Guild Wars 2

Evan Lesh.3295:

Locuz.2651:

Evan Lesh.3295:

If we used a different mmr, we could start fresh (bad matches for a while) or copy over the current ranked mmr and let it deviate from there.

In all honesty…what do you think?

Ofcourse current MMR and let it deviate from there.

If players have inaccurate league mmr, then we’d copy a bad value. I personally prefer to have a single rating because the more ratings we have, the less accurate they all become because of split playtime. Ideally players should have relatively the same mmr on and off-season, but that is dependent on the styles of matchmaking.

You can still have a single rating. Disabling ranked right now doesn’t do anything except make a majority of the people I know want to play less.

Normally when disabling ranked for the off-season you can have a pre-season where you test things that don’t affect your MMR necessarily because it’ll go into some sort of reset next season anyway. I don’t think you guys necessarily do this, so that doesn’t really apply.

The other thing is the end of season rewards aren’t big enough in my opinion to warrant ending the season anyway. I’m not saying you don’t have an off-season here. I’m saying you could try experimental things and still have ranked up without it affecting people’s placement or MMR until the next season begins or just have a pre-season.

Dustin.2793:

I respect the hustle though lmao

i agree with my dad here

Female Gaming Squad got 1st place on the Leaderboards in Season 1. Kappa

Evan Lesh.3295:

What about Ranked do you enjoy more than Unranked during off-season?

Is it that you prefer climbing a ladder all the time? Or are there other particular reasons.

Haha hello Evan.

I didn’t think this thread would get that much traction. Didn’t mean to leave you hanging mang.

I think the main takeaway is unranked’s algorithm…whatever it is, spreads out the “better” or “higher mmr” players per team rather than stacking them all on one team like ranked does. However, ranked has the added benefit of the climb, people take it more seriously, and usually late in the season people are usually where they belong skill-wise.

It’s also a lot easier to play with 10 people in your skill bracket and test things to see how the meta is without having to be on a team or scrim etc. The quality of the players are higher even if the distribution of the teams aren’t as balanced as unranked.

That’s the main thing for me. Unranked could have 1 or 2 good players on a team and 3 sporadic random MMR players while ranked late in the season evens out everyone’s skill level for the most part. So, you’ll have 10 players that you can play against and winning and losing seems to be more in your control than not.

Also, this is more towards feedback, but I think resets shouldn’t reset people’s ranks back to Amber every season if it’ll be such a short season. I think there should be something like 5 placement matches and the system places you anywhere it thinks you belong (not Legendary) at the start.

I also think win streaking and getting +1 pip every time is a bit much, maybe winning 3 in a row gains you 1 additional pip, but not after ever 3rd win. It should be like 3, 6, 9, 12 etc. will you net you 1 additional pip.

Also, I feel like people should be able to be demoted out of Divisions starting from Ruby back down to Sapphire, Legend 1 to Diamond etc. but that could be a bit much. The other suggestions are probably more important imo.

I think once you have good, competitive, fun matches for the most part then the end of season rewards can be put into perspective. As of now disabling ranked Qs isn’t doing anything significant in terms of end of season rewards because most everyone is getting the same thing. It’s not like I’m hype about my 5 gold and eggplants for being Legend.

Anet pls

foogison.5067:

Zoose,

I love how your only listed “C-Tier” Class is Warrior lmao

Got a good laugh out of that one

It’s 2012 all over again

Dristig.9678:

Is this backwards?

– Dazes wreck your life which is why Thief counters Druid

It isn’t. Thieves have near instant cast time dazes whereas druids have cast time for a lot of their important spells.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

That C- tier
rip
Must try even harder.

Must…become…viable!

@Stickerhappy, not necessarily, only a few of them I think, but we’ll need to really put in some work to design some things that will actually look neat with the colors + logo.

Also, thanks everyone for the positive feedback. I’m glad it helps.

StickerHappy.8052:

Zoose.1640:

Hey friends. I spent a good bit of time writing this 4 part guide, and I might expand further into a video possibly, but for now this guide can be read by anyone playing any class at any level in the game.

Just thought I’d try to put content out there to help all the PvP lovers of GW2!

https://teampz.com/guides

Thanks for reading and share with anyone you might know it’ll help!

Why are you merch super freaking expensive?

Because we’re just starting and Redbubble charges too much T_T, we’ll work on it dw

skcamow.3527:

Thanks Yung one!

Thanks pal

Hey friends. I spent a good bit of time writing this 4 part guide, and I might expand further into a video possibly, but for now this guide can be read by anyone playing any class at any level in the game.

Just thought I’d try to put content out there to help all the PvP lovers of GW2!

https://teampz.com/guides

Thanks for reading and share with anyone you might know it’ll help!

