Guild Wars 2

I took a break of almost 1 year i was hoping id come back to a balanced Ele gameplay but everything is the same.
I play Guardian and Ele in pvp and the difference is so large that it makes me cry. Ele can’t do anything, even staying alive is next to impossible when you get ganked by thief and Necro due to the absurd burst of condis you can’t cleanse and the physical damage.
My build is tanky but obviously not tanky enough since i die within 2seconds..

DH on the other hand is still very op and can more or less easily take on any fights.

Thank you ArenaNet for a great game, i just think you need to hire someone to come and do some ACTUAL balancing among ALL the classes not just 2-3.

I do praise the effort of bringing more ppl to pvp. I mean the backpack brought me to pvp. I was a casual pvp player but now full time.
And guys I mean not sure what your thinking someone had to think of the idea of backpack for pvp. Appreciate the team for that. Good idea, implementation may have been good on paper but it’s kinda meh..
On topic like a guy above me said combat is fast but that’s not gonna change without massive and dractic changes. People who watch the fight should know ways happening due to flashes and a lot of skills beeing cast.
And for gods sake bring a better comentor, i watched it a few times and they seem to be struggling. I mean no wonder since they do need to explain everything because it’s going on as fast as it is but still..
Not saying they are bad but..

Not sure what Anet is trying to do, if sites covering mmo’s got this along with legendary thing, im sure they would have a field day, i can allready see the headlines:
Anet stomps their promises, then starts hiding sensitive dev posts! What is going on in gw2?! Too long?
Anet breaks promises and Deletes Dev Threads! : D
Like i said, this NOT THE PR YOU ARE LOOKING FOR ANET!

After legendary fiasco.. this is NOT THE PR YOU ARE LOOKING FOR ANET!:D

Id have to agree with Alekt, i also stopped playing for a good month because of the changes to Ele playstyle. Our damage build is not competitive enough to play it over say Reaper or Scrapper and healbot gets boring rather quick, not to mention your limited to a set of weapons D/F.
In comparison i started playing Reaper just so i could get the leg backpack. Guess what, its completly stupidly overpowered. Kills anything but a skilled scrapper in 1v1 and still can easily 1v2 some other fights.
Just saying once you see this HUGE power difference its really sad and puts a perspective on where Ele is atm.
Its that place where you can’t really get out of. Reaper brings so much damage to the team and all the healing and support ele does just pales in comparison..
I still play it though, i keep hoping but unless our team can make up for my lack of damage we just lose..

It will stay this way for god knows how long. I have been playing only ele in pvp but recently I switched to necro, you just can’t move up w ele. It’s impossible, well possible but you need an op team which is 1 in 15 games in solo q. Also I need to point out I never played necro before. So after 2-3 unranked matches to get the hang of the build you can imagine my dissapointment.
A first time necro player I was completely and easily soloing 2 people…
It was so sad and made me cringe..
Ele was compared to that a class on a whole diff level because when u fight against op class you learn to play, dodge, stay alive..
Horrible imbalance just horrible..
Also nowadays if I even try to play ele that usualy spells loss for my team. And when I see ele on other side I think easy win unless he’s premade w 2 more..

its totaly broken, i chased the guy and was like wtf did i kill him or not? Thought he was using a hack initialy, but then it happend to a guy on my team..

Here Devs, fix this asap, its breaking games and in my match it happend 2×.

https://youtu.be/cuxH469zhtE

Yes reporting also ping all over the place, average 400 impossible to play

The pvp playerbase is far smaller then the PVE playerbase, while i do agree with everything you guys are saying, it would be better if we would get tweaks for our Ele’s sooner rather then later.
I also understand its something a company has set as goals and that time is needed to sift through the data and data requires time to form. But its underwhelming when only 2-3/9 classes are viable in pvp. Does that not facilitate a need for some changes?

