“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
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Anyway, those were only a little ranty, so be grateful
I love this game and I want to see it live up to it’s potential more than my own enjoyment of it. Hopefully, they’ll be able to excise the ephemeral quality of it’s end game soon and give players a greater sense of permanence and substance in their gameplay
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
GW2 is a beautiful, if unfortunately ephemeral, game. However, it’s low number of active abilities makes it a bit constrictive for my tastes.
My suggestion is simple. Expand on the active item concept. Create a new, probably small, action bar for us to put devices, magical objects, sacred/cursed objects, technology of all sorts – primitive tech would be simple non-energy things like Grappling Hooks or Throwing Stars or Net, etc… Advanced would be the kind of stuff you expect from the stranger technologies developed by dragon cultists or the Order of the Silent whatever, or the Asura. I’m looking at you Miniature Singularity Generator.
A new system can be put in place to make interactable / usable objects laid out on tables or found amidst treasure or other non-interactable doodads. There’s plenty of room in this idea for a brand new profession, even an interesting ability or trait for Engineers to create their own array of unique gadgets. Asura could have a racial attribute in regards to using objects, finding them, finding better grades of them – which would make them not only interesting but potentially incredible! -, or crafting them.
This would make for an interesting new level of immersion if done well. I highly recommend making simple / low-damage / low-effect objects common, yet rarer than the rate one finds the same crafting mats in a region. An intermediate range of devices and what not can be more uncommon, and the really crazy and awesome gadgets and grimoires and cursed objects and anything else imaginable would be almost a rarity.
Maybe, have one or two really cool objects per dungeon, 10 in a map on 5 min CD timer. They can be put in several, randomly generated, hard to find places per map to add a treasure seeker element to dungeons. Lord knows PvE could use another layer of fun to them. These objects would be completely optional and would require searching to find, making their use a question of time spent vs reward that the group would have to consider. Groups with new, or undergeared, players could see finding these objects as well worth the time, as they’d give the players a much needed advantage.
Of course, Asura and Engineers could have a trait that gives them a 50% chance upon entering a decently large range of a tech object to have it’s location pinned to their mini-map. The same could be true for magical type items being sensed by one or more classes / races. This would further emphasize the relevant connection between race/class and the objects that so characterize them
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
Well, shortsightedness has struck yet another game
Trying to cater to too many people, or to one extreme, has left a once great trait system in tattered ruins.
While there are a lot of intriguing traits, getting to level 30 to begin using them is just unbelievably myopic. Why would this be appealing to new players, who are the supposed target of these changes? Getting there takes time, grinding, and a need for incentives to be enjoyable. Anet has removed the best of those incentives and condensed the system into a bad parody of WoW’s talent trees.
Not only are the first 1/3+ of the game doomed to being much more tedious, but the passive stat increases received from early trait lines are no longer available for increasing the speed and ease in which we get out of the lower levels! This is going to compound frustration for new players, not enable them to explore. God, it’s not like throwing 1g at a respec was even a problem; what reason is responsible for this travesty?
I love the idea of having grand master traits earned by embarking on epic quests, though the normal not-epic ones we’ve been given are a start, I guess. This is a worthy arena for new class specific instance, maybe a pseudo-individual finish for getting a class to 80.
Conclusion: New players aren’t going to benefit from this system. If anything, it’s an even less noob-friendly system than before. Just like WoW, leveling has lost some of it’s excitement and the grind has received a greater emphasis than before. Next time, don’t try to fix what isn’t broken, but add fun/interesting/necessary things to it.
The only good choice is a compromise: Keep the system the way it is, but return to the original point by point method. And, don’t start it at level 30!
It’s stuff like this that keeps making me take breaks in the hope of returning to a GW2 that’s got it’s feet under it. Living Story’s are a failed experiment imo, make them a secondary priority while new permanent content is added. It doesn’t have to be one or the other, which has made for a not-so-fun ‘end game’.
This and the trait compromise would fix the most glaring problems I have with GW2. Many of this game’s myriad deserters have had similar complaints about the lack of direction at end game, but they won’t be posting here to voice their opinions, unfortunately. It’s a pity, because this is a beautiful game – it’s the ‘living art’ aesthetic quality throughout GW2 that always brings me back – that deserves far more than the ephemeral mess it keeps proving to be
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
It’s silly to give us Racial abilities that are so crap that they can’t even compete with any classes slot and elite skills. I desperately want to use these abilities, but they’re useless, not even just worse than, but full on useless, except Take Root and the Fern Hound, but even those range from blech to mediocre on the comparison scales. The Healing Seed has its moment, but it impossibly steals aggro off mobs I’ve been wailing on for 10-20 seconds and gets destroyed before it does much of anything. This is the case for every single Sylvari racias, the getting one or two hit by weak mobs, the grabbing aggro out of nowhere, making these all really cool…distractions.
