do well in school he doesn’t go do the school board and demand them to make classes easier. It’s the same concept. Instead of complaining things are too hard, how about you try to better yourself? Is that also too hard?
This person can do something 500 other people can’t do. Hence the uproar on the forums. He must be some kind of wizard.
The point is it’s doable. If people can’t due to their own inability to do so, it isn’t the fault of the game.
Stop trying to be spoonfed.
I thought the incentive to run the same dungeon 60+ times would be the rewards. Even if you do the different paths, there’s still 56 more runs.
There’s no rewards because everything you can get in dungeons you can get outside of them. If you’re doing them for better gear you’re playing the game wrong.
First try we tried kiting through. Next try we tried just killing all the monsters. Magg decided to run into the lava to kill the monsters and just died so we waited 10 minutes or so for him to respawn. Tried again, failed, gave up.
Tell me your secrets, because if the average player can’t do a dungeon properly then there must be some secret that the pros have to do it. Seems like you need 1337 skills to pull it off.
I always find posts like this hilarious.
“This person can do something I can’t! He must be some kind of wizard!”.
There’s no problem with snow leopard costing 30 point since you pretty much hemorrhage skill points at 80. The issue is that it gives people the idea that it’s much better than the other forms when in reality it’s the same or even worse depending on situation. If they were going to make it cost 30 points they should have made it so that you will always choose it over all other forms unless in very specific situations. Personally I think all forms are useless and i only ever use them to show off or clown around. They may have been useful at some time during leveling but they’re pointless to use at 80.
I play a mesmer which is arguably the most underpowered prof while leveling and had absolutely no problems with any of the story quests. Hell I even did a few of them before the recommended level. None of them are impossible to do solo and certainly not “unacceptable”.
In my experience with pve there is no single boss or mob that can one shot any prof without you being able to do anything about it. There’s always an attack animation before any hard hitting attacks and most even have travel time giving you plenty of time to dodge.
It is ridiculous to claim encounters as unacceptable because if your own inability to do something many other people have done and absurd to ask for nerfs. If you don’t see them as challenges to better your own reflexes and observational skills then party with others to do them. You don’t “have” to if you don’t want to but then you’re going to have to accept that you’re not playing well enough to solo and it isn’t the game’s fault. Besides this is called a MMO for a reason. Not wanting to group with other players is not an excuse.