I mean its like your only catering to 30% of your pvp player base.. and rest of us can just either quit, provide food and be a stepping stone for the FOTM classes or simply learn the FOTM class, i like Ele and i do try to contribute in pvp but every time i enter the game i feel like im a burden to my team…

Pretty awsome i say, i mean i just got roflstomped today through 8 of my matches played half of them had 3x necro on their side. We did win 1 of them, but i think they were noobs in that one.*
All the other ones, its really a laughing stock. Also yes im emerald atm, also all of you pro players who will say necro sucks later in ruby, i say bullkitten!
I play Ele and DH, noone can clense the amount of conditions they can stack, not to mention the sheer amount of damage needed to kill them, also they are probably not going to wait for you to kill them.*
Id say thank you Anet, your vision of how pvp in this game should be truly shines on, for those few players who play necro, thanks but il keep feeding them and try to play classes i actualy bought the game for, not be forced into playing something else to be competitive.
While i do know balance is a delicate thing, there is such a thing as test server, player feedback etc. Not sure who provides the feedback in testing phase but im sure a lab monkey would do better then what we have atm.**
/end rant

you can’t haz my stuff
*il keep trying to play classes that are “not meta” and pray to god for some “balance” since hes the only one who can help us now
***i reserve the right to my oppinion

Indeed i agree that Ele is in a bad place, it should be viable to play in more then one role, but its not. As you can notice i don’t rly kill anyone. My build involves power, but not crit chance, its more for peeling off on point and providing support and CC to my team.

That said the build only shines with a good team that does more damage then your standard team since they need to compensate for my lack of damage.
But with a good team the payout is great as you keep them alive through most of enemy damage while they kill off enemy players.

Its also very frustrating to play when you get people who don’t know how to play their class then you really can’t do much, you try to keep them alive but they usualy succumb to a class they should be superior to. That said its not helping when i can’t deal as much damage as someone who would, but even if i was a damage dealing class it usualy would not help since matches are usualy 500/200…
Anet do something and make ele more viable then just a healbot..

Yes its unranked, but we were at a dissadvantage entire match. I have a normal mouse nothing too fancy, considered getting a better one with more keys but can’t atm..

I used playstv app from raptr, initialy i wanted to upload a video there, but after 24hours of video processing, another upload which again did not work i simply uploaded to youtube and video was available within 30mins.

Though playstv app does a good job of preping the vid for upload :P

Also i used to use dagger/focus-warhorn but i use staff atm because it brings more CC to the table an AoE heals which are slightly better for my style of play. Though the lack of damage is noticable…

Did you even watch the video? Died? Threw? Afk people? Video was meant to show tankiness and survivability of an elementalist. Your mindless comment makes no sense.
The fact that I stalled 2 people on enemy home point got us a win from a 100point dissadvantage..
I know its hard when you want to appear cool and thrash me and my video but please check your facts before you do so because your comment only made you look dumb @laraley

I don’t really want to give up my class because it doesn’t deal enough damage, or has enough sustain to actualy deal significant damage.
If the only role we can play is support, then il try to do the best i can in it and not jump ship to other class.
Every class can be tanky, but ele brings CC to the table. : )

You do realize current Ele “tankiness” comes at a tradeoff of doing negligible damage to anyone? Unlike Cele amulet which gave us all around good stat set, now we can’t do much, only tank and heal and cc, useless in most team comps because players either don’t know how to play with one, or team comps are just bad and can’t live long enough for you to heal them…

I do understand that, im simply outlining the only build that works atm. Its hard enough finding good builds for the state in which Ele is now, but hey at least we have 1 working now..
I do want a damage build that would not die to thief AA in 2 seconds but unless Anet fixes something we will have to be forced to play a support role.
In my oppinion we should have all 3 viable ones, Power, condi and support not just one at a time.
For now im just happy with a working build, one that doesn’t get me flamed, or leaves me feeling bad for not beeing able to contribute to my team properly..

I main Ele in PVP, a while now, not sure how many hours i have, im not pro im one of those mediocre guys playing in pvp w a class they like.
Anyhow since the patch hit i voiced alot of my oppinion on negative side of changes and nerfs to us. We still suck no worries, but hey at least we have one entire role where we can excel..
Anyhow here it is, music was random nightcore set playing on my second screen, this is my first ever upload so don’t be too rough on me.
Anyhow im just happy i can showcase that we DON’T ENTIRELY SUCK! We are good support at least.. even tho we do very little damage..

Enjoy the video, comments appreciated!: )

I did not mean to imply i am in any ways more important then anyone else, i was simply saying that i got my friends to play out of love for the game. Guess i should have put it this way. Its not about the Ele op’ness, its the issue that we don’t have any kind of build that can survive in pvp anymore, and it frustrates me alot..
So il make a break until something is brought in order, or i get an urge to roll a necro or rev.