This has all been said before by an ocean of people with working brains and basic expectations. It’s been made quite clear that racials aren’t supposed to be on par with class abilities, which is a poor design philosophy from the “FUN” perspective, but Sylvari got the shaft and the barbed hooks and duct tape with this. All of our racials have health, can be targeted, can take AoE damage, CAN’T take hits without being destroyed, don’t fulfill what they promise in any way that can be considered satisfactory; seriously, five seconds attack time on the Seed Turret? Who thought that was a good idea? They’re lucky to get one shot off per fight! Incredibly slow attack speed makes them feel lame, poorly thought out, immersion shattering, boring, hack-job, etc… Battle is a beast borne of lightning speed, fury and skill. Seed Turret in its current incarnation is a mockery of battle and it sings it’s uselessness out to the world every time it’s used. Chances are it gets attacked and one hit before it even fires.
This isn’t the kind of thing I expected from Anet, what with GW2 having excellent combat. Unfortunately, the entire list of Sylvari racials range from absolutely pitiful to mediocre. Double the HP on ALL Sylvari non-elite abilities, reduce their aggro to the absolute minimum so PvE monsters don’t constantly attack them, raise the damage of the turrets, including the Take Root turrets, drastically increase the attack speed of non-Take Root turrets even if it means lowering the damage though a damage increase would still be necessary to make them competitive, let us tear down ALL turrets by interacting with them so that we can force their cool down timers to start when we choose. Etc….etc…
Actually, that about covers it Players love the freedom of customization that GW2 engenders, which makes it somewhat offensive to show such disregard for racial abilities, especially for the Sylvari skills. I ADORE the lore, the species, the style, the atmosphere, the graphical designs, the dialogue, kitten near everything about GW2 really. However, dangling all these excellent conceptual abilities in front of us would’ve been bad enough, but to dump these half-done, hare brained attempts at a finished, balanced spell kit is insulting to everyone, including those to whom the blame falls. Sylvari with genuinely functional / valuable racials are a dream that every Sylvari player undoubtedly holds in their heart of hearts.
With all that in mind, can we PLEASE throw away the design philosophy responsible for the drastically unimpressive, nigh useless, racial abilities being less valuable than class skills? More is better, and having valid racial skills that are, say 5-10% lower damage or duration or have slightly longer cool downs than comparative class abilities, then the design philosophy, which I imagine is intended to prevent unbalanced flavour of the month species / class combos, can still be satisfied without spitting in the eyes of everyone who isn’t a min-maxer, or kittenting in the cereal of every Sylvari player who hasn’t yet fled for greener MMO pastures.
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
Replying to a post from a closed thread that was directed to this one.
“Valin.4527
Add to the fact that this new condition, as we currently understand it, has ZERO PvE impact (mobs aren’t known for moving much) makes this a PvP ability.
Yeah, I hope we’re all missing something because this doesn’t smell well."
Do not take tips from the only MMO player who doesn’t know about the wonderful world of kiting and positioning… Now, where’s the emoticon that infers slight, yet non-detracting exaggeration? Better yet, maybe a forum that doesn’t require one?
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
Never heard of shark week, but thank you for clearing up the confusing name! I was also worried that we only had 1 week to do this content. Please don’t make names this confusing in the future.
Maybe, don’t be so ignorant in the future?
It’s not Anet’s job to pander to the uninformed. They chose a humourous name that the majority of players, half at the lowest, understand. That’s the kind of behaviour that should be given support! Especially when you get to learn something you didn’t even know was a thing! Learning anything is a gift, but if they pander to your wishes, then you’d be much less likely to be introduced to anything new or different. What a terrible state that would be shudders.
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
Eight Months ago I posted a suggestion for the max camera distance to be customizable. It’s still as irritatingly short ranged as ever. The number of times I’ve been taken by surprise because I can’t see more than a couple feet behind me is ashamedly high. Please, give us the option to zoom out 3-4 times as far as we currently can! It does come in handy and it is problematic without it.
