Guild Wars 2

I would just like to say that I for one have enjoyed the fights this week…Yes, we got a long overdue thumping, but it was needed in my opinion. Things were too easy for too long and DR was really not getting better. Hopefully it will make things improve in the future.

I for one am proud of how far DR has come in the past 9 weeks, and had no delusions that we would get much higher in tiers until we got more coverage, and learned more cooperation.

Mag and BP at this point are much further along in both strats and coverage than DR. I learned more this week than the past 5 or 6 weeks combined. Thank you.

Congrats to both of you, I hope that we can give you a little better fight someday

Wow, someone that transfered to a bandwagon server that still can’t stay in tier 1 talking kitten. Now we have seen it all as well.

Kain and Ferg you guys will be moving up soon I am sure. Will miss you guys but I know it will only be a few weeks before you guys are up with us again.

Thanks for all of the fun and battles. I will be pulling for you in whatever matchups you get.

Thank you for this! Made my day!

Read the sticky on upcoming changes

I would probably let you through if I saw that you were only trying to get map completion.

As others have stated though it would be impossible to tell that though, and you under estimate the people who actually WvW naked for kicks at times. I see a few almost every night lol. Those people do carry weapons though.

LOL

Tier 8 has been the same matchup for 9 weeks straight. I don’t see your problem in 20 days.

If you are bored I am not really sure it is the matchup. Sounds like you may be burnt out on WvW in general.

Mosharn.8357:

well switched to DR since they movin up a tier and there will be some good fights. Got tired of the new kaineng. Other then the main guilds the pugs here are dumb as bricks.

Takin most of kainengs map was fun today tried to get a battle marker on every gate for the lols.

Glad to have you Mosharn. Welcome. I hope we can disprove a few of the “Truths” that are out there about DR.

Or…

EOH could just come back home to DR

I thought of this same thing the other day myself. The only issue I see is that the enemy could send 1 commander to the opposing teams server and track everything.

Could relay how many people were on each map, how much supplies/upgrades each map has and also where to hit.

I agree it would be nice to have, but not sure that much information should be available, even to commanders.

I agree with Creslin, 99% of the talks I had in game with other servers were a lot of fun. Only once can I remember it being anything other than good conversation. It let’s you remember that those 2 other evil colors are actually just pretty cool people playing the game you like as well.

I think there was far less sitting on faces and other emotes when people knew you could right click and get their name to pay them back later lol.

Aeneasx,

We know we have issues Hell if you look back through post histories you will see that I am the first to admit both PRO and DR have a long way to go. As you stated in your post, we are trying to get better and adapt. I’m not leadership in PRO, just a peon with bored time at work that reads the forums.

LOL @ Junkhaus, was it a superior ballista?

Attic, ya I know…I am done with Tiglie, he isn’t going to get me into this again. Good call.

Creslin,

Understood, it’s just that Tiglie thinks since he runs in a coordinated group, and can kill larger groups that everyone else is subpar…that was the point I was making.

And

last week the points were very close…could have went either way. I have no doubt it is possible for either of your servers to win.

Let me put this in terms that may make more sense for you.

You are like an NBA player that plays the game because of his Free Throw ability. Your team/server actually needs offence and defense, but you decide you want to concentrate on those Free Throws and practice them every day.

Then when the game is over, you lost by 45 points, and the forum reporter comes to you in the locker room, your response is “I don’t know why everyone can’t shoot free throws like me… everyone else is subpar.” The score doesn’t matter!

You run a very coordinated good smaller team. I’ll give you props for that. Those groups as expected can take on much larger groups and usually win. That doesn’t make everyone else bad. It also doesn’t make you the snowflake you think you are. There are several groups on all 3 servers doing the exact same thing.

It’s your money, play the game as you wish (not at all the point of this post) Just saying the chest thumping/hate really isn’t needed.

Oh and LOL that WAR and iSPY left because of PRO zerging…. That’s the best one you have come up with yet Tiglie! Why not go talk to thenoobler and see why they left. PRO zerging will probably show up about #74 on the list.

PRO the new root of all evil…you crack me up dude.

Hills is notorious for still spawning opposition gaurds. Part of the reason they removed the orbs. Not saying it was on the up and up, just saying it is a possible.

" The general disposition towards dev and pro is reminiscent of the allies towards the axis powers of ww2."

Wow, really?

Not sure anyone on our side even thinks about you guys. Strange to note the different perspectives. It also seems Kain felt the same way towards you since in 9 pages of this thread not one person said they were sad you left. That’s weird huh.

As for the rest of Ferg and Kain. Good week fighting. Special shout out to the KN group. To be down on your numbers this week you have still put up a good showing and shown great spirit.