I’m one of those players who got a bunch of his friends to play gw2, I played it since launch and have been here a while, I played PvP on and off until I recently really got into it a few months back.
I’m taking a break from the game and just want to explain that it’s because of lack of communication from Anet. While I do understand as they pointed out they read forums and implement changes at some point, without any real communication about changes we are all complaining about.

In my case it’s about ele/tempest, yes yes..
I am kind of sick of beein frustrated, comming to forums daily looking weather something will be done to alleviate my concerns about ele beeing viable in PvP in some way.. just tired of waiting for someone to say something from Anet, and not getting anything.
I don’t like necro or rev I consider ele the most fun and versatile class to play. That’s gone now.
I hope the game will be healthier in a few months.

Like reikken said I also tried a few damage build combinations but there is litteraly no way for us to survive, all the builds lack defense and or power.

If you go somekind of support build and self-defense where you could/should survive there is litteraly nothing you can do.
None of the amulets work for us, I tried defensive healing, veru low hp die rasulu to condi/direct dmg.
I tried offensive combinations but there are too many classes who have such an easy time to kill you it’s borderline offensive to anyone who mains ele…

Not saying we can’t do anything, saying that our niche is so narrow now that your regular none-esl or tournament player won’t be playing ele.
Ele can now only be played maybe as a pure healing support way back where you can try to escape anyone who tries to initiate on you which is sad.
Also new trait is trash, don’t know who designed it but it’s completely worthless and does not even deserve to be a minor trait.
I mean who in their right mind gives a class with lowest no pool, no armor and relies on mobility and not taking dmg a trait for receiving direct damage.

Thank you Anet this trait really helps me when a DH trueshoots me from my 12k down to 8k, or when a thief comes at me and I’m trying to support my team and drops my up inside 3sexonds down to 30%.

Balance? How about random guessing, it would have worked better in this case probably

Props on the patch but il complain about Ele which i main in pvp.

Yes i do agree something had to be changed because i was too tanky in my support role but i kind of think your team did not do a good job, as i was explaining it to someone else somewhere..
Ele is a mage class, the new diamond skin requires you to take direct hits to remove the conditions, i mean come on, in a meta where crits are 6-10k depending on class and build, i mean im not sure what balance team was thinking?

It was probably something along the lines;

“time to give ele a nerf to diamond skin”
-“awsome lets give them remove condi on receiving a hit, also to make it way more awsome lets do a 1sec cooldown on the trait, that way they can remove 3-5 conditions before their hp drops”
“wow that sounds great we will go along with this!”

Do the people who put up this balance patch not think about the other professions and how it reflects on ele? Did they not do the math of a normal match and see what type and how much of dmg an Ele receives and in what way through the metabattle builds which 90% of the pvp community uses?

I mean im sorry but it looks like noone actualy did any real work behind the thought of changing/removing/altering the DS trait.

Also on another note, to keep up with the removal of the conditions we STILL need to struggle against we are forced traiting earth and water constantly, because:

-squishy normaly
-low hp pool
-water removes condis
-water keeps us alive

I do want more options for pvp, i understand they are hard to come by, but it doesn’t look like anyone is even trying to do something that could benefit Ele in the long run…

Epic removal of conditions when struck, i thought the whole point of a mage class was to be mobile/outside of the fight…

All this does is FORCE us into playing water builds, without real options to combine something else, like Air, Arcane and Tempest?

I love the churning earth change since i was crying about it yesterday.

I mean looking at the above it looks like we got buffed, too bad we won’t live long enough to make use of these “buffs” we got in pvp

Come on guys, you could have released patch notes at least a day before.
nuff said..

Yes its about all the shiny stuff we get :P

Keep the thread alive and we MAY get noticed…

It only just delays the inevitable, and our other skills can’t compare, namely the grasping earth, when you look at rev, guard or any other class they all have some kind of knock/stun/disrupt plus something else.

I mean its litteraly so bad you don’t even have to do anything once your downed, you just hope they stomp you asap so that you can spend LESS time downed and delaying the inevitable

Unless you have an epicly awsome team with fast ress, you won’t get up, not to mention you have no way of disrupting the enemy while he tries to stomp you while your beeing ressed…

Simple, compared to ANY other class we suck, sure we got mistform, but apart from that what else?

Every other class has 2 skills that benefit their downed state better while we only have mistform..