I feel your struggles bro because I’m in the same boat haha.

It’s especially unfortunate because I’d love to stream, but I don’t want people waiting 30+ minutes for me to idle in the mists.

The solution that I do is just take a break and duel people or practice other things and scrim other teams, but I understand solo Qers don’t always have the option to do these things, so it’s unfortunate.

I’m triggered I wasn’t invited to this party. Kappa

Since the season is so short they should just implement placement matches and have it go from there. Last season for me was actually good towards the end because it did weed out a lot of players and I was already Legend x6, so most of my matches were quality matches.

I was talking on stream today about how discouraging it would be for a new player and also as to how easy it is to obtain Legendary even for fairly above average players, so why not just speed your process up by having placement matches instead of having good players grind and force lesser players to lose constantly vs that.

Sounds interesting. Can we get a soft reset of MMR coming into Season 2?

I wouldn’t worry too much about it, and just focus on doing the best you can for yourself.

A couple of my teammates are having this issue and they are from both coasts of the states.

Has anyone found a workaround?

Shoutouts to Ozie’s dog for the real MVP

I’m enjoying this discussion. gets popcorn om nom nom nom

Wilco.1458:

I agree with a lot of this and I think the whole video is a perfect analysis of what’s going on in PvP right now. However if you want to attack double on-swap (or double sigils of same type) it’s bad design to have them work diminishingly, I’d rather have them removed all together. Like pre-powercreep-patch, you can use one and that’s it.

Also air/fire is the only reason S/D thief is a thing right now, something you might have overlooked.

I hope the main ideas go through (lower stats on cele, lower swap sigils). I’d also like to see something done about boon duration too, but that’s more complicated to balance I think.

Also @Chaith I know you get a little wet when you see an amulet with the exact 5 stats you want on your engineer, but those perfect amulets take a lot of the decision making away from the game and frankly make it too trivial.

If you go back to the way thieves were before air/fire stack it would just be air/force or air/accuracy again.

The reason that S/D thieves are a thing is because of being able to freely traverse the map in conquest with the highest mobility as well as having the ability to evade and port a ridiculous amount of times. Their core issues have been in the acrobatics tree as well as the weapon set itself for quite some time now. Air/Fire only enhanced the faster you die to them. And air is where the real damage is at, fire is just there as a placeholder because it’s better than anything else an S/D thief could use (Force/Accuracy examples).

It’s also a nice plus that S/D thief pretty much dumps on any viable mesmer build.

Thanks for the input. I would like for the main core components to go through as well because regardless of the finer details, I think that’s what will address core issues between what’s being dominated in the meta currently without destroying those builds/classes completely.

Lopez.7369:

Adding a diminishing return on different on-swap sigils is a bad idea. It’s unintuitive and punishes classes that don’t really need that kind of nerf.

What classes are those and why?

Chaith.8256:

Zoose.1640:

I can always count on you to be the forum warrior we need, Chaith.

Lmao, thanks. I think.

Yeah it’s mostly a good thing. I was talking to Phanta yesterday, and he just said that you’re like the forum god ready to smite any keyboard warriors or something like that. And I just said you’re like batman lurking and ready to vindicate some forum warriors.

I just thought it was funny lol

Chaith.8256:

message was over 5001 characters

I can always count on you to be the forum warrior we need, Chaith.

Yeah it would be nice to be able to have the diminishing returns effect in to play because you could potentially make some cool niche builds off that without having to be limited in sigils, but I get that.

After thinking more about it though I think it’d be best if poison effect wasn’t reduced by % but rather the duration or poison damage was lowered instead. That seems to make more sense.

However, if they aren’t going to go the route of diminishing returns then going back to the way sigils worked before with ICD (internal cooldown) between weapon swap sigils would be excellent as well.

And yeah, I do understand that engineers are best when being the offensive roamer as opposed to being the defensive node defender, but there’s still the option of standing on point for a little while at least to relieve pressure off your primary node defenders. Too much to talk about in the video I just didn’t want it to go on forever.

That amulet looks interesting.

Thanks for the input boyz.

Phantaram.4816:

BAM. I showed up Zoose. Looks like you put a lot of work into this video. Well done sir.

OH NOOOO Phanta I forgot to say you suck so you’d bump the video still. You suck :^)

Also that change could be good to intelligence sigil…trying to think how that can get abused though xd

http://youtu.be/TjfOvMwt5vg

You can skip to the last 5 minutes for a recap of everything although the explanations throughout the videos as to how those conclusions came to be are rather important.

Happy Holidays!

Feel free to share and discuss.