Congrats as well to Ferg for your Blue starting position this coming week. You guys earned it! Well played.

Zizanzi,

The PRO hate comment was towards Tiglie not you. Sorry I was not clear on that.

I do respect you and NOQQ.

See that is where we differ.

PRO isn’t winning anything or losing anything. DR is winning.

It’s about DR not PRO.

LOL wondering how long it would take for the PRO hate to start as well.

Yeah since you guys are always only 5 people. Looked more like 12 or so with Larp and NOQQ together all the time.

You are correct, it was nice just worrying about the small group and only where we were. Much easier than trying to help watch 3 BL’s and EB. I can see why you guys do it all the time. Much less stressful.

LOL @ Zizanzi, I think someone did hit ya with a treb with that math.

2 groups with a total of 9 people… 5 people in Group ’A" 4 more in Group “B” running together while coordinating in TS.

Zizanzi,

One of these days your big white cat protector is gonna run out of his insta rez cannisters and I am gonna get that treb dropped on you! LOL

Killed that dude twice last night and he popped up and both times was back at it fighting Outstanding work! Always know to be on our toes when you guys are around.

Agreed StormWolf…

Pushing cats with a rope is like a commander trying to lead a zerg.

My running mates went back to 5 mans last night. God that is so much fun Had 2 groups with about 9 total running together. Seems to be a good number….Enough to take towers at times, easy to coordinate, and still able to take on uncoordinated zergs.

I am really not sure from reading the forums that the higher tiers are any better at controling their zergs, they just have more people getting them coordinated. It seems almost every bracket is complaining of the same thing.

I tried yesterday to get this going in the direction of some tactics discussions but I can see that is not possible. Just too much venom to overcome.

Yes Tiglie, I am telling you the force that took your south was 15-20. Why would I lie Bro, I am the first to admit we have the numbers advantage. I really do not feel we should have to apologize for that. Again our 15-20 Way Pointed out, so if you really did kill 60 as you said at Crag, maybe they came back to the south after we left, no idea. I am not at all delusional, I can only tell you what happened when I personally was there.

Draygo,

You are correct. There are 2 main strats it seems that are being tried by a few people.

This week we have chosen to be roaming. (Except for our static EB people) It seems from posts in this thread Kain deploys more of a guild assignment strat with people being responsible for certain areas. They both have their weakness.

Roaming groups have the issue of too many people being out of place. You have to make sure someone is upgrading and that sentries are set up to warn of attacks and enemy movement. If that fails then you can find yourself out of position by a long way. That is what happened to us the other night.

The guild assignment/responsible for one area also has its problems. If one area gets over run, and those people call for help, they may not get that due to the other groups not wanting to fall down on their own assigned areas. It seemed to have caused a lot of issues on Kain last week. That is just an outside observation and I apologize if I read into it incorrectly.

We just have to figure out the best way to mix the two. Then we will start progressing at a better pace.

Sumwun,

Don’t let it get you down man….keep trying to joke and have fun. There’s a lot of people that are not near as serious as a few of the people posting the hate.

Detharos,

I always Bow to players that either charge a zerg solo, or put up a great 1v1 fight. Just seems the thing to do in my opinion. Plus I do not take most of the things in a “game” personally.

I have only sit on one enemy. That was an elementalist that killed me 6 on 1 and then did it to me first I spent the rest of the night hunting them, and sat on them three more times lol. I guess I let that one get too personal… May have been the Guiness.

StormWolf,

I think all 3 of our servers are very decent in strats and adapting to what is going on, but we sometimes miss the small details.

Where I see DR’s problem is like in last night’s battle.

Ferg put a kitten load of pressure on DR, taking all of our South, Hills and was beating on Bay.

We finally were able to catch them luckily at Bay and stall them, then with numbers (not gonna lie) push them out of our BL.

This is where DR decides we have to put pressure on Ferg or they will just be back soon. That’s why we went to Ferg BL. We had no delusion of actually taking the map, it was just to keep pressure off.

Here in my opinion is where DR falls short, we need as many of you said, to have a better strat and split on what we hit and when. We were in the right place, just not being smart about it.

At the same time Kain did a very smart move by hitting DR while we were busy.

Action-Reaction. This is to me what makes WvW so much fun and so much better having 3 servers fighting each other.

Some people like the small groups and killing…I do too at times. But my biggest fun is sitting back at the end of the play session and seeing where we did well and where we blew it. You just hope your server gets it right more that wrong.

Siad,

I take no offense to your post at all Sir. I actually welcome it, and you are not saying anything that many on DR are preaching. Sometimes to deaf ears…

We right now have the luxary of numbers, and need to be working more on strategy. It is really hard sometimes, and I know what you are saying.