Also please don’t speak about grasping earth since you can barely pull off its cast half way through before you get stomped

providing you used mistform and got away somewhere to buy youreself time, which is never enough if someone is following you to stomp

It could be a separate check point in the outfits section

meaning if you own one, you just check it to show over your armor/outfit…

shameless bump +1

Anet, can you please consider adding an extra slot for items like these (Winters presence, nightfury)? I love to wear the winters presence, its awsome, it would look even more awsome with a Shoulder piece, OR with my crystal nomad outfit..
Make it happen for the little guy in me who doesn’t want xmas to end!
XoXoXo

I would love to see a Paladin as guardian Elite spec with the Tomes we had, to rain holy judgment on blaspheming (insert race here).

The tome skills we had were good, they just needed tweaks, i loved the Elite one which made a huge AOE explosion it was really amazing to see.

I hope they make it back as an Elite spec, that would be epic

I kinda agree with posthumecaver, enough whine and you can push Anet into changing anything in the game.

I do agree though that diamond skin needed a rework, but id rather it had a:

Pulse every 2 seconds to remove 1 condition above 85-90% hp, it gives enough time cleanse, while struggling with the conditions

On the other hands you will still lose hp, so its kinda win win, you will lose health but you will still be cleansing and fullfilling your role as a support who needs to stay alive to buff their team

The issue comes from the Anet inability to properly balance it, if the pulses are too frequent we would be op, if they are not the trait will be useless.. Since we can easily get bursted down as with all things the condi burst is a strong one..

I’m leaning towards the useless part, which means we will have to find a new build, which will make the tempest probably useless on the long run.

Since they are buffing an allready overpowered necro, il be switching to playing them instead of my main tempest in pvp.

Was nice till it lasted right guys?: )

So your seriously buffing necros? Can we at least pretend that people play outside of the pro matches?
Those people, you know… like me, who play ranked and normal and have seen what necro’s do when player is even remotly skilled would rather not see necro buffed.

To phrase it in another way, im not sure where your going with your buff yet, but the minnion necro is allready op and can easily fight 1v2+, if your buffing it make sure to substract somewhere else, because its just ridiculous and laughable how he can shake off 2+ players on a point with the amount of toughness he has, the minnions he can hold alive and the damage he can sustain on a player attacking him.

Oh yeah, lets not forget the shroud..

Necro getting BUFFED?! Is anyone even paying attention to matches where 90% of other people play? Where necro can easily 1v2+?

Especialy with minnions?!

COME ON ANET wtf, you will only make the toughness minnion build even more stronger with this, i have no words for you, seriously.. It’s allready next to unkillable..

Finished my wintersday presence, since i do have a wife and a kid, i ended up spending 300g to buy the last 3-4k i needed, mind you that was WITH help of 2 of my friends who sent me their daily presents they got from Karma.

Also i was extremly dissapointed that the item does not work with my Crystal Nomad outfit which is the WHOLE point i was going for it…

Also make it a special slot so i don’t have to take off a PART OF MY GEAR in order to look nice…

Poorly thought out Anet, poorly thought out….

I do hope Anet asks pro players first about the DS trait change, since newbies and players who are having a hard time around it probably lack some skill to do so, its not really hard to bring down 10% of a players hp before you nuke him with conditions.

Though i can imagine how it is for players who smash all the buttons as soon as target enters range and think they have won that fight.

Luckily pvp especialy with a team is more deeper than that, i just hope people will realize it

The game is not balanced around 1v1, ele’s build which use diamond skin is usualy celestial support build, which is centered around beeing alive, not sure why you can’t do a few attacks to drop his health by 10% down before you pump him full of conditions.

I play alot of matches with ele, its actualy pretty funny to see a condi necro who goes for an Ele, not sure why they do that when there are 4 OTHER targets in the game, he can and should just leave ele for someone else to handle.

I mean it IS A TEAM GAME after all, if you could win 1v1 vs anyone then everyone would cry about something else.

Flavor of the month ftw

#elefotmftw

+1 for positive ideas and well thought out bags

Please allow for an OPTION to increase the visuals back to their previous state so that i can enjoy them in smaller groups and turn them down when im going to boss fights.

