Guild Wars 2

One of the most frustrating things about FA is that people are fickle about whether they are going to play this week or not. The population is there but some weeks they just don’t wanna play.

I really like the gliding mechanic in wvw and wouldn’t support gliding being disabled by combat. It has added a whole new way of fighting and defending. Change and learning to adapt to change is good for the game.
Not really sure about the op’s reason for posting cos you can still hit people who are gliding away…with pew pew ranged attack to take them down or hit them with condi, watch their life tick away and them plummet to their death so it’s no biggie. It’s quite a laugh actually.
Gliding has made wvw so much fun since it was introduced, the fun more than compensates for the ones who get away.

It’s targeting was always abit off if you ask me, never found it worthwhile…with multiple targets it may land better but the cd is a big turn off.

Thanks McKenna, good to know

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Shazmataz.1423:

Moving servers or waiting the link out isn’t going to change alot tbh. Coverage outside of T1 is an issue and that’s that.
Would be nice to see a fix that won’t result in bandwagoning and stacking but not sure what that fix can be.

T2/3 isn’t that bad. The days I have off (during the week) and there are more small groups/roamers running around (which i find more enjoyable to be a part of myself) than blobs.

If its blobs you are looking to join then yeah, I understand what you mean.

I was talking about timezone coverage in particular not blobs.

T3 coverage outside of NA is pretty scratchy, unless you like to havoc. Has been awhile since I was in T2 so can’t comment about that but personally not a fan of the T1 blob fests.
Linking seems to cause more pain than gain from what I have observed but is a cheap way of moving to play with friends.
Having moved servers a few times in the last year, it only stays good for a few weeks before it ends up just the same as links are changed and peeps transfer to the server of the week. BG is likely the only server that stays relatively the same but then it’s queues and blobs.

I have noticed that lag is way worse fighting certain groups so I have assumed (right or wrong) that certain builds and comps have an effect on how well the servers can process all the data required…might be something might be nothing but it surely seems to favour condis as it’s difficult to get the cleanses and other skills to fire.

Moving servers or waiting the link out isn’t going to change alot tbh. Coverage outside of T1 is an issue and that’s that.
Would be nice to see a fix that won’t result in bandwagoning and stacking but not sure what that fix can be.

My toon is stuck in place here as I was trying to replay the story. Game crashes as soon as the screen loads. She’s my fav toon too…can’t do a thing with her now. Very sad.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Swagger.1459:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Shazmataz.1423:

No more tournaments please…I have heard commanders talking about the resulting burn-out from past tournys and we need commanders in game more than ever.

One of the current issues with wvw is the lack of commanders and pugmanders. Having a tournament would be detrimental to wvw long term.

This just sounds like people who can’t control themselves. Most of the commanders I talked with enjoyed the exciting zvz in the tournament.

So you want anet to host wvw tournaments that feature terrible lag, poor profession balance, horrible condi system designs, unbalanced matchups even with linking… and take a huge risk with potentially losing players permanently due to frustration and burn out? …seems pretty logical right?

Will prob bring in new players let the ones who quit, quit.

Oh dear, you are really showing your lack of knowledge about wvw here.

I will slightly rephrase:
-Good commanders and good pugmanders are already in short supply.
-These are the guys who teach new players how to wvw.
-There are not nearly as many commanders in wvw now as there was back in the days of tournaments. This lack of good commanders is part of the issue with current wvw situation.
-They feel the pressure to tag for their guilds and servers cos if they don’t there will be no tag. If the pressure gets too much they burn out and leave. Not a matter of lack of self control but the feeling of obligation and pressure.

Another tournament is quite likely to burn out some of the remaining commanders currently in game. Detrimental to wvw and it’s future-for sure.

Not sure who you have been talking to but not many long time wvw-ers think that a tournament is a good idea (and I know quite a few). I think you have an eye on what you perceive as easy tickets from a tournament without appreciating how it will affect others and wvw.

No more tournaments please…I have heard commanders talking about the resulting burn-out from past tournys and we need commanders in game more than ever.

One of the current issues with wvw is the lack of commanders and pugmanders. Having a tournament would be detrimental to wvw long term.

Korgov.7645:

I would not complain at all if stacked servers were blown up, linking ended, migration policy introduced, and guilds were let to resettle the servers evenly. A fresh start.

^

Split hairs as much as you want Lumpix but there doesn’t need to be any change made to what we have currently.

WvW is way better right now.

You might get more traction if you posted about stuff that was sensible/worthwhile but you mainly post to argue about something that is trivial at best…and make our eyes bleed cos you never let it rest.

