Guild Wars 2

This is technically not correct, but is a great quote I’ve heard over the last few years that I’ve noticed finally gets people to stop and think sometimes.

“To do the same thing over and over again, expecting different results, is the definition of insanity.”

Honestly, I haven’t signed into GW2 for about 3 months, and it was almost 6 months that I had last signed in before that. I loved GW1. I mean, really LOVED IT. It was literally the best PvP experience I had ever had in any videogame. So I had high expectations for GW2 PvP. The truth is though, ArenaNet has every right to prioritize their focus where it will make them the most money. Believe it or not, because they are incorporated, they have a legal obligation to make as much money as possible for their shareholders. That’s how corporations work unfortunately, and will not change anytime soon. PvE and WvW content cater to a much larger player base then PvP does, and that will probably also not change any time soon.

So what am I getting at? To keep posting the same issues over and over is not getting you anywhere. It’s clearly not even a good outlet for venting frustration, as most of the same posters come back again and again, often with the same complaints.

So I invite you to do the following: Sum up your grievances here with one short, clear, and final post. Then if you really feel these issues are gamebreaking, it’s time to find a new game to satisfy your PvP cravings. Your complaints are clearly not changing the nature of the game, and are influencing other players in a negative capacity.

Again, I’m one of the players who already left, so I’m not trying to criticize you for being negative, I understand your woes painfully. I assure you there are other games out there, but you will never find the one you like if you keep playing one you’ve already decided against.

Arenanet forum employees: You may be tempted to flag or remove my post, but please think carefully before you do that. The forum rage has gotten pretty serious in the last 3-6 months, and it would probably be better off if you just let some of us angry posters gather here and then go, as opposed to censoring this post in the hopes we can all just pretend that everyone is happy and pretend the game is going in a direction it’s not. You make more money off of PvE content/players, that is fine, there’s nothing wrong with saying so. The only reason you have this many angry players is because you keep telling them their feelings are being addressed, when they’re not.

I’m telling you guys: Take a deep breath, let it go, and move on. Guild Wars 2 will never be Guild Wars 1. You will thank me later.

I count: 15 posts in this thread, 15 of them negative and complaining about things that have been complained about for over 1 year. I’m not criticizing any of you, I don’t even play this game any more for above mentioned reasons and more, I’m just asking you to think really really hard for a moment.
“Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result… that’s the definition of insanity.”

I was not a blind bot in Gw1. Had many good burning or chill builds. One of the chill builds I stopped playing it was so easy to win. I would be happy to be a significant burn our chill bot again.

Quitters PM me, I will save your PvP hungry souls.

phoenix+electric discharge+arcane wave,blast+fire/air sigils+lightning flash+air2 scepter +rtl= 20-25k in 1sec.

Bro I don’t know if it’s reading or counting that’s hard for you, but that’s at least 6 skills/button presses, by any account…. and my usual favorite, something along the lines of
“A thief caught out of stealth is a dead thief” – you mean like how an ele caught out of stealth(all the time, since we don’t stealth) is a dead ele? Aaaand because you’re sooo squishy, stuff your Medium armor class? You literally have it so easy you don’t even realize what squishy means. Lol

Murdered a guardian and a necro in TPvP today with my staff ele. As much as I would like to think it’s because I’m sooooo awfully powerful now, it probably does have something to do with the noticeably easier opponents in PvP right now. Give them a week to be scared back off.

So i want to try out this new Earth Ele trait for PvP, as it may be Ele’s only saving grace finally, and can’t even test it/unlock it.

I don’t have 10G just lying around. I rarely PvE, so no 10g. So I figure I load up my Lvl 80 PvE character (because I do have one in case I need to go somewhere/do something tough in PvE, I am prepared, you know) and go kill this Karka queen.

Apparently I missed her by a half hour, and it doesn’t even come back until 9 pm tonight? So I can’t even unlock this trait now and play with it while day off from work, cause no way to acquire it before 9pm tonight. Even with megaserver system, twice a day?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRgggggggggggggggggggg!

How do I ‘get the stars to align’ to do 14k with one hit with my Ele?(Who has no invisibility mechanic and less armor). Oh that’s right, I can’t.

Gif= needs new word for a league far past awesome..

Wonderful. This thread is awesome.