I came to play GW2 initialy because it looked gorgeous, nowadays when i cast some spells it just feels like meh… :/

nekretaal.6485:

3850 karma (+1 snowflake) for 10 gifts.

where can i get this? The wintersday vendor sells 1 gift for this price

Iv’e been playing tempest pvp since it came out along with my DH, the Auramancer build mentioned above..
Its a great build, i used dagger+warhorn and it works wonders if you use earth+water to support, thats about where it stops. Since im mostly used to solo 1v1 with my dh i get into crazy 1v1’s which i can’t win.
There is no class you will beat, you will lose to any other class if you engage in a fight with them, your cooldowns will lock you in and after a while you will start loosing your health. Once you do, you start taking on conditions il let you figure out later how it affects you.

Not to say the build is bad, i do consider it awsome, it really shines as a true support build.
For instance if your around any class that can take slightly longer periods of beating like Rev or DH, if you keep supporting them through heals and auras, you can easily win 2v3 matchup if he deals a fair enough of dmg (only rev in this case).

You should not be anywhere solo for instance, though its funny…

This build is epicly op for keeping your boss alive in stronghold, if you know how to keep yourself alive, you can heal the boss while hes killing enemy players.

When i play my tempest and stronghold after the doors are down i am usualy on guard duty all the time, you can easily shrug off 4 players if you stay alive while boss is killing them. Just heal the boss and give him auras, provide CC to enemy and run around so you don’t take much dmg from them while boss kills them, its not easy but its epic : )

It would be ideal if they could split the solo que players and make them only optable into a matchmaking where you can meet up with premades. It would solve to many issues.
I play around 7-10 matches a day, most of the games in solo q i play against premade teams, its especialy frustrating when you lose vs a guy with a Dragon finisher.

But hey people are exploiting what Anet left to exploit, matchmaking of lower MMR players with high MMR players, basically boosting them for free.

Did i mention they were 4+1 premades vs us 5 solo quers?

Wait so, the only logical reason i can deduce here is, if i want to roflstomp through ranks all i need is 4 other people willing to play with me on teamspeak and we will just steamroll through ranks since it will que us against mostly soloquers.

Epic matchmaking

indeed, id have to agree here, i also got matched up with soloqers against a 5man guild team in ranked game… which was demoralizing to say the least

They had 3 necroes which are usualy hard to kill, i think we got like 80 points in stronghold, but we couldn’t do anything even after trying to organize and go together..
Makes me not want to play pvp.. and i play it usualy an hour or two a day.. :/

I just played Hearts and Minds story, since i main Sylvari and am pretty slow at the story and progress it took me a while
Anyhow since i main sylvari i took Canach and Caithe with me, Rytlock’s comment brought me to tears from laughing, Thank you for this gem haha

There is no point in nerfing or buffing us, people learned how to actualy dodge our traps, well, at least those that made the effort into learning how to dodge…

Since everyone is talking about strengths, usualy people who die to traps and don’t know how to dodge them. Or people new to pvp, or people who don’t know how to play their class.. the list may go on

Low mobility with traps
- the only skill we have to disengage is the wings of resolve, every 30seconds…
- trait push can be added here i guess but its every 10seconds and usualy not enough to remove a sticky target from you, thats why we can easily die to facemelting warriors..

Bow
- applies no conditions on its attacks like most other classes have on their autoattacks
-we only get burn every 5 attacks, which in all honestly against someone whos skilled you usualy won’t land. Even when it does land is horribly short and the damage is low since most Trap dh’s don’t run condi since there is no point.

Traps can be dodged
- Most people simply dodge your 3 traps since its quite easy to get out of them. The Maw is the only trap anyone ever dies to in combination with your other traps and AutoAttacks, thats why everyone is complaining. Maw is available once every 60seconds when traited and its really the only way we DH get kills on our own 1v1, if we don’t have it its hard to win unless we can keep you on the traps.

So once we get nerfed it will only impact us DH players in an epicly negative way, Trap LB guard will go to the trash as it won’t be worth playing over the old medi guard build, like other builds are not viable we will again get a single competitive build which we have been playing for over a year now, i dont really want that……..

Its cool tho, after us DH players get nerfed, next FOTM will be necro, after he gets nerfed, Rev, after that Druid etkittenil we all only fight with 2 skills, auto attack and defend

If your going into pvp with “limited” stability or stun break options you really should stick to pve, skill sets are based around pve and pvp, you can’t really use pve dmg dealing skills in pvp, at least not without sacrificing something else, like utility or stability options.

Id just like to add +1