Supreme.7352:

The Gates Assassin.9827:

Chaith.8256:

Question to people that hate the Cele bruiser meta. Why? Can anyone please articulate their thoughts on the toxicity of Cele bruisers for the enjoyment of the game.

I didn’t read the rest of this post, but screw it. Here’s my reasons why I hate this meta:

1. It Minimalizes Working Builds – No one plays bunker guardian. Why? Did it get weaker? No. We just gained the ability to have builds that work in pretty much every situation. The teamwork factor that comes with proper rotations is gone. It’s just about matching numbers and being a better cele. There are no “jobs” anymore. I don’t make a build with the intend of a single goal like bursting, support or bunkering, I make a build with the intent of being able to do everything.
2. Certain aspects of play are gone – Rotating the right stuff to the right place has turned into just matching numbers. Watching out for bursts is pretty much gone. It’s just outsustain right now. You might go for a focus fire, but that’s not really the same thing. Stomps are also pretty rare now, especially in team fights. No bunker guardian made it so players are pretty much only going for DPS outs, even against things like warriors! DPSing out a target isn’t really that interesting to me. The play of trying to maintain DPS so you can get a stomp off is a lot more interesting.
3. Mobility isn’t a counter – These comps play on all three points. They’re pretty kitten fast too unless you’re taking a necromancer. Thief, ele and engi are all really fast.
4. They’re really hard to duel against – It’s not about getting a good burst off, it’s about getting multiple bursts off while not letting them even get one. If I want to kill a cele engi on power nades, I’ve found that I need anywhere from 2-4 really good bursts to get them down. In a row. They really only need to maintain pressure via burning and occasionally get a few hits in.
5. It DOES take less skill – Is the skill ceiling still high? Yes. There are a lot of things you can do with cele engi and ele to make yourself the best in the world. But the punishment for kittening those things up is WAY lower than most builds. On burst builds, kittening up, having bad positioning or focusing the wrong guy could equal death. Don’t even get me started on 100 mines and other like yolo builds.
6. Burning On Cele is Dumb – This goes a bit beyond cele, but I think it’s a big reason why it works. Engineer has incendiary powder which is really hard to avoid. Ele has drake’s breath which requires two dodges to fully avoid and burns you for eternity (12s on a 6s recharge). Combustive Shot burns everyone. If you miss with this, uninstall GW2.
7. Sustain is really hard to stop – For warrior, it’s healing signet which they never use and traits that regen them. For engineer, it’s a 1/2 cast time skill, backpack regenerator and transmute. For ele, it’s a dodge in water, small healing on all casts, regeneration and two skills you can actually interrupt. The only real good counter is poison, but they remove it so much that you need a crazy amount of poison to do it!
8. Games going to Timer – Because there’s three decaps almost all the time, it’s boring to play and watch. I vastly prefer the super active fights where doing something wrong can spell death, not a slight loss in health. I want people to be making PLAYS, not just trying to stall the game/fights. “OH SNAP HE JUST GOT THE BURST OFF AND HE GOES DOWN” instead of “OH SNAP HE JUST GOT THE BURST OFF AND I THINK IF HE CAN GET LIKE 4 MORE IN THE NEXT 10 SECONDS WE MIGHT SEE SOMEONE DIE”.
9. In the ideal game, every build is equally viable – Cele is a meta right now. People want to play their style of builds and not be worse off for it.
   
   The concept of a build being able to do everything is broken. It’s called “Holes in Roles”. There are no decently enough sized holes in these builds.

Reposting for posterity

Woo, what a post of beauty.

Dustin.2793:

Booms.2594:

Dustin.2793:

Just to be fair, the original abjured comp utilized 2 celestial amulets. Rabid engi, d/p thief, carrion necro, celestal elex2. After 2 member couldn’t attend WTS, the abjured then replaced two players. After replacing 2 players the Abjured still beat every team in the world with substitutes. The roster was then changed following the WTS. Now, yes it had 3 celestial amulets. Did good fights dominate the NA scene before WTS? Yes. Before Celestial amulet was even introduced! The abjured comp is now 3/5 previous Good Fights. TBH as a berserker amulet i can 1v1 any “celestial amulet” player in this game and atleast go 50/50 win percentage. From a world champion I would advise you to rethink your team composition and tighten up on your rotations before blaming everything on a “amulet”. Also look at your individual player skill, and ask yourself do you honestly believe you can go toe to toe with players such as the Abjured and Absurd.
Now, do I believe celestial could have a few percentages shaved off the total stats? Yes. Does it need to be totally deleted? No. I believe hybrid builds should exist, although they shouldn’t be the most powerful in any stat. They should utilize defensive and offensive tactics in order to be successful. Which I believe they do well now, but could use just a little toning down(not much since I can beat them as a zerker amulet.)
~Magic Toker

also to be fair, when GF dominated there was no competition whatsoever

Well there still isn’t any competition, your point? Sorry big boy, keep streaming your 400 pound dps guard play that no one watches.