Plus say what you will, it is hard to stick to a strat somedays with you two servers out there ruining plans You guys are Kitten fun to play against.

Storm Wolf,

They do have a point to a degree, DR does need to improve to move up. Heck anyone that is honest about it will tell you that or they are fooling themselves. It is just easy to look at one battle on one BL and not understand what is going on spread out over 4 battlegrounds.

The thing we are trying to stress to everyone on our server is to realize that actions taken in one BL/EB do affect certain things and reactions in others. Good commanders see movements and react, Great Commanders move to create reactions. None of our servers have enough peeps to 100% concentrate on one area.

No we re took the bottom part of our borderland and put pressure on Kains BL. This pulled Kain back out of EB. Which we then re took what we lost in EB. Not sure why people think it all didn’t work fairly well.

We pushed Ferg, Kain saw an opening and tried to take advantage, We pulled off Ferg, took our BL back,, took a lot of Kain in the process, and then took back what we lost in EB.

The only thing we really lost was the gains we had made in Fergs BL.

You see there is also another way to look at it which isn’t always seen from the outside.

No idea about Cragtop as I was in the south so I can’t comment on that one. There were about 15-20 of us South and we held it all including Red lake until we ported out. There was also a treb hitting your Bay, with all cannons and Mortars already destroyed.

If you did “Smash” us at Red lake it was after most had already ported out to Kain and our BL.

All of this was right after we set up a trap and got your group and the 3 golems caught in the water at our Bay. Whoops I forgot we don’t have strategy I must be mistaken Didn’t see the video on that one posted.

Yes we have a long way to go, but fighting you guys hopefully is making us a little better.

We didnt take the whole zerg to DR. Half went there to retake our BL, the other half went to Kain to make it a little more green. Worked well actually.

Actually,

Last night after pushing FC out of our BL, we went to Ferg and began trying to take things.

We had taken most of the south and had begun trebbing Bay from the Briar. Then what do we see… Our whole southern BL had turned Blue. Nice. So of course we again had to abandon the FC attack, leave trebs and everything else, and head back to our BL.

Kain, for people that want DR to keep on Ferg you sure don’t act like it lol.

Ferg defends like a beast and upgrades just as hard. Even with our OVER 9000 CHARGIN MY LAZERRRRRRRRR zergs lol you guys crack me up.

Siege in FC takes a while, not wise to attack and pull us off of it if you actually do want us to attack them.

Good night though, tough fighting everywhere.

Fair enough, and you are right it is none of my business. Believe it or not though, there are many of us, even on the “evil” DR server, that hate to see what is happening on Kain. We only see the outside ,and know nothing of the issues. (as well we shouldn’t) From the outside it is just a server imploding, which is sad.

Anyways, good luck to you all. I hope everyone can find some fun again in WvW.

What part makes me the idiot?

First page of the thread…a guild stated:

The reason we moved to Ferg was to fight new faces. I stated a fact about that.

Your post from this page:

We moved because WAR and iSPY left… unless they announced to the server a day earlier than on the forums, that was a fact too.

Not sure where the part is that I made up…

Really not sure why people can’t just come out and say what they mean instead of fabricating things.

“We love Kain but moved to Ferg to fight new faces” LOL Guess what Kain, they were already fighting DR so the only new faces are yours, the ones they “Love”

“We only left because WAR and iSPY left” Well a few of them had ESP or something because they were already on Ferg Sunday morning running with LARP.

WAR and iSPY had their issues and left, but they at least left the bracket so they didn’t continue to fight against you. I can respect that.

None of my business just saying you don’t need a degree in Rocket Appliances to see that there is awhole lot of “we will stick it to them” going on.

Lord knows DR has our own issues to worry about, so back to me worrying about those and not other servers.

Sotaudi,

Well said and explained.

Thanks for the work and info SgtKrazy!

Good stuff

Sentry guards are important because if you watch the map closely, (as most commanders do or have someone tasked with doing) you can follow enemy movements pretty easily and intercept.

They are not really there to kill enemy.

Correct, but you can keep taking out their seige to slow the taking of your tower/keep until help arrives from your mapchat information. Manning seige in an upgraded keep can delay a very large force for a long time.

The larger force attacking the keep “Should” have the advantage. They combined forces and moved as a group. The smaller group “Should” have to call for help in defending. WvW would be broken if that were not the case.

Not really. Your view is very narrow.

The rez function also helps the small group trying to defend a keep or tower against a zerg as well. If you are on the wall on seige and get AOE’d by the zerg, one of the other 5 can rez you so you can keep defending.

It goes both ways.

I dont know what was more fun to watch…the guy who Alt-F4d or the ones jumping off the cliffs lol

Well played and thanks for the laugh.