Also, respawn after death was too quick. not punishing enough to die.

@Blackbeard
Thanks for that advice, I will look into that actually. Sounds fun, could be cool with the courtyard, which I really did like, generally.

My friend only signs in like once a month, hasn’t leveled a single character to 80, and murders people in PvP with his Mesmer. Just throwing in two cents.

Needs a que, can’t get even matches. For those of us that bought this game for the balanced PvP we expected from GW1, hotjoin does not work. Don’t get me wrong, I got the high scores I wanted and had done fun last night, but still never got a single, close to balanced death match, which I have waited many years for now.

I’m starting to think I should just get my accounts refunded and just move to a game where they don’t just randomly do whatever they want all the time. "We heard you all have a great idea the majority of you agree on! That’s why we’re totally going to do something else! " Guild Wars programmers do it for the lulz.

Add me to “would like to see downed state gone” list. A poster above claims that we are minority, but it seems the general consensus is: “downed state should go” all up and down this post…

Wait. So there will basically still be zero way to get something even close to fair for death match because it’s in hot join? But then results will determine if it stays?
AAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGG you kittening amateurs.
You’re shooting deathmatch in the foot before it ever even gets a chance. Seriously, I can hear the super-genius alarm screaming every time you guys make changes, you’re getting worse, not better. Remember if you kill our game, you may really never get hired to make another serious videogame again. Aaaaaaaarrrrrgggggggg!!!!!!!!!!

My favorite line from these posts :
“The thief is the squishiest class.” or “My thief is so squishy…”
No. You’re in the Medium armor class, not the light armor class. That is what’s knownas a fact. Think it’s hard surviving now? Take an Ele in PvP, any weaponset your little heart desires, and then see how “squishy” you are when you have lowest life, lowest armor, and no stealth/auto-survive, not to mention all of a sudden you won’t do much damage either. Tell yourself L2P as all your old thief brethren just pwn you all day.

Thief squishiest class, lol, by basic definition just sooo wrong.

Don’t understand why they don’t just have a separate PvP server for those that think it would be fun? Then you wouldn’t have to even see any of us ‘toxic’ players on your server? Also, it could be fun end content- switch to an open PvP server when you have a bunch of leveled characters for more challenging gameplay, would refresh all of the game world for some of us.

In GW1, I savored every Gladiator Point I earned, because I knew I had earned every one of them. I miss that feeling in GW2

I still don’t get why there isn’t a dedicated server for those that DO want PvP enabled in the world. No-one would have to go there if they didn’t want to? No, WvW doesn’t count, that’s just big bunches of players running into other big bunches and Doors. So many stupid doors and catapults and whatnot… no skill required there.

I actually read up some on Nexon. For sure, it’s important to be a saavy consumer these days. In the future, you keep your eye out for Nexon games, and let other people know they are the doomstick if they get involved in a game you like.

If we as consumers don’t start abandoning ship with a quickness when shady companies get involved in products we like, this will just happen more and more often. Mons op was great, but most likely will be ignored mostly. With the amount of keys he had to press to write that post, he could already have slayed many wizards in (cough cough) Magicka. He certainly would have enjoyed that more than writing that essay. If game management doesn’t want to listen, don’t keep begging them, just dip.

My fav fav was like meteor shower, the two echoes, the non elite version of savanah heat(can’t remember the name) with some lava font. Sky full of chaos. =)

Played Wizard Wars all night dueling. It was the jam.

You need a large amount of players for matches to be even somewhat balanced… …

A lot of the imbalance here comes from the fact that strafe and especially ‘run backwards’ are slow as balls. If you could cast and run back a little bit here and there, it would be a lot more effective to be ranged.. check any good player guide, it tells you not to run backwards because that is death.

They should remove ‘run backwards’ entirely. So tired of being ‘ranged’ character and only being at range for one second in battle.

MWW is in Alpha, and added duel already. And gasp I gave them $12 you could have gotten Anet. Something to think about.

Eh, no subscription, decided I could always check back later. Keeping busy with Magicka Wizard Wars for now, that is super fun if you want to wizard out in pvp while we wait for GW to get it together.

They aren’t actually making any changes to the staff with this update though, correct?