YO TOKER YOU’RE TRASH THO Kappa :^)

Ostricheggs.3742:

Zoose.1640:

Ostricheggs.3742:

thanks boiz.

I truly believe that the only way this game is going big is to involve the Chinese in what we do. I want to help.

I feel bad to ask this of people uninvolved, but I’ve been busy since touchdown from beijing and I still have a ton to do, especially after getting kicked from my old team :P

Very true, and it’s nice that you’re taking the initiative.

Now is the time zoose, spread the word…

I’m goin esports.

I think you’ve been esports for like a grandpa amount of time now OE

Ostricheggs.3742:

thanks boiz.

I truly believe that the only way this game is going big is to involve the Chinese in what we do. I want to help.

I feel bad to ask this of people uninvolved, but I’ve been busy since touchdown from beijing and I still have a ton to do, especially after getting kicked from my old team :P

Very true, and it’s nice that you’re taking the initiative.

That comment was glad that NA won. Im from NA. This is part of the reason why I dont use official forums…lol.

Great matches
Horrible stream quality and technical difficulties
AMERICA
UNITED STATES OF CELESTIAL
ETC.

Congrats to Abjured

yo this is esports

MarkPhilips.5169:

Short version

Swap profs before match starts (2 min.) = good
Swap profs during the match = bad
Punish leavers who leave the match = good
1 sec. Dc (and people can come back fast) = -3 ladder points + dishonor buff always = very bad

oo nice buttocks.

Ah I see, so the opinion is mostly the same as spvp haha except it’s seen even less because of the lack of AoE. If Fiery Greatsword is up it could be really troll with 3+4 on very low CDs for mobility, but I think definitely without FGS the mobility is pretty bad, but yeah.

Thanks boiz

I don’t GvG very often, but I did a few yesterday and a few people told me that scepter isn’t necessarily very popular even in 15v15 GvGs.

Is there a reason to that or do pick comps normally never encompass eles? Do guilds lack a sufficient amount of ele players to allocate some to staff, d/d, and scepter? Just wondering how that works because it seemed interesting.

For anyone interested, here’s some gameplay from yesterday:

[IX] vs [TIE]
http://youtu.be/CEVq05xBfH4

[IX] vs [OnS]
http://youtu.be/mTEIfRtGJ7I

Anyone interested in having an Ele in their wvw guild on BG? :O

Reevz.2617:

if whoever ddos’d read this thread i hate you for ddosing kaypud and oe and java because 4v4’s as a thief/mesmer are awful

gl in china abj m8eys
oe play rifle imo, i know its not as fun but i think it’s overall just better

i’ll set up some scrims in a week or so if you guys want to practice for china

I agree with this. NA the dream!

Anyway, there should probably be two things happening for future WTS.

1) Implement a way to pause the game
2) Have all players protect their IPs. Even the biggest games like league of legends have rampant DDOSers in the challenger scene, so it’s not anything new.

GGs gl in china

You’re awesome Sam

Oh noooo I met J Sharp, and I can tell you he’s a really chill guy. We even had a few drinks and chatted about some nice things. He will be missed as personality, and a dev. GOOD LUCK M8

lmao what a beautiful story. i r8 it 8/8 m8

You’re a nice guy Aeroxe. Hope to see you around more, and yeah play the game for fun m8.

Muffins.1835:

Dude this guide changed my life twice. 10/10 would read a 3rd time.

69/69 im gonna have to agree with you there m8

69/69 m8

even my mesmer is now halfway-decent because of supcutie _

I was on BG before. Idk what ERP is, but the reason I want to xfer is the WvW guild I’d like to join is on BG.

I hear there are like “blackout” times where people log out, so other people can xfer to blackgate. Can someone confirm?

It’s really hard to transfer to Blackgate xD

Thank you for the appreciation Rampage. Alright that’s unfortunate that GvG isnt a thing as much anymore here. Thanks for the replies

Hell0. I’m mostly an spvper, but sometimes I enjoy doing GvG. I’m currently on Maaguma, and I don’t keep up with a lot of the WvW stuff. Are all the good GvG guilds on this server or are they somewhere else?

I’m interested in joining one :P

Thanks!

If you disabled standard models apparently it won’t crash. I didn’t crash once today for like 2 hours

Simon.3794:

is that just a graphic bug, or you were really invisible

I have no idea. I just thought it was funny