I think everything that could have been said on this subject was said in the last two posts you created on the topic. Do you really need to open a topic every week on the same thing?

I am sorry you do not like the Rez function. A lot of people do.

Sad times.

As much as I love fighting Kains and hopefully beating them, I never would wish server transfers on anyone.

Good luck to WAR and iSpy, I hope things work out for you in Dragonbrand.

Lyan,

Sounds likeyou have the right frame of mind to be a great commander

Blame and yelling only causes people to leave and others not to try. It also causes people to lose faith in commanders and makes it harder to get strats followed.

Naphack gave some very good info in that post. I would say you need to decide what type player you want to be.

I found Engi to be a breeze in WvW with a group. Grenades give you AOE that is great taking towers, defending them, and holding back a zerg. You also tag a lot of people with them so the xp comes quickly. Permanent swiftness from switching kits is a godsend on those long runs as well! Their weakness at least for me was 1v1 or single target damage.

I now am leveling a mesmer and in 9 days I am a 63. 90% has been in WvW. Much less chance for AOE, but I can single out targets and sometimes take them down, even though I am low level and undergeared. I feel like I can do much more single target damage.

Whatever you choose, have fun!

Budchgon,

No, don’t change your point of view, please.

You are exactly correct. No one has the right to rant, yell, curse etc in chat because we lost something.

No, the fact that you spend gold on something still doesnt give you that right. You know the risk when you upgrade, that is your choice.

People do the best they can, some pick things up quicker than others, and some of us just never will get it. They all have the right to play and have fun.

Really don’t want this to turn into some of the other MMO communities I have left.

OP is exactly right…It is only a game.

Wow!

Thank you Habib Loew! Alright guys we have it now lets make it good.

Now that is useful Hadan!

Thank you and please pass of the thanks to your Krew as well.

Kinky,

Nah, I was just frustrated with no info or threads on this board worth reading. Nothing to help with actually learning WvW.

You guys did all the work.

It is scary to think that half the people in our groups do not even know there are 3 ways out of each spawn…. or that this weekend we were with a commander that did not know Hills had a inner back door up on the Vista once inside the outer gate.

Not being mean to him at all or placing blame, we just have to get more info available.

Wouldnt it be nice if everyday we could keep at least one actual Tactical/Educational post going?

And

That aNet would sticky some of them….

Thank you Raehvyn! Awesome info and you give very good insights as to why we do certain things the way we do

aNEt how about those stickies…come on get this info saved!

It goes like this
The fourth, the fifth
The minor fall, the major lift
The baffled king composing Hallelujah

Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah

Great Post KinkyWarrior!

ANET can we please get a sticky on this so people will have it??? We Need these available on here.

Kinky,

Can you or someone else add to the upgrades section maybe a basic idea on what order to get the upgrades? Something like Keeps should be upgraded In order Walls,Gates,Cannons,Mortars then way points. (not saying that is right, just the way I do it. asking for confirmation) Towers should be ????

I feel that we as a community are pushing people to be zergs. They are afraid of making mistakes, or just get yelled at when they do make them. There is so much they do not understand they become lemmings. ( I do not mean that to degrade anyone, just making a point)

It is safe to run around and auto attack amongst the pack. It is easier just to run where ever the Blue Icon goes without thinking about what they are doing. This will not make people better or understand the game more.

I agree with you that this is a group game, but I also see a very big place for small 5-10 man teams taking objectives. If your zerg has the other team occupied fighting at Bay, a good small team can take half the rest of the map. These are the teams I enjoy running with. These are the teams that advance your strategies and success rates.

No matter how big your pop. sooner or later someones zerg will be bigger than yours. If you do not have a sound backup plan, and trained small groups, you will lose and fall down every time.

I didnt say give away all of your secrets I know each guild/server has their special tricks.

Knowing that the enemy can treb your garrison from Sunny or Cragtop, lets people know why the should be defended so tightly. There are priorities on what you should defend and why. Our whole teams should know these.

Knowing when you see Faith taken, Bay or Sunny will be hit next makes a big difference.

Knowing that a ram does not hit walls makes a big difference. I’ll admit to this one. I started WvW about 2 months ago. I ran around a day and finally started figuring out the maps (as in where to go, not how to play really yet). I decided I wanted to help my team more by buying some siege. Being poor I bought 2 rams and an arrow cart.

The small group I was in (about 5 mostly new) decided we would try and ninja Briar from the tunnel on the side. I dropped a ram, we build it, and then all realized it would not even hit the wall.

A commander then ran by and yelled in /s WHAT NOOB built rams on a wall!

Well I was that noob, and I can tell you it was many weeks later before I dropped anymore seige.

Just saying, you can share info on here without giving away your top secrets