WoW, or as I like to call it “The Scottish MMORPG” my apologies to those of you who don’t get the Macbeth reference has a great /command that gives us complete control over our camera distance, even one that alters the axis limitations that prevent the camera from spinning head to toe repeatedly so that we can move our camera any which way. This isn’t The Scottish MMORPG, though. So, only the Max Camera Distance command is necessary User control over something as basic as the camera is hugely desirable imo. Here’s the command:
/console cameraDistanceMax 1
to
/console cameraDistanceMax 999
1-999 is an enormous range in that game which can make your character more or less the size of an ant (might be exaggerating).
It’s very useful, very convenient and a very good touch of customization that is always appreciated.
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
You’ve made some excellent suggestions
I would adore taking part in this nigh-unending sub-zone warfare! The idea of fighting over no man’s land, complete with enemy counter attacks, is exactly the kind of PvE content this game is in a unique position to make the most of.
Taking dilapidated tors from undead champions / sub-bosses, defending them from the Risen as they attempt to retake it, all the while having multiple player groups holding the line or sending in assault teams to hit weakened enemy positions…this would be glorious I think giving the undead a set, though large, number of units, siege weapons / defenses and champions would be for the best. That way there will be a definite sense of progress.
After an arduous campaign, the players can be rewarded by entering into a small instance with an epic boss or an open world castle / crypt / dungeon where they can face a boss who scales stat wise (not just health) or, maybe adds a mechanic or two, depending on the number of players. Nothing says anticlimactic like an awesome boss with far too much health who WILL be killed by the zerg no matter how much health he has. Upon defeat it all resets. If he is not defeated within an hour or two of his location being breached or him becoming activated via battle, then the whole thing can reset once again. Having it reset on a set timer is just begging for everything to reset before players can finish the event and get their rewards.
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“While I agree that the forums are overly negative, being positive for no good reason isn’t any better.
You thanked Anet when you bought their product. Allowing them to keep their jobs is thanks enough for many of them, I imagine."
No, I gambled with my money when I paid for their product. It could easily have been something as horrible as Diablo 3 (what a kitten let down!). Thank Anet it turned out so well! There’s plenty of great reasons for being positive. It is, in my opinion, a kitten fine reason in and of itself. Being a jerk serves nothing except to satisfy one’s frustration while gaining nothing for trying to cause harm.
Voicing one’s appreciation for these people, who are utilizing artistic creativity rather than the mechanical efficiency one expects from a usual 9-5, will only aid and motivate them in future artistic expression. Constantly attacking people often hinders creativity and rarely solves the problem. Understanding basic human behavior is really not that difficult.
“Well said… Everyone nowadays wants to give cookies and cake for people doing their jobs. Its their jobs. And so far, it has been slightly above mediocre, imo.”
That’s your opinion, though the majority, and every professional critic I’ve come across, disagrees. That’s rather the opposite of mediocre
People involved in creating video games have an immensely difficult task ahead of them, one that requires very specific technical skills, artistic abilities, creativity, imagination, all of which must be top grade in order to please the masses. The people behind GW2 have done marvelous work. Therefore, they deserve to hear it, rather than only being given grumbles from the .001% of their player base which takes to these forums in order to complain.
Suggestions, advice, discussions, these are what a forum is intended for. This forum, like every other MMO forum, is often used, by adults giving into their inner-whiner, in order to spew the phlegm and mucus of a good cry all over it. It’s a brand new game which any other company would have charged $15 a month.
For $60 you could get a console game and spend 1/10th the amount of time rushing through it than it would take to do so with GW2. Rerolling, map exploration, titles, WvW, etc… there is no other $60 F2P game out there, that I know of, that comes close to this game. The leveling is amazing, every character will have VASTLY different experiences and stories. For a brand new MMO, that is not carrot + stick orient, this is plenty for now.
“I’ll thank them when they actually say something about the state of class balance and spvp. Silence isn’t golden, its frustrating and rapidly becoming inexcusable.”
Devs rarely give any direct input, regardless of what game it is. Chances are they’re bloody busy and haven’t got definitive answers, hence silence. Also, why do the dev’s requiring excuses for not answering players by player time tables? Not even pay per month forums get hasty replies. They can takes weeks, even months, to get round to the forums (which is reasonable as they don’t live there, they’re doing the jobs we want them to give us answers about).