Also you can move while casting Scepter L1 and E1, and the Do count as channel skills…

Frostbow 4 does not register as a channel skill. If you take Obsidian Focus, the Earth Trait I’m talking about, you do not get the armor bonus while casting Frostbow 4. =( Outside of the 2 Scepter channels, this Trait, like many others, is essentially useless. =(

@Gearbox I agree with you wholeheartedly about the 4th Wall no cleave thing, that is one of the reasons I quit bothering with dungeons, no one even wants to play the game. =(
@Hallus I understand your pain, if I’m hearing you right, you feel our other standard weapon choices are lackluster, I agree entirely. When I first saw in this game that the Ele would have builds that had all 4 elements in it, I thought that would be way cool. Then I realized I could never build a specialized old school(and effective) build ever again because I can’t choose a focus for my effects. Ex: I can’t do damage and be a chill master, any given standard Ele weapon set has, wait for it…. 1 chill attack. You can get extra chill effects other ways, but you sac. a lot to get something basic you before would have gotten just by choosing skills. Becoming terribly painful not to be able to log in and be Burning Wizard, or Chilling Wizard, anymore. In oldschool RPGS, lightning was never my element of choice, and now I practically have to slot for it. =(

@Churb I agree that they feel unfinished all around at least. With 60 CDs, I would love if the conjures at least insta-cast, or came out quicker still. Improvements have helped and made them much more playable, but they could take that last step without it breaking the game. I would consider Lava Axe if it was instacast for sure.

Also, I’m typically referring to value you would get in s/tPvP with these skills, ususally where I play as I feel PvE to easy to juke/cheat, and WvW just to Zergy for me personally. As a general disclaimer to where i think these things are relevant. To those who ask who ever hits with FrostBow 5 in PvP, I ask, how can you miss with that thing after FB3? It’s awesome. =)

Also generally I would love to use a good Elite and not lose all my other skills while it’s active I feel like?

I just ask because I play staff Ele, and can’t seem to find a lot of reason to use the Earth trait that gives you armor while channeling.
There are a lot of skills at my disposal that seem identical in how they are cast to other skills, but one is a channel and another not. Are these just things ANet missed and never bothered to fix? Ex:

Engineer: Poison Dart Volley, Ranger: Rapid Fire, and Thief: Unload. All these skills fire a number of bolts at a target over time, basically function and are animated the same. All these are ‘channel’ skills. But then you whip out the Frost Bow and fire FB2 which essentially functions the same, and it is not a channel?

I could point out many more examples where the animations and output styles for different skills match, but one is a channel and then the other isn’t. I can’t speak for the other classes, but as an Ele this is directly relevant to one of my trait choices in Earth….

I can see you read my post, but I’m not sure you actively thought about what I said.

You admit some conjure weapons not so great. So I’m in a pinch where I need Frost Bow quickly, your solution means I can now only get it by switching to Water first, which takes more time and sometimes ISN’T EVEN AVAILABLE because it’s on CD.

When I conjure in Lightning, it’s because I need Frost Bow. When I hit the conjure button in earth, it’s because I need Frost Bow.

As someone who actually DOES use a conjure steadily in his build, I can tell you that would kill all effectiveness of the frost bow. NO. THANK. YOU.

Like you said, Frost Bow is pretty much where it’s at for conjured weapons. Not being able to cast it 75% of the time(when notnin water)? No thanks, that would pretty much make it useless again.

Is there any rhyme or reason as to why some skills are channeling skills and others are not? It seems that some skills that are almost identical in different professions but one is a channel and the other is not…

???

would allow you to have copied spell from one element while you were fighting in another element – zillion possibilities there

Echo + (x)…
… Meteor Shower – 2 at same time, but only once because of long CD of MS.
…Lava Font – Spam lava fonts while in Elite mode, way fun
…Conjure weapon – Team Weapon Conjures
…Lightning bolt Spam
etc…
The idea for Echo always was:
at max it’s only giving you an extra skill identical to one you already have anyway that isn’t Elite, so who can cry OP.
Opens up builds where you can’t quite proc the effect/skill you want often enough
When used on powerful skills, they have long CDs anyway, so you only get one or two extra in before Echo timer runs out

Who else has used this in GW1 successfully? Think it could port?

Also, I think next Elite, for absolute sure, should be something like Echo/Arcane Echo from GW1 mesmer class.