No, badges should not buy tickets.

We only got autoloot in wvw relatively recently, before that it was pretty haphazard picking up your bags.

Personally, I don’t think this is a thing that needs to be fixed. Dead people don’t loot in wvw, it’s been like that forever and that’s how it should stay.

Nothing to fix with the vet creature when it’s the daily. I’ve never seen the behaviour described by the op and I have done wvw for a couple of years across a few different servers.

Linking has failed.

Would be better for all if servers were completely remade with play style, pop balance and coverage in mind. But the reality is that people would bandwagon and upset balance.

Henry.5713:

I like the idea of a reward curve. All though, one could argue whether it should be this steep and unrewarding for new players.
In any case, a change to help new players is fine as long as this doesn’t turn into another handout. Any reward in this game is just a matter of time if you like the content you play. But people want stuff handed to them without a need to even play and they refuse to understand why unique rewards exist. This is just “easy mode raids” all over again.

Nicely said Henry.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

would be nice to get ticket cap every week without having to spend 30-40 hrs per week in wvw (like a full time job), which mostly involves standing around most of the time – pvd + standing in circles.

figure out another way to reward wvw vets. Don’t make high rank reward = lower ranks detriment. (essentially having a high rank is a lifting of the low rank “pip handicap,” baseline.)

30-40hrs?? Gob smacked. I suggest that you don’t know how to wvw or you exaggerate much.

I run up to 15 hrs /week with my wvw guild, which does NOT involve pvd or standing in circles and easily finish diamond with a couple of days to spare on a T4 server!! We seek out fights, take objectives to provoke epic fights getting lots of kills and bags plus have alot of fun on the way.

Either the reward is worth your time or its not, same as pvp or pve. It seems to me that the reward is not worth your time so decide and move on….please.

The bug exists not with the pull itself but that the pull can cause people to get stuck in the wall…has happened a few times lately to our commander.

It would revert back to the old days when the wp would come out of contested on a timer…but agreed the EWP is the nicest of the tactics for bag delivery.

Contest doesn’t solve anything, the pulling of tactics when a keep is contested cos enemy is on outer is still a complete waste and an advantage to the attacking server cos there is nothing to use on the more important inner or Lord’s Room.

“x player pulled the x tactic” would then provide anet with some tracking info to do something about griefers.

Turk.5460:

Shazmataz.1423:

Turk.5460:

I don’t see why any veteran WvW player would oppose changes to base pips, giving new players a little more incentive to continue with the game mode and hopefully help revitalize it. Our veteran bonuses wouldn’t change, we’d still get rewards faster than the newbies.

If these “veteran” players really don’t care about the rewards like they claim not to, then I don’t see why they’re even posting in this thread to begin with. It seems like they do actually care about rewards, but by golly I don’t think they’ll admit that. Would they?

A question to all WvW players opposing changes to base pips to make it easier on the newcomers: Do you care about WvW rewards more than the WvW game mode?

I almost solely wvw and prolly classed as a vet, the new shinies are nice to have the option of going for but I seriously haven’t really looked at them or how you get them. I’m just having fun playing wvw as usual, all the while getting pips and welcoming/trying to help the new people to get onto teamspeak, get decent builds and listen to the commander.

What I do object to is the sense of entitlement that I see in alot of posts complaining about the disadvantage to new players and “grind”…if you consider it a grind well don’t do it. If you really want the skins, accept and embrace the mode and what is required, just do it instead of coming to forum and complaining about how things are. You might actually be surprised how fast things go if you just play.

I, too, only play WvW. Judging by the way you held yourself in your post, I’m probably much more of a WvW veteran than you are. I’m getting my rewards, and its fairly easy for me to do so. I like that I get a bonus over the people who didn’t put so much time into WvW previously. But that does not justify the length these newcomers have to go through to see even a speckle of the reward through a telescope. The entitlement is with the other WvW mains who don’t want to see other people happy, and they’re driving away the first good thing to happen in WvW in a very long time.

And to anyone who is reading this, holy crap stop using “I don’t want PvE’ers to grind out a reward then leave.” NOBODY has asked for the rewards to be anything remotely as easy as that. We still want the newcomers to have to commit. We just don’t think over a year is reasonable.

I think Anet very well knew what they were doing to try to get pve players to “commit” to wvw and handing out easy rewards isn’t it.