Unfortunately, balance is an impossibility. Every other MMO has reached for it and failed. Stressing over it is a gamer and developer tradition, but it never goes anywhere worth while. Here’s hoping they don’t change much. As long as it’s not impossible to 1v1 or 2+vs 1 a class than they should probably leave it or risk completely unravelling their classes. Also, most people complain about balance when, in reality, they aren’t playing to the best of their class’s ability (including gear / stat combinations). These are the people responsible for MoP’s amputee talent system.
@Josher I agree there’s plenty to fix. There’s no argument from anyone on that. But you’re wrong about Dev’s not learning from other games and other developers. Unfortunately MMO’s don’t share the same codes, the same engines or the same technology. Everything is new. The people writing the codes are not the same people from other games, so you can’t expect them to have all of their experience. WoW’s on it’s fourth xpac and it has had innumerable game breaking bugs the whole way. It’s just something that’s going to happen in EVERY MMO you ever play.
Again, it’s only been one month. They have an enormous number of things to do and they are doing them.
This game isn’t WoW or a clone of it, which is reason enough to be thankful. It’s an RPG first and an MMO second. Humans are incapable of perfection or omniscience. So, when bugs or design flaws become evident it’s not something to freak out over. Make note of it, suggest alterations and ideas. Acting on frustration, bitterness, anger, etc… does not facilitate progress, it only make people less worthy of respect. It’s just a game after all. F2P at that.
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
I don’t miss raiding. Way too time consuming.
But even with a voice server..this game seems to make peeps much quieter than other games.
Less dramatic, insulting, angry and creepy too I do not miss listening to male My Little Pony fetishists talking over mumbles in raids or drunk nerds trying to hit on female players from the opposite side of the country. Though, the family insulting, onnery, senile grandmother that, somehow, got a hold of her grandson’s headset during a Nax run will be an endearing, hilarious, insane memory that I shall treasure till the day I die.
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
Kite Wars 2.
Where more than half of the available weapons and skills are melee but you will hardly use them. Where thief turn into engineers, warriors turn into rangers, guardians turn into mesmer. Where heavy armor is paper, medium armor is tissue paper and light armor is practically naked.
Lol
I like this post. I do feel the desire, though, to point out that any melee-capable class that feels forced to range is doing it wrong. Dodging is neat and running away when you can’t take the damage is always a good idea Blocking and absorbing abilities are great for these hectic moments. Here’s hoping we get the option to zoom out even further soon so we can see deadly red circles during graphically chaotic moments.
As for the OP: The game is still new and there are a bunch of bugs. It will be a while before the game runs as smoothly as one would like. Mob AI is pretty buggered right now, not just for bosses.
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
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“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
I main as a Guardian and feel that this Paragon is far cooler For the love of god implement it! If not as a separate class than entwine these very interesting abilities into the Guardian at some point. I’d buy an xpac just to be able to play this class or as my Guardian using these kinds of abilities. One of the trait lines could be rewritten to encompass Shouts.
Exquisitely bad kitten idea <3
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
Disclaimer: Purple is my favourite colour, I’ve experimented plenty and actually like Lepidoptera in reality. Any posts regarding sexuality, insecurity or anything other than genuine consideration for the subject is a sign of your own failed life and is not a reflection of me or this thread.
The Mesmer is a unique, amazingly fun and very inventive class. It’s easily one of the most interesting in MMORPG history. The F# abilities are a bit gimmicky, but are acceptable. When it’s all said and done, this class gets an A+. However, this being an RPG, the cloud of hyper-ephemeral pink and purple butterflies that my clones dissolve into breaks immersion for me. I imagine it does for plenty of other people who have just decided not to play the Mesmer. That’s very unfortunate. RPGs thrive on immersion, it’s a role playing game, the whole point is to immerse oneself into a role!
While many people are obviously amenable to the little buggers, and others outright adore them, I have yet to see any lore or symbolic purpose for them that justifies their existence. Especially for something that’s at the core of the class, I can’t just write it off as a silly ability. It’s what my clones are made of! This kind of thing irks me as it doesn’t fit. Every time I see them I just think “Why?”. What reason do they exist for? Are they part of the profession’s psychological warfare? Is this trolling made into a profession mechanic? If not than what do they symbolize? It’s like a flag has been attached to the end of my clone’s lives that says “Silly game! Silly game!” instead of “Awesome illusion magic!”