For those that never used it, it made tons of off kilter builds more viable and was more fun then a barrel of monkeys. I used to carry this with my Ele and double up on Firestorms, or lava fonts, AoEs, all sorts of funs stuff.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Echo

@Cheese
Thank you good sir, my feelings exactly, but I had decided the post wasn’t even worth responding to, because of the many reasons you mentioned.

5 procs, ROTFL!

Lol. Ok, seriously guys.

Take Elemental Surge for once instead of Evasive Arcana, then equip at least Arcane Wave and Arcane Power. Preferably with Frost Bow or Arcane Blast as third choice. Equip armor to lengthen condition durations and sigils for more condition on proc. Realize you have practically everything you asked for in above posts.

I know you think Evasive Arcana can’t be lived without, but I assure you there are Many Possibilities with Elemental Surge, Arcane Power, and Arcane Wave

So I really liked staff ele as my main since game launch. I think it has tons of fun potential. However, it has been really frustrating in PvP, which is where I like to play, because it is really hard to hit consistently, even when people aren’t dodging/blocking etc.

I did a lot to improve in this area. I upgraded my entire computer system. Twice. Having a solid frame rate is in my opinion the most vital factor when playing as a staff ele, and this helped MASSIVELY.

I got a mouse with many more buttons, and trained many crazy combos into my poor fingers.

I’ve played with GW2CM, and found that to be an interesting option. I’ve even gone as far as practicing fighting backwards, since waddling backwards is so slow and you often fight defensive battles as staff ele. Hint: program a modifier key to ‘look behind’, then use second key binding set to reverse program your walking keys with the mod key.

Basically, I’ve gone the distance, and one of the things I always come back to is our auto attack.

PRACTICALLY ALL OUR SKILLS lack autotargeting of any kind, and we deal. Then, the one set of skills we do get with autotargeting(basic attacks) are sadly ineffective for various reasons(terrible speed/autotargeting, low damage, etc).

Is there any way pretty please for the love of Baalthazar that we could get our auto attack finally reworked? It would make us soooo much more viable at the distance we supposedly are designed for.

Pretty. Please. With sugar on top. Working. Autos.

GW2CM. Trust me.

I actually like each of the above suggestions also, I’ld be happy with any of em. =) Changing the CDs on all the skills individually though is something I fear they will never do. =(

Hi,

In the options menu for the game, there is an option to recenter the camera to the left or to the right.

In the future, is there anyway there could also be an option to move the camera default position up and down? I think that would be much more useful then left or right anyway, especially for ground targeting and field awareness.

Any takers?

(If this should be moved to another forum, that’s cool, I didn’t know where to put it, the suggestions forum doesn’t work anymore?…)

What do I do with all this stuff since it’s got to be used before next update?

I mostly just clicked through a million PvP chests, salvaged what didn’t go in locker, left with all this dust, orbs, pieces, etc, don’t really know what to do with any of it since I never salvaged or crafted in Pv E/P/W etc.

A simple way to turn this all into something useful would be nice.

Help!

Thanks!

I really don’t find burning so overwhelming…

Since trait reworking is happening.

I think having the Skill Recharge traits available at Adept tier instead of Master would be nice since we have such problems with recharge rates. Opens up many possibilities, even the fast recharge Ele, 10-10-10-10-30. Ele would be using all Trait buffs (aside from the Arcanes getting to 30) to achieve this, so balanced, but low cool-downs for some builds, even all the way up to Low Cool Down Ele mentioned above.

Pyro/Aero/Aqua/Geo-Mancer Alacritys (20% Reduced recharge for Element) in Adept Tier. What do you guys think?

Discuss!

Ele could be Master of Changing Gears in Battle.

Easy Fix: Eles and Engis at least(if not all classes, saw that above, would be cool with it) should have 5 sec CD on On-Swap Sigils. I think this should be specifically for the 1-weapon-set classes only, but like i said, 5 second CD on on-swaps only. The rest(on crit, on kill, etc) it means less versatility(made up for by Ele/Engi large Kits), but still as much potential power, for any 2 sigil combo.
10 sec CD on On-Swap for Eng/Eles way too long though, for sure.

This way also leaves everyone else’s stuff alone, while def. NOT making the Ele’s/Engi’s OP.