Turk, the “new” people who want their reward are playing already, not complaining and they are joining in just fine. Props to them. There are a number running regularly with our guild and they are having fun.
I am one of the few who actively helps new comers…well those willing to be helped anyway. I have had so many say they didn’t realise how much fun wvw was until now. So I’m doing my bit for wvw so not quite sure what you are giving me a serve for…

Screenshot or video griefing and report it. Anet can’t do alot otherwise.

It is really frustrating that a few people will make another account on a server to tag watch, waste supply and tactics so that their main server can take an objective, especially if you are the scribe that made the upgrade which aren’t cheap to make. It does ruin defence. But I have my alts on different servers so that I can get decent play whatever the matchup so I don’t want my alt accounts all on the same server.

It could be better solved by removing tactics all together.

HazyDaisy.4107:

It’s a merged thread because there’s so many complaints about a 3-1/2 week old system. I’m not going to read the previous posts, because I wasnt talking to only 1 of the previous posters in paricular.

Whatever anyone doesn’t like about the system for whatever reason, understand some people didn’t get anything whill leveling wvw, not even the joy of waiting a couple of weeks for the possibility of something.

Sorry I couldn’t help myself, I laughed at the irony of your post HazyDaisy cos for years wvw-ers have actually got very little from playing and leveling wvw. We have waited years for the possibility of “something” and now all the new people are complaining when the rewards are the best they have ever been.

“Sense of entitlement: that would be from the haves keeping the have nots from getting anything. Kind of hard to be entitled when you don’t get the rewards. But obstruction from people who already have said rewards… that’s entitlement.”

And that goes for you too Jumpin Lummix…and yes my reward is I HAVE fun and you HAVE NOT got fun. But only you can change that

Turk.5460:

I don’t see why any veteran WvW player would oppose changes to base pips, giving new players a little more incentive to continue with the game mode and hopefully help revitalize it. Our veteran bonuses wouldn’t change, we’d still get rewards faster than the newbies.

If these “veteran” players really don’t care about the rewards like they claim not to, then I don’t see why they’re even posting in this thread to begin with. It seems like they do actually care about rewards, but by golly I don’t think they’ll admit that. Would they?

A question to all WvW players opposing changes to base pips to make it easier on the newcomers: Do you care about WvW rewards more than the WvW game mode?

I almost solely wvw and prolly classed as a vet, the new shinies are nice to have the option of going for but I seriously haven’t really looked at them or how you get them. I’m just having fun playing wvw as usual, all the while getting pips and welcoming/trying to help the new people to get onto teamspeak, get decent builds and listen to the commander.

What I do object to is the sense of entitlement that I see in alot of posts complaining about the disadvantage to new players and “grind”…if you consider it a grind well don’t do it. If you really want the skins, accept and embrace the mode and what is required, just do it instead of coming to forum and complaining about how things are. You might actually be surprised how fast things go if you just play.

I choose badges cos i’m the guild scribe…Badges of Tribute for guild siege use all my honour badges yo.

Thanks McKenna, will be a welcome change.

Here’s an idea then. If you spent as much time in wvw as you do arguing you would have many ranks by now lol….get off the forum and just go play! Which is what Anet intended.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108

Your complaining has reached nonsensical proportions.

I totally agree with Jayne. Let it go…for your sanity and everyone elses.

Like all guilds a few help out which is great. Will look at trading Proofs for other things and selling.

Anyone else like to exchange Proof of Heroics for Badges of Tribute?

As guild scribe making guild siege…I never have enough badges of honour.

SkyShroud.2865:

I don’t have a lot of badges simply because I have used them all for sieges which many other players like yourself conveniently took it for granted. Please donate your badges for the good of others or do your part in WvW by using your badges to purchase sieges to do some sieging.

^This!
No badge of honour comsumer needed.
As a wvw guild scribe, I need badges or badges of tribute donations. I can’t sustain the guild siege building alone.

Good comment Swamurabi

fredley.2354:

Sure, why not but make it so the chests don’t award claim tickets.

Good idea!!

How many APs do these “Botters” have? Better explanation is that these are alt accounts from other servers taking up map space….
Sad but true, I have heard people say that they do this. Weirdos but some people will do anything to gain advantage or be a pain in the kitten

Simply, no pips for eotm.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

You aren’t entitled to it just because you happen to have a rank which previously got you nothing. the rank gain was previously exploited, which heavily cheapened it’s value further.

I’m tired of seeing you say over and over that people over the 2k rank gained that rank by exploitation. I am at 2.5k and I didn’t gain much of that in EOTM. I hate the place.
One of my friends has Ultimate Dominator….and it didn’t come from EOTM so please stop saying this kind of thing. Sure, it suits your argument but it is not as true as you make it out to be. And why shouldn’t rank have it’s rewards??

My rank means that I have played wvw cos I love it. I will continue to play it and earn reward as a by product of my enjoyment.

If the new armour and it’s requirements are too high for you then maybe it’s just not for you. Everyone makes choices in this game about the amount of work that is worth the reward. I have several legendary weapons….I chose to grind for those and didn’t complain about requirements. Good stuff isn’t easily won and nor should it be.

Wvw has never been a place for easy shinies so why should that change cos you want the newest latest shiny….and you want it now.

Anet has set the bar and I hope they stick with it.

Not the scribes who make wvw upgrades….

Here’s a really good solution to deal with AFK farming.
Don’t get upset about it.
If it is big problem in game Anet will deal with it.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Eotm should definitely have the pip system. eotm was created to give players the same rewards as wvw all while being a map that never gets a full que of players, unlike wvw. By not giving the same rewards it de-insentivises play in eotm over wvw. It also defeats the purpose of its original implementation.

No reward deserved for eotm and good if it is a disincentive cos eotm should never take priority over real wvw.
It will also fix the “play in eotm this week” guilds/servers who were manipulating server population.
All in all eotm is bad for wvw.

Jayne.9251:

Anet I’m behind you.

Don’t cave.

There’s a lot like us out here that feel the same way.

Things that come too easily are soon forgotten. It’s not a grind, it’s a challenge — and if you really want the new item, you’ll put in the time.

Nobody NEEDS the new shiny to play. It’s a choice. Invest the time or not.

PabbyGaul.9682:

I 9th this….Dont cave Anet. Keep the rewards where they are due. Gg

I’m another in the please don’t cave on the rank. Any give on the rank devalues the reward in my opinion.

Nocturnal Lunacy.8563:

Anet move the pip system to eotm. You are utterly ruining wvw even more than when you released HoT. Let the blobbers and ktrainers go to eotm and grind there. Real wvw isn’t a place for that. The only players that are having fun are the players that have 50+ man blobs on every map and are able to just run over everybody else and PPT.
But hey if you were trying to turn real wvw into eotm you did it, good job. Now you can shut down the eotm maps to save money for your dying game.

No…wvw will settle. EOTM is not wvw and doesn’t deserve wvw reward.

A change to queue the account for wvw rather than toon would be very welcome. At least during long queue times then you can do pvp or are able to change professions to get better comp for your group.

Thanks very much for this wvw update, it looks encouraging and takes into account a number of things that have been commented upon in the wvw forums.

The server loyalty is definitely a move in the right direction and I would actually like to see a longer stand down for changing servers. Server hopping is not good for the game.

The positive move to reward 5 man havoc is also good, havoc on some servers is almost absent but important for wvw.

Alin.2468:

There are people who like adventure, action, complexity, teamwork… and sometimes there are people who simply like to farm and grind (alone or in a team).

An MMO game should address all types of players, for different moods a player could have, and player can feel happy in different paths of entertainment.

In my opinion grinding and farming is an important part of an MMO. This still reminds me of the good old days in WoW.

^ This! Very well said.

There are a few loud people complaining about the engi farm and passing judgement on what other people are content to do with their game time.
Now it seems to have gained notice https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/6ec2az/chris_clearly_engi_leather_farmbots_working_on_it/

As a dbl hater, I don’t mind going dbl since the changes. Kudos to the devs that listened and made the changes, Anet have done alot with this map to make it more playable and I do like the variety of being able to wvw somewhere different. But that is not to say dbl doesn’t still have issues.

Perhaps, if the frustrations with terrain that result in many failed teleports, ground casts and leaps could be fixed??? Game skills should work consistently.
Additional spawn mechanic or wps would be a very nice addition as it’s too easy to make the exisiting contested which results in a very long walk for defenders.

Hexalot.8194:

SkyShroud.2865:

It is pretty much about raid, the food has been there for years and only now they start to nerf it.

Yep. That “wiggle” technique was used while standing in front of bosses so you could dps them without actually having to run around to keep the buff going. Like we all know by now, everything is balanced around raids, full stop.

Agreed, it wasn’t very well thought out in regard to wvw where the “wiggle” isn’t a thing, where real movement has meaning and condi is meta.

Unless you are way out numbered, the fight to defend objectives is what brings the fun for me. Though not alot of point defending paper…
Often it’s about losing a wp in the keep that is more important not just score oriented.

But the numbers are interesting to see, ty OP for posting.