My suggestion is this: Considering some people already have FPS issues, regardless of their high end system (always happens in MMOs), why not add an option which turns off superfluous spell effects? Or give Mesmers an option in character creation or in game that turns them off? Everyone who wants the butterflies can have them. Those that don’t can do without
Obviously an enormous, burgeoning game has way more important stuff to do, probably for the next year, but that doesn’t meant this suggestion shouldn’t be made now. This also isn’t a demand to see it implemented, especially not anytime soon. Like just about everyone else,I’d rather more endgame content was added, game breaking bugs / exploits removed and FUN class tweaks made (for gods sake don’t remove the fun in order to create balance -_- That’s just a terrible path).
Maybe make the option one of a spate of graphical implements one can buy on the gem market. Give us a “spell colour palette” too while you’re at it ;3 Making the ethereal purple into orange, especially if I can make it orange and blue, would be fun It’d probably have to be reset to default colours whenever entering PvP, but that’s fine imo.
SUGGESTIONS! WHEEE! Make some of your own, by all means, just realize any heated or antagonistic opinions or feelings you may have are a result of self loathing, because really…it’s a video game, there’s nothing to justify hatred here. Any such replies will be self-incriminating. You have been elucidated.
P.S. For those with a kitten for leaping without properly looking: My suggestions are purely personal, aesthetic and would have no effect on anyone else. There’s nothing for you to defend. Everything would stay exactly the same for you.
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
(edited by Sunju.8310)
As has been said, in no particular order:
- Butterflies use their camouflage for deception
- Butterflies are the symbol for chaos theory
- Butterflies were used as imagery in the original GW
- Butterflies represent fragility and trickery via mimicry
- Butterflies work well with the purple colour scheme
- Butterflies are a stylistic choice by ANet instead of music because then they become Yet Another Bard/Minstrel Class.You aren’t being “forced” into this asthetic choice any more than any other profession and it is just as validated for Mesmer (due to the above) as the other professions with their aesthetic choices. Butterflies for Mesmers are no different than Locusts for Necromancers, Doves for Guardians, Elements for Elementalists… they were chosen because they represent that profession. Not to sound aggressive, as that isn’t my intent, but if you don’t like the aesthetic well… that is simply too bad. It makes sense and I can’t foresee them changing it anytime.
As an aside, I think that it would be an interesting experiment to have different “particle packs” as gem store items that allowed for different graphical tweaks. But then again, those graphical tweaks also make it better for distinguishing who is doing what during gameplay (especially any PvP aspect) that it might not be in ANet’s best interest. (The PVP aspect I talk about is also why in Team Fortress 2 you can change your hats and weapons, but your overall silhouette is the same: for easy distinction)
You make excellent points and weren’t offensive in the least <3 Unfortunately those are only possibilities as opposed to Anet’s purposeful addition of butterflies as imagery or lore. That is, of course, unless you’ve seen the developers answer this question before and are giving me that information. If so then I’d love to hear that
Considering Mesmers already have a music notes animation the line between Illusionist and bard has already been crossed. Not repeating the skill is a good way to keep away from the bard motif, but this is very much in the same vein for my current predicament: what the hell do the butterflies truly have to do with my class?
Thematically you, and several people before you, have given very worthwhile reasons for the butterflies to be in place. I enjoy your reasoning and have come to the conclusion that the butterflies are a hallucinogenic, arcane meta-species of butterfly. It explains their physical presence, which is important in maintaining immersion and key to any RPG. Bugger accepting it as an abstract comment on the themes the developers focused on while making Mesmers. That just doesn’t have a place in my game.
Here’s hoping a developer takes a shot at explaining why they did what they did as opposed to people giving opinions rather than facts…unless those opinions are of this poster’s quality. Really, some of you just need to start screening everything you say. Others require a live-in editor to watch over your shoulder every second of the day.
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
Purple and butterflies fit the whole illusion theme. I don’t know where do you live, but this is common sense if you read after illusion or mesmers at all.
I love it and that shatter sound is just pleasant to listen to
I live in the land of reason. It’s a nice place, but we’re rather stuck in the mud over nonsensical things Also I’ve played plenty of games with illusion magics, made studies of myriad religions, myths and legends across the world and have a veritable kitten for fantasy in any medium. To memory, Mesmers are the only instance connected with unexplainable butterflies.
Understanding symbols is a part of my scholarly pursuits, as well as being an important ability for anybody, so this is bit of confusion is rather jarring. It’s nice to see everyone has so many, apparently unfounded, opinions, but I’m looking for an answer to a question as opposed to what you kind of sort of think / feel justifies the existence for hyper-ephemeral pink and purple butterflies erupting from our clones.
P.S. You need to google Common Sense. You obviously don’t understand what is common or correct :S
“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry